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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-23 - vote
Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:08:30 -0700
Resent-From: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:12:02 -0700
From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Reply-To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
References: <3.0.5.32.20000727015312.009f5490@mail.chattanooga.net>

At 03:36 PM 7/27/00 -0500, you wrote:
<snip>

>Joy did you know that Linda Lewis was going to submit the application for
>ownership of the name "USGenWeb Archives."

I knew she was going to register the service mark - I'm not sure if that
means she "owns" it. I think I tried to talk her out of it, but cannot find
anywhere in my e-mail cache where it was mentioned.

>Joy did you agree to be have your name submitted on the TM application?

Not that I am aware of -- I have been going over my old e-mail messages and
cannot find anything. I never signed anything, had anything notarized, nor
had any U. S. Mail contact about it.

<snip>

>Tim Stowell wrote:
> >
> > The motion made by Virginia and seconded by Jim:
> >
> > "I hereby move that The USGenWeb Advisory
> > Board find Board members Barbara Yancey Dore, Maggie Zimmerman and Joy
> > Fisher, as well as Archives Project Coordinator Linda Lewis not members
in
> > good standing in the USGenWeb Project."

Please note that this motion does not spell out what the charges against
any of us are nor does it spell out how the parties named can be
re-instated.  When I was on vacation, my daughter was downloading my
e-mail. The first I knew about any of this was this motion. I did not see
any of the previous uproar, as it was on my home computer's hard drive and
I was 850 miles away.
When I asked, Ms. Cisewski replied that she made the motion for the
enjoyment of others <sigh>. I am glad to know I am so entertaining.
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NOTE:  Last sentence is a blatant lie...
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-23 - vote
Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:02:15 -0700
Resent-From: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:01:04 -0500
From: "RootsLady" <RootsLady@email.msn.com>
Reply-To: "RootsLady" <RootsLady@email.msn.com>
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
References: <3.0.5.32.20000727015312.009f5490@mail.chattanooga.net>
<39809D34.AD070CCA@wf.net>

Richard,

> Barbara did you know that Linda Lewis was going to submit the application
> for ownership of the name "USGenWeb Archives."

In a conversation Linda and I had on IRC she said would like to protect the
service mark of the USGenWeb Archives. I offered to help with the funding.

> Barbara did you agree to be have your name submitted on the TM
application?

She asked me how I signed my name if she needed it.  I told her.

She never told me she filed and I had no knowledge of her doing so until a
few days ago. She has not asked me for any funds to date and I have seen no
hard copy of the application.

I don't recall ever speaking to either Joy or Maggie about this subject
prior to, nor since, that night. My conversation was with Linda.

RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard's <RichPump@wf.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:36 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 00-23 - vote

<snip>

Maggie did you know that Linda Lewis was going to submit the application
for ownership of the name "USGenWeb Archives."
***I knew that Linda was going to submit an application to register the
name
the "USGenWeb Archives" as a trademark to protect it.  I did offer to help
her in the funding.  On a side note:  I don't believe that "ownership" is
the
proper word.

Maggie did you agree to be have your name submitted on the TM application?
***Linda asked how I signed my name but I had no knowledge of my name
being on the application until I saw it just recently.

<snip>
----------------------------------------------------
Subj:  Proposed Executive Session
Date: 08/14/2000 2:15:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
To: FEATHER2s@aol.com

Virginia,

I'm calling an Executive Session of the Board to discuss a couple of core
issues regarding the Project.  Enough talk and bashing have gone on in
public with truth, lies and enough innuendo to go around.

Therefore, I'd like your permission to re-sub you to the Exec list for this
purpose and this purpose only.

Of course, all items discussed there will be kept there and should not be
mentioned even in topic to outsiders of the list.

After hearing back from Jim and yourself, I'll take appropriate actions to
get you subbed and begin the discussion.  This note too is privileged and
private communication.

Thanks,
Tim
---------------------------------------------
Subj:  [Board-Exec] Opening remarks
Date: 08/15/2000 5:29:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

First of all there will be 2 topics of discussion here, for this session.
These will be presented one at a time.

Virginia has joined this list for this express purpose, so please don't
stray onto other topics.  Jim has declined to join the list.  Therefore I
ask that no messages, content or topic leave this list for other
destinations without the approval of the other members.

After each topic is presented, let's let everyone give their thoughts on
the subject before cross examining each other's remarks.  Please respect
each other for their opinions whether or not you agree with them.  Please
try to make your case without derogatory comments of other persons.

My purpose here will be to present the topic, keep order (if needed),
request a decision.

Tim
---------------------------
Subj:  [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 5:44:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Topic 1:

   Discussion is called for regarding the Trademark request made by Linda
Lewis of the USGenWeb Project Archives for the name USGenWeb Project
Archives to the Trademark Office.
   Regardless of your personal feelings towards Linda Lewis, what is the
best course of response by the Board regarding this?
   Shall the Board direct the NC to convey to the Trademark Office a
request that the Trademark Office not honor the request by Linda Lewis
under the name USGenWeb Project Archives?
   Shall the NC be directed to further convey to the Trademark Office that
use of such name, as outlined in our Bylaws, has prior use by our group?
How do you define prior or first use?
   Should the Board, let Linda Lewis instead turn over the Trademark to the
USGenWeb Project, if/when she receives said Trademark?
   Should the Board, instead seek official Trademark status for the
USGenWeb Project which may/may not cover all sub-projects?

   Please think of any/all these issues long-term.  Do not think of them
short term but more along the lines - how can we constructively go from
here with the least grief, with the best justice to all concerned?

   Please give each member time to speak his/her piece before jumping on
what someone else has said.  If you have info to introduce here regarding
this situation please feel free to do so.

   I will, if asked, present some info I have concerning this.

Thanks,

Tim
----------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 6:17:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: richpump@wf.net (ILGenWeb State Coordinator)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com



Tim I do not understand why we are discussing this again. It seems that
the majority of the AB have no interest in the subject. Most seem to
think that what Linda did was ok. If by some chance we did convince
enough that Linda shouldn't have TM without AB permission, We have no
power to do anything more than protest her using the name USGenWeb in
her origination name.

I do believe that we have to send a letter of protest.  We need to at
least try to unofficially lay claim to our own name. That or get the
heck out town.
Richard...
----------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 7:45:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: jzsed@slic.com (Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny)
Reply-to: jzsed@slic.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Here is what bothers me about allowing Linda's filing to go
unchallenged. A few days ago I sent a message to the PTO with
this question. Suppose I attempt to file on the TM ABC. And
suppose someone already owns the TM for the ABC Biscuit Co. Would
my filing for ABC be approved. The answer was it would be
determined by the reviewing attorney. Now if they couldn't give
me a straight out answer what would happen if Linda gets a TM for
USGenWeb Archives and we file for USGenWeb? Would we get it? I am
not an attorney but common sense tells me that we would not
because if we did we could challenge an already issued TM.

Therefore, I believe that a letter of protest should be sent to
the PTO.

We should file for USGenweb but not until the PTO rules on
Linda's filing. To do so now might result in both filings being
thrown out until a court could rule on the filings, something we
can not afford to pursue.

Joe
---------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 7:46:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: jfisher@ucla.edu (Joy Fisher)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Tim:

I have been thinking a lot about this since I got back from vacation.

I don't have time right now to look into the "how- to" part of this right
now. School starts in 2 weeks and I need to install some very specialized
software on about 40 computers and run a complete suite of sample programs,
example problems, homework problems, and exam problems before school
starts. However -- this is what I propose to do:

If the service mark application is approved, I plan to assign my rights
(what ever they are) over to the AB member at-large -- not a named person,
but the position. I plan to do this unilaterally and without reservations.
If Maggie and Barbara will do the same by assigning over their rights to
other AB and/ or NC positions, we would accomplish two things:

1. It would settle for once and for all "who owns the Archives". Answer --
we all do with the AB as signatories.

2. It would guarantee the AB the right to service mark/trade mark the name
"USGenWeb" since they already own the USGenWeb Archives service mark/trade
mark.
------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 8:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: TVick65536@aol.com
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

My thoughts..

A trademark by definition is "a device (as a word) pointing distinctly
to the origin or ownership of merchandise to which it is applied and
legally reserved to the exclusive use of the owner as maker or
seller".

In this case, the word is the "USGenWeb Project".

Now the bylaws state..

"ARTICLE I. NAME The name of this organization shall be "The USGenWeb
Project." The name, "The USGenWeb Project," and "The XXGenWeb Project"
(where XX is the two-letter postal code abbreviation for each state)
are service marks and reserved exclusively for The USGenWeb Project
and any websites representing The USGenWeb Project."

"ARTICLE XIII. SPECIAL PROJECTS Section 2. The name of the special
project shall be The USGenWeb ______ Project."

A service mark by definition is "a mark or device used to identify a
service . . . offered to customers."

I would be interested, if any of you, could differentiate for me
between a trademark, and a service mark.

Together, our State, County, and Archive Pages/Projects provides *the*
service to our visitors. I believe, that all projects associated with
the USGenWeb Project should be included within this service mark.

That is the question at issue here. Are we one group or individual
entities?  I contend one group, therefore one entity.

So Tim, to answer your question.. Should the Board, instead seek
official Trademark status for the USGenWeb Project which may/may not
cover all sub-projects?  The answer is yes, with the condition, that it
includes *all* sub-projects associated now, or in the future, with the
USGenWeb Project.

Tina
------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/15/2000 11:51:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

There was an error in Richard's subscription, now fixed for this list.

>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:15:21 -0700
>From: Richard Harrison <ArtDept@Compuserve.com>
>To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
>
>IF Linda Lewis agrees IN WRITING to turn over all rights to to the
>trademark to The USGenWeb Project there would be no reason to object her
>application. In fact, in that case we would want to support it.
>
>IF she DECLINES to provide a reasonable guaranty that she will deliver
>these rights to The USGenWeb Project it would be appropriate to object
>to her application.
>
>"Should the Board, instead seek official Trademark status for the
>USGenWeb Project which may/may not cover all sub-projects?" What reason
>do we have for believing all sub-projects would be covered? Do we need
>professional advice before charging ahead?
>
>If we move ahead to obtain Trademark status, we should solicit USGenWeb
>members for $20 donations to cover the costs rather than accepting a
>donation from one person.
>
>-Isaiah
>
------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 8:44:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: gbmayfield@tyler.net (Gloria B. Mayfield)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

If the Archives IS a part of the USGenWeb, then I believe that the TM
should be filed by the AB.
If the Archives IS NOT part of the USGenWeb, then the TM should be filed
by the Archives.

I believe that the Archives are a part of the USGenWeb Project and the
USGenWeb Project AB should  file for the TM.  The Simple thing is to
Protest now and not leave things to chance.  Why should we create more
problems?  Once the TM has been approved by whomever, we live with the
consequences.    Gloria
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 9:36:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: richpump@wf.net (ILGenWeb State Coordinator)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com



"Gloria B. Mayfield" wrote:
>
> If the Archives IS a part of the USGenWeb, then I believe that the TM
> should be filed by the AB.
> If the Archives IS NOT part of the USGenWeb, then the TM should be filed
> by the Archives.

Gloria I could agree with this statement except that IF the Archives IS
NOT part of the USGenWeb, then USGenWeb SHOULD NOT have been part of the
name being TM by Linda. If Linda's archives are not owned by USGenweb
Members. Then she has deceived the people who have contributed info
thinking they were contributed to USGenWeb. Just the same as Ron Eason's
Census Project.
Richard...
------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 10:38:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: jfisher@ucla.edu (Joy Fisher)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

The Archives are part and parcel of USGenWeb -- and have been almost since
the beginning - in spite of its detractors who continually float the rumor
that "Linda Lewis is going to sell the Archives or Linda Lewis owns the
Archives"

What we need to determine is:

1. Is the service mark in the best interest of USGenWeb?

2. If so, whose name(s) should it be registered in?

We should be able to handle this in-house. Sending a protest letter to the
PTO is going to make us look silly in the eyes of the PTO's attorneys. I am
sure there are those among our USGenWeb ranks who have already filed
protests. These will all have to be resolved before the service mark will
be issued.
------------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 1:33:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: gbmayfield@tyler.net (Gloria B. Mayfield)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Richard, I agree,   Gloria
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 6:51:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: pettit@Adobe.COM (Teri Pettit)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

At 2:44 PM -0700 8/15/00, Tim Stowell wrote:
>Topic 1:
>
>   Discussion is called for regarding the Trademark request made by Linda
>Lewis of the USGenWeb Project Archives for the name USGenWeb Project
>Archives to the Trademark Office.
>   Regardless of your personal feelings towards Linda Lewis, what is the
>best course of response by the Board regarding this?

First off, I do not think this is an appropriate topic for restricting
to Board-Exec.

Even when grievances are involved, all discussion of general policies
and issues related to those grievances are supposed to be discussed
on Board-L. If the Board is deciding whether to do something in the
name of the Project, all project members have the right to hear our
thoughts on the issues. It is them we are speaking for and acting
on behalf of.

You wrote:
>   Please think of any/all these issues long-term.  Do not think of them
>short term but more along the lines - how can we constructively go from
>here with the least grief, with the best justice to all concerned?

Since we are requested to discuss the ISSUES long-term and without
bringing personalities into it, isn't this exactly the kind of general
policy discussion that is supposed to take place on Board-L, even
when the issue originally arose out of a grievance or the action of
an individual?

The use of Board-Exec is only to respect the privacy of individuals
involved. Since there have been a lot of public motions made, discussed,
and voted on regarding Linda's trademark application, there are no
remaining privacy concerns. It's not like anyone doesn't already
know that Linda submitted a trademark application, and that some project
members are concerned about it.

I feel that opinions should not even be ASKED FOR on Board-Exec-L
without FIRST gaining a consensus of the Board as to which list the
topic should be discussed on.

Whenever somebody asks a bunch of questions on Board-Exec-L, it puts
all of us who think the subject is more appropriately discussed on
Board-L in a bind. There is no practical way to move the discussion
without the forbidden act of forwarding the questions.

While I will not be forwarding or copying anyone else's messages
without permission, I reserve the right to repeat the points I am
personally making on this list in any other venue, even using the
same words. This should not be considered as "forwarding Board-Exec
mail", but simply as making the same speech in multiple locations.

>   Shall the Board direct the NC to convey to the Trademark Office a
>request that the Trademark Office not honor the request by Linda Lewis
>under the name USGenWeb Project Archives?

I'm not sure what you're asking here. Is there a request by Linda Lewis
for registering something "under the name USGenWeb Project Archives"?
I thought there was only a request that the mark "USGenWeb Archives"
be registered to Linda Lewis as the "applicant". What do you mean by
"under the name" here? Is it something different than "applicant" or
"trademark/servicemark"?

>   Shall the NC be directed to further convey to the Trademark Office that
>use of such name, as outlined in our Bylaws, has prior use by our group?

Yes, I do think we should inform the Trademark Office of that fact.

>How do you define prior or first use?

The first or previous use in a public context of the same word or
phrase, referring to the same category of goods or services, and
being used to name those goods or services as something provided
by the applicant entity. Both the ByLaws, various email messages
to public lists, and the web pages themselves comprise a public
context.

Of these three, the ByLaws come last. The mark was first used on
the web pages and in email messages, before the ByLaws were written.
But those web pages and email messages used the term as referring
to an activity of the USGenWeb Project, not as an independent
project.

>   Should the Board, let Linda Lewis instead turn over the Trademark
>to the USGenWeb Project, if/when she receives said Trademark?

I would not favor this course, because it puts a document on record
that, on the face of it at least, records the name "Linda Lewis"
as being a "Volunteer Group" organized in Virginia, and which at
the time of the application had the sole right to the service mark.
I don't like making it seem that Linda had the right to "transfer"
a name that in reality has always belonged to the USGenWeb Project.

But I also don't like using the term "protest letter". It suggests
that the Board is angry about the trademark application, which is
not necessarily true.

I would prefer that any communication with the Trademark Office be
presented as a clarification or correction of an error, or even a
request for information, rather than a protest.

Personally, I find the government's application form confusing.
It is very unclear how an association, especially one that has
not officially filed organizing papers in any state, and that
has a name, but no mailing address or phone number, is SUPPOSED
to fill out the form to apply for a trademark!

The form that Teresa posted online at

http://www.radix.net/~merope/gifs/uspto1.jpg

contains a section for "Applicant Information", which contains lines
for ONLY Name, Street Address, Phone, Fax, and E-mail Address. In
particular, nothing about entity type.

Then it contains a section for "Applicant Entity Information", which
contains lines for ONLY "Other Entity Type: Specific Nature
of Entity" and "State/Country Under Which Organized". In particular,
there is no space for "Name" under the Applicant Entity section,
nor any space for the name of a contact individual.

What we have here is a situation where we'd like the Applicant Name
to be either "The USGenWeb Project" or perhaps "The USGenWeb Archives
Project", and the "Nature of Entity" to be "Volunteer Group", but we
as a group don't HAVE a street address, a telephone number, or a fax
number, and we aren't officially organized in any state. (It would
probably be fair to use Board-L@rootsweb.com as the organization's
email address.)

The trademark could be easily applied for in the name of our project if
the form had a space for "Contact Information" (rather than "Applicant
Information") in the case where the Applicant Entity is an association
that does not have a mailing address or phone number registered to the
group. But unfortunately, that isn't the way the form is structured.

One is forced to choose between putting an organization's name in the
Applicant Information/Name field, with some unnamed individual's address
and phone numbers in the other fields, thereby getting the name right
but the address and phone wrong (and no indication of the contact
individual's name), or else putting a contact individual's name
in the Applicant Information/Name field, thereby getting having the
address and phone go with the right name, but having the intended
"Applicant Entity Name" be nowhere on the form at all, and making it
sound like the listed individual is claiming to BE the "volunteer
organization" with the right to the trademark/servicemark, rather
than only a current contact.

Given the form as it stands, it seems natural and reasonable to me
that Linda would fill out the form treating the "Applicant Information"
section as if it were a contact information section, with herself as
the contact. Not accurate, but not nefarious either. (I would have
followed the dictum "when in doubt, ask", but "when in doubt, guess"
is probably a more widely observed strategy.)

It seems to me like first off, either we or Linda should send a letter
to the Trademark Office requesting guidance on the proper way to fill
out the form when the organization which is claiming the sole right
to use the mark has an organization name that has a history of public
use and recognition, but does not have a street address or phone number,
and is not registered in any state.

Also, I would like some information on what the proper procedure is
when an organization contains several named suborganizations within
it. This happens with corporations all the time. Are the servicemarks
supposed to be registered by the parent organization or by the
subsidiaries? I find the declaration on the form that "no other person,
firm, corporation or association has the right to use the mark" hard
to apply to the situation where two "associations", one of which is
currently a part of the other, have the shared right to use the mark.
Am I right in guessing that the organizations need to agree upon
whether, if the bond between the two should be dissolved, which of
them the name should travel with? And that the organization that would
get to keep the name is the one that applies for the trademark?

Which brings me to your final question:

>   Should the Board, instead seek official Trademark status for the
>USGenWeb Project which may/may not cover all sub-projects?

It is my opinion that if the mark contains the word "USGenWeb", it
should definitely stay with The USGenWeb Project. The departing
project should have to change its name to no longer use the word
USGenWeb.

It is more problematic for state projects. KYGenWeb and ALGenWeb and
a few other state organizations existed as independent projects before
USGenWeb was formed, even as an email list, let alone anything that
had a charter or bylaws. Those few state projects definitely have
prior use of their state project names. So it would seem to be hard
for the USGenWeb Project to validly lay claim to those names. Yet our
ByLaws, voted on by the full project membership, declare all names
with that format to be service marks of The USGenWeb Project. Again,
I would like some official advice on what the standard procedure is
in such situations, where one organization originally had use of a
service mark or trademark, but later became part of another group.

-- Teri
--------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 7:56:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: e.j.pack@worldnet.att.net (Ellen Pack)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Hi, Folks -

I realize I will not be allowed to participate in voting for another couple
of weeks, but it is my understanding that we "newbies" have been invited to
participate in the discussions.  Since this particular subject, or at least
its ramifications, is apt to spill over into the new term, I would like to
pose the following questions:

If Zoe Q. Zarfield (who?) had filed for personal ownership of a USGW name,
would the majority reaction have been as favorable, excusable, and
non-inclined to act?

If the AB doesn't formally and publicly notify Linda that her actions are
condemned by the Project, and that she must immediately withdraw her
application, and that failure to do so will result in her immediate and
permanent dismissal from the Project, and that any future actions of this
nature or severity will result in immediate and permanent dismissal....
aren't we allowing all the Zoe Q. Zarfields of the world to file and
proceed with their own applications?

If the AB doesn't file a formal complaint/claim of ownership with the PTO,
doesn't that send the signal to the PTO that the Project does not have a
problem with the application, and in effect encourage the PTO to ok the
application?

If the AB doesn't file a formal complaint with the PTO, and instead depends
on individual members to protest on our behalf, aren't we further
encouraging individuals to take matters in their own hands?

We're either going to protect the Project and its name, for the members, or
we're not.

In this case, it matters not whether or not Linda "owns" the Archvies, as
someone mentioned earlier.  We're not discussing the Archives - we're
discussing our Project name, one of our most valued possessions.  It's
important to make that distinction, and proceed from there.

BTW, I agree with Teri that this discussion is not appropriate for this
private list.  I would not be opposed to moving the discussions to the
Board List.  In the event we did that, I would be happy to re-post this
note.

Ellen
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 8:08:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Another rejected note.

Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:02:40 -0700
From: GingerH <gingerh@shawneelink.com>
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1

Count me as one who doesn't have too much confidence
in handling it in house. I think a letter from the board to
the PTO is in order. I'd rather risk looking a little silly than
having her walk off with exclusive rights to the USGW
name.

As for the question of who the Archives belongs to. Joy
that's something you should take up with Linda. I've never
had any hysteria about her selling the Archives, she has
however, often stated that they are not a part of USGW.
She may not have flat out said it in those exact words but
it's been said. You and I both know how she's done it so
there's not much point in denying it. I forget just what the
comment was on -all and how she replied last year, but it
was in the ownership vein. She felt the need to follow it up
with a private mail to me that I knew she did not really mean
that. Well.....if you don't mean it, don't say it! Pardon my
language but, "If you stir shit long enough then the stink is
going to stick to you".

Contrary to popular belief, I am not anti-Archives, nor do
I "hate" Linda. I am sick of this constant hassle, which the
Archives and Linda always seem to be centered in. It is
not good for the project. I also no longer trust her. I have
had every indication that she is much more concerned with
Linda Lewis and her imagine, and keeping a tight grasp on what
she considers her property, than she is with USGW and
what is good for the project. And no.......no little birdie flew
up to my ear and told me anything or dropped it into my
inbox. I've had a long time to observe and then a little independent
reading of list archives can also be very educational.

This tm thing needs to be stopped now or she needs to go. She
is no better than any other member of this project. This is
supposed to be a cooperative effort.........something which
seems to have fallen by the wayside a long time ago. The census
mess was certainly a prime example, and it was not just Kay's
fault or Ron's fault for that matter, it's always been my experience
 that it takes two to tango and the same number to reach a
compromise. If we're not going to do what's good for the whole
project then just hand the whole blasted thing over to her and
the rest of us can go on and do what we got involved with this
for in the first place.

Ginger
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/16/2000 11:39:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

At 03:43 PM 8/16/00 -0700, Teri Pettit wrote:
<snip>
>First off, I do not think this is an appropriate topic for restricting
>to Board-Exec.

So noted.

>Even when grievances are involved, all discussion of general policies
>and issues related to those grievances are supposed to be discussed
>on Board-L. If the Board is deciding whether to do something in the
>name of the Project, all project members have the right to hear our
>thoughts on the issues. It is them we are speaking for and acting
>on behalf of.

The reason it is being discussed here is so that the Board may come to some
conclusions
without having every word talked to death on the lists as Board members
ideas are
forming, being changed.

Through this medium the Board can come to a general consensus, form
ideas/motions if need be, talk
things through and present some sort of organized look on Board-l.
Otherwise the Board
seems to wander all over the pasture, trying to get things hammered out.

Additonally, if the Board does decide to take some sort of action against
Linda's application,
there's no need to show the Board's hand beforehand.

>You wrote:
>>   Please think of any/all these issues long-term.  Do not think of them
>>short term but more along the lines - how can we constructively go from
>>here with the least grief, with the best justice to all concerned?
>
>Since we are requested to discuss the ISSUES long-term and without
>bringing personalities into it, isn't this exactly the kind of general
>policy discussion that is supposed to take place on Board-L, even
>when the issue originally arose out of a grievance or the action of
>an individual?
>
>The use of Board-Exec is only to respect the privacy of individuals
>involved. Since there have been a lot of public motions made, discussed,
>and voted on regarding Linda's trademark application, there are no
>remaining privacy concerns. It's not like anyone doesn't already
>know that Linda submitted a trademark application, and that some project
>members are concerned about it.
>
>I feel that opinions should not even be ASKED FOR on Board-Exec-L
>without FIRST gaining a consensus of the Board as to which list the
>topic should be discussed on.
>
>Whenever somebody asks a bunch of questions on Board-Exec-L, it puts
>all of us who think the subject is more appropriately discussed on
>Board-L in a bind. There is no practical way to move the discussion
>without the forbidden act of forwarding the questions.
>
>While I will not be forwarding or copying anyone else's messages
>without permission, I reserve the right to repeat the points I am
>personally making on this list in any other venue, even using the
>same words. This should not be considered as "forwarding Board-Exec
>mail", but simply as making the same speech in multiple locations.

I'm sorry but you can not reserve that as your right.  You cannot do so
under Robert's Rules
of Executive Session.  What is said here, stays here.  Should you make a
speech elsewhere
regarding this, you would be in violation of those rules and your fellow
Board members
would have to act accordingly.

You can of course make un-attached comments about subjects elsewhere but
you can not reference where
you are coming from in your comments nor reference any other message sent
here.

Tim
---------------------------------------------
Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/17/2000 12:25:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: FEATHER2s@aol.com
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Hi folks,

First, I have to say I agree with Teri and Ellen.  This is a major issue
which involves all members of the Project and should not be hidden away like
some evil plot.  It most properly belongs on Board-L as this is clearly a
"major issue" as the Bylaws refer to.

Fact:  This Advisory Board is legally, morally and ethically bound to
protect
the assets of The USGenWeb Project.

Fact:  The name "USGenWeb" whether applied by itself or partnered with other
words, is a primary asset of The USGenWeb Project.

My thoughts:

If this Board fails to file a formal protest regarding the attempt to obtain
a service mark of "USGenWeb Archives" then we have failed to protect a major
asset of The USGenWeb Project.

When I was elected to this Board in 1998, my own attorney told me that
because of the "unincorporated not-for-profit" structure of The USGenWeb
Project, in the case of litigation the court would look to each INDIVIDUAL
Board member for payment of damage awards, litigation costs and such.

If we fail to do the legally correct thing about the service mark, we could
well find ourselves involved in this kind of litigation, as I'm sure we can
all think of at least several Project members who would zealously pursue
this
to the very limits of the law, and I have no desire to wreak that kind of
havoc on my personal finances.

In my opinion, the easiest and gentlest way out for all concerned would be
for Linda Lewis to withdraw her application altogether.  Then the Advisory
Board should immediately file for a service mark of "USGenWeb" listing the
applicant/owner as The USGenWeb Project and giving the signatories in their
capacities as Board members.  In that way, it would be clear that it was The
USGenWeb Project seeking to file, and that the signatories were acting in
their capacities as Board members rather than on an individual basis.


Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/17/2000 1:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: RichPump@wf.net (NE/NC Region CC Representative)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Virginia other that the fact that WHERE we are going to discuss this TM
problem is getting more discussion than the problem, I believe you
understand the problem.

Lets get a letter of protest started so we can decide who all wants to
sign it. Richard...
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/17/2000 1:40:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: betsym@1starnet.com (Betsy Mills)
Reply-to: betsym@1starnet.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

I agree with Ginger about the trademark.  However, I do believe it is /was
productive to do this part of the discussion on this list first.  I am
sorry, but it DOES involve a person and I think it would be much better (and
safer legally) for the board to agree here how we would like to proceed and
now to take this to board-l with the majority agreeing.  Isn't it much
better for the membership to see us working together?

I think Ginger's suggestion for asking Linda to withdraw her application and
then proceeding with our filing is the correct thing to do.  If Linda
refuses, then we need to return to this list and determine the disciplinary
actions that we wish to take.  I truly believe if this was how the mess with
Ron Eason had been handled (some private discussion first followed by action
on board-l), we might not be in the mess we are now.

Betsy
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/18/2000 11:52:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: gbmayfield@tyler.net (Gloria B. Mayfield)
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

I agree with Betsy and Ginger.  We do need to ask Linda to withdraw her
application and the AB should file.  If she refuses to do so,  then
further action will have to be taken.  Sad but true.  Gloria
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Subj:  Re: [Board-Exec] Topic 1
Date: 08/18/2000 6:10:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: ArtDept@compuserve.com (Richard Harrison)
Sender: ArtDept@compuserve.com
Reply-to: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com

Tim Stowell wrote:

>
> Topic 1:
>
> ...
>
>    I will, if asked, present some info I have concerning this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim

Tim-
What is the information you have?
-Isaiah
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    From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
    Subject: [Board-Exec] FWIW
    Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:17 -0400


If anyone wants to counter Teresa's attack on RW for account transfer it
seems Tom Ward, KS SC assigns accounts for KS, not Skyways. Since
Teresa's counties are in Kansas, how can she be too upset about another
state where the SC got control of a CC's password?  Pure hypocrisy, just
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The discussion was in regards to Veda Mendoza's eligibility to run (and 
thus technically discussion related to an individual). The final paragraph 
was added by Tim and not part of the statement approved/disapproved 11-3. 
It is his extrapolation of the board's intent and I do not know how any 
votes would have fallen in regard to it. I am also aware that some board 
members might not vote the same today but it is still likely there would 
not be the necessary majority. I hope, along with you that the balance on 
the new board will have shifted sufficiently that we can get passed this 
disenfranchisement of that CP.

(the above is not for publication unless paraphrased not quoted or 
attributed, nor is your source of the message below, I'd rather remain on 
Exec so I know what is going on although nothing has whatsoever since the 
beginning of the month)

>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:58:48 -0400
>From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
>Subject: [Board-Exec] At-large position
>To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
>
>Linda,
>
>With regard to Ms. Mendoza's request about running for the At-large position:
>
>The following statement was proposed to the AB for their approval/disapproval:
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/,
>a group to which the Project only provides a link to, she is not a member
>of the
>USGenWeb Project and therefore is not eligible to run for the At-large
>position."
>
>The AB approved this statement by a yes/no indication of Yes - 11; No - 3;
>no reply - 1
>
>Since the AB's position is that Ron Eason's group is not part of the Project
>just because we link to his site, the EC is correct in not acquiring the
>addresses
>of persons who work there exclusively.
>
>Tim


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I am about to make your day !
 This is ALL of the emails on Board Exec for the month of June.

More on the way...


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> 
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Kelly Courtney-Blizzard wrote:
> 
> Oh another thing...
> 
> In the pile of stuff you got...did they mention this Maggie thing at all?
> 
> -Teresa
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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] Webmaster
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:36:42 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010612105031.008d77e0@mail.mccallie.org>>


Thanks for the nice words. I never found anyone to help - not that I =
really
tried all that hard.  So, it is just me.  Have a few more things to =
update
yet, but it will be done eventually.  It is amazing how many pages the =
site
has!

