Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:54:48 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811040356.TAA22818@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] here we are the first bunch Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Pam, Yvonne, Holly, Ginger & Trey we're all subbed to the Campaign98 list.. let's see who joins us. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:28:03 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041729.JAA12325@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT First, when I talked to NT on monday, she asked me to remove her as the person who gets the bounces from the SC and Board lists.. I did that.. they are coming to me now.. she also asked me to remove her from the Board-D list. I didn't do that.. I felt that she should be on distribution of the list.. The (very little) mail I've received has been mostly in favor of accepting NTs resignation... and it has been from people who I don't know. I'm on a few state lists as the Census person, and there has not been a big groundswell of interest to say the least. Some have not mentioned it.. some in passing.. One lady in OR suggested that the NC should be able to appoint her own Board I think that she missed something, somewhere We can put on an election in 90 days.. no problem.. I did last years..and we did it in not a lot more time than that. The biggest problem will be getting the lists of CCs from the SCs and scrubbing them.. that is, making sure that no one is on the list more than once.. now some folks are easy (*Yvonne*) but there are others that have a number of counties (in one or more states) who use a lot of different email addresses. I think I am going to ask the SCs to ask their folks to list what other states/counties they have and if the email is different ... Of course, some SCs won't cooperate at all.. they didn't last time. and we ended up with names of CCs with no emails (and how do you host a county without an email address??) and emails with no names. I'm going to write to my old election committee and ask who is available this time. Also, and this is important.. the Election committee needs to be as non-political as possible. One Board rep has already recommended a couple of folks that are political.. she's not on this list yet tho.. So if you know of some *good workers* let me know.. this isn't a job for someone who is just looking for another line on their sig file. I do feel that we need to appoint an "acting" NC.. ..how long can we resonably discuss problems with Nancy? I don't think that our discussions can go on for any length of time...we need to make our points and either find some common ground or accept her resignation. Who to appoint? well, first thing, are any of us interested in running for NC? .... and I feel that the "acting" person should be someone who would not run for the office if we have to have an election.. Just fewer screams from the ALL list. BTW, I'm not interested in running for NC.. Yes, I agree with Ginger, we've tiptoed around.. let ourselves be strangled by the PPP business. I think that we can make some simple rules..(like making sure that we have the item of business we are discussing/voting on in the subject line of our post) and get on with things.. Bob & Pam are both good at PP if need be and can guide us. What to do about the Board-L Archives... I told NT that the only reason we voted to open them was to try to get along with Maureen..(that sure shut her up).. It seemed that if you called her bluff on something she would back down.. We can leave them open and use this (or some other list) to discuss things on. Not the USGW_Discuss list....we need to ask Karen to delete it.. Why?? well 1. NT asked for it without our approval 2. RW didn't turn it over to her- -which upset some folks 3. If we use it, some folks will get upset everytime that they see it.. It just makes sense to get rid of it and ask for another one..(which I'm sure we would get with no problem..) Or we can close Board-L and let them scream.. they are not exactly a representative sample of USGW.. and most CCs are horrified when they see the ALList in action.. One thing that we need to remember is that most CCs don't want to be involved in political infighting. They just want to do their pages and help other folks.. and we are here to make it easier for them.. Kay Date forwarded: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Beth" Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Date sent: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:42:42 -0500 To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Okay gang, we better get going if we are going to meet our deadline. Does > anyone volunteer to take the postion of NC until we can hold a special > election? I don't know anything about RR or pp so my taking over would > either succeed out of pure luck :-) or leave the job to someone with more > knowledge. We also have to get on this special election thing. Does > anyone know how this worked?, I mean to get a ballot to every CC in the > project? If we are going to meet our deadline, we should have a time > table. Like - Nominations for the next 30 days, campaign for 30 days, and > then 30 days for the vote to come in. Just an idea - > > Section 7. In the case of a vacancy in the office of National Coordinator, > the Advisory Board shall elect an Acting National Coordinator from its > membership to serve until a special election can take place within 90 days. > > Beth > ---------- > > From: Yvonne James-Henderson > > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [Campaign98-L] First order of business > > Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 10:30 AM > > > > There have been some very good responses on the USGenWeb-SE-L > > regional list. I am not sure how many of you are on it, > > so I thought I would share it.(Bottom of page) > > > > First order of business, I think we do need to appoint > > someone to be "in charge" until either NT comes back > > or we hold a special election. Who wants to volunteer for > > acting NC? > > > > I think up until now, everyone has been afraid to step on toes, > > but apparently it happened anyway because we tried "too" hard and it made > us > > look ineffectual. > > > > As always, I think frank and open discussion is needed about our plans, > > the by-laws and catching up on old business that has > > been waiting in the wings. > > > > The Board is not dead! Long live the Board > > > > Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] To My Board Reps > > Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) > > From: "George Waller" > > > > I agree with Valerie. > > George > > p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to > > unresign. > > > > On 2 Nov 98 at 23:34, USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > Bridgett, Yvonne and Holly, > > > > > > I have been giving great consideration to the events of the past week. > > > Below are my opinions as a CC. > > > > > > #1. Filling a Board Vacancy. > > > > > > The Board Rep is elected by the majority of votes by the CC's. To > appoint a > > > replacement without consulting the CC's would be an injustice to them. > No > > > offense to anyone on this list, but IMHO this is not the Miss America > pageant > > > and we do not have to "settle for" the first Runner-up. This Project > is > > > important to me just as I am sure it is to everyone else. We wouldn't > be here > > > if it wasn't. I suggest that a special election take place and the > winner (by > > > majority of votes of the CC's) fills the Board seat. If the winner > happens to > > > be the runner-up from the previous election (the probability is high) > then all > > > the better. > > > > > > #2. National Coordinator > > > > > > Let me point out that Nancy was elected by the majority of voting CC's > (and > > > SC's, I believe). (I was in the minority on this particular vote, but > I > > > respect that the majority has spoken.) The majority of CC's are > entitled to > > > have the Board reject Nancy's resignation as NC. Please consider this > my plea > > > that you ask her to reconsider her resignation. Should she decline, > then the > > > by-laws call for a special election. If this is the case, I suggest > you get > > > to it. > > > > > > #3. BOARD-L Archives > > > > > > I think that having the Archives searchable has benefitted those that > have the > > > time and energy to search them. It is interesting reading. But I also > > > believe that my Reps need the tools to do the job that they were > elected, and > > > if having the BOARD-L Archives available publically is hindering the > Board, > > > then I would not have a problem with them being closed again. > > > > > > These are just my humble opinions, > > > > > > Valerie > > > > > > Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net > > > > > > > From: Ellen Pack > > Reply-To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > At 11:46 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >I agree with Valerie. > > >George > > >p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to > > >unresign. > > > > I have to agree with George, for a number of reasons. It was always a > > concern to me that Nancy did not support the By-Laws, especially knowing > > that she did not support *any* By-Laws. I would think that an important > > function of the NC postion would be to uphold the governing "rules" of > the > > organization, and to steer others in that direction. > > > > If Nancy felt an irreconciable difference with having By-Laws, and with > the > > rest of the Board, then I admire her for stepping down, because in effect > > she has placed the interests of the project ahead of her personal > feelings. > > > > Even if we were to "talk" Nancy into returning, I doubt her heart would > be > > in it, and it would not alter the fact that this organization does > operate > > under a set of By-Laws, while Nancy always felt we should have none at > all. > > Best to move on. > > > > I would therefore urge my Reps to accept Nancy's resignation, elect a > > temporary NC, and begin the process of a new election as quickly as > > possible. We need to end the constant squabbling and bickering, begin a > > healing process, and "get on with it." > > > > Ellen > > > > MSGenWeb: > > Resent-From: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:43:18 -0600 > > From: "Carolyn Switzer" > > > > I have always had the experience that if you beg someone to return to a > job > > from which they have resigned, their performance in the job is very poor. > I > > think the Board should continue with the temporary NC process and set up > the > > new election per our bylaws. We did vote for them to be our guidelines. > > > > Carolyn > > Franklin and Jefferson Co. MS CC > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:30:18 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3640730A.68B7EFE8@idt.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There have been some very good responses on the USGenWeb-SE-L regional list. I am not sure how many of you are on it, so I thought I would share it.(Bottom of page) First order of business, I think we do need to appoint someone to be "in charge" until either NT comes back or we hold a special election. Who wants to volunteer for acting NC? I think up until now, everyone has been afraid to step on toes, but apparently it happened anyway because we tried "too" hard and it made us look ineffectual. As always, I think frank and open discussion is needed about our plans, the by-laws and catching up on old business that has been waiting in the wings. The Board is not dead! Long live the Board Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] To My Board Reps Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) From: "George Waller" I agree with Valerie. George p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to unresign. On 2 Nov 98 at 23:34, USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Bridgett, Yvonne and Holly, > > I have been giving great consideration to the events of the past week. > Below are my opinions as a CC. > > #1. Filling a Board Vacancy. > > The Board Rep is elected by the majority of votes by the CC's. To appoint a > replacement without consulting the CC's would be an injustice to them. No > offense to anyone on this list, but IMHO this is not the Miss America pageant > and we do not have to "settle for" the first Runner-up. This Project is > important to me just as I am sure it is to everyone else. We wouldn't be here > if it wasn't. I suggest that a special election take place and the winner (by > majority of votes of the CC's) fills the Board seat. If the winner happens to > be the runner-up from the previous election (the probability is high) then all > the better. > > #2. National Coordinator > > Let me point out that Nancy was elected by the majority of voting CC's (and > SC's, I believe). (I was in the minority on this particular vote, but I > respect that the majority has spoken.) The majority of CC's are entitled to > have the Board reject Nancy's resignation as NC. Please consider this my plea > that you ask her to reconsider her resignation. Should she decline, then the > by-laws call for a special election. If this is the case, I suggest you get > to it. > > #3. BOARD-L Archives > > I think that having the Archives searchable has benefitted those that have the > time and energy to search them. It is interesting reading. But I also > believe that my Reps need the tools to do the job that they were elected, and > if having the BOARD-L Archives available publically is hindering the Board, > then I would not have a problem with them being closed again. > > These are just my humble opinions, > > Valerie > > Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net > From: Ellen Pack Reply-To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com At 11:46 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >I agree with Valerie. >George >p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to >unresign. I have to agree with George, for a number of reasons. It was always a concern to me that Nancy did not support the By-Laws, especially knowing that she did not support *any* By-Laws. I would think that an important function of the NC postion would be to uphold the governing "rules" of the organization, and to steer others in that direction. If Nancy felt an irreconciable difference with having By-Laws, and with the rest of the Board, then I admire her for stepping down, because in effect she has placed the interests of the project ahead of her personal feelings. Even if we were to "talk" Nancy into returning, I doubt her heart would be in it, and it would not alter the fact that this organization does operate under a set of By-Laws, while Nancy always felt we should have none at all. Best to move on. I would therefore urge my Reps to accept Nancy's resignation, elect a temporary NC, and begin the process of a new election as quickly as possible. We need to end the constant squabbling and bickering, begin a healing process, and "get on with it." Ellen MSGenWeb: Resent-From: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:43:18 -0600 From: "Carolyn Switzer" I have always had the experience that if you beg someone to return to a job from which they have resigned, their performance in the job is very poor. I think the Board should continue with the temporary NC process and set up the new election per our bylaws. We did vote for them to be our guidelines. Carolyn Franklin and Jefferson Co. MS CC Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:42:42 -0500 From: "Beth" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041640.LAA11184@dexter.ionia-mi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay gang, we better get going if we are going to meet our deadline. Does anyone volunteer to take the postion of NC until we can hold a special election? I don't know anything about RR or pp so my taking over would either succeed out of pure luck :-) or leave the job to someone with more knowledge. We also have to get on this special election thing. Does anyone know how this worked?, I mean to get a ballot to every CC in the project? If we are going to meet our deadline, we should have a time table. Like - Nominations for the next 30 days, campaign for 30 days, and then 30 days for the vote to come in. Just an idea - Section 7. In the case of a vacancy in the office of National Coordinator, the Advisory Board shall elect an Acting National Coordinator from its membership to serve until a special election can take place within 90 days. Beth ---------- > From: Yvonne James-Henderson > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Campaign98-L] First order of business > Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 10:30 AM > > There have been some very good responses on the USGenWeb-SE-L > regional list. I am not sure how many of you are on it, > so I thought I would share it.(Bottom of page) > > First order of business, I think we do need to appoint > someone to be "in charge" until either NT comes back > or we hold a special election. Who wants to volunteer for > acting NC? > > I think up until now, everyone has been afraid to step on toes, > but apparently it happened anyway because we tried "too" hard and it made us > look ineffectual. > > As always, I think frank and open discussion is needed about our plans, > the by-laws and catching up on old business that has > been waiting in the wings. > > The Board is not dead! Long live the Board > > Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] To My Board Reps > Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) > From: "George Waller" > > I agree with Valerie. > George > p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to > unresign. > > On 2 Nov 98 at 23:34, USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Bridgett, Yvonne and Holly, > > > > I have been giving great consideration to the events of the past week. > > Below are my opinions as a CC. > > > > #1. Filling a Board Vacancy. > > > > The Board Rep is elected by the majority of votes by the CC's. To appoint a > > replacement without consulting the CC's would be an injustice to them. No > > offense to anyone on this list, but IMHO this is not the Miss America pageant > > and we do not have to "settle for" the first Runner-up. This Project is > > important to me just as I am sure it is to everyone else. We wouldn't be here > > if it wasn't. I suggest that a special election take place and the winner (by > > majority of votes of the CC's) fills the Board seat. If the winner happens to > > be the runner-up from the previous election (the probability is high) then all > > the better. > > > > #2. National Coordinator > > > > Let me point out that Nancy was elected by the majority of voting CC's (and > > SC's, I believe). (I was in the minority on this particular vote, but I > > respect that the majority has spoken.) The majority of CC's are entitled to > > have the Board reject Nancy's resignation as NC. Please consider this my plea > > that you ask her to reconsider her resignation. Should she decline, then the > > by-laws call for a special election. If this is the case, I suggest you get > > to it. > > > > #3. BOARD-L Archives > > > > I think that having the Archives searchable has benefitted those that have the > > time and energy to search them. It is interesting reading. But I also > > believe that my Reps need the tools to do the job that they were elected, and > > if having the BOARD-L Archives available publically is hindering the Board, > > then I would not have a problem with them being closed again. > > > > These are just my humble opinions, > > > > Valerie > > > > Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net > > > > From: Ellen Pack > Reply-To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > > At 11:46 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I agree with Valerie. > >George > >p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to > >unresign. > > I have to agree with George, for a number of reasons. It was always a > concern to me that Nancy did not support the By-Laws, especially knowing > that she did not support *any* By-Laws. I would think that an important > function of the NC postion would be to uphold the governing "rules" of the > organization, and to steer others in that direction. > > If Nancy felt an irreconciable difference with having By-Laws, and with the > rest of the Board, then I admire her for stepping down, because in effect > she has placed the interests of the project ahead of her personal feelings. > > Even if we were to "talk" Nancy into returning, I doubt her heart would be > in it, and it would not alter the fact that this organization does operate > under a set of By-Laws, while Nancy always felt we should have none at all. > Best to move on. > > I would therefore urge my Reps to accept Nancy's resignation, elect a > temporary NC, and begin the process of a new election as quickly as > possible. We need to end the constant squabbling and bickering, begin a > healing process, and "get on with it." > > Ellen > > MSGenWeb: > Resent-From: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:43:18 -0600 > From: "Carolyn Switzer" > > I have always had the experience that if you beg someone to return to a job > from which they have resigned, their performance in the job is very poor. I > think the Board should continue with the temporary NC process and set up the > new election per our bylaws. We did vote for them to be our guidelines. > > Carolyn > Franklin and Jefferson Co. MS CC Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:09:54 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104140954.008b3dd0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks. I think several of the board members have a good understanding of pp and have chaired other orgs. I know that Betsy Mills has and she has shown a working knowledge of pp. I think she also has an advantage of already taking on a very difficult job when Arkansas split away and did a bang up job of putting Humpty back together. She is careful about what she says and does not act impulsively. I think that she should definately be considered for the temp NC. Jan At 11:42 AM 11/4/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Okay gang, we better get going if we are going to meet our deadline. Does >anyone volunteer to take the postion of NC until we can hold a special >election? I don't know anything about RR or pp so my taking over would >either succeed out of pure luck :-) or leave the job to someone with more >knowledge. We also have to get on this special election thing. Does >anyone know how this worked?, I mean to get a ballot to every CC in the >project? If we are going to meet our deadline, we should have a time >table. Like - Nominations for the next 30 days, campaign for 30 days, and >then 30 days for the vote to come in. Just an idea - > >Section 7. In the case of a vacancy in the office of National Coordinator, >the Advisory Board shall elect an Acting National Coordinator from its >membership to serve until a special election can take place within 90 days. > >Beth >---------- >> From: Yvonne James-Henderson >> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Campaign98-L] First order of business >> Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 10:30 AM >> >> There have been some very good responses on the USGenWeb-SE-L >> regional list. I am not sure how many of you are on it, >> so I thought I would share it.