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@mccallie.org]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:51 AM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [Board-Exec] Webmaster


Pam,

Did you get someone else to work with you on revising the pages?  They =
seem
to have a new fresher look and I've seen several pages redesigned.

If so, who?

Thanks,

Tim



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From: TVick65536@aol.com
Subject: [Board-Exec] Just a thought..
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:35:28 EDT


If my memory serves me right.. we have two members, if not three, on the =

board physically located in TX.  Let's hope that Allison was kind to =
them,=20
and mindful, that their Internet connection may be affected.

Tina



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Just a thought..
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:29:21 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<38.177bb36b.28581d60@aol.com>>


huh?  Did I miss something?

But yes - there are at least three -- me, RootsLady, and Pecos.  (You =
get=20
to figure out who they are in real life if you don't know!)

Betsy


At 08:35 PM 6/12/01, you wrote:
>If my memory serves me right.. we have two members, if not three, on =
the
>board physically located in TX.  Let's hope that Allison was kind to =
them,
>and mindful, that their Internet connection may be affected.
>
>Tina



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Now this makes more sense
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:22:52 -0400


Subject: Member's Official Complaint
To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
Cc: Leon Moya <leon@usroots.com>, ryangb@nvbell.net

13 June 2001
Official Complaint
To GenWeb, Home Office

My name is Charles Barnum. I am the Courtly Coordinator for=20
Lincoln County New Mexico GenWeb at
<a
href=3D"http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nm/county/lincoln/">http://www.usgenn=
et.or
g/usa/nm/county/lincoln/</A>

I have several concerns about the New Mexico GenWeb project
First: I have asked to have my website inspected by the appropriate
NMGenWeb Official to be sure it meets all of the GenWeb requirements for
websites.=20

The State Coordinator via the NMgen-L message list recently stated he =
has a
hands-off policy concerning website content  That is in direct conflict
with GenWeb policy as stated below: from <A=20
href=3D"http://www.usgenweb.org/official/bylaws.html">http://www.usgenweb=
.org/
official/bylaws.html</A
Section 3. It shall be the responsibility of each state organization to
ensure that the state project is in compliance with the stated bylaws of
The USGenWeb Project.=20

Section 6. It shall be the responsibility of each state project to
periodically review local-level project websites to ensure compliance =
with
The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project established=20
guidelines/standards.=20

Section 7. The state project shall have the responsibility to remove any
links to websites=20
which fail to meet The USGenWeb Project/XXGenWeb Project established
guidelines/standards.

Further to those requirements it states a representative who will not or
can not enforce the rules must be removed:

Section 10.  If a State Coordinator is unable to perform his/her duties,
the Assistant State Coordinator, or other support team, shall serve =
until
an election can take place within the state.  In the case of state =
projects
with more than one Assistant State Coordinator, they shall choose one =
among
themselves to serve in the interim.

I request that either the State Coordinator comply with the rules or be
removed. It is a fact he has been ill for months and unable to control =
or
supervise which is evident by the out-of-control nature of NMGenWeb=20
which used to be run smoothly.=20

Second Complaint: Favoritism A certain cliquish atmosphere has developed =
at
NMGenWeb.
On the message board for county coordinators and volunteers some people
have preferred treatment.
I was personally embarrassed because I used a "signature line" which =
simply
stated Support CAUSE.=20

CAUSE is an anti-junk non-profit association which I belong to in the =
state
of Nevada. I was told=20
on the email list--in public-- by the Assistant State Coordinator that =
the
NM mailing list did not exist to promote my special projects. =20

 HOWEVER, other members were not restricted. One gentleman uses a number =
of
signature lines stating he collects postage stamps for charity, he is
webmaster of various websites and is the manager of the New Mexico Death
Index project. He was not admonished in public at all.

If the mailing list can be used to promote some sites buy not others; =
that
is flagrant discrimination. A case in point is the New Mexico Death =
Index
Project. That manager has stated it is HIS personal project and not=20
that of NMGenWeb. Then why is he allowed to promote it using the mailing
list; while I am not allowed to promote GenNetwork.org which is a
non-commercial association of non-commercial genealogy websites.

Further to that mailing list. In the past it has been used to discuss
politics, religion, gun control and jokes and personal agendas. I am in
extreme opposition to the list being used for political causes. The=20
membership took a stand that gun-control was bad. I happened to believe =
gun
control is proper for the United States Congress to address.  I was
eventually told to shut up. The others who were against gun control were
not told to shut up. My sixteen year old nephew was murdered by a hand =
gun
and I=20
have as much right to defend gun control as they do to oppose it. I only
participate in those discussions once they are brought up by other =
members.

Censorship:  In two specific cases I sent emails to the list in =
opposition
of the subjects being agreed upon. My posts never were aired. I can only
assume some type of censorship exists. I have no direct knowledge of =
this
nor can I explain how it could be accomplished. I only know it happened.

That concludes my Official Complaint as a NMGenWeb Member. I do have one
other issue that I must seek counsel on before I proceed with a possible
class action, but that is not a subject for this=20
current email.

Your Official handling of this matter is greatly appreciated.=20
Charles Barnum,=20
<A=20
href=3D"mailto:ryangb@nvbell.net">ryangb@nvbell.net</a>
cc: Leon Moya
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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Service Mark=20
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:49:48 -0400


You guys owe me 20 lashes for forgetting to include you in the final
report. Course I have the best excuse in the world, age <G>. But you
know I wouldn't=20
neglect a great group like this for long. Anyhow, here is your copy with
my apology.

The application process for our service mark has been completed. The PTO
has acknowledged receipt, assigned a processing number and now we await
their decision. With the check sent to our attorney on June 1, 2001 all
fees have now been paid. Final accounting can be viewed at:
http://home.kscable.com/jschunk/servicemark.html

I wish to thank all who participated in this process either with their
pocket book or their time. John Schunk and Teri Pettit fall in both
categories. They did the lion's share of the work. John prepared and
kept the paperwork straight, acted as liaison with the attorney and
maintained a web site for the accounting. Teri managed the financial end
of it accounting for the checks received, passing the information back
to John and writing the checks. Holly and Tim lent their names to the
process and passed the paperwork on to the PTO. All in all it was a
pretty smooth operation. So, again, I say=20

Thanks
Joe
--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Address Change
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:01:03 -0400


I hate to keep doing this to myself and others but the Polar Bear
Express forces it on me. The take over by Westelcom turned out to be a
step backward so I have hooked up to satelite for a taste of broadband
and better service, I hope. The new addy will be jzsed@starband.net. I
will keep the current address until month's end.

Joe
--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> (by way of Tim =
Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>)
Subject: [Board-Exec] For AB Exc
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:01:04 -0400


Tim will you please forward this to the AB Exc list? Perhaps the AB =
would
like to address Sue's issues, but I don't think it's my place to send =
this
to be posted on BOARD-L.

thanks
****************
Sue: Please forgive me for not answering you sooner. Your message
accidentally got moved to the nomination folder and I just found it.

You wrote:
> This confusion was made for me because the Archives seat is open for
> nominations. Since it is also a two year seat, why isn't it on the =
same
> schedule as the Tombstone and Census Project seats?

I can't answer this question because I don't know. I do know that the AB
seats are staggered so that only 1/2 of the AB gets replaced each year. =
I
don't know why the SP seats were set up as they are. Perhaps this is a
question for the AB?

You Wrote:
>The Census Project seat  is listed as a one year term seat when
> in fact it is also a two year seat.

Although the Seat is normally a 2 year term it is my understanding that =
the
seat was filled and there is one year remaining to be completed of that
person's term. Although the seat has been vacant for some time it is =
still
officially an unfinished term with one year remaining. If this is not
correct then we will certainly change the web page.

You wrote:
> The Election web pages aren't easy to interpret.
> Never-the-less, I suggest that the header on the page at ....
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/openseats.html
> should be changed to "Open Advisory Board Seats" to dispel any further
> misunderstandings.

I have no problem with that and I will ask Kathy to make the change.

You wrote:
>I also suggest that reference to the Census Project seat
> be removed from this page.

I will tell you what I have told everyone else who has mentioned this. =
It is
not the EC's job to determine what seats should or should not be listed. =
The
CP is listed as a vacant seat on the National Web Page and therefore as =
far
as the EC is concerned this seat is open. If the AB does not allow this =
seat
to be opened for nominations then that is the AB's business not the ECs. =
As
long as this seat is an official AB seat and is unfilled the Seat will =
be
listed with a message as to why nominations cannot be accepted by the =
EC.

Thank you very much for your comments and concerns. Again, I'm sorry for =
the
delay in responding to you.

Linda

lhaasdav@mindspring.com
Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" =
at
http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl


----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Soden <suki@ia.net>
To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: The Tombstone Project's AB Representative


> Hi Linda,
>
>>> comments moved to response <<<<<


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:07:33 -0400


It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:

Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
To: tstowell@chattanooga.net

Aveli,
 =20
I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with which I
have problems.
 =20
I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for strictly
official business.
 =20
I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and which
were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
medication.
 =20
After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a non-profit
world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose will be =
to
assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by elected
officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected officials,
refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint to a
legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
$30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are at =
the
mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very powerful
GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
 =20
Thanks again,
I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I will
eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other =
countries.
Charles Barnum


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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:11:36 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010616194904.032b2910@mail.1starnet.com>>


NM has a new ASC -- perhaps we should ask her what is going on??

At 07:50 PM 16 06 2001 -0500, you wrote:
>And he is correct.  I wrote to the NM SC about a week ago about an =
account=20
>and still haven't heard back.
>
>Betsy
>
>
>At 07:07 PM 6/16/01, you wrote:
>>It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:
>>
>>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
>>From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
>>Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
>>To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
>>
>>Aveli,
>>
>>I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
>>friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with which =
I
>>have problems.
>>
>>I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for strictly
>>official business.
>>
>>I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
>>were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
>>medication.
>>
>>After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
>>Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a non-profit
>>world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose will =
be to
>>assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by =
elected
>>officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected officials,
>>refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
>>board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
>>below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint to =
a
>>legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
>>$30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are at =
the
>>mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very powerful
>>GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I =
will
>>eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other =
countries.
>>Charles Barnum
>



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:27:01 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010616181110.025134c0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Joy Fisher wrote:
>=20
> NM has a new ASC -- perhaps we should ask her what is going on??
>=20

Has anyone had any contact with Charles Barnum? His original message
said "I have several concerns about the New Mexico GenWeb project." Was
it his intention to file a grievence? If so, is he interested in the
mediation process?

I am struck be his comment:
> >>I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
> >>were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
> >>medication.
While it is unpleasant to receive messages containing vulgar and vicious
language, and while none of our volunteers should be subjected to that,
he does seem to be overreacting. I certainly don't mean to imply that
his complaints have no merit, but that we need to keep open minds until
we have a more thougough idea of what actually happened.

-Richard

--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:51:17 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010616181110.025134c0@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010616194904.032b2910@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010616223418.03951600@mail.1starnet.com>>


'S all right!! We all have senior moments from time to time!!! <big =
grin>

At 10:34 PM 16 06 2001 -0500, Betsy Mills wrote:
>ACK!  It was the AZ SC that won't answer me!!!
>Sorry!!
>Betsy


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:58:19 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Did anyone else find Sundee's posting of the complaint letter from Mr. =
Barnum to the BOARD-L list *highly*
inappropriate?

Tim, can you deal with that and let Sundee know that is WAY beyond the =
bounds of her position?

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction


> It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:
>
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
> From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
> Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
> To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
>
> Aveli,
>
> I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
> friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with which =
I
> have problems.
>
> I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for strictly
> official business.
>
> I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
> were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
> medication.
>
> After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
> Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a non-profit
> world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose will =
be to
> assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by =
elected
> officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected officials,
> refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
> board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
> below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint to =
a
> legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
> $30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are at =
the
> mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very powerful
> GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
>
> Thanks again,
> I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I =
will
> eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other =
countries.
> Charles Barnum



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:11:20 -0500
References: <<00ad01c0f6f2$82a14720$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010617144245.013f6650@mail.chattanooga.net>>


She should send anything to you and/or another board member as=20
necessary.  She should NOT take it upon herself to post anything to =
board-l=20
without board approval -- a reporting of board business being approved=20
already.  It doesn't matter if someone's complaint has been posted all =
over=20
the world.  That is even more reason for it not to become part of the=20
"official" board business record.

IMHO
Betsy


At 01:42 PM 6/17/01, you wrote:
>At 01:58 AM 6/17/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
> >Did anyone else find Sundee's posting of the complaint letter from =
Mr.
>Barnum to the BOARD-L list *highly*
> >inappropriate?
> >
> >Tim, can you deal with that and let Sundee know that is WAY beyond =
the
>bounds of her position?
> >
> >Shari Handley
> >shari@tyaskin.com
>
>A copy of my note to Sundee sent 6/16:
>
>Sundee,
>
>Please remember to post problems with individuals to Board-Exec - =
Board-l is
>very public....
>
>Tim
>
>her reply rec'd 6/16:
>
>I am sorry Tim.
>The guy already did himself in he emailed everyone in the COGenWeb, and =
that
>inclueded his OWN SC in the NMGenWeb, he did not realize that his SC =
was a
>CC in the COGenWeb and that many CC's are in both states.
>Also I cannot go on the Board-exec list.
>Sundee
>USGenWeb Board Secretary
>--------
>I can write her again regarding her duties.  Since she was not subbed =
to
>Board-Exec,
>should she be added with posting privileges or just send any such
>correspondence to
>the NC, or designated person for forwarding to the remainder of the =
Board?
>
>Tim



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:10:38 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<00ad01c0f6f2$82a14720$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


I agree -- it was inappropriate and probably a rookie mistake.

She should be told that she is only to post to Board-l official results =
of=20
votes and issues the AB is dealing with, not for her to be a conduit for =

complaints.

At 01:58 AM 17 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Did anyone else find Sundee's posting of the complaint letter from Mr.=20
>Barnum to the BOARD-L list *highly*
>inappropriate?
>
>Tim, can you deal with that and let Sundee know that is WAY beyond the=20
>bounds of her position?
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:07 PM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
>
>
> > It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:
> >
> > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
> > From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
> > Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
> > To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
> >
> > Aveli,
> >
> > I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
> > friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with =
which I
> > have problems.
> >
> > I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for =
strictly
> > official business.
> >
> > I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
> > were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
> > medication.
> >
> > After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
> > Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a =
non-profit
> > world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose =
will be to
> > assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by =
elected
> > officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected =
officials,
> > refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
> > board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
> > below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint =
to a
> > legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
> > $30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are =
at the
> > mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very =
powerful
> > GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I =
will
> > eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other=20
> countries.
> > Charles Barnum



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 01:53:11 -0700


Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??

www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken




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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:27:23 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010610015153.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010610075838.0238ce70@mail.bright.net>>


How about:

Dear Traci:

I just looked at your Pickens County Web Site.

You have prominently displayed the USGenWeb logo, which implies =
membership=20
in USgenWeb. Only web sites that are part of the XXGenWeb system and our =

Special Projects may display the logo in this manner. Since you have=20
withdrawn that site from SCGenWeb, you do not qualify to use the logo on =

this site.

You are free to use the other logos from this page:

http://www.usgenweb.org/friends/friendslogo.html



At 08:00 AM 10 06 2001 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
>At 01:53 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??
>>
>>www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken
>
>It should not be used in a manner that implies being part of it.If she =
had=20
>something like "Friend of" with the logo or had it as an obvious link=20
>somewhere in the body, I'd have no problem with it. This could be=20
>explained nicely to her.
>
>Holly
>
>


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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 11:17:18 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010610102048.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010610075838.0238ce70@mail.bright.net>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010610015153.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010610135646.025f4c90@mail.bright.net>>


All the better. <big grin>

Thanks Holly. I do not like using brute force when friendly persuasion =
will=20
do it better!!!

At 01:58 PM 10 06 2001 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
>I had a private message from Traci on things in general and mentioned =
the=20
>logo issue in my reply. She replied that she would change it.
>
>At 10:27 AM 6/10/01 -0700, Joy Fisher wrote:
>>How about:
>>
>>Dear Traci:
>>
>>I just looked at your Pickens County Web Site.
>>
>>You have prominently displayed the USGenWeb logo, which implies=20
>>membership in USgenWeb. Only web sites that are part of the XXGenWeb=20
>>system and our Special Projects may display the logo in this manner.=20
>>Since you have withdrawn that site from SCGenWeb, you do not qualify =
to=20
>>use the logo on this site.
>>
>>You are free to use the other logos from this page:
>>
>>http://www.usgenweb.org/friends/friendslogo.html
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:00 AM 10 06 2001 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
>>>At 01:53 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??
>>>>
>>>>www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken
>>>
>>>It should not be used in a manner that implies being part of it.If =
she=20
>>>had something like "Friend of" with the logo or had it as an obvious=20
>>>link somewhere in the body, I'd have no problem with it. This could =
be=20
>>>explained nicely to her.
>>>
>>>Holly
>
>


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From: "Diane Parsons" <ky.quest@gte.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:30:51 -0400
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010610075838.0238ce70@mail.bright.net>>


I have to agree with Joy Fisher & Holly Trim. After all that
fuss she made, and I personally believe, after reading
all the emails and visiting her website, that she was "straying"
a bit into waters that didn't include USGenWeb.
A nice little note would make her realize that we are
here and watching.

Diane Montgomery Parsons



At 01:53 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??
>
>www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken

It should not be used in a manner that implies being part of it.If she =
had
something like "Friend of" with the logo or had it as an obvious link
somewhere in the body, I'd have no problem with it. This could be =
explained
nicely to her.

Holly



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:00:40 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010610015153.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


At 01:53 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??
>
>www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken

It should not be used in a manner that implies being part of it.If she =
had=20
something like "Friend of" with the logo or had it as an obvious link=20
somewhere in the body, I'd have no problem with it. This could be =
explained=20
nicely to her.

Holly



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Pickens Co. Web Site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:58:35 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010610075838.0238ce70@mail.bright.net>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010610015153.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010610102048.0247fec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


I had a private message from Traci on things in general and mentioned =
the=20
logo issue in my reply. She replied that she would change it.

At 10:27 AM 6/10/01 -0700, Joy Fisher wrote:
>How about:
>
>Dear Traci:
>
>I just looked at your Pickens County Web Site.
>
>You have prominently displayed the USGenWeb logo, which implies =
membership=20
>in USgenWeb. Only web sites that are part of the XXGenWeb system and =
our=20
>Special Projects may display the logo in this manner. Since you have=20
>withdrawn that site from SCGenWeb, you do not qualify to use the logo =
on=20
>this site.
>
>You are free to use the other logos from this page:
>
>http://www.usgenweb.org/friends/friendslogo.html
>
>
>
>At 08:00 AM 10 06 2001 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
>>At 01:53 AM 6/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Should we make a fuss about Traci using the USGW logo??
>>>
>>>www.rootsweb.com/~scpicken
>>
>>It should not be used in a manner that implies being part of it.If she =

>>had something like "Friend of" with the logo or had it as an obvious =
link=20
>>somewhere in the body, I'd have no problem with it. This could be=20
>>explained nicely to her.
>>
>>Holly
>>


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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] census seat/election site
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 08:50:10 -0500


Linda Haas-Davenport asked us the other day for instructions regarding =
the=20
census seat. She really needs some sort of statement or indication of =
what=20
she should say about it in the web site listing. Perhaps something like:
	Pending resolution of various issues this seat will remain vacant.

One of you can probably phrase it better than I

Holly

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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] FWIW
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 21:42:17 -0400


If anyone wants to counter Teresa's attack on RW for account transfer it
seems Tom Ward, KS SC assigns accounts for KS, not Skyways. Since
Teresa's counties are in Kansas, how can she be too upset about another
state where the SC got control of a CC's password?  Pure hypocrisy, just
to suit her own RW-bashing purpose, it looks like.

Joe


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Board secretary list subscriptions
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:55:42 -0400


If I've got this wrong, I'm sure someone here will speak up and say so:

The new Secretary will be added to the Board list, if she is not already
a member and with full posting privileges.

She will be added to the State-Coord list with posting privileges only.

She will not be added to this list.

Tim



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:43:51 -0400


Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:41:11 -0600
From: Wanda Irby <wanda@cyberstation.net>
To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
Subject: {not a subscriber} Census Projects


PLEASE!  Do something to resolve this soon.  UsGenNet's linking to my
county pages has just cost me the best volunteer I have ever had.  He
has transcribed most of one courthouse records, funeral home records and
several things and was doing lookups from privately held records but
because they linked to the Lookup pages, he withdrew.  He was already
working on two other counties but now that is a thing of the past!



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:38:08 -0500
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010611070831.02e6d5a0@mail.bright.net>>


This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html


At 07:09 AM 6/11/01 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
>I've just written Wanda a  brief note asking for the specifics of what=20
>page is linking to where
>
>At 02:43 AM 6/11/01 -0400, Tim Stowell wrote:
>>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:41:11 -0600
>>From: Wanda Irby <wanda@cyberstation.net>
>>To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>>Subject: {not a subscriber} Census Projects
>>
>>
>>PLEASE!  Do something to resolve this soon.  UsGenNet's linking to my
>>county pages has just cost me the best volunteer I have ever had.  He
>>has transcribed most of one courthouse records, funeral home records =
and
>>several things and was doing lookups from privately held records but
>>because they linked to the Lookup pages, he withdrew.  He was already
>>working on two other counties but now that is a thing of the past!
>



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:50:57 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>


Holly Timm wrote:
>=20
> This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
> =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html
>=20
> At 07:09 AM 6/11/01 -0500, Holly Timm wrote:
> >I've just written Wanda a  brief note asking for the specifics of =
what
> >page is linking to where
> >
> >At 02:43 AM 6/11/01 -0400, Tim Stowell wrote:
> >>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:41:11 -0600
> >>From: Wanda Irby <wanda@cyberstation.net>
> >>To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
> >>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
> >>Subject: {not a subscriber} Census Projects
> >>
> >>
> >>PLEASE!  Do something to resolve this soon.  UsGenNet's linking to =
my
> >>county pages has just cost me the best volunteer I have ever had.  =
He
> >>has transcribed most of one courthouse records, funeral home records =
and
> >>several things and was doing lookups from privately held records but
> >>because they linked to the Lookup pages, he withdrew.  He was =
already
> >>working on two other counties but now that is a thing of the past!
> >

First, has Wanda requested that Gary Webb remove the link?

-Isaiah
--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:12:52 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>


Holly Timm wrote:
>=20
> This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
> =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html

Second, if she prefers that people not link to her pages, it would be a
good idea to add a notice on each page to that effect. While some people
believe you should ask permission before linking, many others don't
consider that necessary.

-Isaiah


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:38:09 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>


Holly Timm wrote:
>=20
> This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
> =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html
>=20

I just received the following email. When you go to
http://www.gennetwork.org/ and click on "Locality Web List" and click on
"Cemeteries of Texas" and, then click on "Young," you get to the page
Wanda is talking about.

-Isaiah
____________________________________________________________________
Subj: GenNetwork=20
Date: 6/13/2001 3:49:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time=20
From:    ryangb@nvbell.net (Charlie)
To:    JonesIowa@cs.com
=20
Hello,=20

Please take a few moments to check out the new GenNetwork family of=20
homepages.=20
http://www.gennetwork.org/=20

The goal at GenNetwork is to bring together the best independently owned
and operated genealogy homepages, in one convenient location. =20
Members are owners and webmasters of independent homepages dedicated=20
to preserving free genealogy and history on the net.=20
Each Member site displays our small logo on their homepage, preferably=20
on their main page, with a link back to GenNetwork.org. Here at=20
GenNetwork all the member webs will be shown with links to their=20
homepage.=20
Members are encouraged to participate on our community forum.=20
Any webmaster or webmistress may join provided they have a website=20
with free access to genealogy or historical resources. This includes=20
Surname or Ethnic homepages and County or State homepages, data or=20
historical sites. This is a completely free and non-profit way to=20
promote your website.=20
We hope you will consider submitting your site to GenNetwork.=20
Guidelines and details can be found on our homepage.=20

Thank you for your time.=20
Charles Barnum for
                                     Teresa Shands=20


--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:56:08 -0400
References: <<3B27F961.F46F803B@cs.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010613210732.0250bec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Well dang - this makes the note I got this evening extra interesting.

That note to follow.

And Joy, thanks for the investigative work, I wondered who that group =
was.

Tim

At 09:10 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hmmmmm -- looks like Jerry Dill is up to his old tricks --
>
>from allwhois:
>
>gennetwork.org
>Request: gennetwork.org
>Domain name: gennetwork.org
>
>Registrant:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>    US
>
>
>Administrative:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>
>
>
>Billing:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>    US
>
>
>Technical:
>    RootsQuest,Inc.
>    Jerry Dill   (jed@rootsquest.com)
>    208-365-5328
>    FAX: 208-365-1270
>    811TerryDrive
>    Emmett, ID 83617-3170
>    US
>
>
>DOMAIN CREATED : 2001-04-30 03:50:40
>DOMAIN EXPIRES : 2002-04-30 03:50:40
>
>NAMESERVERS:
>     ns.rootsquest.com
>     ns.usgennet.net
>
>
>At 04:38 PM 13 06 2001 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>>Holly Timm wrote:
>> >
>> > This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
>> > =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html
>> >
>>
>>I just received the following email. When you go to
>>http://www.gennetwork.org/ and click on "Locality Web List" and click =
on
>>"Cemeteries of Texas" and, then click on "Young," you get to the page
>>Wanda is talking about.
>>
>>-Isaiah
>>____________________________________________________________________
>>Subj: GenNetwork
>>Date: 6/13/2001 3:49:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>From:    ryangb@nvbell.net (Charlie)
>>To:    JonesIowa@cs.com
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Please take a few moments to check out the new GenNetwork family of
>>homepages.
>>http://www.gennetwork.org/
>>
>>The goal at GenNetwork is to bring together the best independently =
owned
>>and operated genealogy homepages, in one convenient location.
>>Members are owners and webmasters of independent homepages dedicated
>>to preserving free genealogy and history on the net.
>>Each Member site displays our small logo on their homepage, preferably
>>on their main page, with a link back to GenNetwork.org. Here at
>>GenNetwork all the member webs will be shown with links to their
>>homepage.
>>Members are encouraged to participate on our community forum.
>>Any webmaster or webmistress may join provided they have a website
>>with free access to genealogy or historical resources. This includes
>>Surname or Ethnic homepages and County or State homepages, data or
>>historical sites. This is a completely free and non-profit way to
>>promote your website.
>>We hope you will consider submitting your site to GenNetwork.
>>Guidelines and details can be found on our homepage.
>>
>>Thank you for your time.
>>Charles Barnum for
>>                                      Teresa Shands
>>
>>
>>--
>>Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
>>USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
>>IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
>>Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
>>Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
>>IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
>>Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard
>
>


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:56:08 -0400
References: <<3B27F961.F46F803B@cs.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010613210732.0250bec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Well dang - this makes the note I got this evening extra interesting.

That note to follow.

And Joy, thanks for the investigative work, I wondered who that group =
was.

Tim

At 09:10 PM 6/13/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hmmmmm -- looks like Jerry Dill is up to his old tricks --
>
>from allwhois:
>
>gennetwork.org
>Request: gennetwork.org
>Domain name: gennetwork.org
>
>Registrant:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>    US
>
>
>Administrative:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>
>
>
>Billing:
>    GenealogyByState
>    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
>    208-365-5328
>
>    , Nevada
>    US
>
>
>Technical:
>    RootsQuest,Inc.
>    Jerry Dill   (jed@rootsquest.com)
>    208-365-5328
>    FAX: 208-365-1270
>    811TerryDrive
>    Emmett, ID 83617-3170
>    US
>
>
>DOMAIN CREATED : 2001-04-30 03:50:40
>DOMAIN EXPIRES : 2002-04-30 03:50:40
>
>NAMESERVERS:
>     ns.rootsquest.com
>     ns.usgennet.net
>
>
>At 04:38 PM 13 06 2001 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>>Holly Timm wrote:
>> >
>> > This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
>> > =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html
>> >
>>
>>I just received the following email. When you go to
>>http://www.gennetwork.org/ and click on "Locality Web List" and click =
on
>>"Cemeteries of Texas" and, then click on "Young," you get to the page
>>Wanda is talking about.
>>
>>-Isaiah
>>____________________________________________________________________
>>Subj: GenNetwork
>>Date: 6/13/2001 3:49:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>From:    ryangb@nvbell.net (Charlie)
>>To:    JonesIowa@cs.com
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Please take a few moments to check out the new GenNetwork family of
>>homepages.
>>http://www.gennetwork.org/
>>
>>The goal at GenNetwork is to bring together the best independently =
owned
>>and operated genealogy homepages, in one convenient location.
>>Members are owners and webmasters of independent homepages dedicated
>>to preserving free genealogy and history on the net.
>>Each Member site displays our small logo on their homepage, preferably
>>on their main page, with a link back to GenNetwork.org. Here at
>>GenNetwork all the member webs will be shown with links to their
>>homepage.
>>Members are encouraged to participate on our community forum.
>>Any webmaster or webmistress may join provided they have a website
>>with free access to genealogy or historical resources. This includes
>>Surname or Ethnic homepages and County or State homepages, data or
>>historical sites. This is a completely free and non-profit way to
>>promote your website.
>>We hope you will consider submitting your site to GenNetwork.
>>Guidelines and details can be found on our homepage.
>>
>>Thank you for your time.
>>Charles Barnum for
>>                                      Teresa Shands
>>
>>
>>--
>>Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
>>USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
>>IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
>>Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
>>Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
>>IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
>>Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard
>
>


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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:10:43 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010611213740.03fff100@mail.bright.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B27F961.F46F803B@cs.com>>


Hmmmmm -- looks like Jerry Dill is up to his old tricks --

from allwhois:

gennetwork.org
Request: gennetwork.org
Domain name: gennetwork.org

Registrant:
    GenealogyByState
    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
    208-365-5328

    , Nevada
    US


Administrative:
    GenealogyByState
    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
    208-365-5328

    , Nevada



Billing:
    GenealogyByState
    Charles Barnum   (ryangb@nvbell.net)
    208-365-5328

    , Nevada
    US


Technical:
    RootsQuest,Inc.
    Jerry Dill   (jed@rootsquest.com)
    208-365-5328
    FAX: 208-365-1270
    811TerryDrive
    Emmett, ID 83617-3170
    US


DOMAIN CREATED : 2001-04-30 03:50:40
DOMAIN EXPIRES : 2002-04-30 03:50:40

NAMESERVERS:
     ns.rootsquest.com
     ns.usgennet.net


At 04:38 PM 13 06 2001 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>Holly Timm wrote:
> >
> > This is the usgennet page Wanda is talking about
> > =
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/tx/topic/cemeteries/Wtx/Young/ListYoung.html
> >
>
>I just received the following email. When you go to
>http://www.gennetwork.org/ and click on "Locality Web List" and click =
on
>"Cemeteries of Texas" and, then click on "Young," you get to the page
>Wanda is talking about.
>
>-Isaiah
>____________________________________________________________________
>Subj: GenNetwork
>Date: 6/13/2001 3:49:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>From:    ryangb@nvbell.net (Charlie)
>To:    JonesIowa@cs.com
>
>Hello,
>
>Please take a few moments to check out the new GenNetwork family of
>homepages.
>http://www.gennetwork.org/
>
>The goal at GenNetwork is to bring together the best independently =
owned
>and operated genealogy homepages, in one convenient location.
>Members are owners and webmasters of independent homepages dedicated
>to preserving free genealogy and history on the net.
>Each Member site displays our small logo on their homepage, preferably
>on their main page, with a link back to GenNetwork.org. Here at
>GenNetwork all the member webs will be shown with links to their
>homepage.
>Members are encouraged to participate on our community forum.
>Any webmaster or webmistress may join provided they have a website
>with free access to genealogy or historical resources. This includes
>Surname or Ethnic homepages and County or State homepages, data or
>historical sites. This is a completely free and non-profit way to
>promote your website.
>We hope you will consider submitting your site to GenNetwork.
>Guidelines and details can be found on our homepage.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>Charles Barnum for
>                                      Teresa Shands
>
>
>--
>Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
>USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
>IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
>Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
>Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
>IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
>Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Board secretary list subscriptions
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:55:42 -0400


If I've got this wrong, I'm sure someone here will speak up and say so:

The new Secretary will be added to the Board list, if she is not already
a member and with full posting privileges.

She will be added to the State-Coord list with posting privileges only.

She will not be added to this list.

Tim



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] From a constituent
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:09:01 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010611024351.011c5d50@mail.chattanooga.net>>


I've just written Wanda a  brief note asking for the specifics of what =
page=20
is linking to where

At 02:43 AM 6/11/01 -0400, Tim Stowell wrote:
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:41:11 -0600
>From: Wanda Irby <wanda@cyberstation.net>
>To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list
>Subject: {not a subscriber} Census Projects
>
>
>PLEASE!  Do something to resolve this soon.  UsGenNet's linking to my
>county pages has just cost me the best volunteer I have ever had.  He
>has transcribed most of one courthouse records, funeral home records =
and
>several things and was doing lookups from privately held records but
>because they linked to the Lookup pages, he withdrew.  He was already
>working on two other counties but now that is a thing of the past!



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Webmaster
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:50:31 -0400


Pam,

Did you get someone else to work with you on revising the pages?  They =
seem
to have a new fresher look and I've seen several pages redesigned.

If so, who?

Thanks,

Tim


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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:11:34 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010616230843.025139f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


I agree with Shari and Joy.

Joe

Joy Fisher wrote:
>=20
> I agree -- it was inappropriate and probably a rookie mistake.
>=20
> She should be told that she is only to post to Board-l official =
results of
> votes and issues the AB is dealing with, not for her to be a conduit =
for
> complaints.
>=20
> At 01:58 AM 17 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Did anyone else find Sundee's posting of the complaint letter from =
Mr.
> >Barnum to the BOARD-L list *highly*
> >inappropriate?
> >
> >Tim, can you deal with that and let Sundee know that is WAY beyond =
the
> >bounds of her position?
> >
> >Shari Handley
> >shari@tyaskin.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:07 PM
> >Subject: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
> >
> >
> > > It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit =
further:
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
> > > From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
> > > Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
> > > To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
> > >
> > > Aveli,
> > >
> > > I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
> > > friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with =
which I
> > > have problems.
> > >
> > > I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for =
strictly
> > > official business.
> > >
> > > I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
> > > were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently =
under heavy
> > > medication.
> > >
> > > After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
> > > Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a =
non-profit
> > > world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose =
will be to
> > > assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by =
elected
> > > officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected =
officials,
> > > refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
> > > board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
> > > below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint =
to a
> > > legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum =
of
> > > $30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's =
are at the
> > > mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very =
powerful
> > > GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I =
will
> > > eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other
> > countries.
> > > Charles Barnum

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:42:45 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<00ad01c0f6f2$82a14720$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 01:58 AM 6/17/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>Did anyone else find Sundee's posting of the complaint letter from Mr.
Barnum to the BOARD-L list *highly*
>inappropriate?
>
>Tim, can you deal with that and let Sundee know that is WAY beyond the
bounds of her position?
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
=20
A copy of my note to Sundee sent 6/16:

Sundee,

Please remember to post problems with individuals to Board-Exec - =
Board-l is=20
very public....

Tim

her reply rec'd 6/16:

I am sorry Tim.
The guy already did himself in he emailed everyone in the COGenWeb, and =
that
inclueded his OWN SC in the NMGenWeb, he did not realize that his SC was =
a
CC in the COGenWeb and that many CC's are in both states.
Also I cannot go on the Board-exec list.
Sundee
USGenWeb Board Secretary
--------
I can write her again regarding her duties.  Since she was not subbed to
Board-Exec,
should she be added with posting privileges or just send any such
correspondence to=20
the NC, or designated person for forwarding to the remainder of the =
Board?

Tim



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:50:57 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


And he is correct.  I wrote to the NM SC about a week ago about an =
account=20
and still haven't heard back.

Betsy


At 07:07 PM 6/16/01, you wrote:
>It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:
>
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
>From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
>Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
>To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
>
>Aveli,
>
>I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
>friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with which I
>have problems.
>
>I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for strictly
>official business.
>
>I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
>were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
>medication.
>
>After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
>Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a non-profit
>world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose will =
be to
>assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by elected
>officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected officials,
>refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
>board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
>below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint to a
>legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
>$30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are at =
the
>mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very powerful
>GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
>
>Thanks again,
>I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I will
>eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other =
countries.
>Charles Barnum



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] New Mexico friction
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:34:40 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010616194904.032b2910@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010616200733.00ace2d0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010616181110.025134c0@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


ACK!  It was the AZ SC that won't answer me!!!
Sorry!!
Betsy


At 08:11 PM 6/16/01, you wrote:
>NM has a new ASC -- perhaps we should ask her what is going on??
>
>At 07:50 PM 16 06 2001 -0500, you wrote:
>>And he is correct.  I wrote to the NM SC about a week ago about an=20
>>account and still haven't heard back.
>>
>>Betsy
>>
>>
>>At 07:07 PM 6/16/01, you wrote:
>>>It appears what Joy reported the other day - is going a bit further:
>>>
>>>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:59:34 -0700
>>>From: Charlie <ryangb@nvbell.net>
>>>Subject: Thank you, Aveli.
>>>To: tstowell@chattanooga.net
>>>
>>>Aveli,
>>>
>>>I do appreciate your kind remarks, thank you. However, I have no =
personal
>>>friction with any individual. It is an unresponsive system with which =
I
>>>have problems.
>>>
>>>I will no longer use the NMgen-l for communicating except for =
strictly
>>>official business.
>>>
>>>I have received some private emails containing vulgar language and =
which
>>>were vicious. This has saddened me so much that I'm currently under =
heavy
>>>medication.
>>>
>>>After I regain my composure, I have decided to form an Independent
>>>Association of Gen Web County Coordinators. This will be a non-profit
>>>world-wide association of any CC who wishes to join. Its purpose will =
be to
>>>assist CC's who feel they have been mistreated in any manner by =
elected
>>>officials, or if their complaints--which entrenched elected =
officials,
>>>refuse to address. I realize this will be very expensive to set up =
messages
>>>board and association homepage, but the cost is many thousands of =
dollars
>>>below what a CC would have to spend in order to take his complaint to =
a
>>>legal court. My advisor told me yesterday it would cost a minimum of
>>>$30,000 for me to bring suit for slander. So you see, most CC's are =
at the
>>>mercy of the elected officials who have the backing of a very =
powerful
>>>GenWeb. CC's need independent representation.
>>>
>>>Thanks again,
>>>I may contact you in the near future concerning our association. I =
will
>>>eventually contact every CC in America and then reach out to other=20
>>>countries.
>>>Charles Barnum
>



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From: "RootsLady" <rootslady@msn.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: CC Concerns
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:07:45 -0500


I wrote Charlie and got this in return. I've been following the thread =
on
the maillist. I'll also forward Leon's first answer to Charlie's =
questions
in a few minutes.

RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie" <ryangb@nvbell.net>
To: "RootsLady" <rootslady@email.msn.com>
Cc: <ryangb@nvbell.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: CC Concerns


> Barbara Dore,
>
> Thank you for your email.
> My concerns are very simple and easy to solve.
>
> ONE...I want the State Coordinator and the Assistant State Coordinator =
to
> refrain from personal remarks on the mailing list of NMgen-l about me. =
I
> want all other members to stop using references to me of a personal =
nature
> derogator nature.
>
> The mailing list is not a weapon that should be used against me or to
> slander me.
>
> TWO.. I want the State Coordinator to acknowledge that NewMexico =
GenWeb
will
> be run according to USGenWeb bylaws and then to comply with the =
bylaws.
>
> Those are very simple requests to my mind. If the State Coordinator =
will
not
> comply with USGenWeb bylaws then he should be removed by USGenWeb.
>
> Charles Barnum
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RootsLady" <rootslady@msn.com>
> To: "Charlie Barnum" <ryangb@nvbell.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:12 PM
> Subject: CC Concerns
>
>
> > Hi Charlie,
> >
> > My name is Barbara Yancey Dore and I'm one of the USGenWeb County
> > Coordinator Representatives which covers NMGenWeb.
> >
> > I understand there are some concerns that you have with the NMGenWeb
> > Project. I may not be able to fix those problems by myself but I can
> > certainly listen and perhaps offer some suggestions.
> >
> > If you would like to discuss this with me, please feel free to =
contact
me
> > with additional information or concerns.
> >
> > RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore
> > Southwest/South Central County Coordinator Representative
> > UsGenWeb Project
> >
> >
>



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From: "RootsLady" <rootslady@msn.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:13:07 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie" <ryangb@nvbell.net>
To: <nmgen-l@usroots.com>
Cc: <ryangb@nvbell.net>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:01 PM
Subject: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance


> Can anyone tell me if there is an official guru on NMGenWeb that
> periodically checks the County web sites to see if they comply with =
all of
> the requirements, and restrictions, of GenNet or whomever is in charge
> nowdays?
> I'd like them to take a look at my LINCOLN COUNTY page to make sure it
meets
> every detail. I have a good reason for this.
> Charles Barnum, owner Lincoln County GenWeb
> bcc: various


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From: "RootsLady" <rootslady@msn.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:15:21 -0500


Here is Leon's first reply to Charlie's questions.=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Leon Moya" <leon@usroots.com>
To: <nmgen-l@usroots.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance


> On 11 Jun 2001, at 15:01, Charlie wrote: > Can anyone tell me if=20
> there is an official guru on NMGenWeb
>=20
> Well, I guess I've been called worse in my time but I suppose I'm=20
> the so called guru of whom you speak. <grin>=20
>=20
> Hello all ..=20
>=20
> To answer the question posed by Charles, yes there are standards=20
> by which we, as members of USGenWeb, should comply. These=20
> standards are and always have been, available on the USGenWeb=20
> site @ http://www.usgenweb.org=20
>=20
> Since I have been SC for the great State of NM, I've never seen the=20
> need to play "policeman" and spy on county sites to see if the=20
> eyes are dotted and tees crossed. After all, my CC's, one and all,=20
> are consenting adults and know right from wrong.=20
>=20
> In my humble opinion, the first and foremost reason for being here=20
> in the first place, is to help / assist the broader genealogy=20
> community in tracing family history and if that means not meeting=20
> some rules to the 'n' th degree, then so be it.=20
>=20
> Other than not having one of the many official USGenWeb logo's=20
> and link on the opening page of a web site, I think I can live with=20
> most anything else.=20
>=20
> If someone, anyone, has a particular gripe about an aspect of one=20
> site or another, please take it up with either myself or one of the=20
> assistant SC's.=20
>=20
> An open discussion on this subject would be welcome:=20
>=20
> Thanks everyone,=20
>=20
> Leon=20
>=20
>=20
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Leon Moya    mailto:leon@usroots.com
>=20
> State Coordinator NMGenWeb Project
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nmgenweb/index.html



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:42:42 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<006001c0f6e4$2ef41b60$967c3b3f@0022538254>>


At 11:15 PM 6/16/01 -0500, RootsLady wrote:
>Here is Leon's first reply to Charlie's questions.=20
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Leon Moya" <leon@usroots.com>
>To: <nmgen-l@usroots.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:07 PM
>Subject: Re: NMGEN-L: Web site compliance
>
>
>> On 11 Jun 2001, at 15:01, Charlie wrote: > Can anyone tell me if=20
>> there is an official guru on NMGenWeb
>>=20
>> Well, I guess I've been called worse in my time but I suppose I'm=20
>> the so called guru of whom you speak. <grin>=20
>>=20
>> Hello all ..=20
>>=20
>> To answer the question posed by Charles, yes there are standards=20
>> by which we, as members of USGenWeb, should comply. These=20
>> standards are and always have been, available on the USGenWeb=20
>> site @ http://www.usgenweb.org=20
>>=20
>> Since I have been SC for the great State of NM, I've never seen the=20
>> need to play "policeman" and spy on county sites to see if the=20
>> eyes are dotted and tees crossed. After all, my CC's, one and all,=20
>> are consenting adults and know right from wrong.=20
>>=20
>> In my humble opinion, the first and foremost reason for being here=20
>> in the first place, is to help / assist the broader genealogy=20
>> community in tracing family history and if that means not meeting=20
>> some rules to the 'n' th degree, then so be it.=20
>>=20
>> Other than not having one of the many official USGenWeb logo's=20
>> and link on the opening page of a web site, I think I can live with=20
>> most anything else.=20
>>=20
>> If someone, anyone, has a particular gripe about an aspect of one=20
>> site or another, please take it up with either myself or one of the=20
>> assistant SC's.=20
>>=20
>> An open discussion on this subject would be welcome:=20
>>=20
>> Thanks everyone,=20
>>=20
>> Leon=20
=20
I'm willing to bet that a good share of SCs don't either have page =
police
nor do it themselves.  If Leon is like most SCs he's busy with other =
things
and takes on the problems with sites as they occur and/or are reported.

Tim



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From: "Stowell, Tim" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: [Board-Exec] test
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 01:06:32 -0400


Email coming in fine - not going out so well as ISP decides for some =
goofy reason to change numbers....

Tim



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:46:13 -0500


Darn!  merope is right.  <sigh>  This number has already been used.

Betsy



>Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:57:32 -0600
>X-Original-Sender: tstowell@chattanooga.net Sun Jun 10 21:57:32 2001
>X-Sender: foghorn@mail.chattanooga.net (Unverified)
>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32)
>Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:51:25 -0400
>Old-To: Board-l@rootsweb.com
>From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
>To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>Resent-From: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>Reply-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>X-Mailing-List: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5801
>X-Loop: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
>Resent-Sender: BOARD-L-request@rootsweb.com
>X-RCPT-TO: <betsym@1starnet.com>
>
>Motion 01-21 to appoint Sundee Maynez as Board Secretary,
>vote results:
>
>Yes - 12, No - 0; Abstain - 0; Not Voting - 3.
>
>Motion passes.
>
>Welcome Sundee.


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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:56:58 -0400
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010619084525.0402f700@mail.1starnet.com>>


If Sundee gets elected maybe Teresa should be in line as Board
Secretary. She maintains a pretty good watch on the Board. Besides she
would have an inside track for her BS. Besides, if she were sworn to
confidentiality for postings here it might throw some sand in the BS
gears. LOL

BTW, Pam, how are you coming on the census page links?

Joe

Betsy Mills wrote:
>=20
> Darn!  merope is right.  <sigh>  This number has already been used.
>=20
> Betsy
>=20
> >Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:57:32 -0600
> >X-Original-Sender: tstowell@chattanooga.net Sun Jun 10 21:57:32 2001
> >X-Sender: foghorn@mail.chattanooga.net (Unverified)
> >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32)
> >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 22:51:25 -0400
> >Old-To: Board-l@rootsweb.com
> >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
> >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
> >Resent-From: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
> >Reply-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
> >X-Mailing-List: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5801
> >X-Loop: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com
> >Resent-Sender: BOARD-L-request@rootsweb.com
> >X-RCPT-TO: <betsym@1starnet.com>
> >
> >Motion 01-21 to appoint Sundee Maynez as Board Secretary,
> >vote results:
> >
> >Yes - 12, No - 0; Abstain - 0; Not Voting - 3.
> >
> >Motion passes.
> >
> >Welcome Sundee.

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:19:14 -0400
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010619084525.0402f700@mail.1starnet.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B2F5A2A.3CFE9FD6@westelcom.com>>


Joe,

I certainly have considered Teresa as BS.

Tim

At 09:56 AM 6/19/01 -0400, Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny wrote:
>If Sundee gets elected maybe Teresa should be in line as Board
>Secretary. She maintains a pretty good watch on the Board. Besides she
>would have an inside track for her BS. Besides, if she were sworn to
>confidentiality for postings here it might throw some sand in the BS
>gears. LOL
>
>BTW, Pam, how are you coming on the census page links?
>
>Joe
>
>Betsy Mills wrote:
>>=20
>> Darn!  merope is right.  <sigh>  This number has already been used.
>>=20
>> Betsy
>>


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:09:01 -0400


A question regarding a nomination has arisen on the EC that they are =
unsure
how to handle.

I've been asked to place it before the AB for their opinion.  I am also
commenting on the nomination below.

A nomination has been received by the EC for 'None of the Above' in all =
races.

One concern expressed - what if 'none of the above' wins a seat?

As I've already written the EC this morning:

"I see two advantages of having this designation on the ballot:

1. all other candidates see how they stand
2. more folks would possibly participate in the election

Even if none of the above 'won' a seat, the runner up would know
that they really were second choice of the voters at large in their
respective areas."
------
This is a valid choice that voters should have the right to - other than
having write-in candidates.

Tim


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:03:39 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>>


I disagree.  There is no good reason to have a "none of the above".  If =
a voter does not like any of the listed
candidates, he or she is free NOT to vote for that position at all.

What could possibly be gained by having the embarrassment of someone =
being seated on the board with the knowledge that
they were a second-place finisher to "none of the above".  Do you get a =
"none of the above" choice when you are voting
in a governmental election?

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] EC question


> A question regarding a nomination has arisen on the EC that they are =
unsure
> how to handle.
>
> I've been asked to place it before the AB for their opinion.  I am =
also
> commenting on the nomination below.
>
> A nomination has been received by the EC for 'None of the Above' in =
all races.
>
> One concern expressed - what if 'none of the above' wins a seat?
>
> As I've already written the EC this morning:
>
> "I see two advantages of having this designation on the ballot:
>
> 1. all other candidates see how they stand
> 2. more folks would possibly participate in the election
>
> Even if none of the above 'won' a seat, the runner up would know
> that they really were second choice of the voters at large in their
> respective areas."
> ------
> This is a valid choice that voters should have the right to - other =
than
> having write-in candidates.
>
> Tim



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@westelcom.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:20:08 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>> =
<<002501c0f8d1$05fe9e80$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Shari is right. This would only serve to further divide us. The
candidates are maybe not always the best the Project has to offer, but
they are the only ones who have the guts to take on the task knowing
that they will have to listen to half witted comments from ALL,the CC
list and the BS about that bad ol Board.

While I am on the subject I hope that retiring Board members will go to
bat for the new Board when derogatory comments are made about them.

Joe

Shari Handley wrote:
>=20
> I disagree.  There is no good reason to have a "none of the above".  =
If a voter does not like any of the listed
> candidates, he or she is free NOT to vote for that position at all.
>=20
> What could possibly be gained by having the embarrassment of someone =
being seated on the board with the knowledge that
> they were a second-place finisher to "none of the above".  Do you get =
a "none of the above" choice when you are voting
> in a governmental election?
>=20
> Shari Handley
> shari@tyaskin.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
> To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:09 AM
> Subject: [Board-Exec] EC question
>=20
> > A question regarding a nomination has arisen on the EC that they are =
unsure
> > how to handle.
> >
> > I've been asked to place it before the AB for their opinion.  I am =
also
> > commenting on the nomination below.
> >
> > A nomination has been received by the EC for 'None of the Above' in =
all races.
> >
> > One concern expressed - what if 'none of the above' wins a seat?
> >
> > As I've already written the EC this morning:
> >
> > "I see two advantages of having this designation on the ballot:
> >
> > 1. all other candidates see how they stand
> > 2. more folks would possibly participate in the election
> >
> > Even if none of the above 'won' a seat, the runner up would know
> > that they really were second choice of the voters at large in their
> > respective areas."
> > ------
> > This is a valid choice that voters should have the right to - other =
than
> > having write-in candidates.
> >
> > Tim

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:30:13 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>>
In-Reply-To: <<002501c0f8d1$05fe9e80$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


In some precincts one does have that option.

Isn't it a good idea to include more members in the process - even if =
they
happen to dislike the choices they have?  It would send the message that
the members prefer someone more in tune with the voters.

As far as I know the EC is not going to allow for write-in votes, so =
this
would be an alternative voting mechanism for members disenchanted with =
their
choice(s).

Tim

At 11:03 AM 6/19/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>I disagree.  There is no good reason to have a "none of the above".  If =
a
voter does not like any of the listed
>candidates, he or she is free NOT to vote for that position at all.
>
>What could possibly be gained by having the embarrassment of someone =
being
seated on the board with the knowledge that
>they were a second-place finisher to "none of the above".  Do you get a
"none of the above" choice when you are voting
>in a governmental election?
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:09 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] EC question
>
>
>> A question regarding a nomination has arisen on the EC that they are =
unsure
>> how to handle.
>>
>> I've been asked to place it before the AB for their opinion.  I am =
also
>> commenting on the nomination below.
>>
>> A nomination has been received by the EC for 'None of the Above' in =
all
races.
>>
>> One concern expressed - what if 'none of the above' wins a seat?
>>
>> As I've already written the EC this morning:
>>
>> "I see two advantages of having this designation on the ballot:
>>
>> 1. all other candidates see how they stand
>> 2. more folks would possibly participate in the election
>>
>> Even if none of the above 'won' a seat, the runner up would know
>> that they really were second choice of the voters at large in their
>> respective areas."
>> ------
>> This is a valid choice that voters should have the right to - other =
than
>> having write-in candidates.
>>
>> Tim
>
>
>



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:08:24 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>>
In-Reply-To: <<v03130301b75536105d26@[153.32.54.158]>>


At 11:13 AM 6/19/01 -0700, Teri Pettit wrote:

>I think we should ask the discussion lists and go with what seems
>to be the majority sentiment. It's the project's election, not ours.
=20
Ok, I'll send my initial post here to -all with requests that it be =
forwarded
to other lists.

Teri, would you then post your reply to it there?

Tim



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] EC Question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:19:34 -0700


This organization already a completely open nomination system. Any
member may nominate any other member (or even themselves!) to run for an
office for which they qualify--and they are encouraged to do so. There
might be some reason for "none of the above" if candidates were
nominated by political parties or by a nominations committee, but that
is not the case in The USGWP.

If we want to offer the members an additional way to express themselves,
let's hope we can come up with a proposal that enables and encourages
them to do so in a positive manner that benefits the project and not
just give them another opportunity to say "no."

-Isaiah



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-21 Board Secretary
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:43:42 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<3B2F5A2A.3CFE9FD6@westelcom.com>>


It is done!




TW, Pam, how are you coming on the census page links?

Joe



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Betsy's mail
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:59:29 -0400


Is apparently flaky again, with message bounces.  Guess it's her turn =
today
as mine has been for the last 2 days.



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From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@Adobe.COM>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:13:26 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>>


At 7:09 AM -0700 6/19/01, Tim Stowell wrote:
>A nomination has been received by the EC for 'None of the Above' in all =
races.
>
>One concern expressed - what if 'none of the above' wins a seat?
>
>As I've already written the EC this morning:
>
>"I see two advantages of having this designation on the ballot:
>
>1. all other candidates see how they stand
>2. more folks would possibly participate in the election
>
>Even if none of the above 'won' a seat, the runner up would know
>that they really were second choice of the voters at large in their
>respective areas."


I think we should ask the discussion lists and go with what seems
to be the majority sentiment. It's the project's election, not ours.

But as far as my personal opinion, I'm in favor of it.

I don't think it would be any more 'divisive' than elections in
general are.

It has two points going for it:

1. It gives people who don't approve of any of the candidates an
   opportunity to mark a choice that they feel is really what they
   believe. "Abstain" doesn't quite do that. It more often means
   "I haven't studied the candidates in this race well enough to
   have an opinion and would rather leave the choice up to those
   who have." Whereas "None of the above" means, "I have studied
   the candidates, and don't feel comfortable voting for any of
   them." The principle of being able to vote your true opinion
   is very important to me.

2. Especially in uncontested races, it gives the candidate an idea
   of how much of a mandate they have.

   As the only candidate for the Board seat that I hold, and moreover
   as someone who often votes in the minority, I've always felt a bit
   unsure of whether I can truly represent the will of my constituents.
   I try to gauge the sentiment on the discussion lists, but we all
   know that they tend to be dominated by a vocal few, and it's hard
   to get a feel for what the silent majority think. So I personally
   would have appreciated the guidance offered by a "None of the
   above" choice. If "None" had got a very low vote, I'd feel more
   confident in voting my conscience; while if "None" had got a fairly
   high vote, I'd be more wary of pushing my personal opinion when
   it went against the Board majority.

Also, if we DO allow a "None of the above" choice, I don't think it
should be treated as exactly equivalent to "abstain." How I think it
should be treated is, if "None of the above" got a MAJORITY vote (more
than half), then the new Board should fill the seat like a mid-term
vacancy, with someone other than one of the rejected candidates.

Think about what that kind of vote would mean - MORE THAN HALF of the
voters would be so firmly opposed to all of the candidates that they
would really not be willing to see them sit on the Board. If more than
half of the voters REALLY felt that way, then why should someone who
had so little support be given the opportunity to vote in a way that
MOST of the Project members disagreed with? It doesn't sound very
democratic.

However, if it was a multiple candidate election, and "None of the =
above"
got more votes than any candidate, but still less than half, then
the seat(s) should be distributed to the 'runners up'.

Shari asked "What could possibly be gained by having the embarrassment
of someone being seated on the board with the knowledge that they
were a second-place finisher to "none of the above"."

The answer is, hopefully some greater humility, a curb on everyone's
natural tendency to assume that their beliefs are in tune with those
of the silent masses.

In practice, I doubt very much that the situation would ever arise.
There just aren't THAT many people who are so disgruntled as to vote
explicitly for nobody. But I think it is important to give everyone a
real opportunity to express what what they feel, even those who are
in a minority.

Shari also asked "Do you get a "none of the above" choice when you
are voting in a governmental election?"

Yes, "None of the above" IS a choice on local ballots where I live,
and has been for decades. The election rules are that if "None of
the above" wins, the position will remain vacant until a special
election can be held, and in the interim the rules for an 'acting'
office holder will apply, very much as if a real person had won but
the winner had died immediately after taking office. True, this would
be a tedious exercise and expense if it ever happened, but in practice
"None of the above" never gets more than a small fraction of the vote.
Just like 'fringe party' votes, people voting that way don't expect
to win, they just want to be able to make a statement. The "None of
the above" statements have never proven to be divisive; on the contrary,
the option seems to reduce the amount of mud-slinging against the
real candidates. When there is a place on the ballot to express one's
frustration at the quality of the available choices, there is less
anger directed at those candidates.

-- Teri



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From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@Adobe.COM>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:19:34 -0700
References: <<v03130301b75536105d26@[153.32.54.158]>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010619100901.007f8100@mail.mccallie.org>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010619160824.007de5c0@mail.mccallie.org>>


At 1:08 PM -0700 6/19/01, Tim Stowell wrote:
>At 11:13 AM 6/19/01 -0700, Teri Pettit wrote:
>
>>I think we should ask the discussion lists and go with what seems
>>to be the majority sentiment. It's the project's election, not ours.
>
>Ok, I'll send my initial post here to -all with requests that it be =
forwarded
>to other lists.
>
>Teri, would you then post your reply to it there?
>
>Tim

It might be a little out-of-context if forwarded with the quotes
from Shari. I could send a slightly modified version, though.

Or perhaps we could suggest to the EC that they ask the question
on the nominations page, the way they did with the question about
whether nominee names should be posted upon receipt.

-- Teri



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] EC Question
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:52:46 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<3B2FB3D6.1B88C537@cs.com>>


I have to agree.  This is a very negative way of handling things and =
don't=20
we have enough negatives?

Betsy

PS:  My mail may be bouncing, but I am still getting it.

At 01:19 PM 6/19/01 -0700, you wrote:
>This organization already a completely open nomination system. Any
>member may nominate any other member (or even themselves!) to run for =
an
>office for which they qualify--and they are encouraged to do so. There
>might be some reason for "none of the above" if candidates were
>nominated by political parties or by a nominations committee, but that
>is not the case in The USGWP.
>
>If we want to offer the members an additional way to express =
themselves,
>let's hope we can come up with a proposal that enables and encourages
>them to do so in a positive manner that benefits the project and not
>just give them another opportunity to say "no."
>
>-Isaiah



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From: "RootsLady" <rootslady@msn.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Motion 01-22 EC replacement - Vote
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:51:50 -0500


YES

Motion 01-21 EC replacement - Vote

"Since I removed myself from the ex-officio position on the Election=20
Committee at the same time as I posted my acceptance of the nomination,=20
that spot is now vacant.

I therefore move that Shari Handley take my place there."

RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Question.
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:09:20 -0700


What is the policy about granting read-only subscriptions to BOARD-L?
Who can get one? How are they supposed to do it?

-Isaiah



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Question.
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:51:24 -0400
References: <<3B33B400.61E0AED2@cs.com>>


Isaiah,

I would guess that Tim has the list on moderate and each of us on the =
accept
list so our posts go through.  It was my understanding that every member =
of
the USGWP could be a read only member of BOARD-L if they wanted.

Maggie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:09 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Question.


What is the policy about granting read-only subscriptions to BOARD-L?
Who can get one? How are they supposed to do it?

-Isaiah

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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Question.
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:45:57 -0700
References: <<3B33B400.61E0AED2@cs.com>> =
<<03c601c0fb66$caba0b00$0300a8c0@local.net>>


MaggieOhio wrote:
>=20
> Isaiah,
>=20
> I would guess that Tim has the list on moderate and each of us on the =
accept
> list so our posts go through.  It was my understanding that every =
member of
> the USGWP could be a read only member of BOARD-L if they wanted.
>=20
> Maggie
>=20
Thanks!
-Isaiah


--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Question.
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:03:17 -0400
References: <<3B33B400.61E0AED2@cs.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<03c601c0fb66$caba0b00$0300a8c0@local.net>>


As Maggie says, the list is set so that only AB members can post to the =
list
while others are read only.

The reason it is on moderate, is that we still have members of the =
public
trying
to subscribe thinking it is the list for the surname BOARD instead of =
what it
really is.

If I don't recognize the addy or name of the person trying to subscribe, =
I
write
and ask what position they hold in the Project.  Sometimes though a =
person
here and
there will slip through and do they get surprised regarding the Board =
surname.

Occasionally folks post to the list - as if it were the Board surname =
and
then I have
to let them know the correct address for the Board surname list.

Tim

At 05:51 PM 6/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Isaiah,
>
>I would guess that Tim has the list on moderate and each of us on the =
accept
>list so our posts go through.  It was my understanding that every =
member of
>the USGWP could be a read only member of BOARD-L if they wanted.
>
>Maggie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:09 PM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Question.
>
>
>What is the policy about granting read-only subscriptions to BOARD-L?
>Who can get one? How are they supposed to do it?
>
>-Isaiah
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:14:59 -0400


This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport for
your comments:

From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500

Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly Timm). =
The
EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.