(Bottom of page) >> >> First order of business, I think we do need to appoint >> someone to be "in charge" until either NT comes back >> or we hold a special election. Who wants to volunteer for >> acting NC? >> >> I think up until now, everyone has been afraid to step on toes, >> but apparently it happened anyway because we tried "too" hard and it made >us >> look ineffectual. >> >> As always, I think frank and open discussion is needed about our plans, >> the by-laws and catching up on old business that has >> been waiting in the wings. >> >> The Board is not dead! Long live the Board >> >> Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] To My Board Reps >> Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:45:09 -0800 (PST) >> From: "George Waller" >> >> I agree with Valerie. >> George >> p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to >> unresign. >> >> On 2 Nov 98 at 23:34, USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> > Bridgett, Yvonne and Holly, >> > >> > I have been giving great consideration to the events of the past week. >> > Below are my opinions as a CC. >> > >> > #1. Filling a Board Vacancy. >> > >> > The Board Rep is elected by the majority of votes by the CC's. To >appoint a >> > replacement without consulting the CC's would be an injustice to them. >No >> > offense to anyone on this list, but IMHO this is not the Miss America >pageant >> > and we do not have to "settle for" the first Runner-up. This Project >is >> > important to me just as I am sure it is to everyone else. We wouldn't >be here >> > if it wasn't. I suggest that a special election take place and the >winner (by >> > majority of votes of the CC's) fills the Board seat. If the winner >happens to >> > be the runner-up from the previous election (the probability is high) >then all >> > the better. >> > >> > #2. National Coordinator >> > >> > Let me point out that Nancy was elected by the majority of voting CC's >(and >> > SC's, I believe). (I was in the minority on this particular vote, but >I >> > respect that the majority has spoken.) The majority of CC's are >entitled to >> > have the Board reject Nancy's resignation as NC. Please consider this >my plea >> > that you ask her to reconsider her resignation. Should she decline, >then the >> > by-laws call for a special election. If this is the case, I suggest >you get >> > to it. >> > >> > #3. BOARD-L Archives >> > >> > I think that having the Archives searchable has benefitted those that >have the >> > time and energy to search them. It is interesting reading. But I also >> > believe that my Reps need the tools to do the job that they were >elected, and >> > if having the BOARD-L Archives available publically is hindering the >Board, >> > then I would not have a problem with them being closed again. >> > >> > These are just my humble opinions, >> > >> > Valerie >> > >> > Valerie Forren Crook email: vfcrook@trellis.net >> > >> >> From: Ellen Pack >> Reply-To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com >> >> At 11:46 PM 11/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >I agree with Valerie. >> >George >> >p.s. but am not as convinced that Nancy should be asked to >> >unresign. >> >> I have to agree with George, for a number of reasons. It was always a >> concern to me that Nancy did not support the By-Laws, especially knowing >> that she did not support *any* By-Laws. I would think that an important >> function of the NC postion would be to uphold the governing "rules" of >the >> organization, and to steer others in that direction. >> >> If Nancy felt an irreconciable difference with having By-Laws, and with >the >> rest of the Board, then I admire her for stepping down, because in effect >> she has placed the interests of the project ahead of her personal >feelings. >> >> Even if we were to "talk" Nancy into returning, I doubt her heart would >be >> in it, and it would not alter the fact that this organization does >operate >> under a set of By-Laws, while Nancy always felt we should have none at >all. >> Best to move on. >> >> I would therefore urge my Reps to accept Nancy's resignation, elect a >> temporary NC, and begin the process of a new election as quickly as >> possible. We need to end the constant squabbling and bickering, begin a >> healing process, and "get on with it." >> >> Ellen >> >> MSGenWeb: >> Resent-From: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:43:18 -0600 >> From: "Carolyn Switzer" >> >> I have always had the experience that if you beg someone to return to a >job >> from which they have resigned, their performance in the job is very poor. > I >> think the Board should continue with the temporary NC process and set up >the >> new election per our bylaws. We did vote for them to be our guidelines. >> >> Carolyn >> Franklin and Jefferson Co. MS CC >> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:07:49 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062309.PAA15195@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I just unsubbed NT from the Board list.. Kay Date forwarded: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:02:31 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:55:51 -0700 From: Jan Craven Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Well, I think she made the right decision. > I guess we need to get a temp nc in place. > Is Nancy a state coordinator? If not, someone needs to unsub her from > that list if it hasn't already been done. > We also need to send some kind of statement to the troups explaining > what has happened. > What do you guys and dolls think? > Jan > > At 01:42 PM 11/6/1998 -0800, you wrote: > >Here is the reply.. > > > >Kay > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 > >To: kmfkm@ptw.com > >From: Nancy Trice > >Subject: Re: Can we talk? > > > >Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need > >to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about > >it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first > >time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer > >have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to > >that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff > >for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more > >fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. > > > >I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. > >Thanks, and best wishes. > >nt > > > > > >At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Hi Nancy, > >> > >>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having > >>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go > >>along with anything decided. > >> > >>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Kay > >> > >>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 > >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com > >>From: Nancy Trice > >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? > >> > >>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect > >>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even > >>> if we don't work it out. ;-) > >>> nt > >>> > >>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>> > > >>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not > >>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not > >>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that > >>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a > >>> >solution. > >>> > > >>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on > >>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board > >>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do > >>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not > >>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. > >>> > > >>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and > >>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and > >>> >prepare for an election. > >>> > > >>> >Thank you, > >>> > > >>> >Kay Mason > >>> > > >>> >USGenWeb Census Project > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >>USGenWeb Census Project > >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus > >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > >> > > > >USGenWeb Census Project > >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus > >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:45:09 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062246.OAA12759@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Ginger has already withdrawn her motion.. so I guess that we need to make a formal announcement... Bob??? oh great writer of Formal Announcements.. PLEASE? Kay Date forwarded: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 16:40:35 -0600 From: Betsy Mills Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Okay, so can Ginger withdraw her motion, state the reason for withdrawing, > and state a new motion to regretfully accept her resignation? > > Is there any reason we need to wait 48 hours to vote on this since this has > been going on for several days now? I don't want to seem in a rush (though > it seems I am always the one hurrying along!), but we need to show some > action now while everyone is looking at us! > > Betsy > > > At 01:42 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: > >Here is the reply.. > > > >Kay > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 > >To: kmfkm@ptw.com > >From: Nancy Trice > >Subject: Re: Can we talk? > > > >Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need > >to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about > >it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first > >time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer > >have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to > >that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff > >for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more > >fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. > > > >I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. > >Thanks, and best wishes. > >nt > > > > > >At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>Hi Nancy, > >> > >>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having > >>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go > >>along with anything decided. > >> > >>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Kay > >> > >>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 > >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com > >>From: Nancy Trice > >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? > >> > >>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect > >>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even > >>> if we don't work it out. ;-) > >>> nt > >>> > >>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>> > > >>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not > >>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not > >>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that > >>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a > >>> >solution. > >>> > > >>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on > >>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board > >>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do > >>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not > >>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. > >>> > > >>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and > >>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and > >>> >prepare for an election. > >>> > > >>> >Thank you, > >>> > > >>> >Kay Mason > >>> > > >>> >USGenWeb Census Project > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ > >>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >>USGenWeb Census Project > >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus > >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > >> > > > >USGenWeb Census Project > >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus > >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:03:33 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106200333.007bbba0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:45 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Ginger has already withdrawn her motion.. so I guess that we need to >make a formal announcement... > >Bob??? oh great writer of Formal Announcements.. PLEASE? > You got it before I read this. If you are voting to accept the resignation while we easterners sleep, I vote Yes. Be sure to do the following: 1. Go to the board list, elect a chairman (move, second, vote) in the abscence of the chair (can be anybody) vote to elect. 2. Someone make a motion to accept resignation, second and vote to accept. 3. Then and only then make the annoucement. Ill be back on by 6AM EST time. If I need to do any voting etc. Bob >Kay > >Date forwarded: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 16:40:35 -0600 >From: Betsy Mills >Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? >To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >> Okay, so can Ginger withdraw her motion, state the reason for withdrawing, >> and state a new motion to regretfully accept her resignation? >> >> Is there any reason we need to wait 48 hours to vote on this since this has >> been going on for several days now? I don't want to seem in a rush (though >> it seems I am always the one hurrying along!), but we need to show some >> action now while everyone is looking at us! >> >> Betsy >> >> >> At 01:42 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >> >Here is the reply.. >> > >> >Kay >> >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >> >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 >> >To: kmfkm@ptw.com >> >From: Nancy Trice >> >Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> > >> >Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need >> >to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about >> >it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first >> >time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer >> >have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to >> >that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff >> >for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more >> >fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. >> > >> >I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. >> >Thanks, and best wishes. >> >nt >> > >> > >> >At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>Hi Nancy, >> >> >> >>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >> >>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >> >>along with anything decided. >> >> >> >>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? >> >> >> >>Thanks, >> >> >> >>Kay >> >> >> >>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >> >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >> >>From: Nancy Trice >> >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> >> >> >>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >> >>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >> >>> if we don't work it out. ;-) >> >>> nt >> >>> >> >>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >> >>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >> >>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >> >>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >> >>> >solution. >> >>> > >> >>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >> >>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >> >>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >> >>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >> >>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >> >>> > >> >>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >> >>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >> >>> >prepare for an election. >> >>> > >> >>> >Thank you, >> >>> > >> >>> >Kay Mason >> >>> > >> >>> >USGenWeb Census Project >> >>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >> >>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >> >>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >> >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >> >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >> >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> >> >> > >> >USGenWeb Census Project >> >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >> >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> > >> > >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:55:51 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106155551.008e9c20@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I think she made the right decision. I guess we need to get a temp nc in place. Is Nancy a state coordinator? If not, someone needs to unsub her from that list if it hasn't already been done. We also need to send some kind of statement to the troups explaining what has happened. What do you guys and dolls think? Jan At 01:42 PM 11/6/1998 -0800, you wrote: >Here is the reply.. > >Kay >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 >To: kmfkm@ptw.com >From: Nancy Trice >Subject: Re: Can we talk? > >Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need >to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about >it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first >time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer >have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to >that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff >for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more >fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. > >I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. >Thanks, and best wishes. >nt > > >At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Hi Nancy, >> >>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >>along with anything decided. >> >>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Kay >> >>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>From: Nancy Trice >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> >>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >>> if we don't work it out. ;-) >>> nt >>> >>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> > >>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >>> >solution. >>> > >>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >>> > >>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >>> >prepare for an election. >>> > >>> >Thank you, >>> > >>> >Kay Mason >>> > >>> >USGenWeb Census Project >>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >>> > >>> >> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:11:02 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106181102.00930e40@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:55 PM 11/6/1998 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I think she made the right decision. >I guess we need to get a temp nc in place. yup.. and yup >Is Nancy a state coordinator? If not, someone needs to unsub her from >that list if it hasn't already been done. she is SC of KYGenWeb >We also need to send some kind of statement to the troups explaining >what has happened. >What do you guys and dolls think? >Jan > >At 01:42 PM 11/6/1998 -0800, you wrote: >>Here is the reply.. >> >>Kay >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >>Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>From: Nancy Trice >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> >>Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need >>to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about >>it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first >>time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer >>have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to >>that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff >>for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more >>fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. >> >>I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. >>Thanks, and best wishes. >>nt >> >> >>At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>Hi Nancy, >>> >>>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >>>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >>>along with anything decided. >>> >>>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Kay >>> >>>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >>>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>>From: Nancy Trice >>>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >>> >>>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >>>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >>>> if we don't work it out. ;-) >>>> nt >>>> >>>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> > >>>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >>>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >>>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >>>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >>>> >solution. >>>> > >>>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >>>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >>>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >>>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >>>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >>>> > >>>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >>>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >>>> >prepare for an election. >>>> > >>>> >Thank you, >>>> > >>>> >Kay Mason >>>> > >>>> >USGenWeb Census Project >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>>USGenWeb Census Project >>>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >>> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 10:50:59 CDT From: "Betsy Mills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811101646.IAA15721@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Daily Board Show Okay! We have got to get this corrected. An amended motion is in order. We need to stop the voting and include "accept the resignation . . ." And while we are amending, shouldn't this be better stated: I move to accept the resignation of Nancy Trice and to adopt the following resolution: RESOLVED that . . . Help! We need to do this quickly! And the next order of business will be to fix this board list mess! We can't even take a vote without being corrected in the middle of it! And I WILL correct merope that I am NOT the Acting NC. Betsy Original-From: merope Original-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:25:10 -0500 (EST) Close cover before striking...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content, use only when diluted. Read at your own risk! Sunday 8 Nov 1998 Big news today... It is moved that the board accept a resolution that accepts the resignation of Nancy Trice, former National Coordinator, since after days of discussion she has indicated she will not be rescinding it. It further thanks her for her service and indicates that the Board will continue to discuss her replacement concurrently with other business currently before the board. The motion is seconded twice. One Board member motions in favor of accepting Nancy's resignation, but then withdraws her motion in favor of accepting the resolution [no explanation given]. One other yes vote is cast in favor of accepting Nancy's resignation [although so far as I can tell, there is no motion current concerning her resignation. The motion currently active concerns accepting a specific resolution; see full text below]. In the absence of a chair for the meetings, it is moved that Betsey Mills serve as temporary chairperson until a new NC can be selected. This motion is apparently not seconded, although one vote in favor is cast. [might I suggest that the first order of business for the new chairperson be properly numbering motions and making sure Board members are voting on motions that are actually current?] Mail problems with the Sprint backbone are noted, preventing some Board members from participating in the meeting. One board member posts this cryptic message to the list: "DSFDHmn,zbxzmnbvz,m", under the equally cryptic subject: fjhdgfjDA [obviously the secret meetings are not going well, and the Board members are reduced to speaking gibberish] full text of resolution [yes, it took them almost a week to come up with this]: "I move that the board accept the following resolution... It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us that she will not rescind her resignation. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve the balance of the NC's term. Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have not been addressed for the past two months. Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those interests and those of the project as our continuing goal." [I shall assume they actually want our input on this and urge you all to contact your representatives on the above resolution.] Secrecy quote o' the day: "Secrecy and a free, democratic society don't mix." -- Harry S. Truman This has been Your Daily Board Show! -Teresa Lindquist merope@access.digex.net ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:18:03 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364A374B.9DE1E64E@idt.