Linda

lhaasdav@mindspring.com
Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" =
at
http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl


----- Original Message -----
From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination


> Linda,
> I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> for Advisory Board positions.
>
> Veda
>
> Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >
> > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about your
> > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >
> > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat is =
that
> > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a =
position
as
> > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been unable =
to
> > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that you =
are a
> > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part of =
the
> > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of the
USGenWeb
> > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. If =
you
do
> > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are not
> > qualified.
> >
> > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
> > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of =
Work"
at
> > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >
> > >
> > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> > > --
> > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> > > Census Look Ups:
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project:
> > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time.
> > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
> > >
>
> --
> Veda Bragg Mendoza
> Census Look Ups:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> State Coordinator Ohio:
> http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm



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From: "Diane Parsons" <ky.quest@gte.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] RE: First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:51:10 -0400


I agree with the statement

Diane Montgomery Parsons




> Tim Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
> >
> > The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your
mouths,
> > so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
> >
> > "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> > http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only =
provides a
> > link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore =
is
not
> > eligible to run for the At-large position."
> >
> > If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to =
the
> > remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> > would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim

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From: TVick65536@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:01:02 EDT


I have a question:

Where in the by-laws are the Representative-At-Large Qualifications?

ARTICLE V. COMPOSITION OF ADVISORY BOARD The Advisory Board membership
shall consist of: the National Coordinator, four (4) State Coordinator
Regional Representatives, eight (8) Local Coordinator Regional
Representatives, one (1) representative each from The USGenWeb
Archives Project, The USGenWeb Census Project, and The USGenWeb
Tombstone Project, and beginning in 1999, one (1) at-large
representative. All shall have voting privileges except the National
Coordinator who shall vote only in the case of a tie. The regions from
which State Coordinator and Local Coordinator Representatives are
elected shall be decided by the Advisory Board on an annual basis.=20

Section 9. Nominees for National Coordinator shall have the following
qualifications: at least one year (the twelve months immediately
preceding an election) of continuous service and current activity as a
member in good standing, and eligibility to vote within The USGenWeb
Project. Qualifications of nominees for State Coordinator
Representative, Local Coordinator Representative, and Special Project
Representative are the same with the addition that their service shall
have been as a State Coordinator, Local Coordinator, or one of the
various positions associated with the Special Projects, respectively.
"In good standing" is demonstrated by responding promptly to email,
actively supporting researchers' efforts to find information,
maintaining their website with appropriate, up-to-date content, and
serving as a good example of the guidelines and standards of The
USGenWeb Project.

Am I not seeing it?

Tina



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:26:07 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010626011459.009eac10@mail.chattanooga.net>>


The main page says:

There are two terrific Census Projects run by
  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
  other can be accessed at
   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.


Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",=20
this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project=20
a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)

Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport for
>your comments:
>
>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
>
>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly Timm). =
The
>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
>
>Linda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>
>
> > Linda,
> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >
> > Veda
> >
> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> > >
> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about your
> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> > >
> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat is =
that
> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a =
position
>as
> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable to
> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that you =
are a
> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part =
of the
> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
>USGenWeb
> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. If =
you
>do
> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> > > qualified.
> > >
> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> > > > --
> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> > > > Census Look Ups:
> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:34:20 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Joy is correct. Working for a census project does not automatically make
one eligible to run for office or to vote. Eligiblity must be tested
against the Bylaws and the test passed.

Joe

Joy Fisher wrote:
>=20
> The main page says:
>=20
> There are two terrific Census Projects run by
>   USGenWeb Project members. One can be
>   accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
>   other can be accessed at
>    http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
>=20
> Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
>=20
> Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >your comments:
> >
> >From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >
> >Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >
> >Linda
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >
> >
> > > Linda,
> > > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> > > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> > > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> > > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> > > for Advisory Board positions.
> > >
> > > Veda
> > >
> > > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> > > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> > > >
> > > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> > > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a =
position
> >as
> > > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable to
> > > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are a
> > > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part =
of the
> > > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >USGenWeb
> > > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >do
> > > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> > > > qualified.
> > > >
> > > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> > > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> > > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> > > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> > > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> > > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> > > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> > > > > Census Look Ups:
> > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> > > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> > > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> > > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:38:03 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOGEGFCDAA.pamreid@home.com>>


Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.

The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.

"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
eligible to run for the At-large position."

If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
would prefer some rewording, please also include that.

Thanks,

Tim

At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
>I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
>to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
>To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
>
>
>The main page says:
>
>There are two terrific Census Projects run by
>  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
>  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
>  other can be accessed at
>   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
>
>
>Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
>this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
>a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
>
>Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
>At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
>>your comments:
>>
>>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
>>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
>>
>>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
>>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
>>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
>>
>>Linda
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
>>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>>
>>
>> > Linda,
>> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
>> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
>> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
>> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
>> > for Advisory Board positions.
>> >
>> > Veda
>> >
>> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
>> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
>> > >
>> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat is =
that
>> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
>position
>>as
>> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
>to
>> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that you =
are
>a
>> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part =
of
>the
>> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
>>USGenWeb
>> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
>>do
>> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
>> > > qualified.
>> > >
>> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.
>> > >
>> > > Linda
>> > >
>> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
>> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
>> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
>> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
>> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
>> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
>> > > > --
>> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
>> > > > Census Look Ups:
>> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
>> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
>> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
>> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
>
>
>



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:06:12 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>=20
> The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
> so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>=20
> "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides =
a
> link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
> eligible to run for the At-large position."
>=20
> If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
> remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Tim
>=20

Wording and content are fine with me.

-Isaiah


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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:14:26 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


Agree with the Statement.

Joe

Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>=20
> The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
> so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>=20
> "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides =
a
> link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
> eligible to run for the At-large position."
>=20
> If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
> remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:22:05 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


Sounds good to me.
George

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


> Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
> The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
> so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
> "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides =
a
> link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
> eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
> If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
> remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm).
The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is
that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you
are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If
you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:07:01 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


agree

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


> Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>=20
> The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
> so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>=20
> "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides =
a
> link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
> eligible to run for the At-large position."
>=20
> If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
> remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:08:12 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010626171926.00c7d350@mail.bright.net>>


Holly,
Why do you disagree?
George

On 26 Jun 01, at 17:19, Holly Timm wrote:

> disagree
>=20
> At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
> >
> >The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:42:19 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>> =
<<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOGEGFCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<v03130302b75eb7d7280f@[153.32.54.158]>>


At 03:58 PM 6/26/01 -0700, Teri Pettit wrote:
>I also think that this and all other policy issues should be
>discussed on Board-L, not Board-Exec-L.

This is not a policy issue - as it deals with a specific individual's
right to run for the AB at-large seat.

If it had been a discussion regarding whether or not folks that worked
for the http://www.us-census.org/  group were a member of the Project=20
or not because the Project had a link to their group, then that would
indeed need to be discussed on Board-l.

Tim


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From: "RootsLady" <RoosLady@lest-we-forget.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:33:54 -0500
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


I agree with the statement.

RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


> Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
> The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
> so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
> "As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
> http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides =
a
> link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
> eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
> If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
> remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content =
but
> would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
>
> At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm).
The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is
that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you
are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If
you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:03:17 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Joy Fisher wrote:

> Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
=20
Agree.
-Isaiah



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:23:16 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>

-----Original Message-----
From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


The main page says:

There are two terrific Census Projects run by
  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
  other can be accessed at
   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.


Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)

Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport for
>your comments:
>
>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
>
>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly Timm). =
The
>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
>
>Linda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>
>
> > Linda,
> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >
> > Veda
> >
> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> > >
> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about your
> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> > >
> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat is =
that
> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
position
>as
> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
to
> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that you =
are
a
> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part =
of
the
> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
>USGenWeb
> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. If =
you
>do
> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> > > qualified.
> > >
> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> > > > --
> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> > > > Census Look Ups:
> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:58:51 -0700
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOGEGFCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


Sounds good to me.

At 11:38 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:19:36 -0500
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disagree

At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:19:53 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010626171926.00c7d350@mail.bright.net>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>
In-Reply-To: <<200106270207.f5R27l506988@newmail.rootsweb.com>>


At 10:08 PM 6/26/01 -0400, George Waller wrote:
>Holly,
>Why do you disagree?
>George

Primarily because I find it an exclusionary attitude. Not long ago we =
were=20
discussing trying to find ways to resolve the situation with the CP's =
and=20
*make peace* and now we're basically excommunicating some one who has=20
worked long and hard for USGenWeb. Probably 99.9% of the workers in both =

census projects are involved in the project in other arenas as well so =
they=20
still have votes and eligibility, this person has instead devoted all =
her=20
time and energy to working with the census. Whether or not one considers =

that group the official group, I can at the very least consider all its=20
workers under the general special projects umbrella and accept =
eligibility=20
in that manner.

Holly


>On 26 Jun 01, at 17:19, Holly Timm wrote:
>
> > disagree
> >
> > At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
> > >
> > >The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your



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From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@Adobe.COM>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:58:17 -0700
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOGEGFCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


At 8:38 AM -0700 6/26/01, Tim Stowell wrote:
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.


Disagree.

However, I _also_ disagree with the Advisory Board declaring flat
out that the USGenWeb Census Project at http://www.us-census.org/
is a part of the USGenWeb Project. It shouldn't be up to the Board
alone.

As a single, individual project member, I prefer the approach that
Motion 00-10

 http://www.usgenweb.org/official/boardvotes-00-2.html#00-10

should be interpreted quite literally as declaring that there is
no relationship between the for-profit corporation USGenWeb Census
Project, Inc., but that Motion 00-10 did NOT sever the Special Project
relationship between the USGenWeb Project and the volunteer organization
USGenWeb Census Project whose coordinator was and is Ron Eason.

My belief is that the NON-profit USGenWeb Census Project whose
coordinator is Ron Eason is not the same entity as the no-longer-
in-existence FOR-profit corporation referred to in Motion 00-10,
so Motion 00-10 had no effect on the Special Project except to
declare that it was not associated with the for-profit corporation.
It did not affect the Special Project status of the USGenWeb Census
Project nor the membership standing of the volunteers to that project.

However, I don't think the personal interpretations held by myself
or the other Board members should be binding upon the Project as a
whole. For an issue this controversial and this important, we should
not rely upon the Advisory Board's opinions being a reliable
indicator of the Project as a whole. The Census Project history is
just too convoluted and ambiguous for such a tiny subset of the
Project membership to be making such a far-reaching decision that
affects the rights of a lot of people.

Instead, I think that it should be up to the project membership as
a whole to decide whether or not membership in one or the other of
the two Census Projects that we provide links to entails membership
in the USGenWeb Project, as ascertained by some means such as a
poll conducted on one of the many forum sites.

I also think that this and all other policy issues should be
discussed on Board-L, not Board-Exec-L.

-- Teri


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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:58:53 -0500
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I agree with the statement.

Betsy

At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >


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From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome <rainelane@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:18:13 -0400
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I disagree...

These folks have devoted long hard hours of work for this project. And =
I'm=20
not just saying Veda, I'm saying the census volunteers of both groups as =
a=20
whole.

At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm). The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@Adobe.COM>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:06:49 -0700
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010626231508.00b58e80@earthlink.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>>


At 8:30 PM -0700 6/26/01, Pam Reid wrote:
>While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and =
hard for
>the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project as
>a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
>recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of bringing =
them
>back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't =
recognize
>them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
>volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.


Pam,

But who is the "we" in "we don't recognize them as part of USGW"?

Seems to me as it is ONLY those project members who BOTH:

(A) Interpret Motion 00-10 broadly as severing the USGenWeb Special
    Project known as the USGenWeb Census Project and coordinated by
    Ron Eason even though that ISN'T what it says, instead of reading
    it literally, as severing a for-profit corporation named USGenWeb
    Census Project, Inc. and headed by Ron Eason.

(B) Interpret the By-Laws as allowing the Advisory Board the authority
    to sever a Special Project mentioned by name in the By-Laws, even
    though the By-Laws explicitly DENY the Advisory Board the authority
    to remove a Special Project's Coordinator.

    (I find it very hard to reconcile the notion that the Advisory
    Board can cast out a whole group of volunteers with the fact that
    the By-Laws don't even permit us to "fire" a single special project
    coordinator or state project coordinator no matter how strongly
    we disagree with that person's actions.)

We don't have any way of knowing whether that is a majority of the
Project members. The best thing to do would be to survey the project
members. But if there isn't time to do that, then it seems more
democratic to allow the members of contested groups to run, while
making it clear on the election materials that they are only a member
of the contested group and not a CC or SC.

All those project members who think that the contested group is
not really a part of the USGenWeb Project will not vote for any
candidates whose membership status they deny. Even many of the
project members who believe that the candidate's membership
standing is valid may prefer to vote for another candidate. So
the only way the contested candidate could win would be if the
majority of voters consider the USGenWeb Census Project coordinated
by Ron Eason to still be a bona-fide USGenWeb Special Project.

-- Teri


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From: KShort <kshort@kroo.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:01:52 -0500
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOGEGFCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<5.0.2.1.2.20010626071844.031e1530@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


At 10:38 AM 6/26/01, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim

Works for me.

Ken


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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:53:07 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010626113803.00928c20@mail.mccallie.org>>


I agree with the statement.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@mccallie.org]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:38 AM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.

The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.

"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
eligible to run for the At-large position."

If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
would prefer some rewording, please also include that.

Thanks,

Tim

At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
>I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably =
continue
>to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
>To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
>
>
>The main page says:
>
>There are two terrific Census Projects run by
>  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
>  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
>  other can be accessed at
>   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
>
>
>Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
>this does not automatically make every person who works for either =
project
>a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
>
>Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
>At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
>>your comments:
>>
>>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
>>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
>>
>>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll =
forward
>>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm).
The
>>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
>>
>>Linda
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
>>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>>
>>
>> > Linda,
>> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
>> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
>> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
>> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
>> > for Advisory Board positions.
>> >
>> > Veda
>> >
>> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
>> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
>> > >
>> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat is
that
>> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
>position
>>as
>> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been =
unable
>to
>> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that you =
are
>a
>> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a part =
of
>the
>> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
>>USGenWeb
>> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If
you
>>do
>> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
>> > > qualified.
>> > >
>> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.
>> > >
>> > > Linda
>> > >
>> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
>> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
>> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
>> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
>> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
>> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
>> > > > --
>> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
>> > > > Census Look Ups:
>> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
>> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
>> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
>> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
>
>
>



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Another Question
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:37:03 -0700


Someone in IAGenWeb has registered IAGenWeb.org.

Someone else commented: "I did not realize that you were going to
register
IAGenWeb.org. I am not sure if you are aware of the controversies in the
project about doing that sort of thing."

Comments?

-Isaiah

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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:30:46 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010626231508.00b58e80@earthlink.net>>


While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and hard =
for
the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project as
a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of bringing =
them
back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't recognize
them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome [mailto:rainelane@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:18 PM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


I disagree...

These folks have devoted long hard hours of work for this project. And =
I'm
not just saying Veda, I'm saying the census volunteers of both groups as =
a
whole.

At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm).
The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is
that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you
are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If
you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:30:46 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010626231508.00b58e80@earthlink.net>>


While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and hard =
for
the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project as
a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of bringing =
them
back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't recognize
them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome [mailto:rainelane@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:18 PM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


I disagree...

These folks have devoted long hard hours of work for this project. And =
I'm
not just saying Veda, I'm saying the census volunteers of both groups as =
a
whole.

At 11:38 AM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for those of you who have provided comments.
>
>The question though remains - ie I don't want to put words in your =
mouths,
>so I'm asking for a plain answer to the following statement.
>
>"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
>http://www.us-census.org/, a group to which the Project only provides a
>link to, she is not a member of the USGenWeb Project and therefore is =
not
>eligible to run for the At-large position."
>
>If you agree/disagree with that statement, please indicate that to the
>remainder of us.   If you agree with the statement above in content but
>would prefer some rewording, please also include that.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>At 11:23 AM 6/26/01 -0400, Pam Reid wrote:
> >I agree with Joy.  Unfortunately this kind of thing will probably
continue
> >to occur.  I am sure that it is just a way to force the CP issue.  =
<sigh>
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Joy Fisher [mailto:jfisher@ucla.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:26 AM
> >To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
> >
> >
> >The main page says:
> >
> >There are two terrific Census Projects run by
> >  USGenWeb Project members. One can be
> >  accessed at http://www.us-census.org/. The
> >  other can be accessed at
> >   http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/.
> >
> >
> >Just because we link to both projects and they are "run by USGW =
members",
> >this does not automatically make every person who works for either
project
> >a voting, card-carrying member of USGenWeb. (IMHO)
> >
> >Some parts of original message (below) snipped for brevity:
> >At 01:14 AM 26 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >>This issue has been forwarded by the EC Chairperson Linda Davenport =
for
> >>your comments:
> >>
> >>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>To: "Veda Mendoza" <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>Cc: "Holly" <hollyft@bright.net>, "Tim" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:13:42 -0500
> >>
> >>Veda: I think it would best if your answer came from the AB. I'll
forward
> >>this message to the NC (Tim Stowell) and the Rep at Large (Holly =
Timm).
The
> >>EC will certainly abide by the decision made by the AB.
> >>
> >>Linda
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net>
> >>To: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:46 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >>
> >>
> >> > Linda,
> >> > I have been a part of the USGenWeb Census project
> >> > for 4 or 5 years.  If you will check the link at
> >> > http://www.usgenweb.org/ you will see that we are
> >> > members of USGenWeb.  I believe that qualifies me
> >> > for Advisory Board positions.
> >> >
> >> > Veda
> >> >
> >> > Linda Haas Davenport wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Veda: I'm so sorry that no one has gotten back with you about =
your
> >> > > nomination.  Please accept my apology.
> >> > >
> >> > > One of the requirements for running for an Advisory Board seat =
is
that
> >> > > person must be a member of the USGenWeb Project and have held a
> >position
> >>as
> >> > > a volunteer for 12 months prior to the Election. We have been
unable
> >to
> >> > > confirm that you have such a position. We have confirmed that =
you
are
> >a
> >> > > volunteer for the USGenWeb Census Project but that is not a =
part of
> >the
> >> > > USGenWeb Project. If we are mistaken and you are a volunteer of =
the
> >>USGenWeb
> >> > > Project would you please forward your state or county web site. =
If
you
> >>do
> >> > > not hold such a position with the USGenWeb Project then you are =
not
> >> > > qualified.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once again I'm so sorry for the delay in getting back with you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:13 PM
> >> > > Subject: [EC] Fwd: nomination
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Veda Mendoza <vedamen@ev1.net> wrote:
> >> > > > > I was nominated for the At Large and accepted.  I
> >> > > > sent you my information but am not listed as a
> >> > > > nominee.  Is there a problem.  I did not receive
> >> > > > any notice that I would not be listed.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Veda Bragg Mendoza
> >> > > > Census Look Ups:
> >> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/
> >> > > > The USGenWeb Census Project: http://US-Census.Org/
> >> > > > State Coordinator Ohio:
> >> > > > http://www.us-census.org/states/ohio/ohio.htm
> >
> >
> >



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:44:07 -0700
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>>


Pam Reid wrote:
>=20
> While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and =
hard for
> the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project as
> a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
> recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of =
bringing them
> back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't =
recognize
> them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
> volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.
>=20
> Pam

I agree with Pam.=20

Also I question that this is a "Links" issue. It seems to be a broader
one that would arise whether or not there was a link to Ron's census
project.

If someone feels there is action the Board should take they should move
this issue to Board-L by making a motion there.

-Isaiah
--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:18:41 -0400
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<3B396497.E86B351@cs.com>>


There are two census projects.  I have many folks that won't even get to
vote because we are not a part of the USGWP either and they only work in =
our
project.  As it stands now the census project volunteers of both =
projects
are essentially lumped in with the "lookup volunteers" and that is the =
only
status members of our projects could officially hold.

Since the bylaws stipulate that "lookup volunteers" may not vote, it =
seems
to follow that if a person does not have the right to vote then they =
can't
run for office.

Maggie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


Pam Reid wrote:
>
> While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and =
hard
for
> the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project
as
> a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
> recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of =
bringing
them
> back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't =
recognize
> them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
> volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.
>
> Pam

I agree with Pam.

Also I question that this is a "Links" issue. It seems to be a broader
one that would arise whether or not there was a link to Ron's census
project.

If someone feels there is action the Board should take they should move
this issue to Board-L by making a motion there.

-Isaiah
--
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:56:56 -0400
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<3B396497.E86B351@cs.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<040d01c0fec8$d1af1300$0300a8c0@local.net>>


At 01:18 AM 6/27/01 -0400, you wrote:
>There are two census projects.  I have many folks that won't even get =
to
>vote because we are not a part of the USGWP either and they only work =
in our
>project.  As it stands now the census project volunteers of both =
projects
>are essentially lumped in with the "lookup volunteers" and that is the =
only
>status members of our projects could officially hold.
>
>Since the bylaws stipulate that "lookup volunteers" may not vote, it =
seems
>to follow that if a person does not have the right to vote then they =
can't
>run for office.
>
>Maggie

Even before I'd read Maggie's response, I got to wondering what criteria =
the
EC is using for voting members.

In other words, are the members of the two census projects who work
exclusively
there included in the voter rolls?

Shari, would you address this with Linda and/or the EC?

Tim



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:49:04 -0400
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<3B396497.E86B351@cs.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010627105656.007ce3c0@mail.mccallie.org>>


I have just posted the question to the EC list and will let you know =
when I receive an answer.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


> At 01:18 AM 6/27/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >There are two census projects.  I have many folks that won't even get =
to
> >vote because we are not a part of the USGWP either and they only work =
in our
> >project.  As it stands now the census project volunteers of both =
projects
> >are essentially lumped in with the "lookup volunteers" and that is =
the only
> >status members of our projects could officially hold.
> >
> >Since the bylaws stipulate that "lookup volunteers" may not vote, it =
seems
> >to follow that if a person does not have the right to vote then they =
can't
> >run for office.
> >
> >Maggie
>=20
> Even before I'd read Maggie's response, I got to wondering what =
criteria the
> EC is using for voting members.
>=20
> In other words, are the members of the two census projects who work
> exclusively
> there included in the voter rolls?
>=20
> Shari, would you address this with Linda and/or the EC?
>=20
> Tim



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:27:50 -0500
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOKEGOCDAA.pamreid@home.com>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010626231508.00b58e80@earthlink.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<v03130300b75f06e2ba63@[153.32.54.158]>>


Excellent thoughts Teri.... and certainly with only a few days before =
the=20
start of the election the only fair option.

At 09:06 PM 6/26/01 -0700, Teri wrote:
>     (I find it very hard to reconcile the notion that the Advisory
>     Board can cast out a whole group of volunteers with the fact that
>     the By-Laws don't even permit us to "fire" a single special =
project
>     coordinator or state project coordinator no matter how strongly
>     we disagree with that person's actions.)
>
>We don't have any way of knowing whether that is a majority of the
>Project members. The best thing to do would be to survey the project
>members. But if there isn't time to do that, then it seems more
>democratic to allow the members of contested groups to run, while
>making it clear on the election materials that they are only a member
>of the contested group and not a CC or SC.
>
>All those project members who think that the contested group is
>not really a part of the USGenWeb Project will not vote for any
>candidates whose membership status they deny. Even many of the
>project members who believe that the candidate's membership
>standing is valid may prefer to vote for another candidate. So
>the only way the contested candidate could win would be if the
>majority of voters consider the USGenWeb Census Project coordinated
>by Ron Eason to still be a bona-fide USGenWeb Special Project.
>
>-- Teri



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] EC update
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:40:05 -0400


Hi all,

Just an early "heads-up" for you . . .

The EC guidelines called for voting software that would allow for =
multiple votes (each subsequent one cancelling the
previous one as a voter changed his or her mind).

Linda has let the EC know that, due to the difficulty in programming the =
software that way, it was not possible to
configure it so that each voter could vote multiple times, with only the =
final vote counting.

Each voter will be able to vote ONLY once for each position they are =
eligible to participate in.  If they change their
mind after they've cast their vote . . . there is nothing that they can =
do.

Linda says she's going to plaster this info everywhere so that folks =
will be aware that they won't be able to change
their vote, but we know that sometimes people don't read things =
carefully.

Thought you'd want to know.

Thanks,

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:25:49 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<v03130300b75f06e2ba63@[153.32.54.158]>>


I fully support bringing the CP back into USGW and I have no problem
personally with allowing each and every volunteer to have a vote.  =
Still,
the fact remains that the relationship with the CP was severed and has =
not
been renewed.  Attempts to reconcile have been unsuccessful.  I have =
high
hopes that future attempts will prove more successful.  This board voted =
to
severe the relationship with the CP.  Perhaps it wasn't handled =
correctly,
but that is what occured.

Perhaps the CP issue should be put to a general vote of the USGW =
membership.
Perhaps that is what should have been done before.  But, until some =
steps
are taken to officially recognize the CP as part of USGW, it doesn't =
make
sense to have its volunteers run for USGW office.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: Teri Pettit [mailto:pettit@Adobe.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:07 AM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


At 8:30 PM -0700 6/26/01, Pam Reid wrote:
>While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and =
hard
for
>the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project
as
>a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
>recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of bringing
them
>back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't =
recognize
>them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
>volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.


Pam,

But who is the "we" in "we don't recognize them as part of USGW"?

Seems to me as it is ONLY those project members who BOTH:

(A) Interpret Motion 00-10 broadly as severing the USGenWeb Special
    Project known as the USGenWeb Census Project and coordinated by
    Ron Eason even though that ISN'T what it says, instead of reading
    it literally, as severing a for-profit corporation named USGenWeb
    Census Project, Inc. and headed by Ron Eason.

(B) Interpret the By-Laws as allowing the Advisory Board the authority
    to sever a Special Project mentioned by name in the By-Laws, even
    though the By-Laws explicitly DENY the Advisory Board the authority
    to remove a Special Project's Coordinator.

    (I find it very hard to reconcile the notion that the Advisory
    Board can cast out a whole group of volunteers with the fact that
    the By-Laws don't even permit us to "fire" a single special project
    coordinator or state project coordinator no matter how strongly
    we disagree with that person's actions.)

We don't have any way of knowing whether that is a majority of the
Project members. The best thing to do would be to survey the project
members. But if there isn't time to do that, then it seems more
democratic to allow the members of contested groups to run, while
making it clear on the election materials that they are only a member
of the contested group and not a CC or SC.

All those project members who think that the contested group is
not really a part of the USGenWeb Project will not vote for any
candidates whose membership status they deny. Even many of the
project members who believe that the candidate's membership
standing is valid may prefer to vote for another candidate. So
the only way the contested candidate could win would be if the
majority of voters consider the USGenWeb Census Project coordinated
by Ron Eason to still be a bona-fide USGenWeb Special Project.

-- Teri



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:49:39 -0400
References: <<AFENIEEPCABGOMLKBEOOEEHCCDAA.pamreid@home.com>>


I agree with you, Pam. =20

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue


> I fully support bringing the CP back into USGW and I have no problem
> personally with allowing each and every volunteer to have a vote.  =
Still,
> the fact remains that the relationship with the CP was severed and has =
not
> been renewed.  Attempts to reconcile have been unsuccessful.  I have =
high
> hopes that future attempts will prove more successful.  This board =
voted to
> severe the relationship with the CP.  Perhaps it wasn't handled =
correctly,
> but that is what occured.
>=20
> Perhaps the CP issue should be put to a general vote of the USGW =
membership.
> Perhaps that is what should have been done before.  But, until some =
steps
> are taken to officially recognize the CP as part of USGW, it doesn't =
make
> sense to have its volunteers run for USGW office.
>=20
> Pam
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teri Pettit [mailto:pettit@Adobe.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:07 AM
> To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] First Links issue
>=20
>=20
> At 8:30 PM -0700 6/26/01, Pam Reid wrote:
> >While I agree completely that these volunteers have worked long and =
hard
> for
> >the Census Project, the fact remains that we don't recognize that =
Project
> as
> >a part of USGW.  This is not to say that I feel it is right that we =
don't
> >recognize them as part of USGW (I have been a big proponent of =
bringing
> them
> >back into the fold), I am just stating a fact.  Since we don't =
recognize
> >them as part of USGW, it doesn't make sense to allow people who only
> >volunteer for that Project to run for USGW office.
>=20
>=20
> Pam,
>=20
> But who is the "we" in "we don't recognize them as part of USGW"?
>=20
> Seems to me as it is ONLY those project members who BOTH:
>=20
> (A) Interpret Motion 00-10 broadly as severing the USGenWeb Special
>     Project known as the USGenWeb Census Project and coordinated by
>     Ron Eason even though that ISN'T what it says, instead of reading
>     it literally, as severing a for-profit corporation named USGenWeb
>     Census Project, Inc. and headed by Ron Eason.
>=20
> (B) Interpret the By-Laws as allowing the Advisory Board the authority
>     to sever a Special Project mentioned by name in the By-Laws, even
>     though the By-Laws explicitly DENY the Advisory Board the =
authority
>     to remove a Special Project's Coordinator.
>=20
>     (I find it very hard to reconcile the notion that the Advisory
>     Board can cast out a whole group of volunteers with the fact that
>     the By-Laws don't even permit us to "fire" a single special =
project
>     coordinator or state project coordinator no matter how strongly
>     we disagree with that person's actions.)
>=20
> We don't have any way of knowing whether that is a majority of the
> Project members. The best thing to do would be to survey the project
> members. But if there isn't time to do that, then it seems more
> democratic to allow the members of contested groups to run, while
> making it clear on the election materials that they are only a member
> of the contested group and not a CC or SC.
>=20
> All those project members who think that the contested group is
> not really a part of the USGenWeb Project will not vote for any
> candidates whose membership status they deny. Even many of the
> project members who believe that the candidate's membership
> standing is valid may prefer to vote for another candidate. So
> the only way the contested candidate could win would be if the
> majority of voters consider the USGenWeb Census Project coordinated
> by Ron Eason to still be a bona-fide USGenWeb Special Project.
>=20
> -- Teri
>



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:18:31 -0700


Anybody know this guy?

It bothers me when someone who is "outside the box" is telling me what =
to=20
do. Makes me want to hold my pocketbook a little tighter.

Wonder what his ulterior motive is?

>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:48:49 -0700
>From: Tom & Joyce Pfeifer <tj54@goodnet.com>
>Subject: USGW vote
>To: jfisher@ucla.edu
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
>
>An open letter to all USGW members,
>
>Here we are in June and again there are problems facing the USGW.  Two =
years

<rest snipped>

>Tom Pfeifer,
>a non-voting concerned researcher who is outside the box, looking in.
>tj54@goodnet.com


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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:46:06 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010628011442.03203b70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Not I. Sounds like a reincarnation of a failed advisor from the past.

Joe

Joy Fisher wrote:
>=20
> Anybody know this guy?
>=20
> It bothers me when someone who is "outside the box" is telling me what =
to
> do. Makes me want to hold my pocketbook a little tighter.
>=20
> Wonder what his ulterior motive is?
>=20
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:48:49 -0700
> >From: Tom & Joyce Pfeifer <tj54@goodnet.com>
> >Subject: USGW vote
> >To: jfisher@ucla.edu
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
> >
> >An open letter to all USGW members,
> >
> >Here we are in June and again there are problems facing the USGW.  =
Two years
>=20
> <rest snipped>
>=20
> >Tom Pfeifer,
> >a non-voting concerned researcher who is outside the box, looking in.
> >tj54@goodnet.com

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:54:32 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010628011442.03203b70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Nope . . . I was thinking the same thing. =20

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Joy Fisher" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:18 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote


> Anybody know this guy?
>=20
> It bothers me when someone who is "outside the box" is telling me what =
to=20
> do. Makes me want to hold my pocketbook a little tighter.
>=20
> Wonder what his ulterior motive is?
>=20
> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:48:49 -0700
> >From: Tom & Joyce Pfeifer <tj54@goodnet.com>
> >Subject: USGW vote
> >To: jfisher@ucla.edu
> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
> >
> >An open letter to all USGW members,
> >
> >Here we are in June and again there are problems facing the USGW.  =
Two years
>=20
> <rest snipped>
>=20
> >Tom Pfeifer,
> >a non-voting concerned researcher who is outside the box, looking in.
> >tj54@goodnet.com



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] somewhat out of contact
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 08:51:55 -0500


For the next ten days, I may have limited contact due to limited =
computer=20
access. My pride and joy is our home *office* --- pictures from the=20
extensive renovations we did two years ago:
	http://www.timmweb.pair.com/jeff/renovations/index.html

Anyway, we need to clean the carpet and deal with some cabling and other =

technical problems and since my husband has the coming week off we will =
be=20
uprooting everything in the office beginning today and hopefully being =
back=20
together a week form tomorrow. My computer will be set up in the kitchen =

but time and opportunity to get on will be limited.

Holly


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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Election technical issue
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:06:08 -0500
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010630020213.00958de0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<002101c101d1$18dfd740$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


I just don't see a reason to allow folks to change their vote.  I have=20
never seen that done anywhere.  If the person is unsure, then they =
should=20
wait until the last day to vote.  The EC has made this software pretty =
much=20
hands-off from what they are saying and I think we should keep it that =
way.

Betsy


At 09:56 PM 6/30/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Last year *many* people voted, revoted, and voted yet again, all the =
way=20
>up to the closing of the polls.  If we forced
>the EC to manually handle that, it would be absolute mayhem.
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:02 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Election technical issue
>
>
> > Since the EC has said that for technical reasons voters this year
> > would get only one chance at voting for x office would the Board
> > consider asking the EC to allow either notes of change be sent
> > to x persons or some other venue to allow this?
> >
> > Tim


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Election technical issue
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 21:56:50 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010630020213.00958de0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Last year *many* people voted, revoted, and voted yet again, all the way =
up to the closing of the polls.  If we forced
the EC to manually handle that, it would be absolute mayhem.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 2:02 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Election technical issue


> Since the EC has said that for technical reasons voters this year
> would get only one chance at voting for x office would the Board
> consider asking the EC to allow either notes of change be sent
> to x persons or some other venue to allow this?
>
> Tim



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Election technical issue
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:02:13 -0400


Since the EC has said that for technical reasons voters this year
would get only one chance at voting for x office would the Board
consider asking the EC to allow either notes of change be sent
to x persons or some other venue to allow this?

Tim


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - vote
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:25:52 -0400


>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:40:55 -0600
From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net>
>To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>
>Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - =
vote
>
>Holly and Sue, et. al.,
>
>When I look at the title, "QueryExpress", I know it refers to a =
specific
>system, but in context of our need, I see it as a generic system, one =
we can
>mold to our needs.
>
>One shoe has dropped and the entity that dropped that shoe did so with =
a
>contempt and disregard for input from those of us who they expect will =
use
>the system; But
>Worse yet, it was done with uncommon arrogance, and transparent =
purpose.
>
>If Ancestry don't need CCs and administrators, and will not support =
their
>needs, then who needs Ancestry. Let them run their system themselves =
without
>help from us.
>
>The second shoe will drop too, and with it will go our mailing lists =
and
>county pages.
>They arrogantly think that no one will front them because they provide =
free
>server space; Therefore, they can do anything they want with our data, =
and
>with our pages.
>
>It make prudent sense to me for USGenWeb to be able to function without
>having to pay homage to a commercial enterprise, thus give up our
>independence.
>
>I am not advocating making careless or quick moves. I just advocate =
reading
>the danger signals, the handwriting on the wall, and I encourage us to =
take
>action to protect USGenWeb. I don't think Ancestry intends to do that =
for
>us.
>
>Don Kelly
>
>
>



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - vote
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:24:37 -0400


>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:24:22 -0600
>From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net>
>To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>
>Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - =
vote
>
>It wouldn't take much improvement to beat what we have. What we have =
was
>very obviously rebuilt to aid Ancestry.Com, not the submitters or board
>administrators.
>What we have down right hostile to us, and indicative of the low regard
>Ancestry Com has for USGW CCs and other coordinators.
>
>Peace to all who enter this house
>Donald O'Collaugh Kelly
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Betsy Mills" <betsym@1starnet.com>
>To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:05 PM
>Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - vote
>
>
>Tim, could you please ask if folks are through discussing before =
calling
>for the vote or something?  I was waiting to hear if anyone was going =
to
>volunteer for this committee so we would know if it is even feasible to =
set
>one up.  I also would prefer that the committee see if it is feasible =
to
>"implement changes in it to make it at least as user friendly as =
GenConnect
>was."  I also hate to see wording in the motion to promote a system =
before
>it is even known if it can be improved, etc.
>
>Betsy
>
>
>
>At 03:30 PM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>The motion made by Isaiah, seconded by Joe:
>>
>>"I move that the Board immediately establish a committee to
>>improve the QueryExpress system and to implement changes in it to make
>>it at least as user friendly as GenConnect was, and that the Committee
>>and the Board promote its use by all USGW state and county sites."
>>
>>
>>Seeing no further discussion on this motion, please cast your vote
>>accordingly.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Tim
>
>
>
>



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - vote
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:24:13 -0400


>Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:06:40 -0600
>From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net>
>To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>
>Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - =
vote
>
>Isaiah,
>
>Not just a good motion, but a GREAT MOTION. We need control of our =
query
>boards,the archives they generate, and our mailing lists.
>
>"One small step for mankind, one big step for USGenWeb"
>
>Peace to all who enter this house
>Donald O'Collaugh Kelly
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
>To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:30 PM
>Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 01-23 QueryExpress - vote
>
>
>The motion made by Isaiah, seconded by Joe:
>
>"I move that the Board immediately establish a committee to
>improve the QueryExpress system and to implement changes in it to make
>it at least as user friendly as GenConnect was, and that the Committee
>and the Board promote its use by all USGW state and county sites."
>
>
>Seeing no further discussion on this motion, please cast your vote
>accordingly.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>

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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:34:58 -0500
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010628011442.03203b70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<009c01c0ffd1$7ac8c680$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Well, so far I have found that he was/is a Donor to RootsWeb downgraded =
to=20
a Sponsor at the end, a big user of the RootsWeb surname lists, a board=20
admin, and mad at RootsWeb because RootsWeb didn't go non-profit.

Hmmmm.

Betsy


At 08:54 AM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Nope . . . I was thinking the same thing.
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Fisher" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:18 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
>
>
> > Anybody know this guy?
> >
> > It bothers me when someone who is "outside the box" is telling me =
what to
> > do. Makes me want to hold my pocketbook a little tighter.
> >
> > Wonder what his ulterior motive is?
> >
> > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:48:49 -0700
> > >From: Tom & Joyce Pfeifer <tj54@goodnet.com>
> > >Subject: USGW vote
> > >To: jfisher@ucla.edu
> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
> > >
> > >An open letter to all USGW members,
> > >
> > >Here we are in June and again there are problems facing the USGW.  =
Two=20
> years
> >
> > <rest snipped>
> >
> > >Tom Pfeifer,
> > >a non-voting concerned researcher who is outside the box, looking =
in.
> > >tj54@goodnet.com



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:12:14 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010628011442.03203b70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Joy,

I remember his name from the Census Project from a long time ago.  I =
think
he was a transcriber or proofreader.  If you really want to know I can =
try
and scrounge through my old stuff

Maggie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Fisher" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:18 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote


Anybody know this guy?

It bothers me when someone who is "outside the box" is telling me what =
to
do. Makes me want to hold my pocketbook a little tighter.

Wonder what his ulterior motive is?

>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 21:48:49 -0700
>From: Tom & Joyce Pfeifer <tj54@goodnet.com>
>Subject: USGW vote
>To: jfisher@ucla.edu
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
>
>An open letter to all USGW members,
>
>Here we are in June and again there are problems facing the USGW.  Two
years

<rest snipped>

>Tom Pfeifer,
>a non-voting concerned researcher who is outside the box, looking in.
>tj54@goodnet.com



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:38:29 -0700
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010628011442.03203b70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>
In-Reply-To: <<002b01c0fffe$140c4b60$0300a8c0@local.net>>


That's OK, Maggie

He's not dating my daughter, so I don't need a full character report. I=20
just wanted to find out where he is coming from. It explains the Fred=20
Smoot, Ron Eason and John Rigdon reference.

Thanks for replying.

At 02:12 PM 28 06 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Joy,
>
>I remember his name from the Census Project from a long time ago.  I =
think
>he was a transcriber or proofreader.  If you really want to know I can =
try
>and scrounge through my old stuff
>
>Maggie
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Fisher" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 4:18 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Fwd: USGW vote
>
>
>Anybody know this guy?


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:59:00 -0400


FYI . . . The ESC *did* decide that AB members could serve on the EC, =
although apparantly Linda would like us to forget
that.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation


> Shari is correct. I was the main opponent (on the ESC) to having an AB
> member serve on the EC. This was one of the votes that was very close =
I
> believe.
>
> I felt that the election committee needed to be completely outside of =
the
> politics of the project and if an AB member served on the EC then, no =
matter
> how honest and sincere the AB member was, the membership would still =
believe
> the AB controlled the EC. The EC already has 2 AB members and even if =
they
> are ex-officio members they are still on the EC overseeing everything =
that
> goes on.
>
> However, this is something that can be left until after the election. =
Right
> now we've got other things to do.
>
> Linda
>
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
> Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of =
Work" at
> http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shari Handley <shari@tyaskin.com>
> To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>
>
> > (correct me if I'm wrong) but when the
> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the =
election
> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who =
served on
> the
> > > AB couldn't be on the EC.
> >
> > While it is true that anyone running for office cannot be on the EC, =
there
> is no such prohibition of persons currently
> > serving on the AB.  If I recall correctly, there was some discussion =
as to
> whether AB members were eligible to serve on
> > the EC, in the end it was decided that there was no compelling (or =
fair)
> reason to exclude them out of hand, as long as
> > they were not running for office.
> >
> > Here's the relevant section from the EC guidelines:
> >
> > "Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for
> membership in the EC unless they are
> > presently running for office. EC members who decide to run for =
office must
> immediately withdraw from the
> > EC and its mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator and =
the
> Representative-at-Large. Should both
> > of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another =
Board
> member who is not currently
> > running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until =
after the
> election. "
> >
> > Shari Handley
> > shari@tyaskin.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Bob. If I remember correctly  (correct me if I'm wrong) but =
when
> the
> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the =
election
> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who =
served on
> the
> > > AB couldn't be on the EC. Although not written into the Guidelines =
the
> > > understanding was that if an EC member didn't win a seat that they =
would
> > > come back to the committee. That was one of the reasons for adding =
the
> > > clause that if extra help was needed during the election process =
that
> the EC
> > > could have extra temporary members to help out.
> > >
> > > It was under this "extra help" clause that Michael and Larry and =
Loren
> were
> > > subbed to the list.
> > >
> > > Why don't you add this item to the BB questions? That way everyone =
can
> have
> > > a chance to comment.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
> > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of =
Work"
> at
> > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: BOB CHADA <bchada@flash.net>
> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> > >
> > >
> > > > From what I can see in the EC Guidelines, there are two areas =
that
> address
> > > this.  They are:
> > > >
> > > > "For members who need to be replaced within the term due to
> resignation or
> > > > continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be chosen from =
the
> > > volunteer pool by
> > > > the EC committee thru a majority vote. This majority opinion =
shall be
> > > forwarded to the
> > > > Advisory Board for final approval."
> > > >
> > > > and "EC members who decide to run for office must immediately =
withdraw
> > > from the EC and its mailing list."
> > > >
> > > > Unless I have missed something, I don't see anything that says =
to me
> that
> > > they can automatically return, but I would agree that if
> > > > this is an issue, we need to address it on the BB.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AliceJeanMiller@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Does that mean if we pick a replacement for Kathy, the =
replacement
> is
> > > only temporary?
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001  5:42:02 AM Eastern =
Daylight
> Time,
> > > "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > << Keith If I'm not mistaken the way the Guidelines are set up =
Kathy
> can
> > > come
> > > > > back as can Tim and Holly if they don't win. For Tim & Holly =
it
> would
> > > only
> > > > > be until the new NC and RAL take over in Sep. For an EC =
member, if
> they
> > > > > don't win, they can come back until their term on the EC is =
over.
> The
> > > ESC
> > > > > just wanted to be sure that the AB people and the EC people =
could
> not be
> > > on
> > > > > the committee while an election was going on to be sure that =
there
> would
> > > be
> > > > > no possibility of the membership claiming that the vote was =
tampered
> > > with
> > > > > because we had candidates on the committee.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the anyone  would like this to be different then it's one =
of the
> > > things
> > > > > we need to add to the BB for discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda
> > > > >
> > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> > > > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> > > > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> > > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n =
n.c
> > > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The =
Scopes of
> Work"
> > > at
> > > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Keith Giddeon <keith@giddeon.com>
> > > > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:36 AM
> > > > > Subject: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> > > > >
> > > > > > I meant to bring this up last week, but it was quite a busy =
time
> for
> > > us.
> > > > > > When Kathy resigned, I got the distinct feeling she thought =
she
> was
> > > > > > coming back if she failed in her candidacy.
> > > > > > I fear the backlash if this would occur. Resigning doesn't =
mean,
> leave
> > > > > > of absence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Keith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com!
> > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > =
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> > > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve &
> Celebrate
> > > > > your heritage!
> > > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog
> > > > >
> > > > >  >>
> > > > >
> > > > > =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to =
the
> #1
> > > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> > > > >
> =
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bob Chada
> > > > bchada@flash.net
> > > > Logan County, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > > Co-CC and Archivist, Logan County, OK:
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm
> > > > Co-Archivist, Randolph County, AR:
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ar/randolph/randolph.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project:
> > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time.
> > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =
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> > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the =
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> > > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> > > =
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> >
> >
> > =
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> > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the =
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> > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> > =
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> >



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:04:14 -0400


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>; <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:25 AM
Subject: SP volunteers


> Shari will you please forward this to the AB in answer to their =
question?
> **************
>=20
> I have verified that all SP volunteers are listed on the membership =
roll.
> This includes the Census Project, the Tombstone Project and the =
Archives
> (both state and county). The SP managers did not respond to the EC's =
request
> for a list of their members and the names and e-mail addresses were =
gathered
> by hand. Because of that it is possible that some people have been =
missed.
>=20
> At this time the CP volunteers for Ron Eason's CP are not included in =
the
> membership list. If these volunteers are to be included the EC will =
need to
> be officially notified by the AB.
>=20
> If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
>=20
>=20
> Linda Haas Davenport
> Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee
>=20
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>


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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:49:55 -0400
References: <<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Shari,

I personally have had major problems with the EC from the start.  First =
they
listed me as accepted before I received the nomination, then I went to =
the
page and I was listed as having declined a position I never knew I was
nominated for at all.  Then another nomination came in and they randomly
decided that they wouldn't accept it because I had already accepted =
another.
This I straightened out with Linda personally because that is what I
considered the right thing to do in this case.  Then I accepted the last
nomination and they listed me in the wrong place on the final ballot.  =
For
the last she informed me that she never received it and fixed the =
problem.
Needless to say I have little confidence in her ability to run the =
election
or the integrity of this election.

I received no request for CP members (I also sent Linda a note that Joy =
was
compiling a list of Archives members.) and the majority of my SCCs are =
not
involved in any other part of the USGWP.  (In my history with Linda she
seems to use not receiving emails as an excuse for every problem.)  From =
the
motions and comments from many of the AB members I took it that we =
weren't
really a part of the USGWP because we aren't part of Ron's group.  The
feeling coming across to me and many other members of my project is that =
we
aren't part of the project.

I have some questions.

Where is the EC report that we should have had?

You made a comment about only one vote, doesn't that go against the ECs
basic guidelines?  Doesn't that then violate our Bylaws since it was =
passed
as a motion?  If the CCs only have one vote isn't that going to cause
problems?  The voters will either a)wait until the last minute and =
overload
the polls or b)not bother to vote and thus decrease turnout.

Does the EC have a backup plan in place for voting in case something =
happens
as it did last year and the voting place has to be changed?

I am receiving four copies of everything from the EC mailing list even
though I was very specific about which of my multitude of emails they =
should
use and carefully explained to each regional EC representative.  Does =
this
mean I get four votes?  Is there some backup method in place to prevent =
this
from happening?

Are the candidates being screened for being members in good standing?  =
All I
got was a question if I had been in the project for one year.

Are members going to receive ballots this year?

Are voting results going to be posted publicly?

What are the details of the voting method for this election?

When is the test going to be made?

How secure is the confidentiality of voter choices?

Maggie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>; <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:25 AM
Subject: SP volunteers


> Shari will you please forward this to the AB in answer to their =
question?
> **************
>
> I have verified that all SP volunteers are listed on the membership =
roll.
> This includes the Census Project, the Tombstone Project and the =
Archives
> (both state and county). The SP managers did not respond to the EC's
request
> for a list of their members and the names and e-mail addresses were
gathered
> by hand. Because of that it is possible that some people have been =
missed.
>
> At this time the CP volunteers for Ron Eason's CP are not included in =
the
> membership list. If these volunteers are to be included the EC will =
need
to
> be officially notified by the AB.
>
> If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
>
>
> Linda Haas Davenport
> Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee
>
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>


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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:28:39 -0500
References: <<052401c0fffa$c23a9560$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010628145146.0092b700@mail.mccallie.org>>


At 02:51 PM 6/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Are the candidates being screened for being members in good standing? =
 All I
> >got was a question if I had been in the project for one year.
>
>Holly can correct me if this is wrong, but I believe the EC decided =
early
>on that it was not their job to ascertain whether or not a member was =
in
>good standing.

Tim is correct.No USGW Project members have been declared not in good=20
standing by the board and the EC will not make such a judgement itself. =
IF=20
there had been any project members so declared, the EC would have taken=20
that into account.

Holly



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:51:46 -0400
References: <<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<052401c0fffa$c23a9560$0300a8c0@local.net>>


Answering what I can of your questions.

At 01:49 PM 6/28/01 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
>I have some questions.

>Are the candidates being screened for being members in good standing?  =
All I
>got was a question if I had been in the project for one year.

Holly can correct me if this is wrong, but I believe the EC decided =
early
on that it was not their job to ascertain whether or not a member was in
good standing.

>Are members going to receive ballots this year?
>
>Are voting results going to be posted publicly?
>
>What are the details of the voting method for this election?
>
>When is the test going to be made?

In speaking with Keith Giddeon last night in IRC as I was asking him =
where
to send GA voter email address changes, I asked about the test.  He said
the test would be done either Thursday or Friday.

>How secure is the confidentiality of voter choices?
=20
Tim


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:51:46 -0400
References: <<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<052401c0fffa$c23a9560$0300a8c0@local.net>>


Answering what I can of your questions.

At 01:49 PM 6/28/01 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
>I have some questions.

>Are the candidates being screened for being members in good standing?  =
All I
>got was a question if I had been in the project for one year.

Holly can correct me if this is wrong, but I believe the EC decided =
early
on that it was not their job to ascertain whether or not a member was in
good standing.

>Are members going to receive ballots this year?
>
>Are voting results going to be posted publicly?
>
>What are the details of the voting method for this election?
>
>When is the test going to be made?

In speaking with Keith Giddeon last night in IRC as I was asking him =
where
to send GA voter email address changes, I asked about the test.  He said
the test would be done either Thursday or Friday.

>How secure is the confidentiality of voter choices?
=20
Tim



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:10:44 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<00a801c0ffd2$1a263320$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Shari,

Was there any discussion of the question you sent along yesterday?

Tim

At 08:59 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>FYI . . . The ESC *did* decide that AB members could serve on the EC,
although apparantly Linda would like us to forget
>that.
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>
>
>> Shari is correct. I was the main opponent (on the ESC) to having an =
AB
>> member serve on the EC. This was one of the votes that was very close =
I
>> believe.
>>
>> I felt that the election committee needed to be completely outside of =
the
>> politics of the project and if an AB member served on the EC then, no
matter
>> how honest and sincere the AB member was, the membership would still
believe
>> the AB controlled the EC. The EC already has 2 AB members and even if =
they
>> are ex-officio members they are still on the EC overseeing everything =
that
>> goes on.
>>
>> However, this is something that can be left until after the election. =
Right
>> now we've got other things to do.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>> Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
>> Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
>> List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
>> Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of =
Work" at
>> http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shari Handley <shari@tyaskin.com>
>> To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>>
>>
>> > (correct me if I'm wrong) but when the
>> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the
election
>> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who
served on
>> the
>> > > AB couldn't be on the EC.
>> >
>> > While it is true that anyone running for office cannot be on the =
EC,
there
>> is no such prohibition of persons currently
>> > serving on the AB.  If I recall correctly, there was some =
discussion
as to
>> whether AB members were eligible to serve on
>> > the EC, in the end it was decided that there was no compelling (or =
fair)
>> reason to exclude them out of hand, as long as
>> > they were not running for office.
>> >
>> > Here's the relevant section from the EC guidelines:
>> >
>> > "Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for
>> membership in the EC unless they are
>> > presently running for office. EC members who decide to run for =
office
must
>> immediately withdraw from the
>> > EC and its mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator and =
the
>> Representative-at-Large. Should both
>> > of them choose to run for office, they shall together select =
another
Board
>> member who is not currently
>> > running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until =
after
the
>> election. "
>> >
>> > Shari Handley
>> > shari@tyaskin.com
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>> > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:40 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>> >
>> >
>> > > Thanks Bob. If I remember correctly  (correct me if I'm wrong) =
but when
>> the
>> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the
election
>> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who
served on
>> the
>> > > AB couldn't be on the EC. Although not written into the =
Guidelines the
>> > > understanding was that if an EC member didn't win a seat that =
they
would
>> > > come back to the committee. That was one of the reasons for =
adding the
>> > > clause that if extra help was needed during the election process =
that
>> the EC
>> > > could have extra temporary members to help out.
>> > >
>> > > It was under this "extra help" clause that Michael and Larry and =
Loren
>> were
>> > > subbed to the list.
>> > >
>> > > Why don't you add this item to the BB questions? That way =
everyone can
>> have
>> > > a chance to comment.
>> > >
>> > > Linda
>> > >
>> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>> > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
>> > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
>> > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
>> > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes =
of
Work"
>> at
>> > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: BOB CHADA <bchada@flash.net>
>> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:23 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > From what I can see in the EC Guidelines, there are two areas =
that
>> address
>> > > this.  They are:
>> > > >
>> > > > "For members who need to be replaced within the term due to
>> resignation or
>> > > > continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be chosen =
from the
>> > > volunteer pool by
>> > > > the EC committee thru a majority vote. This majority opinion =
shall be
>> > > forwarded to the
>> > > > Advisory Board for final approval."
>> > > >
>> > > > and "EC members who decide to run for office must immediately
withdraw
>> > > from the EC and its mailing list."
>> > > >
>> > > > Unless I have missed something, I don't see anything that says =
to me
>> that
>> > > they can automatically return, but I would agree that if
>> > > > this is an issue, we need to address it on the BB.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > AliceJeanMiller@aol.com wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Does that mean if we pick a replacement for Kathy, the =
replacement
>> is
>> > > only temporary?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001  5:42:02 AM Eastern =
Daylight
>> Time,
>> > > "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> writes:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > << Keith If I'm not mistaken the way the Guidelines are set =
up
Kathy
>> can
>> > > come
>> > > > > back as can Tim and Holly if they don't win. For Tim & Holly =
it
>> would
>> > > only
>> > > > > be until the new NC and RAL take over in Sep. For an EC =
member, if
>> they
>> > > > > don't win, they can come back until their term on the EC is =
over.
>> The
>> > > ESC
>> > > > > just wanted to be sure that the AB people and the EC people =
could
>> not be
>> > > on
>> > > > > the committee while an election was going on to be sure that =
there
>> would
>> > > be
>> > > > > no possibility of the membership claiming that the vote was
tampered
>> > > with
>> > > > > because we had candidates on the committee.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If the anyone  would like this to be different then it's one =
of the
>> > > things
>> > > > > we need to add to the BB for discussion.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Linda
>> > > > >
>> > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>> > > > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
>> > > > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
>> > > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n =
n.c
>> > > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The =
Scopes of
>> Work"
>> > > at
>> > > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: Keith Giddeon <keith@giddeon.com>
>> > > > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:36 AM
>> > > > > Subject: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I meant to bring this up last week, but it was quite a busy =
time
>> for
>> > > us.
>> > > > > > When Kathy resigned, I got the distinct feeling she thought =
she
>> was
>> > > > > > coming back if she failed in her candidacy.
>> > > > > > I fear the backlash if this would occur. Resigning doesn't =
mean,
>> leave
>> > > > > > of absence.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --Keith
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > =
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>> > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com!
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>> > > > > =
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>> > > > > =
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>> > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access =
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>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Bob Chada
>> > > > bchada@flash.net
>> > > > Logan County, Oklahoma
>> > > >
>> > > > Co-CC and Archivist, Logan County, OK:
>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm
>> > > > Co-Archivist, Randolph County, AR:
>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ar/randolph/randolph.html
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > =
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>> >
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>
>



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:31:21 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Thanks Shari.  It appears our emails crossed in cyberspace.

Based on the informal poll there were 11 yes, 3 no to the statement
I proposed to send to the EC/Linda.

Also since the EC did not collect names/addys for Ron Eason's group
it would also seem to strengthen the AB's thoughts on who would be
eligible to run for the at-large position.

I'll send the statement along with the above numbers to Linda, who=20
can in turn send it to the EC.  A copy of the note will be CC'd here.

Tim

At 09:04 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>; <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:25 AM
>Subject: SP volunteers
>
>
>> Shari will you please forward this to the AB in answer to their =
question?
>> **************
>>=20
>> I have verified that all SP volunteers are listed on the membership =
roll.
>> This includes the Census Project, the Tombstone Project and the =
Archives
>> (both state and county). The SP managers did not respond to the EC's
request
>> for a list of their members and the names and e-mail addresses were
gathered
>> by hand. Because of that it is possible that some people have been =
missed.
>>=20
>> At this time the CP volunteers for Ron Eason's CP are not included in =
the
>> membership list. If these volunteers are to be included the EC will =
need to
>> be officially notified by the AB.
>>=20
>> If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Linda Haas Davenport
>> Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee
>>=20
>> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>>=20
>
>
>



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: SP volunteers
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:31:21 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<00c201c0ffd2$d5611ba0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Thanks Shari.  It appears our emails crossed in cyberspace.

Based on the informal poll there were 11 yes, 3 no to the statement
I proposed to send to the EC/Linda.

Also since the EC did not collect names/addys for Ron Eason's group
it would also seem to strengthen the AB's thoughts on who would be
eligible to run for the at-large position.

I'll send the statement along with the above numbers to Linda, who=20
can in turn send it to the EC.  A copy of the note will be CC'd here.

Tim

At 09:04 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>; <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:25 AM
>Subject: SP volunteers
>
>
>> Shari will you please forward this to the AB in answer to their =
question?
>> **************
>>=20
>> I have verified that all SP volunteers are listed on the membership =
roll.
>> This includes the Census Project, the Tombstone Project and the =
Archives
>> (both state and county). The SP managers did not respond to the EC's
request
>> for a list of their members and the names and e-mail addresses were
gathered
>> by hand. Because of that it is possible that some people have been =
missed.
>>=20
>> At this time the CP volunteers for Ron Eason's CP are not included in =
the
>> membership list. If these volunteers are to be included the EC will =
need to
>> be officially notified by the AB.
>>=20
>> If you have any other questions please feel free to ask.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Linda Haas Davenport
>> Chair, USGenWeb Project Election Committee
>>=20
>> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>>=20
>
>
>



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:29:23 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010628091044.008884a0@mail.mccallie.org>>


In regards to the question about CP volunteers on the voter rolls, I've =
just sent the EC's reply here to the EXEC list.
It should be in your IN box now.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@mccallie.org>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: [EC] A problem regarding resignation


> Shari,
>
> Was there any discussion of the question you sent along yesterday?
>
> Tim
>
> At 08:59 AM 6/28/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
> >FYI . . . The ESC *did* decide that AB members could serve on the EC,
> although apparantly Linda would like us to forget
> >that.
> >
> >Shari Handley
> >shari@tyaskin.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >To: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:28 AM
> >Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >
> >
> >> Shari is correct. I was the main opponent (on the ESC) to having an =
AB
> >> member serve on the EC. This was one of the votes that was very =
close I
> >> believe.
> >>
> >> I felt that the election committee needed to be completely outside =
of the
> >> politics of the project and if an AB member served on the EC then, =
no
> matter
> >> how honest and sincere the AB member was, the membership would =
still
> believe
> >> the AB controlled the EC. The EC already has 2 AB members and even =
if they
> >> are ex-officio members they are still on the EC overseeing =
everything that
> >> goes on.
> >>
> >> However, this is something that can be left until after the =
election. Right
> >> now we've got other things to do.
> >>
> >> Linda
> >>
> >> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> >> Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> >> List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
> >> Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of =
Work" at
> >> http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Shari Handley <shari@tyaskin.com>
> >> To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:58 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >>
> >>
> >> > (correct me if I'm wrong) but when the
> >> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the
> election
> >> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who
> served on
> >> the
> >> > > AB couldn't be on the EC.
> >> >
> >> > While it is true that anyone running for office cannot be on the =
EC,
> there
> >> is no such prohibition of persons currently
> >> > serving on the AB.  If I recall correctly, there was some =
discussion
> as to
> >> whether AB members were eligible to serve on
> >> > the EC, in the end it was decided that there was no compelling =
(or fair)
> >> reason to exclude them out of hand, as long as
> >> > they were not running for office.
> >> >
> >> > Here's the relevant section from the EC guidelines:
> >> >
> >> > "Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible =
for
> >> membership in the EC unless they are
> >> > presently running for office. EC members who decide to run for =
office
> must
> >> immediately withdraw from the
> >> > EC and its mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator =
and the
> >> Representative-at-Large. Should both
> >> > of them choose to run for office, they shall together select =
another
> Board
> >> member who is not currently
> >> > running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until =
after
> the
> >> election. "
> >> >
> >> > Shari Handley
> >> > shari@tyaskin.com
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >> > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:40 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Thanks Bob. If I remember correctly  (correct me if I'm wrong) =
but when
> >> the
> >> > > ESC was discussing this item the main point was that during the
> election
> >> > > anyone running for office couldn't be on the EC and anyone who
> served on
> >> the
> >> > > AB couldn't be on the EC. Although not written into the =
Guidelines the
> >> > > understanding was that if an EC member didn't win a seat that =
they
> would
> >> > > come back to the committee. That was one of the reasons for =
adding the
> >> > > clause that if extra help was needed during the election =
process that
> >> the EC
> >> > > could have extra temporary members to help out.
> >> > >
> >> > > It was under this "extra help" clause that Michael and Larry =
and Loren
> >> were
> >> > > subbed to the list.
> >> > >
> >> > > Why don't you add this item to the BB questions? That way =
everyone can
> >> have
> >> > > a chance to comment.
> >> > >
> >> > > Linda
> >> > >
> >> > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> >> > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> >> > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n =
n.c
> >> > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes =
of
> Work"
> >> at
> >> > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: BOB CHADA <bchada@flash.net>
> >> > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:23 AM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > From what I can see in the EC Guidelines, there are two areas =
that
> >> address
> >> > > this.  They are:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "For members who need to be replaced within the term due to
> >> resignation or
> >> > > > continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be chosen =
from the
> >> > > volunteer pool by
> >> > > > the EC committee thru a majority vote. This majority opinion =
shall be
> >> > > forwarded to the
> >> > > > Advisory Board for final approval."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > and "EC members who decide to run for office must immediately
> withdraw
> >> > > from the EC and its mailing list."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Unless I have missed something, I don't see anything that =
says to me
> >> that
> >> > > they can automatically return, but I would agree that if
> >> > > > this is an issue, we need to address it on the BB.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > AliceJeanMiller@aol.com wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Does that mean if we pick a replacement for Kathy, the =
replacement
> >> is
> >> > > only temporary?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001  5:42:02 AM Eastern =
Daylight
> >> Time,
> >> > > "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> writes:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > << Keith If I'm not mistaken the way the Guidelines are set =
up
> Kathy
> >> can
> >> > > come
> >> > > > > back as can Tim and Holly if they don't win. For Tim & =
Holly it
> >> would
> >> > > only
> >> > > > > be until the new NC and RAL take over in Sep. For an EC =
member, if
> >> they
> >> > > > > don't win, they can come back until their term on the EC is =
over.
> >> The
> >> > > ESC
> >> > > > > just wanted to be sure that the AB people and the EC people =
could
> >> not be
> >> > > on
> >> > > > > the committee while an election was going on to be sure =
that there
> >> would
> >> > > be
> >> > > > > no possibility of the membership claiming that the vote was
> tampered
> >> > > with
> >> > > > > because we had candidates on the committee.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If the anyone  would like this to be different then it's =
one of the
> >> > > things
> >> > > > > we need to add to the BB for discussion.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Linda
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> >> > > > > Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> >> > > > > Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
> >> > > > > List hostess for =
-h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c
> >> > > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The =
Scopes of
> >> Work"
> >> > > at
> >> > > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: Keith Giddeon <keith@giddeon.com>
> >> > > > > To: <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>
> >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:36 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: [EC] A problem regarding resignation
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > I meant to bring this up last week, but it was quite a =
busy time
> >> for
> >> > > us.
> >> > > > > > When Kathy resigned, I got the distinct feeling she =
thought she
> >> was
> >> > > > > > coming back if she failed in her candidacy.
> >> > > > > > I fear the backlash if this would occur. Resigning =
doesn't mean,
> >> leave
> >> > > > > > of absence.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --Keith
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> > > > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com!
> >> > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > =
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> >> > > > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve &
> >> Celebrate
> >> > > > > your heritage!
> >> > > > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >  >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> > > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access =
to the
> >> #1
> >> > > > > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> >> > > > >
> >> =
http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=3DF11HB=

> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Bob Chada
> >> > > > bchada@flash.net
> >> > > > Logan County, Oklahoma
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Co-CC and Archivist, Logan County, OK:
> >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm
> >> > > > Co-Archivist, Randolph County, AR:
> >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ar/randolph/randolph.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project:
> >> > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time.
> >> > > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > =
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the #1
> >> > > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> >> > > =
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> > =
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the #1
> >> > Source for Family History Online. Go to:
> >> > =
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> >> >
> >
> >
> >



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: [Board-Exec] At-large position
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:58:48 -0400


Linda,

With regard to Ms. Mendoza's request about running for the At-large =
position:

The following statement was proposed to the AB for their =
approval/disapproval:

"As it appears Ms. Mendoza's affiliation is only with
http://www.us-census.org/,=20
a group to which the Project only provides a link to, she is not a =
member
of the=20
USGenWeb Project and therefore is not eligible to run for the At-large
position."