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Kind Words : ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [USGenWeb-SE-L] Resignation of National Coord. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:00:16 +0000 From: "Michael Becker" Yvonne, Just a quick note to say thank you for keeping us all informed. While it is regretful that Nancy resigned rather than work through the issues, I feel in the long run that the project will fare very well. I also look forward to a board and NC that cooperate well together and in the best interest of the project. Best regards Mike > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:19:24 -0500 > From: Yvonne James-Henderson > To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [USGenWeb-SE-L] Resignation of National Coord. > Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Resignation of National Coord. > Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:41:17 -0800 (PST) > Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:17:52 -0600 > From: Betsy Mills > > > Please pass this on to your County Coordinators: > > The board has adopted the following resolution accepting Nancy Trice's > resignation - > RESOLVED that it is with deep regret that, after days of discussion > regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised > us that she will not rescind her resignation. Please join with us in > thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > > Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary > replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to > serve the balance of the NC's term. > > Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have not been > addressed for the past two months. > > Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those > interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > > Thank you, > Betsy Mills > Acting Chair > > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:42:25 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062144.NAA06944@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here is the reply.. Kay ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 To: kmfkm@ptw.com From: Nancy Trice Subject: Re: Can we talk? Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. Thanks, and best wishes. nt At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Nancy, > >We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >along with anything decided. > >Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? > >Thanks, > >Kay > >Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >To: kmfkm@ptw.com >From: Nancy Trice >Subject: Re: Can we talk? > >> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >> if we don't work it out. ;-) >> nt >> >> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >> > >> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >> >solution. >> > >> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >> > >> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >> >prepare for an election. >> > >> >Thank you, >> > >> >Kay Mason >> > >> >USGenWeb Census Project >> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 16:40:35 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106164035.01021160@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, so can Ginger withdraw her motion, state the reason for withdrawing, and state a new motion to regretfully accept her resignation? Is there any reason we need to wait 48 hours to vote on this since this has been going on for several days now? I don't want to seem in a rush (though it seems I am always the one hurrying along!), but we need to show some action now while everyone is looking at us! Betsy At 01:42 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Here is the reply.. > >Kay >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 >To: kmfkm@ptw.com >From: Nancy Trice >Subject: Re: Can we talk? > >Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need >to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about >it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first >time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer >have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to >that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff >for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more >fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. > >I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. >Thanks, and best wishes. >nt > > >At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>Hi Nancy, >> >>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >>along with anything decided. >> >>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Kay >> >>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>From: Nancy Trice >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> >>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >>> if we don't work it out. ;-) >>> nt >>> >>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>> > >>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >>> >solution. >>> > >>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >>> > >>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >>> >prepare for an election. >>> > >>> >Thank you, >>> > >>> >Kay Mason >>> > >>> >USGenWeb Census Project >>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >>> > >>> >> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:00:27 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106170027.008f4a70@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I don't think in this instance it makes one wit of difference how we vote, so the wait would be foolish. It's a done deal, so to speak. Our vote is not going to change a thing and no matter how many letters we get from our constituents, it won't change a thing. J At 04:40 PM 11/6/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Okay, so can Ginger withdraw her motion, state the reason for withdrawing, >and state a new motion to regretfully accept her resignation? > >Is there any reason we need to wait 48 hours to vote on this since this has >been going on for several days now? I don't want to seem in a rush (though >it seems I am always the one hurrying along!), but we need to show some >action now while everyone is looking at us! > >Betsy > > >At 01:42 PM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >>Here is the reply.. >> >>Kay >>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >>Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 >>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>From: Nancy Trice >>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >> >>Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you need >>to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think about >>it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the first >>time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no longer >>have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In addition to >>that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member of RW staff >>for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would just add more >>fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. >> >>I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. >>Thanks, and best wishes. >>nt >> >> >>At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>Hi Nancy, >>> >>>We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having >>>computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go >>>along with anything decided. >>> >>>Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Kay >>> >>>Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 >>>To: kmfkm@ptw.com >>>From: Nancy Trice >>>Subject: Re: Can we talk? >>> >>>> Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect >>>> everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even >>>> if we don't work it out. ;-) >>>> nt >>>> >>>> At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>> > >>>> >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not >>>> >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not >>>> >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that >>>> >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a >>>> >solution. >>>> > >>>> >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on >>>> >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board >>>> >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do >>>> >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not >>>> >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. >>>> > >>>> >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and >>>> >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and >>>> >prepare for an election. >>>> > >>>> >Thank you, >>>> > >>>> >Kay Mason >>>> > >>>> >USGenWeb Census Project >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >>>> >http://www.usgenweb.net/ >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>>USGenWeb Census Project >>>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >>> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >>http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >>http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> >> >> > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 06:22:49 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811081424.GAA32221@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I strongly object to the following line: >This is due, in part, to other potential > personal commitments. As I pointed out before, it is not our place to say something like this.. If you wish to use it, then I think that Nancy should be consulted first... Kay Mason Date forwarded: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 05:41:20 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:39:41 -0500 From: Bob Bamford Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > At 10:31 PM 11/7/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: > >The natives are getting restless and I think we need to get the > >message.motions whatever posted ASAP about accepting Nancy's resignation, > >any volunteers to do this? > > Ok, let's get on with it! This is the last version I have. Submit any last > minute changes asap or simply reply to this message "no change." Once we > have a consensus, hopefully by this afternoon. I would request that we move > to the board list and follow this sequence. > > 1. Elect a temporary chair to preside at the meeting. I suggest that be Jan > as her first name is easy to spell :>) > > 2. Introduce the announcement as a resolution... "I move that the board > accept the following resolution... > It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the > National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will > not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential > personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past > and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > > Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary > replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve > the balance of the NC's term. > > Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in > limbo for the past two months. > > Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those > interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > ___________________________________________ > > 3. Second the above. > > 4. Ask for discussion > > 5. Call for vote (hopefully unanimous) > > 6. Vote, (Celia, could you act as vote tallier?) > > 7. Post resoultion to SC list (it will already be in board archives.) > > 8. Nominations for Temporary NC to replace Nancy > > 9. Seconds, Voting etc. > > 10. Announce results of vote to SC list. > > 11. Temp NC takes charge. > > 12. Anybody, make a motion that board meet in executive session. > > 13. Second, discuss, vote > > 14. Move discussion in Campaign98 list. > > I think I cover all the bases. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "Tools for the New England researcher" > VISIT US AT: > http://www.hertge.com/essex > > e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri > (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:43:57 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811060648.WAA00603@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] My opinon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I thought I had posted an opinion, but probably not. I basically think like most people who have already posted. We have asked Nancy to join us on this list, her stipulation that everyone be present or she won't talk. So be it. If she decides that she wants to come back, well I believe that no strings be attached except for the ability to work together, for the board members to post their opinions and/or ideas without Nancy taking offense with what is said, and better communications with her. I don't know Nancy personally, never even communicated with her before coming on the board. I was amazed that she did not communicate with us before Sept 1 -- indicating what she would like to see us accomplish this year or her aspirations for the project. I may be forgetful, but don't think she has even indicated those thoughts/ideas as of yet. I grew tired of waiting on Nancy to be able to do anything. Her reasoning that she knew nothing or very little about PPP was not very sound IMHO. When I realized that we may be doing things more along those lines, I at least tried to familiarize myself with some of the major points of PPP -- something that I would have thought she would have done especially before the IRC meeting. Her lack of knowledge of PPP didn't help in reducing the time spent in IRC. Many items that were brought up on the BL list she never commented on, and thusly none of us did not either. I remember posting a method of handling grievances, which I thought was very sound but it went by the wayside. No discussion whatsoever, and even if it wasn't sound some discussion on how to handle grievances needed to be discussed, especially after the fiasco with the Kenny Thomas issue. I am like Trey, I believe people change for a time but then revert back to their old habits. So even if Nancy does decided to withdraw her resignation, her heart will not be with it and therefore she will probably start acting the same way she is now -- and again we will be faced with desention and most likely another letter of resignation. All the above is my opinion. We have already asked Nancy to sub to this list to discuss issues, can't back out of that now. However, I would honestly say that I would rather not reinstate her as NC. Bridgett Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:26:26 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811051428.GAA18113@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Question... what if nt withdraws her resignation.. and we go back to the same old, same old situation? We need to talk to her and make it very clear how we feel about the situation before we request that she withdraw it.. After talking to her, I feel that she really doesn't understand the bylaws.. or that she has to abide by them whether she likes them or not (as we also have to abide by them). Kay Date forwarded: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 04:04:07 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 06:46:13 -0500 From: Bob Bamford Subject: [Campaign98-L] Proposal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > I suggest the following sequence of events: > > 1. A motion on board-l requesting that Nancy withdraw her resignation by > noon CST Saturday Nov. 7 (48 hrs) > > 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member > function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an > election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, > CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) > > 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 Hrs) > > 4. Motion here, after 4 above, to continue to conduct business here, with > only formal motions and voting on board-l commencing midnight CST Nov 9 > > The dates are flexible but time periods should be as above to expedite > matters. > > Bob > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:51:48 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062053.MAA02352@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Nancy, We are all on the list.. except for Terry Davis.. she is having computer meltdown problems, but has assured us that she will go along with anything decided. Are you ready for me to sub you to the list? Thanks, Kay Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 To: kmfkm@ptw.com From: Nancy Trice Subject: Re: Can we talk? > Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect > everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even > if we don't work it out. ;-) > nt > > At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not > >being used at this time. It is closed and the Archives are not > >public. Let's use it to discuss the differences and problems that > >we have had. We must talk to each other if we wish to find a > >solution. > > > >If you want to do this, please respond to me by 7 PM PST on > >Wendsday, November 4, 1998, and I will sub all of the Board > >members and Nancy to the list and we can begin. However, if I do > >not hear from everyone, we must assume that the people we do not > >hear from do not want to find a solution to this problem. > > > >The only recourse then would be to accept Nancy's resignation and > >select one of us to be the "Acting National Coordinator", and > >prepare for an election. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Kay Mason > > > >USGenWeb Census Project > >http://www.usgenweb.org/ > >http://www.usgenweb.com/ > >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:39:41 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108083941.007c7cd0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:31 PM 11/7/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >The natives are getting restless and I think we need to get the >message.motions whatever posted ASAP about accepting Nancy's resignation, >any volunteers to do this? Ok, let's get on with it! This is the last version I have. Submit any last minute changes asap or simply reply to this message "no change." Once we have a consensus, hopefully by this afternoon. I would request that we move to the board list and follow this sequence. 1. Elect a temporary chair to preside at the meeting. I suggest that be Jan as her first name is easy to spell :>) 2. Introduce the announcement as a resolution... "I move that the board accept the following resolution... It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve the balance of the NC's term. Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in limbo for the past two months. Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. ___________________________________________ 3. Second the above. 4. Ask for discussion 5. Call for vote (hopefully unanimous) 6. Vote, (Celia, could you act as vote tallier?) 7. Post resoultion to SC list (it will already be in board archives.) 8. Nominations for Temporary NC to replace Nancy 9. Seconds, Voting etc. 10. Announce results of vote to SC list. 11. Temp NC takes charge. 12. Anybody, make a motion that board meet in executive session. 13. Second, discuss, vote 14. Move discussion in Campaign98 list. I think I cover all the bases. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:43:50 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981108094350.00a3f2f0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] no chznge / no glasses this AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 AM 11/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:31 PM 11/7/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >>The natives are getting restless and I think we need to get the >>message.motions whatever posted ASAP about accepting Nancy's resignation, >>any volunteers to do this? > >Ok, let's get on with it! This is the last version I have. Submit any last >minute changes asap or simply reply to this message "no change." Once we >have a consensus, hopefully by this afternoon. I would request that we move >to the board list and follow this sequence. > >1. Elect a temporary chair to preside at the meeting. I suggest that be Jan >as her first name is easy to spell :>) > >2. Introduce the announcement as a resolution... "I move that the board >accept the following resolution... >It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the >National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will >not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential >personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past >and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > >Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary >replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve >the balance of the NC's term. > >Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in >limbo for the past two months. > >Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the >best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those >interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. >___________________________________________ > >3. Second the above. > >4. Ask for discussion > >5. Call for vote (hopefully unanimous) > >6. Vote, (Celia, could you act as vote tallier?) > >7. Post resoultion to SC list (it will already be in board archives.) > >8. Nominations for Temporary NC to replace Nancy > >9. Seconds, Voting etc. > >10. Announce results of vote to SC list. > >11. Temp NC takes charge. > >12. Anybody, make a motion that board meet in executive session. > >13. Second, discuss, vote > >14. Move discussion in Campaign98 list. > >I think I cover all the bases. > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "Tools for the New England researcher" >VISIT US AT: > http://www.hertge.com/essex > >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri > (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:32:30 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981110143230.007b1ad0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Daily Board Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I inadvertantly sent this only to Betsy so for her this is a duplicate Bob At 10:50 AM 11/10/98 CDT, you wrote: >Okay! > >We have got to get this corrected. An amended motion is in order. We need to stop the voting and include "accept the resignation . . ." > IMHO We don't have to vote to accept her resignation. She resigned if we have the right to accept" we have the contomitant right to refuse it. (See below) * >And while we are amending, shouldn't this be better stated: > The motion is on the floor. It cannot be ammended. >I move to accept the resignation of Nancy Trice and to adopt the following resolution: > >RESOLVED that . . . > >Help! We need to do this quickly! > >And the next order of business will be to fix this board list mess! We can't even take a vote without being corrected in the middle of it! And I WILL correct merope that I am NOT the Acting NC. > Assume you mean the all list... ignore it! We'll spend all our time listening to her BS and carping and USGW will go to hell. When the voting is done. Say, "In as much as the board has recognized and accepted the resignation of Nancy Trice, I will now entertain nominations for and Acting National Coordinator to preside until a replacement can be elected in accordance with the by-laws." We should, go back to numbering motions. The system Nancy was using seems useable. Believe the last was 98-3 so first nomination should be 98-4. Can anyone confirm? Bob * (this is below) :>) Note merope's spin > >It is moved that the board accept a resolution that accepts the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >resignation of Nancy Trice, former National Coordinator, since after days ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >of discussion she has indicated she will not be rescinding it. It further ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:21:25 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364AEEE5.F963E56@dc.jones.