The AB approved this statement by a yes/no indication of Yes - 11; No - =
3;
no reply - 1

Since the AB's position is that Ron Eason's group is not part of the =
Project
just because we link to his site, the EC is correct in not acquiring the
addresses
of persons who work there exclusively.

Tim



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From: TVick65536@aol.com
Subject: [Board-Exec] Away this weekend
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:17:13 EDT


I will be away this weekend visiting family and friends with minimal =
email=20
contact.  Have a good weekend all.

Tina



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 1 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 02:00:26 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************

Maggie:
The polls are due to open this weekend, so time is short,  I have gotten =
no
satisfactory answers to questions posed regarding EC procedures. =
Therefore,
I feel compelled to put the questions publicly.

Linda:
Maggie if you ever sent me an e-mail asking any of these questions I =
never
received it. I have made it a point to answer EVERY e-mail from anyone =
with
questions or concerns. And, I think if you read the ALL, DISCUSS and =
CC-L
lists you will know that I have also answered every question that has =
been
posted that concerns the EC or this election.

Your statement makes it sound as if the EC has deliberately ignored you =
and
that is certainly untrue. If you have a problem with the EC or with me I
would appreciate it if you would flat out say so. Please don't post =
messages
that give the impression that the EC has fallen down on its job. It's
offensive and unfair to all of the EC members who have worked =
unbelievably
long hours trying to make this election as open, fair and accurate as
humanly possible.

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I had posed these questions to the Advisory Board on BOARD-Exec-L.  The =
only
response I received was from the NC but he isn't an ex-offico member of =
the
EC.

Maggie


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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 1 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 02:00:26 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************

Maggie:
The polls are due to open this weekend, so time is short,  I have gotten =
no
satisfactory answers to questions posed regarding EC procedures. =
Therefore,
I feel compelled to put the questions publicly.

Linda:
Maggie if you ever sent me an e-mail asking any of these questions I =
never
received it. I have made it a point to answer EVERY e-mail from anyone =
with
questions or concerns. And, I think if you read the ALL, DISCUSS and =
CC-L
lists you will know that I have also answered every question that has =
been
posted that concerns the EC or this election.

Your statement makes it sound as if the EC has deliberately ignored you =
and
that is certainly untrue. If you have a problem with the EC or with me I
would appreciate it if you would flat out say so. Please don't post =
messages
that give the impression that the EC has fallen down on its job. It's
offensive and unfair to all of the EC members who have worked =
unbelievably
long hours trying to make this election as open, fair and accurate as
humanly possible.

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I had posed these questions to the Advisory Board on BOARD-Exec-L.  The =
only
response I received was from the NC but he isn't an ex-offico member of =
the
EC.

Maggie


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 1 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:31:39 -0400
References: <<03ef01c101f3$c4b59600$0300a8c0@local.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010701070919.04611c30@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


I believe Shari was there as I was leaving.  There may have been a one =
day
delay but
that's all.

Tim

At 07:13 AM 7/1/01 -0700, Joy Fisher wrote:
>At 02:00 AM 01 07 2001 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
>>To the AB and the ALL list:
>>Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to =
the ALL
>>list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
>
><big snip>
>
>>Maggie:
>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>I had posed these questions to the Advisory Board on BOARD-Exec-L.  =
The only
>>response I received was from the NC but he isn't an ex-offico member =
of the
>>EC.
>
>At the time you posed your questions, I do not think there was an=20
>ex-officio member on the EC. Holly resigned early on because she was=20
>running for office and we never chose a replacement -- then Tim also=20
>resigned, but we had not appointed a replacement for him. Your message =
on=20
>Exec did not get a reply because no one in a position to know saw your
message.
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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 2 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 02:15:04 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************

Maggie:
Is it true that voters only vote once, with no option to change their =
mind?

Linda:
This is true. Only one vote may be cast. In real life people are not =
allowed
to change their vote just because they change their mind. The USGenWeb
Project's election runs for 31 days. That is ample time for people to =
decide
who they wish to vote for. The major reason for the EC's decision to =
allow
only one vote were the problems in the past with people believing that =
their
LAST vote wasn't counted - or that multiple votes resulted in multiple =
votes
being counted.

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
The URL at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/guidelines.htm  =
contains
this
___________________

E. Voting Mechanism:

The voting mechanism selected should meet at least the following =
criteria:
1. Accept votes (more than one per person, with the ability to drop =
earlier
votes);
2. Display appropriate ballots depending on the ID of the person or have
clear directions so a voter can easily find the correct portions of the
ballot for which they are eligible to vote;
3. Send a confirmation email once the vote is accepted that includes a
date/time stamp, and their votes;
4. Count votes and return reliable results within 24 hours;
5. Compile vote statistics in a way that the EC can post so that people =
can
verify their votes; and
6. Be confidential and secure.

A voting method meeting the above requirements should be chosen =
initially
from an outside or "third-party" service. The EC shall research and =
select
an outside voting service as one of its first orders of business after =
being
seated. The system should be in place and functional as soon as =
possible,
but no later than June 1, 2001.

The EC shall also look into forming a supporting group to work on =
producing
election software that meets our requirements. Should the Project decide
that the development of its own voting software is desirable, a working
group of programmers be shall formed who shall address the requirements =
and
design a suitable program. This working group shall operate =
independently of
the EC but shall report to it regularly so that reports on development
progress may be included in the EC's reports to the Project.

--
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
IAGenWeb Immediate Past State Coordinator
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard
___________________


Question 1:  Why has the EC changed the instructions/guidelines that =
they
have posted on their website without approval of the AB?

Question 2:  Why is one of the candidates signatures and URLs posted on =
the
guidelines page for the elections?

Maggie


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 2 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:43:10 -0700
References: <<03f701c101f5$e7027dc0$0300a8c0@local.net>>


MaggieOhio wrote:
>=20
<snip>
>=20
> Maggie:
> Is it true that voters only vote once, with no option to change their =
mind?
>=20
> Linda:
> This is true. Only one vote may be cast.

<snip>

If the EC cannot locate software to meet all the criteria for our
"voting mechanism" there should be a Board motion to suspend whatever
requirements cannot be met for THIS election.

-Isaiah


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 2 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:30:26 -0400
References: <<03f701c101f5$e7027dc0$0300a8c0@local.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B3ED48E.3442BD37@cs.com>>


I believe the software was written from scratch.  If so, then either the
programmer
wasn't given the correct parameters or another programmer was needed.

We have always had the choice of multiple votes.

Tim

At 12:43 AM 7/1/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>MaggieOhio wrote:
>>=20
><snip>
>>=20
>> Maggie:
>> Is it true that voters only vote once, with no option to change their =
mind?
>>=20
>> Linda:
>> This is true. Only one vote may be cast.
>
><snip>
>
>If the EC cannot locate software to meet all the criteria for our
>"voting mechanism" there should be a Board motion to suspend whatever
>requirements cannot be met for THIS election.
>
>-Isaiah
>
>



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 2 - EC's Response to: =
ECQuestions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:54:20 -0400
References: <<03f701c101f5$e7027dc0$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010701193026.01e556c0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim, I have to agree with some of the other comments. We have been
spoiled into believing that multiple votes are the only way. None of the
organizations I belong to have that option. Like Betsy said, folks could
wait until the last day or so to cast their vote.=20

I know this year there will be glitches but with a standing committee
experience will point them toward answers for future elections. This
process will get better and smoother each year if succeeding Boards do
their job to ensure that new EC members are picked wisely.

Joe

Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> I believe the software was written from scratch.  If so, then either =
the
> programmer
> wasn't given the correct parameters or another programmer was needed.
>=20
> We have always had the choice of multiple votes.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> At 12:43 AM 7/1/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
> >MaggieOhio wrote:
> >>
> ><snip>
> >>
> >> Maggie:
> >> Is it true that voters only vote once, with no option to change =
their mind?
> >>
> >> Linda:
> >> This is true. Only one vote may be cast.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >If the EC cannot locate software to meet all the criteria for our
> >"voting mechanism" there should be a Board motion to suspend whatever
> >requirements cannot be met for THIS election.
> >
> >-Isaiah
> >
> >

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 3 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 02:41:20 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************
Maggie:
I received four copies of the broadcast message, does this mean I have =
four
votes?

Linda:
I have a couple of questions for you. Did you receive each of those =
messages
at a different e-mail address? If so then yes you are on the master =
voter
list 4 times. If you received 4 messages at the same address were they =
the
announcement message only or were they the few messages that got through
when the server thought the EC Announcement List was an open list? Wait
until you receive your e-mail that contains your voter password and them =
let
me know if you received multiple passwords.

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I recieved four of the same message, each sent to a different email =
address
that I utilize.   It seems to me considering how long this EC has been
operating this sort of thing should not be happening. Any comment?

Maggie


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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 4 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:09:51 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************

Maggie:
What are the details of the voting method for this election?

Linda:
Please read the voter instructions at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/voterinstructions.html

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
On the above URL it states:

Forms: The Voting Booth program uses forms. If your browser does not =
support
forms. Send an e-mail to: Larry Stephens stephenl@indiana.edu requesting =
a
"paper ballot".

Question:  What's the method for those being counted and verified?


Maggie



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 4 - EC's Response to: =
ECQuestions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 00:29:07 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010701033317.01598b30@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> At 03:09 AM 7/1/01 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
> >Forms: The Voting Booth program uses forms. If your browser does not =
support
> >forms. Send an e-mail to: Larry Stephens stephenl@indiana.edu =
requesting a
> >"paper ballot".
> >
> >Question:  What's the method for those being counted and verified?
>=20
> It would appear then that if the EC is going to issue 'paper ballots' =
then
> they could also accept either write-in candidates or changed minds =
ballots.
>=20
> Tim

Sorry, I don't follow your logic here, Tim. Could you explain?

-Isaiah


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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 4 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:09:51 -0400


To the AB and the ALL list:
Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to the =
ALL
list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:
********************

Maggie:
What are the details of the voting method for this election?

Linda:
Please read the voter instructions at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/voterinstructions.html

Maggie:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
On the above URL it states:

Forms: The Voting Booth program uses forms. If your browser does not =
support
forms. Send an e-mail to: Larry Stephens stephenl@indiana.edu requesting =
a
"paper ballot".

Question:  What's the method for those being counted and verified?


Maggie


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 4 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 03:33:17 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<041201c101fd$bb5ef240$0300a8c0@local.net>>


At 03:09 AM 7/1/01 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
>Forms: The Voting Booth program uses forms. If your browser does not =
support
>forms. Send an e-mail to: Larry Stephens stephenl@indiana.edu =
requesting a
>"paper ballot".
>
>Question:  What's the method for those being counted and verified?

It would appear then that if the EC is going to issue 'paper ballots' =
then
they could also accept either write-in candidates or changed minds =
ballots.

Tim


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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: Part 1 - EC's Response to: EC =
Questions/Concerns
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 07:13:22 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<03ef01c101f3$c4b59600$0300a8c0@local.net>>


At 02:00 AM 01 07 2001 -0400, MaggieOhio wrote:
>To the AB and the ALL list:
>Maggie Stewart Zimmerman posted a set of questions to BOARD-L and to =
the ALL
>list. Following are her questions and the EC's answers:

<big snip>

>Maggie:
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>I had posed these questions to the Advisory Board on BOARD-Exec-L.  The =
only
>response I received was from the NC but he isn't an ex-offico member of =
the
>EC.

At the time you posed your questions, I do not think there was an=20
ex-officio member on the EC. Holly resigned early on because she was=20
running for office and we never chose a replacement -- then Tim also=20
resigned, but we had not appointed a replacement for him. Your message =
on=20
Exec did not get a reply because no one in a position to know saw your =
message.



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From: KShort <kshort@kroo.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Resignation
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:16:41 -0500


Effective immediately 2313 hours, central daylight time, 1 July 2001 I=20
hereby resign any and all positions I hold in USGW.

The reason is that at approximately 1700 hours today, I lost my 19 year =
old=20
daughter.

Ken Short.


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Resignation
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:21:54 -0400
References: <<5.1.0.14.0.20010701231258.00a06cc0@mail.kroo.com>>


This morning the shortcomings of online friendship are felt more =
tangibly than ever.  Over the years, as we associate
via email and chat, we do form bonds and friendships just as surely as =
if we interacted in person.

But, when tragedy strikes, we cannot offer Ken comfort of a hug.  He =
can't see our own tears as we cry along with him.

Ken, please know that my heart is breaking for you, and it is my fervent =
prayer that God would wrap his arms around you
and your family and that you would feel his loving, comforting presence =
with you as you travel the difficult road ahead.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "KShort" <kshort@kroo.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:16 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Resignation


> Effective immediately 2313 hours, central daylight time, 1 July 2001 I
> hereby resign any and all positions I hold in USGW.
>
> The reason is that at approximately 1700 hours today, I lost my 19 =
year old
> daughter.
>
> Ken Short.


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From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome <rainelane@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Resignation
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 16:30:15 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<5.1.0.14.0.20010701231258.00a06cc0@mail.kroo.com>>


Ken,

I am so very sorry to hear of your loss... My heartfelt condolences to =
you=20
and yours...  I just wish I could be there to administer *personal* hugs =

instead of cyber ones...

I shall keep your family in my prayers.

Sunny

At 11:16 PM 7/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Effective immediately 2313 hours, central daylight time, 1 July 2001 I=20
>hereby resign any and all positions I hold in USGW.
>
>The reason is that at approximately 1700 hours today, I lost my 19 year =

>old daughter.
>
>Ken Short.



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] usgenweb.com domain
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:47:44 -0400


The usgenweb.com domain expires July 11, 2001, according to the NSI =
"WhoIs" search.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] DOMAIN
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:31:12 -0400
References: <<015701c1041a$8e7e7ec0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


>From NSI's WhoIs:

Registrant:
U.S. Genealogy Network (USGENWEB-DOM)
   3101 N. 41st St.
   Lincoln, NE 68504-1914
   US

   Domain Name: USGENWEB.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
      Schneider, Dale  (DS1634)  maddoc@ROOTSWEB.COM
      US Geneology Network
      3101 North 41st Street
      Lincoln, NE 68504-1914
      (402) 464-2461 (FAX) (402) 464-8040

   Record last updated on 06-Mar-2001.
   Record expires on 11-Jul-2001.
   Record created on 10-Jul-1996.
   Database last updated on 6-Jul-2001 08:06:00 EDT.

-----------------------------------

1) Tim, can you please determine whether Doc has already or plans to =
renew the domain name?  This is now a matter of
some urgency.

2)  The "registrant" for the usgenweb.org domain is shown as "RootsWeb =
Genealogical Data Cooperative (USGENWEB2-DOM)".
Admin contact is Tim Stowell/USGenWeb, billing contact Holly =
Timm/USGenWeb.  The actual owner of a domain is the
registrant, though, is it not?  The usgenweb.net domain's registrant is =
"USGenWeb (USGENWEB3-DOM)" with Tim's address.
Shouldn't the .org domain be the same?

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:47 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] usgenweb.com domain


> The usgenweb.com domain expires July 11, 2001, according to the NSI =
"WhoIs" search.
>
> Shari Handley
> shari@tyaskin.com


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] DOMAIN
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 02:07:18 -0400
References: <<015701c1041a$8e7e7ec0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<002801c1067c$20a9e100$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


I spoke with Bridgett, Doc's wife, in IRC the other night, Thursday I
believe it was,
and she said that Doc had already reupped his dues on the .com domain.

Tim

At 08:31 PM 7/6/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>>From NSI's WhoIs:
>
>Registrant:
>U.S. Genealogy Network (USGENWEB-DOM)
>   3101 N. 41st St.
>   Lincoln, NE 68504-1914
>   US
>
>   Domain Name: USGENWEB.COM
>
>   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
>      Schneider, Dale  (DS1634)  maddoc@ROOTSWEB.COM
>      US Geneology Network
>      3101 North 41st Street
>      Lincoln, NE 68504-1914
>      (402) 464-2461 (FAX) (402) 464-8040
>
>   Record last updated on 06-Mar-2001.
>   Record expires on 11-Jul-2001.
>   Record created on 10-Jul-1996.
>   Database last updated on 6-Jul-2001 08:06:00 EDT.
>
>-----------------------------------
>
>1) Tim, can you please determine whether Doc has already or plans to =
renew
the domain name?  This is now a matter of
>some urgency.
>
>2)  The "registrant" for the usgenweb.org domain is shown as "RootsWeb
Genealogical Data Cooperative (USGENWEB2-DOM)".
>Admin contact is Tim Stowell/USGenWeb, billing contact Holly
Timm/USGenWeb.  The actual owner of a domain is the
>registrant, though, is it not?  The usgenweb.net domain's registrant is
"USGenWeb (USGENWEB3-DOM)" with Tim's address.
>Shouldn't the .org domain be the same?
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:47 PM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] usgenweb.com domain
>
>
>> The usgenweb.com domain expires July 11, 2001, according to the NSI
"WhoIs" search.
>>
>> Shari Handley
>> shari@tyaskin.com
>
>


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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] DOMAIN
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 07:18:08 -0500
References: <<015701c1041a$8e7e7ec0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<002801c1067c$20a9e100$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 08:31 PM 7/6/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>2)  The "registrant" for the usgenweb.org domain is shown as "RootsWeb=20
>Genealogical Data Cooperative (USGENWEB2-DOM)".
>Admin contact is Tim Stowell/USGenWeb, billing contact Holly=20
>Timm/USGenWeb.  The actual owner of a domain is the
>registrant, though, is it not?  The usgenweb.net domain's registrant is =

>"USGenWeb (USGENWEB3-DOM)" with Tim's address.
>Shouldn't the .org domain be the same?

Yes it should


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From: TVick65536@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] usgenweb.com domain
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:54:28 EDT


How has the renewal of this been handled in the past?

Tina

In a message dated 7/3/2001 7:48:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
shari@tyaskin.com writes:


> The usgenweb.com domain expires July 11, 2001, according to the NSI =
"WhoIs"=20
> search.
>=20
> Shari Handley
> shari@tyaskin.com
>=20
>

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From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] usgenweb.com domain
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <<8.16a1b9e4.2873b534@aol.com>>


Doc has paid for it.

Joy Fisher       jfisher@ucla.edu
UCLA

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 TVick65536@aol.com wrote:

> How has the renewal of this been handled in the past?
>=20
> Tina
>=20
> In a message dated 7/3/2001 7:48:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
> shari@tyaskin.com writes:
>=20
>=20
> > The usgenweb.com domain expires July 11, 2001, according to the NSI =
"WhoIs"=20
> > search.
> >=20
> > Shari Handley
> > shari@tyaskin.com
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] FW: Changes
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:02:09 -0400


People still get confused.  I wrote this lady back explaining that we =
are
not affiliated with Ancestry.  It probably won't make much of a =
difference
in her mind though.

-----Original Message-----
From: JimVaug@aol.com [mailto:JimVaug@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 2:12 PM
To: webmaster@usgenweb.org
Subject: Changes


I am vvery unhappy with the servive lately.  I understand you are =
combining
several sites.  I find it impossible to find any thing now.  Also the =
print
has changed.  It is smaller.  I have trouble seeing any way so really =
notice
the difference.  I am a paying member of AnCestry and think I have a =
right
to
complain.  Hope thins improve soon.    Gwen Vaughan



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] More EC Questions/Comments
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 03:19:09 -0400


Linda,=20

I took a few days off for the holiday,=20
hope yours was enjoyable.  I have more=20
questions / comments.


1)Voting Passwords
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I received three passwords to vote one with my email=20
but having the wrong name.  I sure hope Jeff got his=20
own copy.  They are as follows:
______

Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Jeff Grayson)
Your Voting email: 73777.25@compuserve.com

Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman)
Your Voting email: maggieohio@columbus.rr.com

Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Maggie Stewart)
Your Voting email: ohcens-tomb@columbus.rr.com
______

Is this sufficient to get the problem corrected?

I had heard that you got a different password for each=20
region you were eligible to vote in.  If this is true I'm
missing one because I'm eligible in all of the regions.


2)My Census Project Volunteers
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
While it was really nice of you to include them I'd like
to know who verified the list.  It looks as if someone=20
harvested emails off the pages.  I do know that I was
never asked.  If this is true your list is incorrect and
will need to be adjusted.  Among other things I have=20
folks that work in both projects and I protect their
identities.  I also have some folks that are a major
backbone that don't have their names or emails on
the pages.  What do you suggest we do to correct
this problem?

Maggie



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: More EC Questions/Comments
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:01:13 -0400
References: <<03e801c105eb$fcc050c0$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<00a801c10600$023e79a0$0200a8c0@Linda>>


Linda,

On the CP volunteers:  I need a list of who you all put in for my =
project.
I can't tell you who to remove if I don't know who was entered.  And I =
hit
reply all and Keith's email is not on the message.

Thanks,
Maggie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: More EC Questions/Comments


Thanks Maggie: I'll forward this to Keith and he will get the data base
corrected.

Password for each region. No that's not the case. One password is all =
you
need. You will see all of the ballots for the different regions you are
eligible to vote in.

CP volunteers: Send a full list to Keith. His e-mail address will be on =
this
message since I'm CC'ing him on this.

Linda

lhaasdav@mindspring.com
Home.page  http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion.Co.AR  http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion
List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c


----- Original Message -----
From: MaggieOhio <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
To: Linda Haas-Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
Cc: BOARD-EXEC <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:19 AM
Subject: More EC Questions/Comments


> Linda,
>
> I took a few days off for the holiday,
> hope yours was enjoyable.  I have more
> questions / comments.
>
>
> 1)Voting Passwords
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> I received three passwords to vote one with my email
> but having the wrong name.  I sure hope Jeff got his
> own copy.  They are as follows:
> ______
>
> Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Jeff Grayson)
> Your Voting email: 73777.25@compuserve.com
>
> Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman)
> Your Voting email: maggieohio@columbus.rr.com
>
> Dear UsGenWeb Volunteer (Maggie Stewart)
> Your Voting email: ohcens-tomb@columbus.rr.com
> ______
>
> Is this sufficient to get the problem corrected?
>
> I had heard that you got a different password for each
> region you were eligible to vote in.  If this is true I'm
> missing one because I'm eligible in all of the regions.
>
>
> 2)My Census Project Volunteers
> =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> While it was really nice of you to include them I'd like
> to know who verified the list.  It looks as if someone
> harvested emails off the pages.  I do know that I was
> never asked.  If this is true your list is incorrect and
> will need to be adjusted.  Among other things I have
> folks that work in both projects and I protect their
> identities.  I also have some folks that are a major
> backbone that don't have their names or emails on
> the pages.  What do you suggest we do to correct
> this problem?
>
> Maggie
>
>
>
>


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Away
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:47:19 -0700


I'm off to visit my daughter in Arizona for a long weekend. Will have
minimum computer access until I return mid-aftertnoon Monday.

-Isaiah


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Tim as BOARD-L admin
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:27:58 -0400


Tim, specifically,

#1:  Is this statement of Sandra's true?  (The list referenced is the =
USGENWEB-ALL list):

> I kept trying and eventually received an email from none other then =
Tim
> saying
> "We don't want you on this list"

#2:  Are you refusing or delaying the subscription of Teresa Lindquist =
from the USGENWEB-ALL list?  If so, why?

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Sandra" <sandie@ix.netcom.com>
To: <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Board-L


> Funny thing Teresa,
> Last year I tried to subscribe also to no avail.
> I kept trying and eventually received an email from none other then =
Tim
> saying
> "We don't want you on this list"
> When I ask him about it on either this list or Discuss he denied that =
he was
> blocking my subscribing and eventually after repeated attempts I was
> subscribed.
>=20
>=20
> Sandra  Newman Sanchez
> USGENWeb Census Project Indiana Coordinator
> http://www.us-census.org/states/indiana/indiana.htm
> USGENWeb Census Project Maryland Coordinator
> http://www.us-census.org/states/maryland/maryland.htm
> USGenWeb Coordinator  Linn Co. Iowa
> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ia/county/linn/usgenweblinn/index.html
> USGenWeb Coordinator  Orange Co. Indiana
> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/
> AHGP Coordinator Custer Co. Nebraska
> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/county/custer/
> AHGP Coordinator  Dawson Co. Nebraska
> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/county/dawson/
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "merope" <merope@Radix.Net>
> To: <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Board-L
>=20
>=20
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Esse Frye wrote:
> >
> > > Kelly;
> > >
> > > If Teresa wants to subscribe to the Board, then let
> > > her do it herself. It isn't that hard!
> >
> > Apparently it is.  I have both asked the listowner and sent a couple =
of
> > subscribe requests, and still no re-subscription.
> >
> > -Teresa
> >
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > Remember the elections start July 1.
> >
>=20
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List =3D=3D=3D=3D
> The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project.



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Tim as BOARD-L admin
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:55:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<001a01c107ca$f3304660$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 12:27 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>Tim, specifically,
>
>#1:  Is this statement of Sandra's true?  (The list referenced is the
USGENWEB-ALL list):
>
>> I kept trying and eventually received an email from none other then =
Tim
>> saying
>> "We don't want you on this list"

I have no recollection of saying any such thing.  Having no idea what =
time
frame she is speaking of, I also have no way to verify or deny her
accusation.  As there is no love lost between us, my guess is she just
wishes to stir up mischief.

>#2:  Are you refusing or delaying the subscription of Teresa Lindquist
from the USGENWEB-ALL list?  If so, why?

Teresa was resubbed after she asked to be resubbed when I returned from
being away Saturday.  Her first request came it seems Friday night but I
don't rush to read mail from her.  It was left to read Saturday, which =
it
was along with her official request to be subbed received some time
Saturday when I downloaded mail Saturday night.

Tim

>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>
>----- Original Message -----=20
>From: "Sandra" <sandie@ix.netcom.com>
>To: <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 1:03 AM
>Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Board-L
>
>
>> Funny thing Teresa,
>> Last year I tried to subscribe also to no avail.
>> I kept trying and eventually received an email from none other then =
Tim
>> saying
>> "We don't want you on this list"
>> When I ask him about it on either this list or Discuss he denied that =
he
was
>> blocking my subscribing and eventually after repeated attempts I was
>> subscribed.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sandra  Newman Sanchez
>> USGENWeb Census Project Indiana Coordinator
>> http://www.us-census.org/states/indiana/indiana.htm
>> USGENWeb Census Project Maryland Coordinator
>> http://www.us-census.org/states/maryland/maryland.htm
>> USGenWeb Coordinator  Linn Co. Iowa
>> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ia/county/linn/usgenweblinn/index.html
>> USGenWeb Coordinator  Orange Co. Indiana
>> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/in/county/orange/
>> AHGP Coordinator Custer Co. Nebraska
>> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/county/custer/
>> AHGP Coordinator  Dawson Co. Nebraska
>> http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ne/county/dawson/
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "merope" <merope@Radix.Net>
>> To: <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Board-L
>>=20
>>=20
>> >
>> > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Esse Frye wrote:
>> >
>> > > Kelly;
>> > >
>> > > If Teresa wants to subscribe to the Board, then let
>> > > her do it herself. It isn't that hard!
>> >
>> > Apparently it is.  I have both asked the listowner and sent a =
couple of
>> > subscribe requests, and still no re-subscription.
>> >
>> > -Teresa



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] note to GAGEN 7/19
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:41:27 -0400


The following note was sent to GAGEN yesterday:

Several weeks ago the list was put on a moderated status due to a flame =
war
that erupted.

As time went by I relaxed the moderation adding back a few folks at a =
time
to the non-moderated status.  Before this latest flame war erupted not=20
everyone had been restored to a non-moderated status.

I'd rather not moderate the list but will once again do so, if it erupts
again.  Moderation of the list is within USGenWeb guidelines.

The guidelines state that all USGenWeb site hosts must be subscribed to =
the
state's mailing list.  The guidelines make no mention one way or the =
other=20
whether folks have the right to post to the mailing list.

For that reason some states have set up two lists - one is an announce =
only
list, where one must belong to receive items that bear on the State =
project=20
or the USGenWeb Project and another list were participation is voluntary =
and=20
items pertaining to the State, political discussion and the like can be =
held.

Tim



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:46:14 -0400


I've talked in IRC with Richard, IL SC, a couple of times now as he has=20
visited with Ken and his wife on at least two occasions since the
tragic death of their 19 year old daughter.

Richard lives about 30 miles from Ken.

Regarding Ken's further participation with the Project, the Board or his
Texas counties - his wife would like to see him continue with his
participation.
>From what I'm gathering from what Richard has said, Ken doesn't feel =
this way
at this time.