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Daily Board Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Bob. The resolution was properly worded and cannot be amended now that it is in the voting stage. Bob Bamford wrote: > I inadvertantly sent this only to Betsy so for her this is a duplicate > > Bob > > At 10:50 AM 11/10/98 CDT, you wrote: > >Okay! > > > >We have got to get this corrected. An amended motion is in order. We > need to stop the voting and include "accept the resignation . . ." > > > IMHO We don't have to vote to accept her resignation. She resigned if we > have the right to > accept" we have the contomitant right to refuse it. (See below) * > > >And while we are amending, shouldn't this be better stated: > > > The motion is on the floor. It cannot be ammended. > > >I move to accept the resignation of Nancy Trice and to adopt the following > resolution: > > > >RESOLVED that . . . > > > >Help! We need to do this quickly! > > > >And the next order of business will be to fix this board list mess! > We can't even take a vote without being corrected in the middle of it! And > I WILL correct merope that I am NOT the Acting NC. > > > Assume you mean the all list... ignore it! We'll spend all our time > listening to her BS and carping and USGW will go to hell. > > When the voting is done. > > Say, "In as much as the board has recognized and accepted the resignation > of Nancy Trice, I will now entertain nominations for and Acting National > Coordinator to preside until a replacement can be elected in accordance > with the by-laws." > > We should, go back to numbering motions. The system Nancy was using seems > useable. Believe the last was 98-3 so first nomination should be 98-4. Can > anyone confirm? > > Bob > > * (this is below) :>) > > Note merope's spin > > > >It is moved that the board accept a resolution that accepts the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >resignation of Nancy Trice, former National Coordinator, since after days > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >of discussion she has indicated she will not be rescinding it. 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Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri > (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:01:35 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104210135.03b01e90@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Having been CC in the state Nancy has SC'd for so long maybe I ought to say more about my opinion and observation of her leadership there. Nancy is not a strong leader... she generally stays out of discussions until it's over and then steps in picking up the pieces that remain and covering herself with glory. She is quite malleable and listens to whoever has her ear and most of her success has come from surrounding herself with strong hardworking people. I have absolutely no doubts, being familiar with both their styles from KYGenWeb, that John West wrote or "suggested" much of the wording in her posts to us about the Bylaws and her absolute power position according to them. At 07:21 PM 11/4/1998 -0600, you wrote: >My thoughts are this, I believe for the good of the project, we must make a >good faith effort to ask her to reconsider (and we are fast approaching the >end of that good faith effort). I will not beg. I have offered her a hand >in friendship as have several others on this board. If she chooses not to >accept them, then it will have to be her loss. > >I think we let her know who is here and who isn't here and let her make up >her own mind as to whether to join us or not. But do realize, that if she >gets in here and we do anything that feels to her like we are "attacking" >her (whether we are or not) will cause her to leave in a huff. She just >has to realize that not everyone agrees with everyone else ALL the time! >And I am not certain she understands that concept. > >Just MHO! >Betsy > > > >At 07:51 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 06:32 PM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >>I would take Holly's suggestion a step further, and suggest >>that before we invite NT to join us, that maybe we all take a >>turn to candidly express our opinions on this subject of her >>resignation. I believe that we have not heard from everyone >>on this matter, and it is possible that there are those out >>there who think that we should accept Nancy's resignation, >>rather than trying to persuade her to un-resign. Perhaps the >>privateness of THIS list, (and I would hope that we would all >>honor its privacy, and not share what is said here on other >>lists), will allow people to feel free to express their opinions >>on the subject. >> >> >>>Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her >>>that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. >>>If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. >>> >>>Betsy >>> >>> >>> >>>At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>>I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >>>>her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. >>>> >>>>It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >>>>confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. >>>> >>>> >>>>Holly Timm >>>>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>Kim Harris Myers >>estral@switchboard.net >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho >> >>NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board >> >>Visit the November County of the Month: >>Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki >> >> >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:28:30 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981104202830.00777960@txcyber.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] You asked for my beliefs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy fellow Board members, My personal opinion is that Nancy was way in over her head. I believe that she ran for NC based on the belief that the bylaws would not pass and that she would be able to implement what she felt was best for the project. Nancy was very adamantly against the bylaws all along and suddenly when she was elected and the bylaws passed she was stuck. I think that she then began reading into the bylaws things that would allow her to proceed with what she felt was best anyway. When this didn't work she gave up and resigned. It is my belief that civil debate is a good thing and civil debate is what has occurred on this board. Remember that there are many people in this country that view civil debate as gridlock. It is my opinion that the National Coordinator Position is one in which the person serving should offer a vision to the project of what goals he or she would like to see accomplished during their term and then offer suggestions as to how these goals may be accomplished. I believe that the NC should do the day to day things such as answering email inquiries about the project and do some major promotional things when ever possible. The NC should coordinate the business of the project and help guide the agenda for the board. I think it is the boards job to do the buisiness things and help accomplish the goals of the NC that the volunteers support. I believe that The USGenWeb Project is fundamentally composed of somewhat independent projects working together for a common goal. It should be the NC and the Boards purpose to act as liasons between these projects and try to help everyone to find the best ways to compliment each others work. That is why it is our job only to advise or mediate when disputes occur between the projects not to dictate or dish out binding descisions or censureships as many on the ALL list have suggested. The bottom line is this, I believe that Nancy had her reasons for resigning. They may have been just as she laid them out in her letter or they may be otherwise as some have indicated but whatever they are she did in essence say "I dont want to do this anymore". I think that as a courtesy the board should offer her the opportunity to withdraw her resignation but I am not in favor of begging her to come back or making consessions because I think that if we do we will be right back in the same situation in a few months. These are my beliefs today. Trey At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. > >It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. > > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 06:46:13 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105064613.007d4b10@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suggest the following sequence of events: 1. A motion on board-l requesting that Nancy withdraw her resignation by noon CST Saturday Nov. 7 (48 hrs) 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 Hrs) 4. Motion here, after 4 above, to continue to conduct business here, with only formal motions and voting on board-l commencing midnight CST Nov 9 The dates are flexible but time periods should be as above to expedite matters. Bob Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:06:32 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105170632.0446b290@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:26 AM 11/5/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Question... what if nt withdraws her resignation.. and we go back to the >same old, same old situation? We need to talk to her and make it >very clear how we feel about the situation before we request that >she withdraw it.. > >After talking to her, I feel that she really doesn't understand the >bylaws.. or that she has to abide by them whether she likes them >or not (as we also have to abide by them). She's had three days to reconsider and withdraw her resignation. I don't see where we have any need to pursue her further and that we should simply accept her resignation and move on. I like Bob's time frame except I would skip #1 and substitute a Motion to accept her resignation and move the closing of nominations for Acting NC up to noon on 11/7 thus giving the 48 hours until 11/9. >From: Bob Bamford >> 1. A motion on board-l requesting that Nancy withdraw her resignation by >> noon CST Saturday Nov. 7 (48 hrs) >> >> 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member >> function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an >> election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, >> CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) >> >> 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 Hrs) >> >> 4. Motion here, after 4 above, to continue to conduct business here, with >> only formal motions and voting on board-l commencing midnight CST Nov 9 >> >> The dates are flexible but time periods should be as above to expedite >> matters. >> >> Bob >> >> >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:28:13 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811042229.OAA10578@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Forward of message from NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT this was just forwarded to the SC list.. Kay ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Send reply to: s.lavin@mailexcite.com Organization: Mass Technology To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Copies to: FLGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Forward of message from NC Yes this is a VERY sad day. Now we need to make sure each of our counties and our states survive what become a bloody battle. Advisory Board............... any suggestions? BarbL Union jpowelljr wrote: > Hi list... I hope Darrel doesn't mind if I forward this to > this list as was requested by the NC. > BTW... I believe this to be sad day in USGenWeb History, I > hope Nancy reconsiders, although it is a very tough position > that she is in. > > Jim > Email: Jpowelljr@worldnet.att.net > Family Homepage: Http://www.afn.org/~afn03098/ > For slower connections: Http://www.afn.org/~afn04266/ > Coordinator of Henderson County KyGenweb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhender/ > Coordinator of Gilchrist County FLGenWeb Page > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~flgilchr/ > Assistant State Coordinator FLGenWeb > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Message from Nancy Trice ... > > I started to send this privately to the members of the board > but after > thinking about it for several hours have decided to post it > publicly. I ask > that all state coordinators forward it to their state lists, > but I'm sure > that some of you won't. For the benefit of those CCs whose > SCs doesn't > forward it as requested, it will also be posted at: > http://www.nlt.net/usgenweb/11-2-98.html > > I'll start by reminding all of you that I have been part of > this project > for longer than any of you, discussing the concept with Jeff > Murphy in late > Feb and early March 1996 before KyGenWeb even started... > before it was ever > announced on the KYROOTS list. I have loved it and worked > my butt off for > over 2 1/2 years to help make it what it is today. I have > been SC and > archivist, or file manager, for 3 states, handled several > hundred orphan > counties, put up numerous pages to help the new CCs, and > have personally > helped many of you. I have attempted to do what I think is > best for > USGenWeb, as I was elected to do... as I have done for over > 2 1/2 years... > and have been vilified and maligned for doing so. > > Whether any of you realize it or not, I was put in a very > awkward position > when the CCs elected me... I was against the bylaws as > written... > campaigned against them... and am now in a position of > having to work > within them because the consensus of opinion appeared to be > that they are > better than no bylaws... vote them in and fix them later. > Well, you've all > seen now how really bad they are and how they are open to > different > interpretations. It doesn't matter what the intent was when > they were > written. They are very poorly written, period! > > The bylaws say that the National Coordinator is the chair of > the Advisory > Board but gives no direction for the NC to follow except > 'these Bylaws and > by accepted parliamentary procedure'. What is considered > 'day-to-day > administration'? What is 'accepted parliamentary > procedure'? Who is to > decide? This should have all been spelled out in the bylaws > instead of > leaving it so ambiguous. Since it wasn't I have done my > best to try to > abide by them anyway as best I could and have been shot down > at every step. > > The bylaws say that the Advisory Board '...shall address any > problem issues > as they arise'... 'advising and mediating, if necessary, any > grievances or > appeals...'. > > Websters dictionary gives the definition of Advisory as: > adj. 1. Having power to advise. 2. Containing or given as > advice; > not mandatory. > > To me, and to many other CCs, this says that the board are > advisors to the > NC and the project volunteers... not the project 'leaders'. > > Article VI, Section 2 of the bylaws says that 'the National > Coordinator > shall preside at all meetings of the Advisory Board'. > Article VIII, > Section 1 of the bylaws says that 'Nine (9) voting members > of the Advisory > Board shall constitute a quorum'. > > Nowhere in the bylaws does it say anything about how those > meetings are to > be held, including that they may be held on a general board > discussion list > and the quorum established because the board members are > subbed to that list. > > I felt strongly (and still do) that board meetings should be > held in real > time in order to properly establish a quorum according to > the bylaws. I > also feel that the people who elected the board members > expected you to > attend those meetings. As a nominee, I would also have > thought that you > would expect there to be meetings that you would need to > attend. It's > obvious that the majority of the board doesn't feel the way > I do. > > It was discussed on the board list that you needed a > secretary to keep up > with motions, votes, etc. I placed it on the Oct. 4 agenda > where it was > promptly tabled. > > Article VI Section 6 of the Bylaws states: The Advisory > Board shall also be > responsible for administering the domains, usgenweb.com, > usgenweb.net and > usgenweb.org, over which The USGenWeb Project membership has > control and > for which the members are the official lessees. > > As the NC I wrote to Dale Schneider shortly after taking > office to inquire > as to his intentions with the usgenweb.com domain. To this > date I have > not received a response from him, even though I sent a 2nd > email a few weeks > later. I placed this item on the agenda for the board to > discuss where it > was promptly tabled with a comment that he has said he won't > turn it over > to the Advisory Board at this time. Because I wrote to him > I have now been > accused of 'being obsessed with obtaining control of > usgenweb.com' by Linda > Lewis and Don Spidell, both of whom are positive I plan on > getting my > grubby little hands on it so I can turn it over to Jerry and > Lucy Dill. If > anyone on the board that had 'spoken' with Dale had bothered > to inform me > that they had corresponded or chatted with him and what he > had said, I > wouldn't have placed it on the agenda. Even after placing > it on the > agenda, I could have been informed so it could be removed, > but in my > opinion you deliberately chose not to. Today, the bylaws > still say that > the board controls that domain, and of course you do not... > and further > you have not indicated in any way how you intend to > reconcile the bylaws to > the reality. > > The board needs to begin working on election procedures for > next year. I > placed this on the agenda for Oct. 4 and a committee chair > was elected. If > anything has been done about setting up the committee I am > unaware of it at > this time (4 weeks later). > > It's obvious that the bylaws need to be amended in many > places. I put this > on the Oct. 4 agenda and a committee chair was elected. If > anything has > been done about setting up the committee I am unaware of it > at this time (4 > weeks later). > > Numerous project members have written me requesting that the > board address > the question of whether or not a member of Rootsweb staff > [namely Karen] > should even be on the board-l mail list, suggesting that if > the board > needed her input on something she could be asked. I put it > on the agenda > where it was quickly tabled, and has not been addressed > yet. I, and > others, do not feel that Karen should be on the board list > since she was > not elected by anyone [no offense meant to Karen]. > > On 11-1-98 Betsy wrote: > >And, Nancy, I am at a loss as to why you were offended that Trey and I > decided to seek input into who our constituents would like > to see as their > next representative. It concerns me that you automatically > assume that we > wouldn't even consider your suggestion. Certainly it is one > of the > suggestions that we were considering along with suggestions > from our > constituents. > > One of the suggestions you were considering? Who was > considering? and > where? Certainly not on the board list. I was not > necessarily offended by > the fact that you took it to the CCs, and might even have > agreed with you > had there been any real discussion on it. What does offend > me however is > that I made a suggestion, 2 or 3 of you immediately shot it > down and with > no further discussion it's on the SC list... no discussion > at all as to how > we should proceed or whether we should take it to the CCs, > try to have > another election, or whatever... it was just done. When I > then commented on > it on the SC list, Holly immediately asked why I was > discussing it there > instead of here. Funny... that's where the discussion > was... not here! I > think that we should have decided how to proceed as a group > and not just by > 1 or 2 of you. Isn't this what you have all been saying to > me for the past > 2 months? Whether right or wrong, I saw this action as just > one more slap > in the face to the NC by the Advisory Board. > > Almost every one of you have shot me down in the past 2 > months because I > tried to lead us, as I was elected to do by the CCs, and the > majority of > you have all said, in actions if not by words, that you [the > AB] are the > project leader, and have effectively relegated the position > of NC to a > motion numberer and vote counter. > > [snip] > > Betsy continued: > >At this point, everything is so public that we can't even discuss anything > without being ripped to shreds on other lists. You don't > know the reasons > I have voted as I have on ANY of the issues as you have not > asked. I would > LOVE to discuss things with everyone (especially you), hear > their views, > express my views, maybe even change my views after hearing > the discussion, > etc. > > Have you one time asked me why I feel as I do? Have you > tried to open a > dialogue? No... the board members just stated they were > against something > or for something and immediately pushed for a vote. Maureen > questioned the > board about this numerous times. > > >But this can not happen as it now stands. > > Not pointing any fingers here, but who did that? I said in > Sept. that I did > not think the board list should be opened. I said we should > have our > discussions on the list, in private, then hold a meeting to > vote. Most of > you shot that down. I offered a very workable compromise > which all but 1 > or 2 of you immediately shot down as not workable, and I > believe every one > of you voted to open the list archives and hold a continuous > meeting. I > don't know how any of you feel about it now, but I think > that was a > terrible decision. I think the board has tied it's own > hands, and unless > you close the board list archives I don't think you'll ever > get anything > done. > > I also know that as both a CC and a SC I would never bring > any problem I > might have to the board because there is no privacy > anymore. I think by > opening the list archives you have done a great injustice to > any SC or CC > that might want to seek your advise. I believe the board > discussions > should be private, board meetings either open to the public > or at least a > log or minutes of the meeting posted. > > [snip] > > >Personally, I would like for us to back up and slow down on this > replacement issue. I don't understand the reason behind the > rush to > immediately appoint someone. The only persons I have heard > from in support > of Kathy are all from KS which is only one of the states > represented in > this region. Everyone else I have heard from wishes that we > could poll the > constituents of our region. The answer might still be to > appoint Kathy, > but it might not. But at least we would know the wishes of > the CC's or our > region. Is there anything wrong with this??? > > What have I said that indicated I was in a rush to fill the > position Betsy? > Again, had there been discussion about it I might have > changed my original > position on the matter, but I wasn't given that > opportunity. I just think > the board should have decided as a body how to proceed > instead of some of > you taking it upon yourselves without a vote, in effect > doing what you have > all accused me of doing. > > It's quite obvious to me that the AB does not interpret any > of the bylaws > the same way I do. It's also obvious that none of you have > the same > concerns that I do. I have stated over and over that I am > for a bottom up > structure. That means the CCs should control the project. > There are 50 > states, which means 100 people if none of them were SC in > more than 1 state > and each state has an ASC, and there are 4 SC reps for them, > and only 8 to > represent in the neighborhood of 2000 CCs. To me that is > top down, not > bottom up. I am also completely against the special projects > all having a > voting board member. I think that is an open invitation for > more and more > special projects to be set up in order to get a board seat > and eventually > the special projects will control the USGW board. 4 of the > 15 board members > were elected by less than 100 people, all of whom are SCs, > and 3 were > supposedly voted on, [but might have been appointed], by > special projects, > many of whom are not CCs. As a CC I don't like the numbers, > and many > others I've talked with don't either. > > I'm also concerned by the statements I see now that a CC > that received > votes in the last election should not be appointed because > their views > 'might not be the best for USGW' or words to that effect. > Frankly, I think > the board should be comprised of people with differing view > points and > different ideas, not by a group of people all with the same > philosophy or > agenda. I think for USGW to continue to grow all ideas must > be considered. > From what I have seen on the lists however, it appears that > a certain > group of people want only people with their views on the > board, and anyone > that doesn't share their views is labeled a troublemaker and > quickly run > off the list. > > I also feel that a process needs to be set up to insure that > a 'fired' > volunteer gets a fair shake if they file an appeal. Yes, > I'm talking about > Kenny Thomas. That's over and done with now but it still > leaves a very > bitter taste in the mouths of many of the CCs, especially > those in Ks. This > board did nothing to mediate the problem or even try to find > out what > really happened, automatically assuming that everything that > Linda Lewis > said was gospel and everything that Kenny Thomas, and > Maureen Reed, said > was a lie. I think that the truth probably lies somewhere in > the middle. I > tried to set up a board list where it could be discussed by > all interested > parties but that didn't work either did it? Seems that the > board [and > RootsWeb staff] apparently thought I wouldn't allow the > right people to be > subbed or something. > > I've heard from numerous CCs that Linda refused to let them > sub to the > Archives-L list because they were CCs and not state level. I > asked to be > subbed to that list when it looked like the Ks situation > would be discussed > there. Linda subbed me then immediately unsubbed me when I > asked everyone > to wait until the new list was obtained. Because of some of > the > accusations I had heard I asked her to resub me. She did > so, very > grudgingly, then immediately set up a new list for the > archive CCs, subbed > me to it and unsubbed me from the archives-l without so much > as a note. > That goes a long way toward giving credence to some of the > problems I have > heard about, to say nothing about giving the distinct > impression that she > feels that what goes on in the Archives is of no concern to > the NC, or the > USGenWeb project. At the very least it was very > disrespectful to the NC, > regardless of who the NC might be. > > After re-reading this several times, and considering how the > board feels, > and how I feel about the bylaws, I think it's best if I just > go ahead and > resign. Maybe you can get someone as NC that holds your > views. > > You may consider this my resignation as National > Coordinator. > > nt > > ==== FLGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you submitted your transcribed records to the > FLGenWeb Project Archives yet?????? USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:00:49 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811060102.RAA20108@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT NT said that she would join the list when we were all subbed... now Terry is a special case, but I thought that we wanted to talk before we asked her if she was ready to join us.. Kay Date forwarded: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:47:43 -0600 From: Betsy Mills Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Thank you, Trey. I really do believe that we have given Nancy every > opportunity to join us and I think we are getting her message. I believe > 24 hours more is ample time. > > And we need to be discussing WHO is going to serve as Temp NC. Volunteers?? > > Betsy > > > At 06:09 PM 11/6/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Howdy guys, > > > >I've just finished going through all of todays mail and I am pretty much ok > >with all today except for one thing. > >It is my opinion that after three days all we should do is send a formal > >polite note from the Board to Nancy, cc'd to the Board list and the State > >list, offering her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation. Give her > >24 hours and set a deadline. If we dont hear from her then we move on. If > >we do then I guess we go back to where we left off. > > > >I do not believe that we should be begging or requesting that someone that > >quit on us and this project sto return. > > > >Thanks > > > >Trey > > > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:11:53 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105191153.010f1c80@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. Betsy At 05:00 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >NT said that she would join the list when we were all subbed... now >Terry is a special case, but I thought that we wanted to talk before >we asked her if she was ready to join us.. > >Kay > >Date forwarded: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) >Date sent: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:47:43 -0600 >From: Betsy Mills >Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request >To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >> Thank you, Trey. I really do believe that we have given Nancy every >> opportunity to join us and I think we are getting her message. I believe >> 24 hours more is ample time. >> >> And we need to be discussing WHO is going to serve as Temp NC. Volunteers?? >> >> Betsy >> >> >> At 06:09 PM 11/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >Howdy guys, >> > >> >I've just finished going through all of todays mail and I am pretty much ok >> >with all today except for one thing. >> >It is my opinion that after three days all we should do is send a formal >> >polite note from the Board to Nancy, cc'd to the Board list and the State >> >list, offering her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation. Give her >> >24 hours and set a deadline. If we dont hear from her then we move on. If >> >we do then I guess we go back to where we left off. >> > >> >I do not believe that we should be begging or requesting that someone that >> >quit on us and this project sto return. >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Trey >> > >> > >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 19:46:30 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981106194630.0107565c@txcyber.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm ready for her to join us also. I forgot she said she would. I would hold back the 24hr thing unless she sais she would like to think about it then we can give her the 24 hrs. Otherwise if she still chooses to be resigned or chooses not to join us in this forum I think that we should immediatley move to formally accept her choice to resign. Trey At 05:00 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >NT said that she would join the list when we were all subbed... now >Terry is a special case, but I thought that we wanted to talk before >we asked her if she was ready to join us.. > >Kay > >Date forwarded: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) >Date sent: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:47:43 -0600 >From: Betsy Mills >Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request >To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >> Thank you, Trey. I really do believe that we have given Nancy every >> opportunity to join us and I think we are getting her message. I believe >> 24 hours more is ample time. >> >> And we need to be discussing WHO is going to serve as Temp NC. Volunteers?? >> >> Betsy >> >> >> At 06:09 PM 11/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >Howdy guys, >> > >> >I've just finished going through all of todays mail and I am pretty much ok >> >with all today except for one thing. >> >It is my opinion that after three days all we should do is send a formal >> >polite note from the Board to Nancy, cc'd to the Board list and the State >> >list, offering her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation. Give her >> >24 hours and set a deadline. If we dont hear from her then we move on. If >> >we do then I guess we go back to where we left off. >> > >> >I do not believe that we should be begging or requesting that someone that >> >quit on us and this project sto return. >> > >> >Thanks >> > >> >Trey >> > >> > >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ >http://www.usgenweb.net/ > > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:27:14 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811072128.NAA06773@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT No, let's talk about the election before we set a date. I would like for it to be for 2 weeks.. and it must be after the 1st of the year.. Leave the date out please! Kay Elections committee Date forwarded: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:19:52 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:22:35 -0500 From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > At 04:13 PM 11/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >I agree. Here it is as original with the homophone corrected. In light of > >some of the other discussion going on I think someone other than I should > >post it to the board list with all our names on it. I feel it should also > >be posted to the -ALL and SC lists, niether of which I have access to. > > see below for one further change for clarity.... > can we take a fast vote on here on this... when we hit the majority, let's > go for it > > > >________________________________________ > >It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the > >National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will > >not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential > >personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past > >and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > > > >Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary > >replacement and setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99. > >Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in > >limbo for the past two months. > > ...setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99 for a National > Coordinator to serve the balance of the term. > > >Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > >best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those > >interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > >___________________________________________ > > > >Bob > > > > > >> > >>Holly Timm > >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > >> > >> > > > > > Holly Timm > SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:58:43 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811072200.OAA08810@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I think that the line.. >This is due, in part, to other potential > personal commitments. should be deleted. This is for her to announce..not us..(and if those "potenital personal commitments" don't pan out.. embarrassing for her & us) Kay Date forwarded: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:52:29 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:51:52 -0500 From: Bob Bamford Subject: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Reworded to include Kay's and Holly's suggestions. > > ________________________________________ > It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the > National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will > not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential > personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past > and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > > Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary > replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve > the balance of the term. > > Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in > limbo for the past two months. > > Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those > interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > ___________________________________________ > >> > >>Bob > >> > >> > >>> > >>>Holly Timm > >>>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >Holly Timm > >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "Tools for the New England researcher" > VISIT US AT: > http://www.hertge.com/essex > > e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri > (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:06:21 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811050107.RAA26816@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I agree, and was just going to say that I would wait for the 7pm deadline before doing anything anyway.. It sure won't hurt for all of us to have a discussion here first..it will really be the first time that we've been able to Kay Date forwarded: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: estral@switchboard.net Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > At 06:32 PM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: > > I would take Holly's suggestion a step further, and suggest > that before we invite NT to join us, that maybe we all take a > turn to candidly express our opinions on this subject of her > resignation. I believe that we have not heard from everyone > on this matter, and it is possible that there are those out > there who think that we should accept Nancy's resignation, > rather than trying to persuade her to un-resign. Perhaps the > privateness of THIS list, (and I would hope that we would all > honor its privacy, and not share what is said here on other > lists), will allow people to feel free to express their opinions > on the subject. > > > >Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her > >that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. > >If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. > > > >Betsy > > > > > > > >At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept > >>her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. > >> > >>It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to > >>confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. > >> > >> > >>Holly Timm > >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Kim Harris Myers > estral@switchboard.net > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY > http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > > NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > > Visit the November County of the Month: > Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:41:57 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36427E15.473E08D4@dc.jones.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I voted to offer Nancy a chance to rescind her resignation. To tell you all the truth, I am not real sure how much good it will do to talk it about with her on this list. There were probably many reasons behind her decision to resign and we will probably never know them all. However, her letter of resignation did point the finger of blame directly at majority of the Board. That bothered me a lot! She felt that we were fighting her at every turn and we felt that she was fighting us at every turn. The problem lay in her intrepretation of what the Board was supposed to be. I know that when Megan first took over as NC and appointed the original Board, her intent was the the Board was a Board of Directors. Sir James wouldn't post it that way on the USGW page and insisted on calling it Advisory Board. Therein lies the problem. All of us have seen all of the definitions posted to the lists from Merriam Websters as to the definition of the term "advisory". That one small word has caused an incredible amount of dissention. How will this be settled? I honestly don't know. If there is no agreement as to what the Board actually is, how can this be resolved no matter who the NC is? Sorry, I rambled off the point. I believe that we should offer Nancy the opportunity to be subbed here and talk with us. That opportunity should include the rescinding of the resignation. If she chooses to place strings on it - no go in my book. We have to get to the point where we function together. estral@switchboard.net wrote: > At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: > >So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. > >Betsy > > > Can we review what has been said before we do? > Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? > Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? > I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the > opinions that have been offered, so we can see that > everyone has had a chance to be heard: > > Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation > Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on > Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems > Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably > for the best that she resigned > Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to > withdraw her resignation > Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on > Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on > Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on > Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider > > Unsure about: > Craven, Jan - > James-Henderson, Yvonne - > Reid, Pam - > Smith, Bridgett - > Wafford, Debbie - > > Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? > I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett > and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have > the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion > of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. > Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we > stand? > > Thanks, > > Kim Harris Myers > estral@switchboard.net > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY > http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > > NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > > Visit the November County of the Month: > Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 06:27:25 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106062725.007f1560@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:41 PM 11/5/98 -0500, Pam Reid wrote: >I voted to offer Nancy a chance to rescind her resignation. To tell you >all the truth, I am not real sure how much good it will do to talk it >about with her on this list. There were probably many reasons behind her Suggested Opening Messsage to Nancy: (Remember this will somehow find its way to the -ALL list) Welcome Nancy, The board has spent some days discussing your resignation a wishes to ask you to reconsider. This is done out of courtesy and respect for you for your many years of dedicated service to USGenWeb and genealogy. The USGenWeb Project must move on. We have been hampered over the past months by misunderstanding, lack of communication and confusion as to your leadership role. The board has an obligation to the CCs, who elected all of us, to resolve the major problems confronting USGenWeb. It is with this in mind that we ask for a decision from you in order that the Project move on. Feel free to edit. Just remember, no overt attacks, no demands, we want to resolve this problem and move on. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:13:05 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981107161305.007af100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 PM 11/7/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: > >I also think we need to get the announcements and motions out of the way >regarding accepting Nancy's resignation and the appointing of the interim >NC so we can move onwards. > I agree. Here it is as original with the homophone corrected. In light of some of the other discussion going on I think someone other than I should post it to the board list with all our names on it. I feel it should also be posted to the -ALL and SC lists, niether of which I have access to. ________________________________________ It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary replacement and setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99. Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in limbo for the past two months. Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. ___________________________________________ Bob > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:10:12 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104201012.03c81410@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree Kim. I don't think Nancy does want to be convinced to come back. I gather that being NC was not at all like she expected. Now that the dust has settled a bit, I have received a number of posts suggesting we accept the resignation. I think if we did manage to convince her to come back it would come around to haunt us down the road and frankly I am having a bit of trouble with this whole idea of our having to convince her to return and work with us. At 07:51 PM 11/4/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I would take Holly's suggestion a step further, and suggest >that before we invite NT to join us, that maybe we all take a >turn to candidly express our opinions on this subject of her >resignation. I believe that we have not heard from everyone >on this matter, and it is possible that there are those out >there who think that we should accept Nancy's resignation, >rather than trying to persuade her to un-resign. Perhaps the >privateness of THIS list, (and I would hope that we would all >honor its privacy, and not share what is said here on other >lists), will allow people to feel free to express their opinions >on the subject. > > >>Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her >>that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. >>If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. >> >>Betsy >> >> >> >>At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >>>her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. >>> >>>It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >>>confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. >>> >>> >>>Holly Timm >>>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >>> >>> >>> >> >> >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:28:53 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062233.OAA29630@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Okay, that does it then I guess. Now who is up to having their stomach tied in knots and continual headaches Trey? Bridgett On 6 Nov 98, at 13:42, Kay Mason wrote: > Here is the reply.. > > Kay > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:28:12 -0600 > To: kmfkm@ptw.com > From: Nancy Trice > Subject: Re: Can we talk? > > Hi Kay... I think it's best if you guys just go on and do whatever you > need to do to try to get things moving without me. I said I would think > about it, and I have done a lot of that for the past few days. For the > first time since this all started I don't have a knot in my stomach and no > longer have the constant headache I've had for almost 2 months. In > addition to that, there is a good chance that I will actually be a member > of RW staff for GC before the end of the year. If it happens, it would > just add more fuel to the fire and the board and USGW doesn't need that. > > I wish you all nothing but the best, but my decision is firm. > Thanks, and best wishes. > nt > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:35:35 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041737.JAA12991@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Our other big election problem is the holidays.. she sure picked a bad time to do this.. We need to have the election after the first of the year.. and I agree that 2 weeks for voting ought to be plenty.. even 1 week might work. I told Frank what was going on and let him read NT & some of Kathy Heidels emails.. and he shook his head and talked about the high incidence of mental illness in USGW I believe that NT wants us to beg her to come back and to promise her that we will do