I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to re-consider =
his
status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
begin
or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then the =
new
Board
can take up the matter.

Is that agreeable with you folk?

Tim



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:38:30 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


I agree.

Joe

Tim Stowell wrote:

> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>=20
> Tim

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From: "George Waller" <George@Waller.Org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:29:59 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<3B5969B6.7A2AF311@starband.net>>


Yes. -- George

> Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> > Is that agreeable with you folk?
> >=20
> > Tim
>=20
>



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:41:24 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Yes, I agree.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:46 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Ken Short


> I've talked in IRC with Richard, IL SC, a couple of times now as he =
has=20
> visited with Ken and his wife on at least two occasions since the
> tragic death of their 19 year old daughter.
>=20
> Richard lives about 30 miles from Ken.
>=20
> Regarding Ken's further participation with the Project, the Board or =
his
> Texas counties - his wife would like to see him continue with his
> participation.
> >From what I'm gathering from what Richard has said, Ken doesn't feel =
this way
> at this time.
>=20
> I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider his
> status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
> begin
> or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then =
the new
> Board
> can take up the matter.
>=20
> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>=20
> Tim



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 08:37:57 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim Stowell wrote:
If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement can
> begin
> or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then =
the new
> Board
> can take up the matter.
>=20
> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>=20
> Tim

I agree.

-Isaiah


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@mccallie.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:41:03 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<3B5969B6.7A2AF311@starband.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<018301c1192e$07d40510$1fb66389@lib.uconn.edu>>


Along this same line of thought.  I spoke
with Trey late last week.  He said they were
holding Ken's Texas counties for him.

Tim


At 03:29 PM 7/30/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes. -- George
>
>> Tim Stowell wrote:
>>=20
>> > Is that agreeable with you folk?
>> >=20
>> > Tim
>>=20
>>=20
>
>
>

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From: "Diane Parsons" <ky.quest@gte.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] RE: Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:16:26 -0400


It is agreeable with me.

Diane Montgomery Parsons





> I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider
his
> status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
> begin
> or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then =
the
new
> Board
> can take up the matter.
>
> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>
> Tim
>


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From: TVick65536@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:45:16 EDT


In a message dated 7/21/2001 2:43:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20
tstowell@chattanooga.net writes:


> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>=20
> Tim
>=20
>=20

Tim,
Fine with me.
Tina


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From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:56:30 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim:

I do not have a problem with this.

Joy Fisher       jfisher@ucla.edu
UCLA

On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tim Stowell wrote:

> I've talked in IRC with Richard, IL SC, a couple of times now as he =
has=20
> visited with Ken and his wife on at least two occasions since the
> tragic death of their 19 year old daughter.
>=20
> Richard lives about 30 miles from Ken.
>=20
> Regarding Ken's further participation with the Project, the Board or =
his
> Texas counties - his wife would like to see him continue with his
> participation.
> >From what I'm gathering from what Richard has said, Ken doesn't feel =
this way
> at this time.
>=20
> I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider his
> status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
> begin
> or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then =
the new
> Board
> can take up the matter.
>=20
> Is that agreeable with you folk?
>=20
> Tim
>=20
>


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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:50:51 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Sounds like a very good idea.

Betsy


At 10:46 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I've talked in IRC with Richard, IL SC, a couple of times now as he has
>visited with Ken and his wife on at least two occasions since the
>tragic death of their 19 year old daughter.
>
>Richard lives about 30 miles from Ken.
>
>Regarding Ken's further participation with the Project, the Board or =
his
>Texas counties - his wife would like to see him continue with his
>participation.
> >From what I'm gathering from what Richard has said, Ken doesn't feel=20
> this way
>at this time.
>
>I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider his
>status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
>begin
>or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then the =
new
>Board
>can take up the matter.
>
>Is that agreeable with you folk?
>
>Tim

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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:07:52 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


no problem here

At 10:46 PM 7/20/01 -0400, Tim Stowell wrote:
>I've talked in IRC with Richard, IL SC, a couple of times now as he has
>visited with Ken and his wife on at least two occasions since the
>tragic death of their 19 year old daughter.
>
>Richard lives about 30 miles from Ken.
>
>Regarding Ken's further participation with the Project, the Board or =
his
>Texas counties - his wife would like to see him continue with his
>participation.
> >From what I'm gathering from what Richard has said, Ken doesn't feel=20
> this way
>at this time.
>
>I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider his
>status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
>begin
>or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then the =
new
>Board
>can take up the matter.
>
>Is that agreeable with you folk?
>
>Tim



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 17:15:50 -0400


A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a=20
genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company takes
in from the link on their page.

I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws but
am seeking your advice in replying to this question.

Thanks,

Tim




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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:04:48 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim, I believe we have to cut the genealogy societies some slack when
applying the bylaws. As you know in ND in return for allowing me to
publish their indexes I display their addresses so researchers can
purchase the complete data train for a particular index if they wish. By
doing this I am able to provide researchers leads to names which might
otherwise be missed entirely. These small societies live or die on the
small amount of income they can generate on their publishing sales. Our
involvement with them weighs more heavily on the side of our researchers
than on the sales side of the societies.

The Bylaws it seems to me refers to CCs who blatenly use their site for
profit. The case you mention seems to simply provide a link from which
the society might gain a small income. I don't see a problem and the
fact they ask for guidance speaks favorably for them, in my opinion.

Joe

Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
> genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
> society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
> in from the link on their page.
>=20
> I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
> am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Tim


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:03:41 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<3B5A0A90.FA208F2A@starband.net>>


Yes, Gen Socs need to be able to glean income where they can.  But *not* =
on a USGenWeb site.  They can set up a separate
site for money-making activities if they wish to.

USGenWeb sites are not set up to benefit the CC (whether the CC is an =
individual or a group).  They are set up to
benefit the researchers.

Once you look the other way for one group of CCs in this Project in =
regards to commercial enterprise on a USGW site, you
are headed down a slippery slope.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please


> Tim, I believe we have to cut the genealogy societies some slack when
> applying the bylaws. As you know in ND in return for allowing me to
> publish their indexes I display their addresses so researchers can
> purchase the complete data train for a particular index if they wish. =
By
> doing this I am able to provide researchers leads to names which might
> otherwise be missed entirely. These small societies live or die on the
> small amount of income they can generate on their publishing sales. =
Our
> involvement with them weighs more heavily on the side of our =
researchers
> than on the sales side of the societies.
>
> The Bylaws it seems to me refers to CCs who blatenly use their site =
for
> profit. The case you mention seems to simply provide a link from which
> the society might gain a small income. I don't see a problem and the
> fact they ask for guidance speaks favorably for them, in my opinion.
>
> Joe
>
> Tim Stowell wrote:
> >
> > A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
> > genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
> > society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
> > in from the link on their page.
> >
> > I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
> > am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:59:40 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


I agree.  If they would like to join such an affiliate program, they =
should make up a separate web page . . . not a
USGenWeb site, but a site solely for their Gen Society.  USGenWeb sites =
are not to be commercial enterprises.

Shari Handley
shari@tyaskin.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:15 PM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Opinion please


> A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
> genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
> society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
> in from the link on their page.
>
> I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
> am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim


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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:33:14 -0400
References: <<002201c11251$f8a505e0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>> =
<<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<v03130303b780d1fdeffc@[153.32.54.145]>>


At 12:11 PM 7/22/01 -0700, Teri wrote:
>(I also see no reason to have posted this question on Board-Exec. The
>question does not name any specific county, and is about general =
project
>policy. Board-L is the proper place for all policy discussions that do
>not involve sensitive information about specific individuals.)

I disagree.  I asked for some guidance on answering mail, which I =
believe
I remember some members saying they'd welcome me to do.  I don't feel =
every=20
note of concern from a CC has to be on Board-L.

Tim


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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:22:54 -0500
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>> =
<<3B5A0A90.FA208F2A@starband.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<003401c11252$886dccc0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 10:03 PM 7/21/01 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>Yes, Gen Socs need to be able to glean income where they can.  But =
*not*=20
>on a USGenWeb site.  They can set up a separate site for money-making=20
>activities if they wish to.
>
>USGenWeb sites are not set up to benefit the CC (whether the CC is an=20
>individual or a group).  They are set up to benefit the researchers.
>
>Once you look the other way for one group of CCs in this Project in=20
>regards to commercial enterprise on a USGW site, you are headed down a=20
>slippery slope.

I agree with Shari


>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
>
>
> > Tim, I believe we have to cut the genealogy societies some slack =
when
> > applying the bylaws. As you know in ND in return for allowing me to
> > publish their indexes I display their addresses so researchers can
> > purchase the complete data train for a particular index if they =
wish. By
> > doing this I am able to provide researchers leads to names which =
might
> > otherwise be missed entirely. These small societies live or die on =
the
> > small amount of income they can generate on their publishing sales. =
Our
> > involvement with them weighs more heavily on the side of our =
researchers
> > than on the sales side of the societies.
> >
> > The Bylaws it seems to me refers to CCs who blatenly use their site =
for
> > profit. The case you mention seems to simply provide a link from =
which
> > the society might gain a small income. I don't see a problem and the
> > fact they ask for guidance speaks favorably for them, in my opinion.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Tim Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by =
a
> > > genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
> > > society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
> > > in from the link on their page.
> > >
> > > I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the =
Bylaws but
> > > am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tim



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From: Teri Pettit <pettit@adobe.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:11:24 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<002201c11251$f8a505e0$26c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 6:59 PM -0700 7/21/01, Shari Handley wrote:
>I agree.  If they would like to join such an affiliate program, they
>should make up a separate web page . . . not a
>USGenWeb site, but a site solely for their Gen Society.  USGenWeb sites
>are not to be commercial enterprises.
>
>Shari Handley
>shari@tyaskin.com

I agree with Shari. The way this should be handled is that the
genealogy society should make up a separate page for the society's
business, and cross-link it to the county page.

The society's own page should NOT display the USGenWeb logo or the
state's XXGenWeb logo. Ideally, the URL should also make it easily
distinguishable from the county's page (not a subdirectory), but
I don't think that part is critical if it is hard for the genealogy
society to get their own web space.

Even if there were no conflict of interest concerns, having a separate
page for the society gives them a place to put their meeting =
announcements,
membership information, etc.

Once the society's page is recognizable as being not "part of" the
county site, but simply an independent site that it links to, then the
society can do anything it wants on its own page. This fulfills Joe's
concerns about the society needing to generate funds, while avoiding
any potential conflict with the USGenWeb Bylaws and site guidelines.

(I also see no reason to have posted this question on Board-Exec. The
question does not name any specific county, and is about general project
policy. Board-L is the proper place for all policy discussions that do
not involve sensitive information about specific individuals.)

-- Teri

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From: Teri Pettit <pettit@adobe.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:18:35 -0700
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010722093313.02eb4c50@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


At 9:34 AM -0700 7/22/01, Joy Fisher wrote:
>Have the gen soc get it's own web site. The county site can link to the =
gen
>soc web site and vice versa. To most users, it will look like it is one =
big
>happy web site.
>

I agree with the first two sentences, but it would be best for the
society to make as much visual distinction as they can between the
usgenweb page(s) and the society's page(s), such as using different
backgrounds and different banners, so that they do NOT look like
"one big happy web site."

If there is not enough distinction, then some other CC's visiting
the society's pages may think that the fund-generating activities
are taking place on a usgenweb site and send grievances to the Board
about it.

-- Teri


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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:57:42 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Tim, is this the official page for this society or are they simply
hosting a county as I supposed?

Joe

Tim Stowell wrote:
>=20
> A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
> genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
> society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
> in from the link on their page.
>=20
> I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
> am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Tim

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:34:38 -0400
References: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B5B3036.7F00AD86@starband.net>>


At 03:57 PM 7/22/01 -0400, Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny wrote:
>Tim, is this the official page for this society or are they simply
>hosting a county as I supposed?
>
>Joe

They are hosting a county site.

Tim


>Tim Stowell wrote:
>>=20
>> A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
>> genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
>> society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company =
takes
>> in from the link on their page.
>>=20
>> I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
>> am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> Tim
>
>--=20
>Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
>NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
>Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
>Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm
>
>



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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Opinion please
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:34:35 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010721171550.01ccbea0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


Have the gen soc get it's own web site. The county site can link to the =
gen=20
soc web site and vice versa. To most users, it will look like it is one =
big=20
happy web site.

At 05:15 PM 21 07 2001 -0400, you wrote:
>A county site hosted by a genealogy society has been approached by a
>genealogy book company that has an affiliate program whereby the
>society would get a 20% commission on any books sales the company takes
>in from the link on their page.
>
>I think this falls under the no commercial gain policy of the Bylaws =
but
>am seeking your advice in replying to this question.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim

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From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome <rainelane@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Ken Short
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:52:56 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010720224614.00a546a0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


At 10:46 PM 7/20/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd like to ask though that you please give him more time to =
re-consider his
>status.  If he definately says no way, then the process of replacement =
can
>begin
>or if we've heard nothing one way or the other by August 31st, then the =
new
>Board
>can take up the matter.
>
>Is that agreeable with you folk?

Sounds good to me.....

Sunny



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:33:45 -0500


Ancestry.com is about to publish a book "Finding Your Ancestors in the =
U.S.=20
Federal Census," a nuts and bolts guide to researching the U.S. Federal=20
Census. As part of the book, the company will be publishing a listing of =

sources for online and electronic content. The listing will appear as an =

appendix and will be updated for each new printing of the book.

We have been invited to submit information to be included in their=20
publication.  This is the questionnaire and my answers.  Please feel =
free=20
to edit, suggest changes, etc.  Yes, this is mostly taken from the =
USGenWeb=20
Project main pages.  This needs to be completed and returned ASAP.

Betsy


Overview of company/organization
Please provide approximately 100-200 wordsno more than 200, pleasethat =
include:
-When the company was founded, by whom, etc.
-Mission Statement

In the spring of 1996, a group of genealogists led by Jeff Murphy =
organized=20
the Kentucky Comprehensive Genealogy Database Project, which evolved =
into=20
the KyGenWeb Project. The idea was to provide a single entry point for=20
genealogy data and research for all counties in Kentucky. In addition, =
the=20
information for each county would be indexed and cross-linked to make it =

easier for researchers to find a name or data that they sought.

In June 1996, as the KyGenWeb Project was nearing 100% county coverage,=20
interested volunteers decided to create a similar set of pages for all=20
states, establishing The USGenWeb Project. Bill Couch wanted to follow =
in=20
the footsteps of the KY Project with a similar site for Arkansas. Jeff=20
Murphy set up a main page for the states that included a template for=20
volunteers to use. Announcements were made to genealogy mailing lists =
and=20
newsgroups and news of this Project was spread by email and word of =
mouth.=20
Volunteers were found who were willing to coordinate the efforts for =
each=20
state, and additional volunteers were sought to create and maintain=20
websites for every county in the United States. By July of 1996 most =
states=20
were online with state homepages and most had several volunteers.

The USGenWeb Project is still growing, and there are always =
opportunities=20
for new volunteers to adopt county or state pages or participate in a=20
Special Project.

Contact Information
Please include as much of the following information as you can. The is=20
information that we will be updating with each printing of the book.
-Physical Address  - None
-Phone   -  None
-Fax       -  None
-E-mail  - admin@usgenweb.org
-Url        - www.usgenweb.org, www.usgenweb.net, and www.usgenweb.com
-Contact name    -  Tim Stowell, Nat. Coordinator (through August 31, =
2001)

Overview of what your company/organization offers U.S. Federal Census=20
researchers
Description of service offered including a comprehensive list of the =
census=20
data available, e.g. digital images, indexes, CD-ROMs, etc. For this=20
section we are looking for approximately 300-500 words.

USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the counties and=20
place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in the=20
USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the USGenWeb=20
Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated and=20
uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.


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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:20:45 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<v03130304b783e682386f@[153.32.54.145]>>


I have already told the Ancestry staff member that I will get him the =
new=20
name as soon as possible which will hopefully be updated before it goes =
to=20
press.

I don't know that Ancestry wants this book to be public knowledge yet.  =
I=20
started to just answer the questions and send it back and thought better =
of=20
it.  I will NOT put this on board-l and I would appreciate your not=20
mentioning it off this list.  I don't have permission to share this with =

the world.  There ARE some things that are just not for public =
consumption=20
that do involve the day-to-day business of this board.

Betsy


At 08:09 PM 7/24/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Since Tim will no longer be the National Coordinator by the FIRST
>time the book is printed, and we don't yet know who will be, it
>seems pointless to list any person as the contact. I would suggest
>that we just put something like...
>
>"varies, see http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho-index.html
>for updated contact information"
>
> >
> >USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the counties =
and
> >place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in the
> >USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the USGenWeb
> >Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated and
> >uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.
>
>Let's not use "USGW" except in informal communications. There might be
>trademark or service mark issues.
>
>Also, I think this is yet another question that should have been asked
>on BOARD-L.
>
>Board-L is the list for normal, daily business of running the project,
>of "being the board".
>
>Board-Exec-L is for topics that are especially sensitive, usually =
because
>they involve grievances or personal matters.



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:43:02 -0700
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010724221636.041a06b0@mail.1starnet.com>>


Betsy Mills wrote:
>=20
> I have already told the Ancestry staff member that I will get him the =
new
> name as soon as possible which will hopefully be updated before it =
goes to
> press.
>=20
> I don't know that Ancestry wants this book to be public knowledge yet. =
 I
> started to just answer the questions and send it back and thought =
better of
> it.  I will NOT put this on board-l and I would appreciate your not
> mentioning it off this list.  I don't have permission to share this =
with
> the world.  There ARE some things that are just not for public =
consumption
> that do involve the day-to-day business of this board.
>=20
> Betsy
=20
Sounds like you did the right thing to me.

-Isaiah


--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:16:36 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010724221636.041a06b0@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<v03130304b783e682386f@[153.32.54.145]>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010726173415.02f39180@mail.1starnet.com>>


At 05:34 PM 7/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmmm?  No more comments?  I need to send this back to him tomorrow.

I would like to have seen a bit less emphasis on our history and more on =

what we are currently in that first section.


>Betsy
>
>
>At 10:20 PM 7/24/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have already told the Ancestry staff member that I will get him the =
new=20
>>name as soon as possible which will hopefully be updated before it =
goes=20
>>to press.
>>
>>I don't know that Ancestry wants this book to be public knowledge yet. =
 I=20
>>started to just answer the questions and send it back and thought =
better=20
>>of it.  I will NOT put this on board-l and I would appreciate your not =

>>mentioning it off this list.  I don't have permission to share this =
with=20
>>the world.  There ARE some things that are just not for public=20
>>consumption that do involve the day-to-day business of this board.
>>
>>Betsy
>>
>>
>>At 08:09 PM 7/24/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Since Tim will no longer be the National Coordinator by the FIRST
>>>time the book is printed, and we don't yet know who will be, it
>>>seems pointless to list any person as the contact. I would suggest
>>>that we just put something like...
>>>
>>>"varies, see http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho-index.html
>>>for updated contact information"
>>>
>>> >
>>> >USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the counties =
and
>>> >place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in =
the
>>> >USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the =
USGenWeb
>>> >Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated and
>>> >uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.
>>>
>>>Let's not use "USGW" except in informal communications. There might =
be
>>>trademark or service mark issues.
>>>
>>>Also, I think this is yet another question that should have been =
asked
>>>on BOARD-L.
>>>
>>>Board-L is the list for normal, daily business of running the =
project,
>>>of "being the board".
>>>
>>>Board-Exec-L is for topics that are especially sensitive, usually =
because
>>>they involve grievances or personal matters.
>>
>


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From: Teri Pettit <pettit@adobe.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:09:12 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>>


Since Tim will no longer be the National Coordinator by the FIRST
time the book is printed, and we don't yet know who will be, it
seems pointless to list any person as the contact. I would suggest
that we just put something like...

"varies, see http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho-index.html
for updated contact information"

>
>USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the counties and
>place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in the
>USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the USGenWeb
>Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated and
>uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.

Let's not use "USGW" except in informal communications. There might be
trademark or service mark issues.

Also, I think this is yet another question that should have been asked
on BOARD-L.

Board-L is the list for normal, daily business of running the project,
of "being the board".

Board-Exec-L is for topics that are especially sensitive, usually =
because
they involve grievances or personal matters.



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:34:36 -0500
References: <<v03130304b783e682386f@[153.32.54.145]>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010724221636.041a06b0@mail.1starnet.com>>


Hmmm?  No more comments?  I need to send this back to him tomorrow.

Betsy


At 10:20 PM 7/24/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I have already told the Ancestry staff member that I will get him the =
new=20
>name as soon as possible which will hopefully be updated before it goes =
to=20
>press.
>
>I don't know that Ancestry wants this book to be public knowledge yet.  =
I=20
>started to just answer the questions and send it back and thought =
better=20
>of it.  I will NOT put this on board-l and I would appreciate your not=20
>mentioning it off this list.  I don't have permission to share this =
with=20
>the world.  There ARE some things that are just not for public =
consumption=20
>that do involve the day-to-day business of this board.
>
>Betsy
>
>
>At 08:09 PM 7/24/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>Since Tim will no longer be the National Coordinator by the FIRST
>>time the book is printed, and we don't yet know who will be, it
>>seems pointless to list any person as the contact. I would suggest
>>that we just put something like...
>>
>>"varies, see http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho-index.html
>>for updated contact information"
>>
>> >
>> >USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the counties =
and
>> >place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in =
the
>> >USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the USGenWeb
>> >Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated and
>> >uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.
>>
>>Let's not use "USGW" except in informal communications. There might be
>>trademark or service mark issues.
>>
>>Also, I think this is yet another question that should have been asked
>>on BOARD-L.
>>
>>Board-L is the list for normal, daily business of running the project,
>>of "being the board".
>>
>>Board-Exec-L is for topics that are especially sensitive, usually =
because
>>they involve grievances or personal matters.
>
>



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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Survey for Ancestry.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:06:04 -0500
References: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010726173415.02f39180@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010724221636.041a06b0@mail.1starnet.com>> =
<<v03130304b783e682386f@[153.32.54.145]>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010724211534.04019260@mail.1starnet.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010727071442.00c32a20@mail.bright.net>>


I wish you would have included what you wanted it to say.  I don't have=20
time to try to figure out what we are currently.  And you don't want me =
to=20
put what *I* think we are currently.  <G>  A group of people who would=20
rather spend their time arguing and worrying about the rules instead of=20
doing what I think was the purpose - putting information online to help=20
folks do genealogical research.

Betsy


At 07:16 AM 7/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
>At 05:34 PM 7/26/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hmmm?  No more comments?  I need to send this back to him tomorrow.
>
>I would like to have seen a bit less emphasis on our history and more =
on=20
>what we are currently in that first section.
>
>
>>Betsy
>>
>>
>>At 10:20 PM 7/24/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>>I have already told the Ancestry staff member that I will get him the =

>>>new name as soon as possible which will hopefully be updated before =
it=20
>>>goes to press.
>>>
>>>I don't know that Ancestry wants this book to be public knowledge=20
>>>yet.  I started to just answer the questions and send it back and=20
>>>thought better of it.  I will NOT put this on board-l and I would=20
>>>appreciate your not mentioning it off this list.  I don't have=20
>>>permission to share this with the world.  There ARE some things that =
are=20
>>>just not for public consumption that do involve the day-to-day =
business=20
>>>of this board.
>>>
>>>Betsy
>>>
>>>
>>>At 08:09 PM 7/24/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>Since Tim will no longer be the National Coordinator by the FIRST
>>>>time the book is printed, and we don't yet know who will be, it
>>>>seems pointless to list any person as the contact. I would suggest
>>>>that we just put something like...
>>>>
>>>>"varies, see http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho-index.html
>>>>for updated contact information"
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >USGenWeb Project volunteers transcribe census data for the =
counties and
>>>> >place copies of those transcriptions on their county websites, in =
the
>>>> >USGenWeb Archives, in the USGW Census Project and/or in the =
USGenWeb
>>>> >Archive Census Project.  In addition, census images are donated =
and
>>>> >uploaded into the USGenWeb Archives.
>>>>
>>>>Let's not use "USGW" except in informal communications. There might =
be
>>>>trademark or service mark issues.
>>>>
>>>>Also, I think this is yet another question that should have been =
asked
>>>>on BOARD-L.
>>>>
>>>>Board-L is the list for normal, daily business of running the =
project,
>>>>of "being the board".
>>>>
>>>>Board-Exec-L is for topics that are especially sensitive, usually =
because
>>>>they involve grievances or personal matters.
>
>



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:26:05 -0400


It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person, or
merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.

If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC Chair =
Linda
H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people who =
have
dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is legit, =
and I
will keep you informed of what we find out.

Shari


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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:03:01 -0400
References: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Lord, help us.

Linda  H-D had sent an inquiry to Gerri and Kelli, asking them =
point-blank
about the allegation.  Linda has just posted Kelli's response to the
Elections mailing list.  It is written in a wild, rambling style, with a
number of horrible, hurtful, potentially inflammatory accusations of a
number of people, including several board members.  These accusations =
run
the gamut from allegations of wrong-doing within the project to =
accusations
of affairs, addictions, and other *very* personal issues.

Among those CC'd on this note from Kelli was Teresa Lindquist, and Kelli
told her to feel free to post it to the DBS.

Hang on tight,

Shari

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:26 AM
Subject: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem


> It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
> problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
> regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person,
or
> merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
>
> If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC Chair
Linda
> H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people =
who
have
> dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is legit, =
and
I
> will keep you informed of what we find out.
>
> Shari
>
>


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From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:16:28 -0500
References: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<002301c11776$656b5fc0$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Name: Geraldine Newton
Email: Rootbound@mailandnews.com
Remote IP address: 1Cust62.tnt2.lakeland.fl.da.uu.net

Name: Kelly Courtney-Blizzard
Email: kellygirl3398@mpinet.net
Remote IP address: 216-53-218-065.ppp.mpinet.net
Registrant: Duro Communications (MPINET2-DOM) 1101 Keller Rd Suite E=20
Orlando, FL 32810


Interesting to say the least.

Betsy


At 11:03 AM 7/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Lord, help us.
>
>Linda  H-D had sent an inquiry to Gerri and Kelli, asking them =
point-blank
>about the allegation.  Linda has just posted Kelli's response to the
>Elections mailing list.  It is written in a wild, rambling style, with =
a
>number of horrible, hurtful, potentially inflammatory accusations of a
>number of people, including several board members.  These accusations =
run
>the gamut from allegations of wrong-doing within the project to =
accusations
>of affairs, addictions, and other *very* personal issues.
>
>Among those CC'd on this note from Kelli was Teresa Lindquist, and =
Kelli
>told her to feel free to post it to the DBS.
>
>Hang on tight,
>
>Shari
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:26 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
>
>
> > It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a =
possible
> > problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
> > regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person,
>or
> > merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
> >
> > If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC =
Chair
>Linda
> > H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people =
who
>have
> > dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is =
legit, and
>I
> > will keep you informed of what we find out.
> >
> > Shari
> >
> >



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:46:20 -0500
References: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>
In-Reply-To: <<002301c11776$656b5fc0$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 11:03 AM 7/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Lord, help us.
>
>Linda  H-D had sent an inquiry to Gerri and Kelli, asking them =
point-blank
>about the allegation.  Linda has just posted Kelli's response to the
>Elections mailing list.  It is written in a wild, rambling style, with =
a
>number of horrible, hurtful, potentially inflammatory accusations of a
>number of people, including several board members.  These accusations =
run
>the gamut from allegations of wrong-doing within the project to =
accusations
>of affairs, addictions, and other *very* personal issues.

who made the allegations? Kelly or did she allege that someone else did?


>Among those CC'd on this note from Kelli was Teresa Lindquist, and =
Kelli
>told her to feel free to post it to the DBS.
>
>Hang on tight,
>
>Shari
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
>To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:26 AM
>Subject: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
>
>
> > It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a =
possible
> > problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
> > regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person,
>or
> > merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
> >
> > If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC =
Chair
>Linda
> > H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people =
who
>have
> > dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is =
legit, and
>I
> > will keep you informed of what we find out.
> >
> > Shari
> >
> >



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:17:49 -0400
References: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>> =
<<4.3.2.7.2.20010728114548.00dcfef0@mail.bright.net>>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Holly Timm" <hollyft@bright.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem



> who made the allegations? Kelly or did she allege that someone else =
did?
>

Some allegations were made by Kelly.  For others, she was repeating =
rumors
she'd heard from someone else.

Shari

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From: "Diane Parsons" <ky.quest@gte.net>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re.. Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:59:10 -0400


Very interesting, as she is running for the
small spot as I  ! <g>

I just tried to bring up her campaign site ,
and I got   ""The requested URL /~censlook/Gerri/ was not found on this
server""


Keep us posted.

Diane Montgomery Parsons



> It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
> problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
> regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person,
or
> merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
>

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From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome <rainelane@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:00:40 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


Shari,

I am most definitely interested in further details...

Thanks
Sunny

At 08:26 AM 7/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
>problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
>regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person, or
>merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
>
>If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC Chair =
Linda
>H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people who =
have
>dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is legit, =
and I
>will keep you informed of what we find out.



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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 09:55:17 -0500
In-Reply-To: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


At 08:26 AM 7/28/01 -0400, you wrote:
>It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
>problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
>regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person, or
>merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
>
>If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC Chair =
Linda
>H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people who =
have
>dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is legit, =
and I
>will keep you informed of what we find out.

Shari, please keep us posted on this issue.


>Shari



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Possible Election Problem
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:26:25 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<004101c11760$791e1b40$51c40a41@newhvn1.mi.home.com>>


I've also just read Shari's latest note - so this will give you a bit =
more
info.

At 08:26 AM 7/28/01 -0400, Shari wrote:
>It has come to the attention of the Election Committee that a possible
>problem exists.  It has been reported to us that there is suspicion
>regarding whether candidate Geraldine (Gerri) Newton is an actual =
person, or
>merely an alias for Kelli Courtney-Blizzard.
>
>If you'd like further details, let me know.  In the meantime, EC Chair =
Linda
>H-D has several emails out asking for more info from various people who =
have
>dealings with Kelli and/or Gerri and who might know if Gerri is legit, =
and I
>will keep you informed of what we find out.

As requested on the -all list, I sent in the following note to Linda, EC =
chair
on 7/26:

Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an=20
alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the Census =

Project.

Tim
****************
This AM, I rec'd a letter of reply to a note that Linda sent to =
Gerri/Kelly.

Kelly, who certainly should be able to defend herself, went into a =
tirade.
Her note was to Linda Davenport, Ms. Lindquist, Maggie and myself.

She made some serious allegations - but also went into areas of personal
privacy and/or gossip.  Some of this I'd heard tell of, some not. This
included
some Board members.  Either way I'd rather not know these allegations - =
as=20
most have nothing whatsoever to do with the Project.

One thing she did say was that Gerri, in no way intends to serve on the =
Board,
due to the stress factor.  She has, according to Kelly, given up most of =
her
counties due to a health issue.

Lastly she encouraged Teresa to use any/all in the DBS - heaven only =
knows
what form that will take....

This is all I feel I can say at this time, without the permission of =
Kelly to
forward her note to you.

Tim



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:26:46 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>>


Linda,

All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) or
Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore =
than
I already have under assumed names.

Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that I
didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so =
that's
how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.

Maggie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: EC request


Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.

The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an alias. =
The
writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other than
your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?

The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a =
candidate
running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
response:
**************
Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the Census
Project.
*************
Can you shed any light on this?

Thank you so much for your help.