anything that she wants. I'm not going to.. It seems to me that the only way she could stay on would be if she would agree to an "assistant NC" who did all the work(called for votes..ran meeting, etc). and that is a BAD precedent ..one I don't think we want to start.. Kay Date forwarded: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:58:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Bridgett Smith" Date sent: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:58:19 -0800 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Priority: normal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > I agree with Beth that we need to get things at least scheduled in > some way. > > I also don't know enough about PPP, only the snippets I've read > here and there. In fact from what I am reading not many of us do > feel that confident with our knowledge of PPP, although Bob does > have a book to look things up with . > > Many cool headed folks seem to feel we need to accept Nancy's > resignation and the "screamers" think we should not. However, as > my husband has put it (and all he hears is my own rampaging and > events that are happening -- he knows nothing about genealogy nor > computers), how can you reject someone's resignation -- if they > don't want the job, they don't want the job. > > Anyway, I would like to see possibly 30 days of submission of > nominees (who would want to be NC now?), 30 days of campaigning > and 15 days of voting. Or 15 days of campaigning and 15 days of > voting. In truth I think 30 days just drags out everything and we need > not have things dragged out anymore than need be. > > JMHO > > Bridgett > > > Bridgett Smith > SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > > bascs@wizard.com > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:26:26 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811051428.GAA18109@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Guys, this has been a bad week computer problems.. and all this mess. AND Doc is somewhere between NE and CA.. (and although I asked him).. he didn't have time to set up the mailing address for me before he left . He should be out here tomorrow tho.. I will put something together on how I want this to work..today if possible.. It should be easier this time.. Kay Date forwarded: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 05:41:42 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 07:26:04 -0700 From: Jan Craven Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Another suggestion is that we discuss the elections committee while we are > waiting > for Nancy. This will have to be done anyway and we can do something > productive while we are waiting. > Kay, would you tell us where you are in this process and what we need to do > to > help you? > Jan > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:47:43 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105184743.010efba0@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you, Trey. I really do believe that we have given Nancy every opportunity to join us and I think we are getting her message. I believe 24 hours more is ample time. And we need to be discussing WHO is going to serve as Temp NC. Volunteers?? Betsy At 06:09 PM 11/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Howdy guys, > >I've just finished going through all of todays mail and I am pretty much ok >with all today except for one thing. >It is my opinion that after three days all we should do is send a formal >polite note from the Board to Nancy, cc'd to the Board list and the State >list, offering her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation. Give her >24 hours and set a deadline. If we dont hear from her then we move on. If >we do then I guess we go back to where we left off. > >I do not believe that we should be begging or requesting that someone that >quit on us and this project sto return. > >Thanks > >Trey > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:22:31 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105202231.00b8c3c0@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No, my feelings have always been to ask her to reconsider first. We need to work together. I am not for accepting her back on her terms; I am for accepting her back in an atmosphere of working together for what is best for the project. My "let's get on with it" was the getting on with inviting Nancy here so that we can discuss our differences and see if we can agree to work together. I am not into begging her to stay. Thanks! And no, I don't have a problem with discussing this before she is asked. But we do need to get on with it. Betsy At 09:02 PM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. >>Betsy >> >Can we review what has been said before we do? >Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? >Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? >I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the >opinions that have been offered, so we can see that >everyone has had a chance to be heard: > >Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation >Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on >Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems >Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably > for the best that she resigned >Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to > withdraw her resignation >Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on >Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on >Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on >Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider > >Unsure about: >Craven, Jan - >James-Henderson, Yvonne - >Reid, Pam - >Smith, Bridgett - >Wafford, Debbie - > >Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? >I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett >and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have >the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion >of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. >Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we >stand? > >Thanks, > > >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:46:06 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105214606.008c8c60@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I sent this earlier and haven't seen it come throught yet so I am sending it again. Sorry if this comes thru twice. My opinion is that I want her back with some changes in the way she runs this thing. We need to communicate and she has to understand that we have to abide by the by laws...good or bad, they are ours. I don't think she will accept, and I think Trey's right. We are just going to be going through this again in a few months. Nancy, from what I have heard from others who know her is very good in lots of things, but imo, leadership is not one of them. I have the same situation. I would NEVER consider running for NC! I couldn't handle 15 strong people. Now, Kim......summarize that! Jan At 08:13 PM 11/6/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Kim, > >Thanks for compiling this list. I would like to clarify my position. My >position is not to Ask her to reconsider but to "let her know when she gets >her that we would like to offer her the opportunity to reconsider her >resignation before we formally accept it." No strings attached. > >Thanks > >Trey > > > >At 09:02 PM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>>So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. >>>Betsy >>> >>Can we review what has been said before we do? >>Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? >>Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? >>I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the >>opinions that have been offered, so we can see that >>everyone has had a chance to be heard: >> >>Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation >>Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on >>Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems >>Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably >> for the best that she resigned >>Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to >> withdraw her resignation >>Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on >>Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on >>Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on >>Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider >> >>Unsure about: >>Craven, Jan - >>James-Henderson, Yvonne - >>Reid, Pam - >>Smith, Bridgett - >>Wafford, Debbie - >> >>Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? >>I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett >>and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have >>the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion >>of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. >>Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we >>stand? >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>Kim Harris Myers >>estral@switchboard.net >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho >> >>NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board >> >>Visit the November County of the Month: >>Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki >> >> >> > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 11:13:16 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106111316.008906b0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I guess what we need to do is ask her if she wants to come. Would you do that, Bob? Then let Kim know so she can sub her. OR somebody get her on here......... Bob, do you get the idea that we are trudging through a LA or FL swamp knee deep in mud? (Makes for slow walking!) You folks in yankee land can relate by your experiences walking in deep snow without snow shoes. We don't have swamp shoes down here......that's why we have grown web feet! LOL. Jan At 12:16 PM 11/6/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Right Bob, that's what I thought, just a Welcome note to Nancy once she >is signed on to the list. I don't think we need it going anywhere >else right now. > >Bob Bamford wrote: >> >> At 09:16 AM 11/6/98 -0700, Jan Craven wrote: >> >> Whoa! That was intended as a Welcome message when nancy was subbed to this list. Thought we were going to do that. >> >> Bob >> > > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:11:17 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364357E4.10F45E56@dc.jones.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] my feelings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan, Cute story. Thanks for sharing it. If we are going to get Nancy in here, NOW is the time. Hopefully once that happens, we can cut to the chase and get it all settled. My frustrations are the same as everyone elses. We have basically accomplised nothing in the past two months and we need to mover foward in a positive direction. Jan Craven wrote: > I agree with Ginger and Bob. > Let's get this thing over with. > I generally don't do this but this is short and funny. > *********************************************************** > Thought you might get a chuckle out of this : > > A modern mother is explaining to her little girl about pictures in the > family photo album. "This is the geneticist with your surrogate mother > and here's your sperm donor and your father's clone. This is me holding > you when you were just a frozen embryo. The lady with the very troubled > look on her face is your aunt, a genealogist." > Jan > > At 09:24 AM 11/6/1998 EST, you wrote: > >Kay, > > > >I share your thoughts on this. Let's get Nancy in here so that we can > proceed > >to either work it out with her, or get on with the business of accepting her > >resignation and getting an acting NC appointed. We've had several days to > >talk, think and consider, and now it's time to act. > > > >Ginger > > > >> My biggest problem is that I just don't want things to go on the way > >> they have been for the last two months. We have sat and waited > >> for NT to get around to doing something for way too long. When > >> one of us has to call her to get her attention to a pressing matter > >> (Maureen's resignation) ... it just isn't working.. > >> > >> Can she change? Does she want to? Can we deal with anymore > >> frustration? I know I sure don't want to look forward to that.. The > >> longer we talk, the more I am in favor of just accepting her > >> resingation..and getting on with it. > >> > >> Are we ready to talk to her, or do we need more time? > >> > >> Kay > > > > -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:22:35 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981107162235.03bc2e90@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:13 PM 11/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I agree. Here it is as original with the homophone corrected. In light of >some of the other discussion going on I think someone other than I should >post it to the board list with all our names on it. I feel it should also >be posted to the -ALL and SC lists, niether of which I have access to. see below for one further change for clarity.... can we take a fast vote on here on this... when we hit the majority, let's go for it >________________________________________ >It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the >National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will >not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential >personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past >and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > >Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary >replacement and setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99. >Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in >limbo for the past two months. ...setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99 for a National Coordinator to serve the balance of the term. >Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the >best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those >interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. >___________________________________________ > >Bob > > >> >>Holly Timm >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:20:15 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <71908d60.3644b98f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Bob, Bravo, and "Well Done!" This looks absolutely perfect to me! Ginger > I agree. Here it is as original with the homophone corrected. In light of > some of the other discussion going on I think someone other than I should > post it to the board list with all our names on it. I feel it should also > be posted to the -ALL and SC lists, niether of which I have access to. > ________________________________________ > It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the > National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will > not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential > personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past > and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > > Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary > replacement and setting up an election to be held before 1/15/99. > Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in > limbo for the past two months. > > Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those > interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > ___________________________________________ > > Bob > Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:51:52 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981107165152.007b56d0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reworded to include Kay's and Holly's suggestions. ________________________________________ It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us the she will not rescind her resignation. This is due, in part, to other potential personal commitments. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve the balance of the term. Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in limbo for the past two months. Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. ___________________________________________ >> >>Bob >> >> >>> >>>Holly Timm >>>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >>> >>> >> >> >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:04:21 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981108130421.0086ed80@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] corrected posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This doesn't seem to have gotten to teh list first time, resending Corrected version.... removes the potential commitmants sentence and corrects a minor typo in the first paragraph (..advised us the she.. changed to ...advised us that she...) Somebody, Jan? Bridgett? Yvonne? volunteer to be the temporary chairman until we can elect the temp NC please. The procedure is all laid out by Bob to follow ___________________________________________ I move that the board accept the following resolution... It is with deep regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us that she will not rescind her resignation. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and continued service to the USGenWeb Project. Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve the balance of the NC's term. Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in limbo for the past two months. Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. ___________________________________________ Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:30:36 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108133036.008ba4c0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] corrected posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll post it. What the Hay! Has anyone heard from Debbie at all??? I really wish she would make her presence know. Jan At 01:59 PM 11/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:04 PM 11/8/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: > >Ok with me although I thought my syntax error was cute. Jan caught it the >other day but never told me what it was... that's why I suggested she post >:>) > >Bob > > >>This doesn't seem to have gotten to teh list first time, resending >> >>Corrected version.... removes the potential commitmants sentence and >>corrects a minor typo in the first paragraph (..advised us the she.. >>changed to ...advised us that she...) >> >>Somebody, Jan? Bridgett? Yvonne? volunteer to be the temporary chairman >>until we can elect the temp NC please. The procedure is all laid out by Bob >>to follow >>___________________________________________ >>I move that the board accept the following resolution... It is with deep >>regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National Coordinator's >>resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us that she will not rescind her >>resignation. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and >>continued service to the USGenWeb Project. >> >>Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary >>replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to serve >>the balance of the NC's term. >> >>Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have been held in >>limbo for the past two months. >> >>Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the >>best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with those >>interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. >>___________________________________________ >> >> >>Holly Timm >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >> >> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > "Tools for the New England researcher" >VISIT US AT: > http://www.hertge.com/essex > >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri > (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 08:12:15 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109081215.00b7a100@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not yet! This has to be voted on and adopted first. Betsy At 03:43 PM 11/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'll be more than happy to post the note to the Board-L, -ALL and aske >that it be forwarded to the SC list (I am not on that one). Is this all >I need to say? > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >I move that the board accept the following resolution... It is with deep > >regret that, after days of discussion regarding the National >Coordinator's >resignation, Nancy Trice has advised us that she will not rescind her >resignation. Please join with us in thanking Nancy for her past and >continued service to the USGenWeb Project. > >Your National Advisory Board will now move on to selecting a temporary >replacement and setting up an election for a National Coordinator to >serve >the balance of the NC's term. > >Concurrently we will be addressing the many issues that have not been >addressed for the past two months. > >Please bear with us during this most trying time. We have always had the > >best interests of the volunteers at heart and will now proceed with >those >interests and those of the project as our continuing goal. > >-- >Pam Reid in Virginia > >mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >Branches and Roots >http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >Tombstone Transcription Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >Gloucester County VAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > > > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:51:46 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104195146.007964b0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:32 PM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: I would take Holly's suggestion a step further, and suggest that before we invite NT to join us, that maybe we all take a turn to candidly express our opinions on this subject of her resignation. I believe that we have not heard from everyone on this matter, and it is possible that there are those out there who think that we should accept Nancy's resignation, rather than trying to persuade her to un-resign. Perhaps the privateness of THIS list, (and I would hope that we would all honor its privacy, and not share what is said here on other lists), will allow people to feel free to express their opinions on the subject. >Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her >that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. >If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. > >Betsy > > > >At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >>her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. >> >>It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >>confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. >> >> >>Holly Timm >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >> >> >> > > Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:21:40 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9d13b12a.3640fda4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > It sure won't hurt for all of us to have a discussion here first..it will > really be the first time that we've been able to > > Kay Amen to that! My initial effort to try to get Nancy to reconsider was done partly because she was the voters' choice and I felt that it would be best for the group as a whole to work this through together. At this point I am saddened at what sounds more and more to me like ultimatums, and any ultimatum issued by anyone, under any situation, is not my idea of the spirit of compromise. My email delivery here on the east coast of FL is very slow and sporadic as the evening progresses... If someone will drop me a direct post once we're ready to proceed, I'll send a post to Board-L and formally withdraw my motion to refuse Nancy's resignation. (You'd think being 5 minutes from the Space Center we'd have more efficient internet services!!) Ginger Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:21:03 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104192103.0110d430@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My thoughts are this, I believe for the good of the project, we must make a good faith effort to ask her to reconsider (and we are fast approaching the end of that good faith effort). I will not beg. I have offered her a hand in friendship as have several others on this board. If she chooses not to accept them, then it will have to be her loss. I think we let her know who is here and who isn't here and let her make up her own mind as to whether to join us or not. But do realize, that if she gets in here and we do anything that feels to her like we are "attacking" her (whether we are or not) will cause her to leave in a huff. She just has to realize that not everyone agrees with everyone else ALL the time! And I am not certain she understands that concept. Just MHO! Betsy At 07:51 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 06:32 PM 11/4/98 -0600, you wrote: > >I would take Holly's suggestion a step further, and suggest >that before we invite NT to join us, that maybe we all take a >turn to candidly express our opinions on this subject of her >resignation. I believe that we have not heard from everyone >on this matter, and it is possible that there are those out >there who think that we should accept Nancy's resignation, >rather than trying to persuade her to un-resign. Perhaps the >privateness of THIS list, (and I would hope that we would all >honor its privacy, and not share what is said here on other >lists), will allow people to feel free to express their opinions >on the subject. > > >>Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her >>that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. >>If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. >> >>Betsy >> >> >> >>At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>>I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >>>her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. >>> >>>It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >>>confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. >>> >>> >>>Holly Timm >>>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >>> >>> >>> >> >> >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:46:29 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981115194629.0086d700@mail.bright.