Linda
lhaasdav@mindspring.com
homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:26:53 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>>


Linda,

All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) or
Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore =
than
I already have under assumed names.

Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that I
didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so =
that's
how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.

Maggie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: EC request


Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.

The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an alias. =
The
writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other than
your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?

The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a =
candidate
running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
response:
**************
Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the Census
Project.
*************
Can you shed any light on this?

Thank you so much for your help.

Linda
lhaasdav@mindspring.com
homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:27:46 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>>


Linda,

All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) or
Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore =
than
I already have under assumed names.

Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that I
didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so =
that's
how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.

Maggie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
Subject: EC request


Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.

The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an alias. =
The
writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other than
your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?

The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a =
candidate
running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
response:
**************
Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the Census
Project.
*************
Can you shed any light on this?

Thank you so much for your help.

Linda
lhaasdav@mindspring.com
homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:08:41 -0700
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>>


MaggieOhio wrote:
=20
> Linda,

<snip>

> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so =
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>=20
> Maggie

Maggie & Tim:

When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?

-Isaiah



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:53:57 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B630DB9.B2CAE773@cs.com>>


Tim had been informed. He took it to the EC which is the proper place =
not
the Board.

Maggie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


MaggieOhio wrote:

> Linda,

<snip>

> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that
I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>
> Maggie

Maggie & Tim:

When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?

-Isaiah


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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:47:43 -0700
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B630DB9.B2CAE773@cs.com>> =
<<094c01c117ca$1489eaa0$0300a8c0@local.net>>


MaggieOhio wrote:
>=20
> Tim had been informed. He took it to the EC which is the proper place =
not
> the Board.
>=20
> Maggie
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
> To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request

> Maggie & Tim:
>=20
> When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?
>=20
> -Isaiah

Bad answer. You don't say WHEN it happened and Tim did not take it to
the EC. Besides, the Board would have been the proper place to take a
situation of this level of seriousness.

Again, WHEN did it happen?

-Isaiah
--=20
Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard



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From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome <rainelane@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:59:14 -0400
References: <<3B63794F.5866F16C@cs.com>> =
<<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B630DB9.B2CAE773@cs.com>> =
<<094c01c117ca$1489eaa0$0300a8c0@local.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<4.3.2.7.2.20010729080423.00bbd200@mail.bright.net>>


At 08:05 AM 7/29/01 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:47 PM 7/28/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>>Bad answer. You don't say WHEN it happened and Tim did not take it to
>>the EC. Besides, the Board would have been the proper place to take a
>>situation of this level of seriousness.
>
>Actually I would say both the Board AND the EC should have been =
notified=20
>at the same time.

I'd like to know why it wasn't taken *anywhere*, and just left to =
fester....

Sunny



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From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 20:10:56 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>>


Maggie, is it true that you received two passwords?

Thanks
Joe

MaggieOhio wrote:
>=20
> Linda,
>=20
> All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) =
or
> Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore =
than
> I already have under assumed names.
>=20
> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so =
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>=20
> Maggie
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
> Subject: EC request
>=20
> Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
> the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.
>=20
> The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
> two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an =
alias. The
> writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other =
than
> your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
> any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?
>=20
> The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a =
candidate
> running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
> response:
> **************
> Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
> alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the =
Census
> Project.
> *************
> Can you shed any light on this?
>=20
> Thank you so much for your help.
>=20
> Linda
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
> list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n

--=20
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:04:48 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B635490.E523A03A@starband.net>>


Joe,

Did you not read what I sent to Exec on the EC and problems I had?   I
received three passwords and it's been sorted out.

Maggie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


Maggie, is it true that you received two passwords?

Thanks
Joe

MaggieOhio wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) =
or
> Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore
than
> I already have under assumed names.
>
> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that
I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>
> Maggie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
> Subject: EC request
>
> Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
> the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.
>
> The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
> two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an =
alias.
The
> writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other =
than
> your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
> any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?
>
> The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a
candidate
> running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
> response:
> **************
> Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
> alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the =
Census
> Project.
> *************
> Can you shed any light on this?
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
> Linda
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
> list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n

--
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
Ramsey County, ND  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm



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From: "MaggieOhio" <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:04:48 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B635490.E523A03A@starband.net>>


Joe,

Did you not read what I sent to Exec on the EC and problems I had?   I
received three passwords and it's been sorted out.

Maggie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


Maggie, is it true that you received two passwords?

Thanks
Joe

MaggieOhio wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) =
or
> Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore
than
> I already have under assumed names.
>
> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that
I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>
> Maggie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> To: <MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:01 AM
> Subject: EC request
>
> Hi Maggie: The EC is need of some help please. The first concerns you =
and
> the 2nd concerns a member of your CP.
>
> The EC has received an e-mail message that reports that you have =
received
> two passwords - one as Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and one under an =
alias.
The
> writer told us that you maintain a site or sites under a name other =
than
> your own. Is this correct? Do you maintain any site for the USGenWeb =
under
> any names other than Maggie Zimmerman-Stewart and Maggie Stewart?
>
> The 2nd question concerns a post Tim made on the ALL list about a
candidate
> running under an assumed name. When I asked him about this I received =
this
> response:
> **************
> Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
> alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the =
Census
> Project.
> *************
> Can you shed any light on this?
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
> Linda
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
> homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas
> Marion Co AR: http://rootsweb.com/~armarion
> list hostess: h.a.a.s / h.a.s.s / l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n

--
Zsedeny Genealogy  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm
NDGenWeb Archives  - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm
Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm
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From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:05:44 -0500
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B630DB9.B2CAE773@cs.com>> =
<<094c01c117ca$1489eaa0$0300a8c0@local.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B63794F.5866F16C@cs.com>>


At 07:47 PM 7/28/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>Bad answer. You don't say WHEN it happened and Tim did not take it to
>the EC. Besides, the Board would have been the proper place to take a
>situation of this level of seriousness.

Actually I would say both the Board AND the EC should have been notified =
at=20
the same time.

Holly



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From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:41:35 -0400
References: <<003e01c1175e$6ea8b780$0500a8c0@Pavilion>> =
<<020f01c1178b$09a53700$0300a8c0@local.net>> =
<<3B630DB9.B2CAE773@cs.com>> =
<<094c01c117ca$1489eaa0$0300a8c0@local.net>>
In-Reply-To: <<3B63794F.5866F16C@cs.com>>


Personally I don't remember when 'it' happened that Maggie informed me =
of
her concerns.

However, I really don't know why Maggie would bother informing the Board
about much of
anything as EVERY other issue concerning this election her fellow =
members
have pooh-poohed
and either ignored them or complained in open IRC channels that they =
were
tired of hearing
about the EC.

That being the case I don't condemn her for not saying anything here.
Since she's received
much the same treatment from the EC - the same goes for her saying =
anything
further to them.

Tim

At 07:47 PM 7/28/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>MaggieOhio wrote:
>>=20
>> Tim had been informed. He took it to the EC which is the proper place =
not
>> the Board.
>>=20
>> Maggie
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
>> To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
>
>> Maggie & Tim:
>>=20
>> When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?
>>=20
>> -Isaiah
>
>Bad answer. You don't say WHEN it happened and Tim did not take it to
>the EC. Besides, the Board would have been the proper place to take a
>situation of this level of seriousness.
>
>Again, WHEN did it happen?
>
>-Isaiah



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From: Richard Harrison <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Message from EC Chair
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:52:57 -0700


Linda Haas Davenport has asked me to forward this message to
Board-Exec.]
-Isaiah

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:00:35 -0500
From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
References: <3B631F5E.7214BE5F@cs.com>

Hi Richard: I'm going to assume that you are asking in your official
position as an AB member. Here we go (and don't you like the nice neat
records the EC keeps?<G>)

********************
Kelly:
*********
Nomination for Rep At Large
06-13-01 All emails to Linda
06-13-01 Thanked candidate
06-13-01 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard declined
06-13-01 Advised candidate nominator asked to remain anonymous
06-13-01 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard asked who nominated her
06-13-01 Requested verification from Nancy Tice of Kelly's position &
time
w/ project
06-13-01 Notified nominator
06-13-01 Notified candidate
06-13-01 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard <k.blizzard@verizon.net> for
Representative-at-Large

*******************
Nomination for Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Representative
6/18/01  All emails to Linda
6/18/01  E-mail to nominator notifying them that nominee had accepted
6/18/01  Thanked Candidate
6/18/01  Kelly Courtney-Blizzard accepted
6/17/01 Kelly had already been verified on 6/13/01
6/17/01  Notified candidate
6/17/01  notified nominator
6/17/01 Kelly Courtney-Blizzard <k.blizzard@verizon.net> for
Northwest/Plains County Coordinator
****************

Kelly withdrew on Jun 25, 01
****************

Gerri
******
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
06-08-2001 Received nomination for Geraldine (Gerri) Newton as SE/MA CC
Rep.
06-08-2001 Notified nominee
06-08-2001 Notified nominator,(received thank you)
06-08-2001 Requested verification of service as CC from KYGW SC, Nancy
Trice
06-08-2001 Received accept from Geraldine (Gerri) Newton
06-08-2001 Notified nominator her candidate had accepted
06-08-2001 Received verification of service as CC from KYGW SC, Nancy
Trice
06-08-2001 all copies to Linda
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As for me finding out about this:

My computer was down and I was off line for several days. When I got
back
on-line I had messages from several people forwarding me a copy of Tim's
message from the ALL list. I posted a message on the EC list (July 21st)
asking if anyone knew anything about Tim's allegations. No one did.
Neither
Tim nor Maggie had notified anyone on the EC or me.

On Jul 26 I sent this message to Tim I got back his answer on July 27th
**********
> Hi Tim:
>
>>You wrote on the ALL list:
>>: That the electorate needs to be informed that such a shenanigan is
>>:possibly
>>: going on does need exposing.  The person in question was challenged
>>by
> one
>>: Project member but to my knowledge the EC has not been made aware of
>>this : other than if some of their members have read this thread.
>>Since there : seems to be no concern about this matter I suppose it =
can
>>just lie with :the rest of the election irregularities.
>
> Want to tell me about this?

Supposedly Geraldine Newton is none other than Kelly Blizzard using an
alias.  She reportedly used this alias before in working with the Census
Project.

Tim
tstowell@chattanooga.net

*******************

I waited until this morning to start asking questions. I felt that I
needed
the week-end to be able to adequately handle the problems that would
result
from this.

This morning I wrote to:
Gerri
Kelly
Nancy Trice
Maggie
Linda Lewis

You have seen the reply from Kelly.

I have not yet received an answer from Gerri who is not at home today.

Linda Lewis was away from her home computer and said she would answer me
later.

Nancy Trice responded:
******************
Yes I do.  Gerri is sick and has turned everything over to Kelly
Blizzard to handle for her until she is well. Kelly is Gerri's niece.
;-)
nt

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Haas Davenport [mailto:lhaasdav@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:53 AM
To: trice@vci.net
Subject: A problem with one of your CCs (Election Committee)


Hi Nancy:

The EC is having a bit of a problem that I hope you can help me with.
Tim
posted a message on the ALL list saying that one of the candidates was
running under an assumed name. I had some people send me copies of the
message and I wrote to Tim. I'll paste the information below. Do you
know
anything about Gerri being Kelly?

********************
Here is my question to Tim and his answer:
*********************

>>  snipped <<  I had included the message above
***********************
Then I got back a reply from Maggie:

Linda,

All my USGenWeb Counties/Sites are as Maggie Stewart (my legal name) or
Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman.  I don't have the time to be running anymore
than
I already have under assumed names.

Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's
her
aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message
that I
didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls
she
would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so
that's
how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.

Maggie
************

At this time the EC has a motion on the floor to accept Gerri as a
variable
candidate. When the voting is completed we will notify the AB.

I do want to stress that neither Tim nor Maggie ever contacted the EC
about
this problem. The EC's first knowledge of any problem at all was Tim's
post
on the ALL list and I had to write to him asking what was going on.

As for the e-mails about Maggie having an assumed name that is in
confidence
and is being addressed completely separately from the Kelly / Gerrie
issue.

Hope this answers your questions and I would appreciate it if you would
please post this on Board Exec.

Thanks.


Linda Haas Davenport
Chair, USGenWeb Election Committee
lhaasdav@mindspring.com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
To: <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject: Some Questions


> Hi Linda-
>
> This is fun, isn't it? ;-{
>
> On what date did Geraldine accept her candidacy? On what date did =
Kelly
> accept hers? On what date did Kelly withdraw as a candidate?
>
> When did you first find out anything about this (Other than Tim's post
> to the ALL list?
>
> Thanks
> -Isaiah
>
> --
> Richard Harrison/Encinitas, San Diego, California
> USGenWeb Northwest/Plains County Coordinator Rep
> Jones Co. IAGenWeb Coord.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iajones/index.htm
> Jones Co. List Owner: IAJONES-L@rootsweb.com
> IOWA-L List Owner: IOWA-L@rootsweb.com
> Richard's Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richard
>



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:50:08 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<094c01c117ca$1489eaa0$0300a8c0@local.net>>


Actually, he took it (or actually, just a vague insinuation of it) to =
the
ALL-L list.  It was only when Linda H-D asked him directly about it that =
he
told the EC who he was talking about.

-----Original Message-----
From: MaggieOhio [mailto:MaggieOhio@columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:54 PM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


Tim had been informed. He took it to the EC which is the proper place =
not
the Board.

Maggie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


MaggieOhio wrote:

> Linda,

<snip>

> Kelly used the alias Geraldine Newton when she worked for my CP.  It's =
her
> aunts name.  When I saw her election candidacy, I sent her a message =
that
I
> didn't think it was ethical for her to run under an assumed name, she
> started spamming me with threats of things like taped telephone calls =
she
> would put online, ect.  I had bcced Tim Stowell to protect myself so
that's
> how he knew about the issue.  I decided to let it drop.
>
> Maggie

Maggie & Tim:

When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?

-Isaiah


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From: shari@tyaskin.com
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: Please forward to the AB
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:32:38 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: Holly <hollyft@bright.net>; <tstowell@chattanooga.net>;
<shari@tyaskin.com>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: Please forward to the AB


> The Following Motion was made and seconded:
>
> I move the EC accept the explanations of Nancy Trice and Kelly =
Blizzard
> by keeping Geraldine Newton on the ballot as a candidate for
> Southeast/Mid-Atlantic County Coordinator Representative.
>
> Voting Response was as follows:
>
> Keith: Yes
> Kenny: No
> Sara: Yes
> LaRae: Yes
> Alice: Yes
> Marti: Yes
> Teresa: Yes
> Bob:  No Response
>
> The motion passes with 6 yea, 1 nay and 1 abstain
>
> Linda Haas Davenport
> Chair, USGenWeb Election Committee



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From: "Pam Reid" <pamreid@home.com>
Subject: RE: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:27:53 -0400
In-Reply-To: <<3.0.5.32.20010729144135.014867c0@mail.chattanooga.net>>


I am not criticizing Maggie or anyone else in what I am about to say.  =
But,
it does seem to me that this attitude is similar to deciding not to tell
someone their house is on fire because they didn't show what you =
consider to
be an appropriate reaction when you had told them previously that there =
were
racoons in their trash can.

If someone is indeed running for office under an assumed name, that is =
quite
a serious thing.  The Board should have been informed.  While it is true
that we, as a Board, don't seem to be able to accomplish much in tandem, =
an
issue this serious should most certainly have been raised.

The USGenWeb Project is suffering from the divisionist attitudes that =
seem
to prevail these days.  I don't know about the rest of you, but this
certainly does distress me.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net]
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 2:42 PM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request


Personally I don't remember when 'it' happened that Maggie informed me =
of
her concerns.

However, I really don't know why Maggie would bother informing the Board
about much of
anything as EVERY other issue concerning this election her fellow =
members
have pooh-poohed
and either ignored them or complained in open IRC channels that they =
were
tired of hearing
about the EC.

That being the case I don't condemn her for not saying anything here.
Since she's received
much the same treatment from the EC - the same goes for her saying =
anything
further to them.

Tim

At 07:47 PM 7/28/01 -0700, Richard Harrison wrote:
>MaggieOhio wrote:
>>
>> Tim had been informed. He took it to the EC which is the proper place =
not
>> the Board.
>>
>> Maggie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Harrison" <IsaiahHarrison@cs.com>
>> To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 3:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Re: EC request
>
>> Maggie & Tim:
>>
>> When did this happen? Why wasn't the Board informed at that time?
>>
>> -Isaiah
>
>Bad answer. You don't say WHEN it happened and Tim did not take it to
>the EC. Besides, the Board would have been the proper place to take a
>situation of this level of seriousness.
>
>Again, WHEN did it happen?
>
>-Isaiah



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: [Board-Exec] Fw: To the AB
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:49:55 -0400


----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
To: EC List <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>; <shari@tyaskin.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:02 AM
Subject: To the AB


> Shari will you please be kind and forward this message on to the AB
> (EXEC-L)? Thank you.
> *********************
> To all Advisory Board Members:
>
> As all of you are aware there have been allegations made about bogus =
names
> being used in the Special Projects. The EC has reported in the past =
that
> during the time the voter list was being compiled it was necessary for =
the
> EC members to visit some state and Special Project sites and gather =
names
> and e-mail addresses by hand. The Census Project was one of those. =
Because
> of this the EC was extremely concerned when the allegations about =
bogus
> names came up. The EC contacted several people asking for information =
and
> for any names that they felt were bogus. The EC received 6 names to =
try
and
> verify. Some of the names were impossible to verify except through =
Maggie
> Stewart and it was felt that because Maggie was the one being accused =
of
> putting up false names that the EC could not ask Maggie without =
becoming
> involved in the allegations that have been made.
>
> Here are the names that were submitted to the EC and the information
> concerning each one. If in the next week or so the EC can verify any =
of
> these people as not bogus we will notify the AB.
>
> Terri Shipp - vetted by her SC as a real person
> Mary Baker - was on the list but has not voted - password blocked
> Tammy Richards  - was on the list but has not voted - password blocked
> Tom Kraft - not on our list
> Shawndra McCormick - not on out list
> Janyce King - not on our list
>
> After this election is over the EC will be forwarding this list =
(excluding
> Terri Shipp) to Linda Lewis to follow up on since the names are from =
the
> Census Project.
>
> If there are other bogus names on the voter list the EC has no way of
> knowing. These were the only names the EC received.
>
> If you should have any questions please feel free to ask.
>
> Linda Haas Davenport
> Chair, USGenWeb Election Committee
> lhaasdav@mindspring.com
>

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From: Joy Fisher <jfisher@ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: To the AB
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:43:19 -0700
In-Reply-To: <<003001c119d0$110de5e0$d126fb40@handley>>


Why would this be forwarded to Linda Lewis after the election?? Neither =
CP=20
is part of the USGenWeb Archives.

At 10:49 AM 31 07 2001 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
>To: EC List <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>; <shari@tyaskin.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:02 AM
>Subject: To the AB
>
>
> > Shari will you please be kind and forward this message on to the AB
> > (EXEC-L)? Thank you.

<big snip>

> > After this election is over the EC will be forwarding this list =
(excluding
> > Terri Shipp) to Linda Lewis to follow up on since the names are from =
the
> > Census Project.



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From: "Shari Handley" <shari@tyaskin.com>
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: To the AB
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:41:32 -0400
References: <<5.0.2.1.2.20010731094051.022c9c70@pop3.norton.antivirus>>


Actually, I don't know.  I will forward your question to Linda H-D.

Shari

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Fisher" <jfisher@ucla.edu>
To: <Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-Exec] Fw: To the AB


> Why would this be forwarded to Linda Lewis after the election?? =
Neither CP
> is part of the USGenWeb Archives.
>
> At 10:49 AM 31 07 2001 -0400, Shari Handley wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Linda Haas Davenport <lhaasdav@mindspring.com>
> >To: EC List <ELECTIONS-L@rootsweb.com>; <shari@tyaskin.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:02 AM
> >Subject: To the AB
> >
> >
> > > Shari will you please be kind and forward this message on to the =
AB
> > > (EXEC-L)? Thank you.
>
> <big snip>
>
> > > After this election is over the EC will be forwarding this list
(excluding
> > > Terri Shipp) to Linda Lewis to follow up on since the names are =
from
the
> > > Census Project.



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> Okay, I think everybody is set up correctly on the Board-exec, Board-L and
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> Okay, I think everybody is set up correctly on the Board-exec, Board-L and
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I salute the changing of the guard !

Diane Montgomery Parsons

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I am in and out - just watered the veggies :) Jana

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Okay, I think everybody is set up correctly on the Board-exec, Board-L and 
State-Coord mail lists. Please let me know if you experience any 
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>From: Holly Timm <hollyft@bright.net>
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>Okay, I think everybody is set up correctly on the Board-exec, Board-L and
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Here!
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At 04:08 PM 9/1/2001, you wrote:
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Hi,

I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com... does
anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
quoted (w/o a source or url) is:

when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
mention of rootsweb.com in this message.

The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com) into
one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.

On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
and everything looks as usual...

Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
ago.... any real information anywhere???

Jana

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Jana Black wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
> there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com... does
> anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
> deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
> quoted (w/o a source or url) is:
> 
> when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
> message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
> mention of rootsweb.com in this message.
> 
> The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
> temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
> which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
> powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com) into
> one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
> which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
> message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
> as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
> genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.
> 
> On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
> and everything looks as usual...
> 
> Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
> ago.... any real information anywhere???
> 
> Jana

All I've heard is that many people are having trouble connecting to Ancestry. 
I can't. It is probably just a technical problem. The item you quoted sounds 
like a leftover from the message board transition.

Most likely just rumors. If there were a sale it wouldn't result in their 
site being down.

-Isaiah

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Ancestry is experiencing some DNS (Domain Name Service) problems "up stream"
from them.  Some folks are experiencing problems reach the boards and others
aren't.

Nate

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Jana Black wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
> there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com...
does
> anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
> deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
> quoted (w/o a source or url) is:
>
> when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
> message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
> mention of rootsweb.com in this message.
>
> The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
> temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
> which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
> powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com)
into
> one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
> which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
> message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
> as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
> genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.
>
> On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
> and everything looks as usual...
>
> Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
> ago.... any real information anywhere???
>
> Jana

All I've heard is that many people are having trouble connecting to
Ancestry.
I can't. It is probably just a technical problem. The item you quoted sounds
like a leftover from the message board transition.

Most likely just rumors. If there were a sale it wouldn't result in their
site being down.

-Isaiah

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Hi,

I checked a bit further and got a reply from a "reliable source" who told me
that iwon.com and ancestry.com have created a partnership page, that's all.
There has been no sale. That and the DNS problems Nathan mentioned would
explain it all.

For my own edification, since this conversation was taking place on the
TXgenweb-L, is there an official protocol for quelling this kind of thing?

Thanks,
Jana

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM
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Jana Black wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
> there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com...
does
> anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
> deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
> quoted (w/o a source or url) is:
>
> when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
> message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
> mention of rootsweb.com in this message.
>
> The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
> temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
> which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
> powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com)
into
> one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
> which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
> message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
> as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
> genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.
>
> On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
> and everything looks as usual...
>
> Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
> ago.... any real information anywhere???
>
> Jana

All I've heard is that many people are having trouble connecting to
Ancestry.
I can't. It is probably just a technical problem. The item you quoted sounds
like a leftover from the message board transition.

Most likely just rumors. If there were a sale it wouldn't result in their
site being down.

-Isaiah


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Egad, a PARTNERED page, not a partnership page - it is too late, I am going
to bed! Sorry - Jana

-----Original Message-----
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Hi,

I checked a bit further and got a reply from a "reliable source" who told me
that iwon.com and ancestry.com have created a partnership page, that's all.
There has been no sale. That and the DNS problems Nathan mentioned would
explain it all.

For my own edification, since this conversation was taking place on the
TXgenweb-L, is there an official protocol for quelling this kind of thing?

Thanks,
Jana

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM
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Jana Black wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
> there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com...
does
> anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
> deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
> quoted (w/o a source or url) is:
>
> when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
> message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
> mention of rootsweb.com in this message.
>
> The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
> temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
> which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
> powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com)
into
> one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
> which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
> message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
> as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
> genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.
>
> On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
> and everything looks as usual...
>
> Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
> ago.... any real information anywhere???
>
> Jana

All I've heard is that many people are having trouble connecting to
Ancestry.
I can't. It is probably just a technical problem. The item you quoted sounds
like a leftover from the message board transition.

Most likely just rumors. If there were a sale it wouldn't result in their
site being down.

-Isaiah


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Jana Black wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I checked a bit further and got a reply from a "reliable source" who told me
> that iwon.com and ancestry.com have created a partnership page, that's all.
> There has been no sale. That and the DNS problems Nathan mentioned would
> explain it all.
> 
> For my own edification, since this conversation was taking place on the
> TXgenweb-L, is there an official protocol for quelling this kind of thing?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jana

No official protocol. Just o respond with the facts. Nathan explained it much 
better than I was able to.

This interchange does point up another use of the exec list.

-Isaiah

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Subject: 
             UPDATE: *.ancestry.com connectivity
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             Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:42:24 -0600
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             Listowners-L@rootsweb.com
        Date: 
             Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:41:26 -0700
        From: 
             Vicki Lindsay Thauvin <vicki@rootsweb.com>
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             Listowners-L@rootsweb.com




Everyone,

The connection problem for ancestry.com has been fixed.  Ancestry 
expects it will be another day maybe two before the corrected 
information is globally propagated.

You can connect use http://216.10.103.21/  to connect to ancestry.com

http://63.92.86.187 to connect to boards.ancestry.com

You should be aware if you are unable to use 
http://boards.ancestry.com/ to reach the message boards, you may not 
be able to login to the message boards.  (Please don't ask.)

Thank you for your patience during this crisis.

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Here.

-Teresa

On Sat, 1 Sep 2001, Holly Timm wrote:

> Okay, I think everybody is set up correctly on the Board-exec, Board-L and 
> State-Coord mail lists. Please let me know if you experience any 
> difficulties sending or receiving email to/from the lists.
> 
> Please announce your presence here on the Board-Exec list by responding to 
> this roll call.
> 
> Thanks
> Holly
> 

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No, neither one bought out Ancestry.  Those are partnerships.  See:
http://www.galegroup.com/news_bur/pressroom/jun01_ancestry.htm

The problems with the boards was caused by Internic changing where 
Ancestry's DNS was pointed.  That is one reason that any time you change 
anything with Internic it is scary and takes a chance of messing something 
up and/or changing the wrong thing.  <G>

Betsy
<wearing RootsWeb hat>




At 10:19 PM 9/1/2001, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am asking here as I do not want to begin any rumors... on the TXgenweb-L
>there is talk that ancestry.com got bought out yesterday by iwon.com... does
>anyone know anything? There is supposedly no mention of RW as part of the
>deal (suggesting it has been fully integrated into ancestry). The message
>quoted (w/o a source or url) is:
>
>when you click in the iwon.....ancestry.com site.. it comes up with this
>message when trying to access a surname message board...  there is NO
>mention of rootsweb.com in this message.
>
>The display of message board posts appropriate to this surname is
>temporarily disabled while we transition to our new message board system,
>which will be available shortly. Our new system is the combination of two
>powerful message board systems (i.e., GenConnect and FamilyHistory.com) into
>one -- users will be able to take advantage of a much larger community in
>which to share experience, tips, and genealogical information. The new
>message boards will be indexable by the major Internet search engines, and
>as a result queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from the
>genealogical community will reach the widest possible audience.
>
>On the other hand, I just went to rootsweb.com, clicked on message boards
>and everything looks as usual...
>
>Then came in word that the Gale Group bought out ancestry.com two weeks
>ago.... any real information anywhere???
>
>Jana

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Good morning.... apparently there is a bit more here regarding changes at
ancestry.com. I will also share that my "source" informed me that

1) all the lay offs are expected to be permanent
2) the former RW staff has gone from 39 to 11 in one year
3) more changes are anticipated, likely beginning with the a merger of
mailing lists...

Not sure what any of this means to us, but if anyone can check it out
further so we can offer informed information, we will probably be better off
as a Project...

Jana

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:14 AM
To: TXGEN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [TXGENWEB] Re: More about the Gale Group


Joe,
A partnership of the Gale Group and Ancestry.com is probably nearer correct
and the citation of
http://www.galegroup.com/news_bur/pressroom/jun01_ancestry.htm is surely one
to inspect.

Just an educated guess:  I'm betting the Gale Group  and Thomson Corp. will
take the lead if they wish and when they wish.  They've surely done it with
other companies they've purchased while I watched.  Can't see the "big
picture" yet but I'll wager we will get to.

Margaret Waring
still being run by
Comanche Public Library. :-)


==== TXGEN Mailing List ====
The TXGEN-L/TXGEN-D mailing list is for announcements and the
discussion of issues concerning the volunteers of The TXGenWeb Project.
This is NOT the proper list for posting genealogical research queries.

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According to Motion 01-25, we are to compose a letter (email) to send "to 
the membership via the project lists explaining the situation without any 
emotional editorial and recommending that while the board explores the 
options available, assuring them that we have time available, members check 
their links and change them to .org, which is and should be our main url, 
and send us comments".

Since the parameters of the letter are decided, I think it acceptable to 
get a draft done and fine tune it here for sending. Any volunteers to start 
us off with a draft?

Holly


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Here.

Tina

In a message dated 9/1/2001 3:56:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
hollyft@bright.net writes:


> Please announce your presence here on the Board-Exec list by responding to 
> this roll call.
> 
> Thanks
> Holly
> 
> 



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Hi,

I just reread what I wrote. Before anyone has a chance to misconstrue my
meaning here, on second read, what I wrote appears to me to perhaps suggest
more RW lay offs when I refer to "changes" in #3... This is NOT what I meant
to infer... by changes, I meant undetermined changes in the mailing list
system, but even that is not a forgone conclusion. It results from
conversation on the BOARDS-ADMIN-L which was neither confirmed nor denied by
this source just suggested as a possibility someday.

I think it would be wise also for me to clarify that while I consider my
source to be pretty reliable, the source was not "official"...

We know there has been no buy out, and we know Ancestry was experiencing
some DNS (Domain Name Service) problems "up stream"... this was enough for
me to be able to quell the discussion on the SW-L. I, for one, am very glad
I only spoke here rather than more publicly.

Hope you are all enjoying the nice long weekend! Thanks for putting up with
my need to be sure I am being as clear as I can be :)

Jana


-----Original Message-----
From: Jana Black [mailto:janab@websweweave.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:47 AM
To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [Board-Exec] FW: [TXGENWEB] Re: More about the Gale Group


Good morning.... apparently there is a bit more here regarding changes at
ancestry.com. I will also share that my "source" informed me that

1) all the lay offs are expected to be permanent
2) the former RW staff has gone from 39 to 11 in one year
3) more changes are anticipated, likely beginning with the a merger of
mailing lists...

Not sure what any of this means to us, but if anyone can check it out
further so we can offer informed information, we will probably be better off
as a Project...

Jana

-----Original Message-----
From: Margaret T. Waring [mailto:mtwaring@itexas.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:14 AM
To: TXGEN-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [TXGENWEB] Re: More about the Gale Group


Joe,
A partnership of the Gale Group and Ancestry.com is probably nearer correct
and the citation of
http://www.galegroup.com/news_bur/pressroom/jun01_ancestry.htm is surely one
to inspect.

Just an educated guess:  I'm betting the Gale Group  and Thomson Corp. will
take the lead if they wish and when they wish.  They've surely done it with
other companies they've purchased while I watched.  Can't see the "big
picture" yet but I'll wager we will get to.

Margaret Waring
still being run by
Comanche Public Library. :-)


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