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >From: "Don Spidell" >To: >Subject: Letter >Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:20:42 -0700 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 > >I hereby rescind my former letter of Grievance/Complaint against Nancy Trice >and Maureen Reed. > >I still would like to see an amendment to the by-laws covering impeachment >of the National Coordinator and Members of the Board. > >I also propose that the name of the USGenWeb Board of Advisors be changed to >the USGenWeb Project Board of Directors. > >Donald L. Spidell > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:11:54 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364F7BDA.4CC06537@idt.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding this letter from Donald Spidell. Subject: Letter Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:20:57 -0700 From: "Don Spidell" To: I hereby rescind my former letter of Grievance/Complaint against Nancy Trice and Maureen Reed. I still would like to see an amendment to the by-laws covering impeachment of the National Coordinator and Members of the Board. I also propose that the name of the USGenWeb Board of Advisors be changed to the USGenWeb Project Board of Directors. Donald L. Spidell Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:54:02 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981115215402.007bd100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 11/15/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: >I am forwarding this letter from Donald Spidell. > See how affective our new grievance procedure is :>) Bob >Subject: Letter > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:20:57 -0700 > From: "Don Spidell" > To: > >I hereby rescind my former letter of Grievance/Complaint against Nancy Trice and >Maureen Reed. > >I still would like to see an amendment to the by-laws covering impeachment of >the National Coordinator and Members of the Board. > >I also propose that the name of the USGenWeb Board of Advisors be changed to the >USGenWeb Project Board of Directors. > >Donald L. Spidell > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:59:39 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811042301.PAA13474@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] well.. we're getting toward 0 hour Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It's almost 3pm here.. 4 more hours to go.. and we still haven't heard from Debbie and Kim. I understand that Terry had a real meltdown of her computer.. so I think that we can excuse her.. and I think that we know her well enough to know that she will agree to whatever decision we make.. I did hear from NT.. ****** Date sent: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00:11 -0600 To: kmfkm@ptw.com From: Nancy Trice Subject: Re: Can we talk? Kay... please sub me ONLY if you hear from everyone. I don't expect everyone to always agree, but EVERYONE has to agree to talk about it, even if we don't work it out. ;-) nt At 06:29 PM 11/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > >I have a suggestion. I have an Election committee list that is not b **** So, if we don't hear from the other two.. do we call them? or do we just go ahead and do what has to be done? Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:09:15 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981106180915.00c7df78@txcyber.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy guys, I've just finished going through all of todays mail and I am pretty much ok with all today except for one thing. It is my opinion that after three days all we should do is send a formal polite note from the Board to Nancy, cc'd to the Board list and the State list, offering her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation. Give her 24 hours and set a deadline. If we dont hear from her then we move on. If we do then I guess we go back to where we left off. I do not believe that we should be begging or requesting that someone that quit on us and this project sto return. Thanks Trey Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:02:29 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105210229.00a2bcc0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. >Betsy > Can we review what has been said before we do? Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the opinions that have been offered, so we can see that everyone has had a chance to be heard: Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably for the best that she resigned Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to withdraw her resignation Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider Unsure about: Craven, Jan - James-Henderson, Yvonne - Reid, Pam - Smith, Bridgett - Wafford, Debbie - Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we stand? Thanks, Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:02:55 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105210255.009a1b60@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Offer or request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:46 PM 11/6/1998 -0600, Trey Holt wrote: >I'm ready for her to join us also. I forgot she said she would. I would >hold back the 24hr thing unless she sais she would like to think about it >then we can give her the 24 hrs. Otherwise if she still chooses to be >resigned or chooses not to join us in this forum I think that we should >immediatley move to formally accept her choice to resign. >Trey Why wait around for her to think about whether to join us or not. She said she would join if we were all here and we are. This waiting around on Nancy has been one of our biggest problems! Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:13:39 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981106201339.01171618@txcyber.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kim, Thanks for compiling this list. I would like to clarify my position. My position is not to Ask her to reconsider but to "let her know when she gets her that we would like to offer her the opportunity to reconsider her resignation before we formally accept it." No strings attached. Thanks Trey At 09:02 PM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. >>Betsy >> >Can we review what has been said before we do? >Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? >Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? >I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the >opinions that have been offered, so we can see that >everyone has had a chance to be heard: > >Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation >Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on >Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems >Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably > for the best that she resigned >Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to > withdraw her resignation >Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on >Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on >Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on >Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider > >Unsure about: >Craven, Jan - >James-Henderson, Yvonne - >Reid, Pam - >Smith, Bridgett - >Wafford, Debbie - > >Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? >I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett >and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have >the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion >of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. >Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we >stand? > >Thanks, > > >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:44:17 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be092f$58ca04e0$78bb8ecf@default> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Wills, Beth - Ask her to reconsider I believe that my latest :-) was that we accept NT's resignation and move on Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm -----Original Message----- From: estral@switchboard.net To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 9:06 PM Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? >At 07:11 PM 11/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>So, is everyone ready to ask her to join us then? I am. >>Betsy >> >Can we review what has been said before we do? >Do we know what our position is as a board towards Nancy? >Are we willing to accept her back on her terms, or ours? >I hope you will allow me to review as I see them, the >opinions that have been offered, so we can see that >everyone has had a chance to be heard: > >Bamford, Bob - Give her 1 last chance to withdraw resignation >Cisewski, Virginia "Ginger" - 1 last chance, then move on >Davis, Terry - unavailable due to computer problems >Holt, Trey - Ask her to reconsider out of courtesy, but its probably > for the best that she resigned >Mason, Kay - Talk to NT and tell her how we feel before we ask her to > withdraw her resignation >Mills, Betsy - Accept her resignation and move on >Myers, Kim - Accept her resignation and move on >Timm, Holly - Accept her resignation and move on > >Unsure about: >Craven, Jan - >James-Henderson, Yvonne - >Reid, Pam - >Smith, Bridgett - >Wafford, Debbie - > >Does this pretty well describe your feelings on the matter? >I couldn't find any opinions from Jan, Yvonne, Pam, Bridgett >and Debbie. They may have expressed them and I don't have >the message anymore, but they represent a substantial portion >of the board, and I would like to know what their position is. >Can you humor me and let's as a group be sure of where we >stand? > >Thanks, > > >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 22:15:38 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364269DA.291AB3A6@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kim, We have asked Nancy to reconsider her resignation, so we must give her that opportunity. My opinion is that if she declines, then we must formally accept it and move on. Yvonne Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:24:49 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] my feelings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kay, I share your thoughts on this. Let's get Nancy in here so that we can proceed to either work it out with her, or get on with the business of accepting her resignation and getting an acting NC appointed. We've had several days to talk, think and consider, and now it's time to act. Ginger > My biggest problem is that I just don't want things to go on the way > they have been for the last two months. We have sat and waited > for NT to get around to doing something for way too long. When > one of us has to call her to get her attention to a pressing matter > (Maureen's resignation) ... it just isn't working.. > > Can she change? Does she want to? Can we deal with anymore > frustration? I know I sure don't want to look forward to that.. The > longer we talk, the more I am in favor of just accepting her > resingation..and getting on with it. > > Are we ready to talk to her, or do we need more time? > > Kay Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:48:21 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106084821.00902ca0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] my feelings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I agree with Ginger and Bob. Let's get this thing over with. I generally don't do this but this is short and funny. *********************************************************** Thought you might get a chuckle out of this : A modern mother is explaining to her little girl about pictures in the family photo album. "This is the geneticist with your surrogate mother and here's your sperm donor and your father's clone. This is me holding you when you were just a frozen embryo. The lady with the very troubled look on her face is your aunt, a genealogist." Jan At 09:24 AM 11/6/1998 EST, you wrote: >Kay, > >I share your thoughts on this. Let's get Nancy in here so that we can proceed >to either work it out with her, or get on with the business of accepting her >resignation and getting an acting NC appointed. We've had several days to >talk, think and consider, and now it's time to act. > >Ginger > >> My biggest problem is that I just don't want things to go on the way >> they have been for the last two months. We have sat and waited >> for NT to get around to doing something for way too long. When >> one of us has to call her to get her attention to a pressing matter >> (Maureen's resignation) ... it just isn't working.. >> >> Can she change? Does she want to? Can we deal with anymore >> frustration? I know I sure don't want to look forward to that.. The >> longer we talk, the more I am in favor of just accepting her >> resingation..and getting on with it. >> >> Are we ready to talk to her, or do we need more time? >> >> Kay > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 10:07:04 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36431098.7D181CA8@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, I like your message to Nancy, it is short and to the point. (is there a typo in the first sentence? ) I also think it should be "signed" by each of us, so she knows that we are all of "one mind". I know we "all" agree that we have to get this behind us and get on! Yvonne Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:16:38 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106091638.00902600@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks. I like the letter too. If no one objects, Bob why don't you send it this evening to the appropriate places. I think I can speak for Yvonne because of the letter below and tell you to sign our two names to it. Would everyone else let Bob know if that is ok to do. IF this is not ok, I suggest that we all meet tonite in irc and come up with a plan. Some folks work and can't do day time. Debbie. We still haven't heard from you since you sub'd. Are you back in China??? ;o) Jan At 10:07 AM 11/6/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Bob, > >I like your message to Nancy, it is short and to the point. >(is there a typo in the first sentence? ) >I also think it should be "signed" by each of us, >so she knows that we are all of "one mind". > >I know we "all" agree that we have to get this behind us and get on! > >Yvonne > ate: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:51:57 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811061656.IAA27396@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Getting on with it Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob, You wrote an excellent msg to Nancy and where ever else it might appear, please sign my name to it also. Bridgett Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:42:41 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811071947.LAA00800@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] who is going to send in the announcement.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Morning, afternoon folks (I am on west coast) I guess I haven't been kicked off the BL list, but haven't seen anything posted to the list regarding Nancy. Is everyone waiting on everyone else to do so? LOL Bridgett ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 15:06:33 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981107150633.03bc4470@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to suggest Bob for the temporary/acting NC (whatever the 90 day job is called). I think he has a good handle on procedural methods andwe can get some of that sorted out and functioning smoothly during the interim period before an NC is elected. Both Trey and Kay seem to have very full plates at the moment, basically just about any of us could "do" the job, I just think what is needed most right now is someone who will help us get proper but functional procedures established. Then whoever gets elected will be coming into something with a bit more form and substance than we started with in September. I also think we need to get the announcements and motions out of the way regarding accepting Nancy's resignation and the appointing of the interim NC so we can move onwards. Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:11:09 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981107141109.008e5bf0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I think Holly's idea is good. Bob surely has more free time than Trey does and I think the would both do a good job. I have been working on the archives all day and wondering if I had lost my membership in this exclusive club, too! Where is everyone! Bob, would you be willing? Know you are able! Jan At 03:06 PM 11/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I would like to suggest Bob for the temporary/acting NC (whatever the 90 >day job is called). I think he has a good handle on procedural methods >andwe can get some of that sorted out and functioning smoothly during the >interim period before an NC is elected. Both Trey and Kay seem to have very >full plates at the moment, basically just about any of us could "do" the >job, I just think what is needed most right now is someone who will help us >get proper but functional procedures established. Then whoever gets elected >will be coming into something with a bit more form and substance than we >started with in September. > >I also think we need to get the announcements and motions out of the way >regarding accepting Nancy's resignation and the appointing of the interim >NC so we can move onwards. > > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:31:20 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981107223120.03d04770@mail.bright.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The natives are getting restless and I think we need to get the message.motions whatever posted ASAP about accepting Nancy's resignation, any volunteers to do this? Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 23:06:41 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981107230641.008c6880@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Let Trey do it. He has a good reputation with everyone! ;o) If he doesn't want to , I am sure that Kay will be glad to. At 10:31 PM 11/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: >The natives are getting restless and I think we need to get the >message.motions whatever posted ASAP about accepting Nancy's resignation, >any volunteers to do this? > > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:52:29 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <91125dd2.3645b02d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I also strongly object to this line being included, for the same reason as Kay specified, -It's not our place to say what her future commitments are or are not. Ginger > I strongly object to the following line: > > >This is due, in part, to other potential > > personal commitments. > > As I pointed out before, it is not our place to say something like > this.. If you wish to use it, then I think that Nancy should be > consulted first... > Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:04:02 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108100402.007bed70@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:22 AM 11/8/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >I strongly object to the following line: > >>This is due, in part, to other potential >> personal commitments. > >As I pointed out before, it is not our place to say something like >this.. If you wish to use it, then I think that Nancy should be >consulted first... > When I got up this AM (at 3:45 AM our time, that's before you went to bed!) I thought 'maybe we should pull that out, it serves no purpose other than to rationalize her action. If everyone else agrees, I have no problem with taking it out. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 11:47:58 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981108114758.03c0ac80@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Note change to #14 please At 08:39 AM 11/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >1. Elect a temporary chair to preside at the meeting. I suggest that be Jan >as her first name is easy to spell :>) agreed >2. Introduce the announcement as a resolution... "I move that the board >accept the following resolution... minor corrections addressed in my immediately prior message >3. Second the above. >4. Ask for discussion >5. Call for vote (hopefully unanimous) >6. Vote, (Celia, could you act as vote tallier?) >7. Post resoultion to SC list (it will already be in board archives.) >8. Nominations for Temporary NC to replace Nancy >9. Seconds, Voting etc. >10. Announce results of vote to SC list. >11. Temp NC takes charge. >12. Anybody, make a motion that board meet in executive session. >13. Second, discuss, vote >14. Move discussion in Campaign98 list. alter this to: 14. Move discussion to Executive Session on the Campaign 98 list. Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:57:47 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108135747.007bb1c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:47 AM 11/8/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >Note change to #14 please > Ok on #14 but the steps in 12, 13 1nd 14 do that. You did make it more explicit :>) Bob >At 08:39 AM 11/8/1998 -0500, you wrote: >>1. Elect a temporary chair to preside at the meeting. I suggest that be Jan >>as her first name is easy to spell :>) > >agreed > >>2. Introduce the announcement as a resolution... "I move that the board >>accept the following resolution... > >minor corrections addressed in my immediately prior message > >>3. Second the above. > >>4. Ask for discussion > >>5. Call for vote (hopefully unanimous) > >>6. Vote, (Celia, could you act as vote tallier?) > >>7. Post resoultion to SC list (it will already be in board archives.) > >>8. Nominations for Temporary NC to replace Nancy > >>9. Seconds, Voting etc. > >>10. Announce results of vote to SC list. > >>11. Temp NC takes charge. > >>12. Anybody, make a motion that board meet in executive session. > >>13. Second, discuss, vote > >>14. Move discussion in Campaign98 list. > >alter this to: >14. Move discussion to Executive Session on the Campaign 98 list. > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:55:40 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49aa38b6.36489a3c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Daily Board Show Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > We should, go back to numbering motions. The system Nancy was using seems > useable. Believe the last was 98-3 so first nomination should be 98-4. Can > anyone confirm? > I think my "Motion Not to Accept" was labeled 98-5. Will go looking to see if I can verify that... Ginger Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:45:21 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981110154521.007ba670@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Daily Board Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:55 PM 11/10/98 EST, FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: >> We should, go back to numbering motions. The system Nancy was using seems >> useable. Believe the last was 98-3 so first nomination should be 98-4. Can >> anyone confirm? >> > >I think my "Motion Not to Accept" was labeled 98-5. Will go looking to see if >I can verify that... > Just looked in the Archives and believe that is correct. It was called Motion #5 not 98-5. If your search comes up the same, we should start with 98-6 Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:40:17 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811122342.PAA16179@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Peace Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Guys, let's face it.. I think that all of us have enjoyed the peace and the ability to calmly discuss things with each other that this list has given us. That is one of the reasons that I'm opposed to Kathy Heidel's replacing Maureen. The thought of having someone who will probably cc the ALL list on everything is enough to give me knots in the stomach and a head ache (of course, this may be the reason that Nancy had them too). Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:12:30 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981112191230.00a8b5d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Peace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I thought one of the next items on our TO DO list was to forbid doing just that. Which reminds me, did we nominate and vote on our temp NC yet? At 03:40 PM 11/12/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Guys, let's face it.. I think that all of us have enjoyed the peace >and the ability to calmly discuss things with each other that this >list has given us. That is one of the reasons that I'm opposed to >Kathy Heidel's replacing Maureen. The thought of having someone >who will probably cc the ALL list on everything is enough to give >me knots in the stomach and a head ache (of course, this may be >the reason that Nancy had them too). > >Kay >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:59:18 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oops! Sorry for the "blank" post! I got my first pair of bifocals yesterday and am not adjusting too well! Yvonne, I am not on your list, so I appreciate the forwarded comments. You've got some good thinkers in that group! I agree we have all spent too much time "tiptoeing" around and have basically defeated ourselves. Speaking strictly for myself, not knowing anyone makes me a bit shy and hesitant in a "new" situation. I was slow at "getting into the swing" because I came on the board after a long, difficult year of watching my mother-in-law (who was also my best friend) lose her battle with cancer. She passed away on Aug. 25th and so my absence on Sept. 1st was because we had taken her for the last trip home to Nebraska. So in the beginning, I confess I was not as focused as I should have been, in many ways. I also agree someone needs to be "acting" NC, or chair at least until we can move toward the next step, whatever that will be. And no, I am NOT volunteering for this. I have no experience with chairing meetings or ppp and my fumbling would slow us all down! I think right now we need speed and decisiveness. The majority of correspondence from my constituents indicates that they are anxious for us to "get on with it" and also for the board to refuse Nancy's resignation. And those I've heard from seem to care more about that than whether the Board-L is open or not. I think the only ones who care about it are the small group of "screamers" that frequent the -ALL list and like to stir up trouble. Just my thoughts, folks... digest and re-hash at will! Ginger Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:58:19 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041702.JAA16872@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I agree with Beth that we need to get things at least scheduled in some way. I also don't know enough about PPP, only the snippets I've read here and there. In fact from what I am reading not many of us do feel that confident with our knowledge of PPP, although Bob does have a book to look things up with . Many cool headed folks seem to feel we need to accept Nancy's resignation and the "screamers" think we should not. However, as my husband has put it (and all he hears is my own rampaging and events that are happening -- he knows nothing about genealogy nor computers), how can you reject someone's resignation -- if they don't want the job, they don't want the job. Anyway, I would like to see possibly 30 days of submission of nominees (who would want to be NC now?), 30 days of campaigning and 15 days of voting. Or 15 days of campaigning and 15 days of voting. In truth I think 30 days just drags out everything and we need not have things dragged out anymore than need be. JMHO Bridgett Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:30:02 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > We also have to get on this special election thing. Does > anyone know how this worked?, I mean to get a ballot to every CC in the > project? If we are going to meet our deadline, we should have a time > table. Like - Nominations for the next 30 days, campaign for 30 days, and > then 30 days for the vote to come in. Just an idea Good plan! Also a reasonable time frame (I think!) Kay did the last election, so if anyone knows how it worked, I would imagine it's her... Comments and/or clues Kay??? Also think we need to do something about my pending Motion... If we decide to go ahead and vote on it, it may fall under Article VIII, Section 3. that says for major issues we will announce 48 hours in advance when the vote will be taken to allow for sufficient input. Don't know if this one would require that or not... Ideas anyone?? (If it is certain that Nancy will not consider returning under any circumstance, I will withdraw my motion so that we may proceed with what needs to be done.) Ginger Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:05:17 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104140517.008a5690@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good thoughts Ginger. I think you are right about the majority of the folks want leadership and That is what we need to give them. This is too precious to let it flounder. I just wish we could shut down the screamers.... Jan At 10:59 AM 11/4/1998 EST, you wrote: >Oops! Sorry for the "blank" post! >I got my first pair of bifocals yesterday and am not adjusting too well! > >Yvonne, > >I am not on your list, so I appreciate the forwarded comments. You've got >some good thinkers in that group! > >I agree we have all spent too much time "tiptoeing" around and have basically >defeated ourselves. Speaking strictly for myself, not knowing anyone makes me >a bit shy and hesitant in a "new" situation. I was slow at "getting into the >swing" because I came on the board after a long, difficult year of watching my >mother-in-law (who was also my best friend) lose her battle with cancer. She >passed away on Aug. 25th and so my absence on Sept. 1st was because we had >taken her for the last trip home to Nebraska. So in the beginning, I confess >I was not as focused as I should have been, in many ways. > >I also agree someone needs to be "acting" NC, or chair at least until we can >move toward the next step, whatever that will be. And no, I am NOT >volunteering for this. I have no experience with chairing meetings or ppp >and my fumbling would slow us all down! I think right now we need speed and >decisiveness. > >The majority of correspondence from my constituents indicates that they are >anxious for us to "get on with it" and also for the board to refuse Nancy's >resignation. And those I've heard from seem to care more about that than >whether the Board-L is open or not. I think the only ones who care about it >are the small group of "screamers" that frequent the -ALL list and like to >stir up trouble. > >Just my thoughts, folks... digest and re-hash at will! > >Ginger > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:25:29 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104152529.007d5100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:28 AM 11/4/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >..how long can we resonably discuss problems with Nancy? I don't >think that our discussions can go on for any length of time...we >need to make our points and either find some common ground or >accept her resignation. Not lng. > >Who to appoint? well, first thing, are any of us interested in >running for NC? .... and I feel that the "acting" person should be >someone who would not run for the office if we have to have an >election.. Just fewer screams from the ALL list. BTW, I'm not >interested in running for NC.. > Count me out as a candidate. >Yes, I agree with Ginger, we've tiptoed around.. let ourselves be >strangled by the PPP business. I think that we can make some >simple rules..(like making sure that we have the item of business >we are discussing/voting on in the subject line of our post) and get >on with things.. Bob & Pam are both good at PP if need be and >can guide us. > Glad to help but let's not get bogged down in procedure. >What to do about the Board-L Archives... I told NT that the only >reason we voted to open them was to try to get along with >Maureen..(that sure shut her up).. It seemed that if you called her >bluff on something she would back down.. We can leave them >open and use this (or some other list) to discuss things on. How about we do business here and do formal voting on motions on the Board-L. That way we keep the board list open in the spirit of the BL which require only the votes be published. >Not the USGW_Discuss list....we need to ask Karen to delete it.. >Why?? well >1. NT asked for it without our approval >2. RW didn't turn it over to her- -which upset some folks >3. If we use it, some folks will get upset everytime that they see >it.. Dump it. >It just makes sense to get rid of it and ask for another one..(which >I'm sure we would get with no problem..) > >Or we can close Board-L and let them scream.. they are not >exactly a representative sample of USGW.. and most CCs are >horrified when they see the ALList in action.. > Don't close it yet BUT it should be a goal. >One thing that we need to remember is that most CCs don't want >to be involved in political infighting. They just want to do their >pages and help other folks.. and we are here to make it easier for >them.. > Right! Remember, as i said the other day the ALL list represents less than 5% (up slightly now) of the CCs and mostly the vocal ones. They DO NOT represent a cross section of the CCs. Bob Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:15:26 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104171526.00b1c100@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:25 PM 11/4/1998 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >At 09:28 AM 11/4/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >>..how long can we resonably discuss problems with Nancy? I don't >>think that our discussions can go on for any length of time...we >>need to make our points and either find some common ground or >>accept her resignation. > >Not lng. Agreed... in fact if she doesn't show up here VERY shortly I say accept her resignation and let's move on. Her insistence that we all must be here for her to even consider it is ridiculous and definitely not a sign of wanting to work with anybody IMO. >>Yes, I agree with Ginger, we've tiptoed around.. let ourselves be >>strangled by the PPP business. I think that we can make some >>simple rules..(like making sure that we have the item of business >>we are discussing/voting on in the subject line of our post) and get >>on with things.. Bob & Pam are both good at PP if need be and >>can guide us. >> >Glad to help but let's not get bogged down in procedure. Definitely... KISS is the most efficient >>What to do about the Board-L Archives... I told NT that the only >>reason we voted to open them was to try to get along with >>Maureen..(that sure shut her up).. It seemed that if you called her >>bluff on something she would back down.. We can leave them >>open and use this (or some other list) to discuss things on. > >How about we do business here and do formal voting on motions on the >Board-L. That way we keep the board list open in the spirit of the BL which >require only the votes be published. sounds good to me reduces the snapping alligators >>Not the USGW_Discuss list....we need to ask Karen to delete it.. >>Why?? well >>1. NT asked for it without our approval >>2. RW didn't turn it over to her- -which upset some folks >>3. If we use it, some folks will get upset everytime that they see >>it.. > >Dump it. agreed >>It just makes sense to get rid of it and ask for another one..(which >>I'm sure we would get with no problem..) >> >>Or we can close Board-L and let them scream.. they are not >>exactly a representative sample of USGW.. and most CCs are >>horrified when they see the ALList in action.. >> >Don't close it yet BUT it should be a goal. yup >>One thing that we need to remember is that most CCs don't want >>to be involved in political infighting. They just want to do their >>pages and help other folks.. and we are here to make it easier for >>them.. >> >Right! Remember, as i said the other day the ALL list represents less than >5% (up slightly now) of the CCs and mostly the vocal ones. They DO NOT >represent a cross section of the CCs. not only that but what percent of that number actually even post anything? Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:34:58 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3640E4A2.BED23120@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] well.. we're getting toward 0 hour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you should invite/call Kim and Debbie one last time, before accepting Nancy's resignation. Note that she says she will only come back ONLY if ALL of the board joins the new list. Why wouldn't Kim or Debbie want to join? Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:54:44 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104185444.03c82210@mail.bright.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:32:06 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104183206.00afe100@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, since Kim has joined us, I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. Betsy At 06:54 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >I think maybe someone should directly ask Nancy if she prefers us to accept >her resignation and not try to convince her to come back. > >It has been suggested to me that this *is* what she wants and we ought to >confirm it without any further hiverhaver about it. > > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:52:09 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104195209.00890920@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone heard from Debbie? Is she out of town or does she not want to work this out? Asside from that,.....I really don't think Nancy wants to work this out either at this point and I think we have all given it the best. We will be criticized no matter what, but I am really beginning to bel that the ones on ALL really are the vast minority. Jan Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:45:49 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105054549.03f1e100@mail.bright.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] resolution of this Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think we've stalled long enough with no response from Nancy, I suggest someone make a motion *graciously* accepting her resignation... you know, mumble about accepting her wishes or some such. (Please someone else do it, I've taken incredible heat from KY over this already ) I further suggest that we immediately shove one of ourselves into the Acting NC seat, make appropriate motions regarding setting up the special election, find someone to make acting rep in Maureen's place, etc, as quickly as possible. They need to see that we can accomplish things! Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 07:26:04 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105072604.008a96b0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Another suggestion is that we discuss the elections committee while we are waiting for Nancy. This will have to be done anyway and we can do something productive while we are waiting. Kay, would you tell us where you are in this process and what we need to do to help you? Jan Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:28:03 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981108122803.00a3be30@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>I also wondered about the part that says in limbo. >> >Secretary >Grievance Committee >By-Laws Review Committee >Status of Election Committee >probably a few I missed. > I know what we haven't been able to work on, I just didn't know how appropriate the statement was, maybe just saying something about getting on with the business of the board. I guess the in limbo part sounded like we were pointing blame or something. However, I'd rather see the statement get out, than argue the point. Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:41:44 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981113054144.03f64d70@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] A Couple of Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:07 AM 11/13/1998 -0500, you wrote: >OK, it looks like Bob will be it ! Now for my questions. As acting >Chairperson, does Betsy have a vote? (I think she should). Also, >before we elect Bob temp. NC, should we appoint Mo's replacement so that >the folks from that region won't scream that there were short a Board >vote on the temp. NC thing? Personally, I don't feel that's necessary, >but there will be some complaints. Do we care? I don't think it's necessary as there's no oppositon. >I know we all want to get this done ASAP! But, wanted to throw these >questions out since I know they will come up on our most favorite List >as soon as things start to happen. We can only worry just so much about the ALL list. Betsy, we need to get the nomination posted on Board-L and voted on ASAP. We also then need to follow through with the "executive session" stuff and appointing someone ot the vacancy, the grievance procedure etc. > >-- >Pam Reid in Virginia > >mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >Branches and Roots >http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >Tombstone Transcription Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >Gloucester County VAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative ate: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:18:36 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364F998C.52D9ECF4@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations Boss!! Bob Bamford wrote: > > At 08:11 PM 11/15/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: > >I am forwarding this letter from Donald Spidell. > > > See how affective our new grievance procedure is :>) > > Bob > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:38:20 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be0f24$05c3a620$52bb8ecf@default> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Just a thought Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that I have rethought my thinking .. and I have had a cup of coffee .... The newly elected NC doesn't automatically have to come from the ranks of the current board, so it may possibly not leave another vacancy on the board. And, waiting to elect a new rep for Maureen's spot probably violates the by-laws of replacing her at the next election. So, that should teach me to think..... I think that all of the activity on the other list has me in a tither. Things are getting VERRRA UGLY out there. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm -----Original Message----- From: Beth Wills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 10:44 AM Subject: [Campaign98-L] Just a thought >Just a thought - although it is pretty early for me to be thinking .... >If we appoint a temp person to replace Maureen and add that board position >to the election, we are going to be down a person on the board from Bob's >:-) region. Would it be a better idea to appoint a temp person for >Maureen's position, hold an election for the NC and then hold another >election to fill Maureen's spot and also the spot that the new NC used to >hold? > >Beth > > > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:08:21 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811061409.GAA32544@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] my feelings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT My biggest problem is that I just don't want things to go on the way they have been for the last two months. We have sat and waited for NT to get around to doing something for way too long. When one of us has to call her to get her attention to a pressing matter (Maureen's resignation) ... it just isn't working.. Can she change? Does she want to? Can we deal with anymore frustration? I know I sure don't want to look forward to that.. The longer we talk, the more I am in favor of just accepting her resingation..and getting on with it. Are we ready to talk to her, or do we need more time? Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:25:51 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981106092551.007da300@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] my feelings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:08 AM 11/6/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >My biggest problem is that I just don't want things to go on the way >they have been for the last two months. We have sat and waited >for NT to get around to doing something for way too long. When >one of us has to call her to get her attention to a pressing matter >(Maureen's resignation) ... it just isn't working.. > >Can she change? Does she want to? Can we deal with anymore >frustration? I know I sure don't want to look forward to that.. The >longer we talk, the more I am in favor of just accepting her >resingation..and getting on with it. > >Are we ready to talk to her, or do we need more time? > Let's get it over with. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:12:30 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981113061230.007cb920@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] A Couple of Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:07 AM 11/13/98 -0500, Pam Reid wrote: >OK, it looks like Bob will be it ! Now for my questions. As acting >Chairperson, does Betsy have a vote? (I think she should). Technically no, unless she turns the chair over to someone else (who could not vote, as they would be the chair) in order that she may vote. > Also, >before we elect Bob temp. NC, should we appoint Mo's replacement so that >the folks from that region won't scream that there were short a Board >vote on the temp. NC thing? Personally, I don't feel that's necessary, >but there will be some complaints. Do we care? > Why not! If Betsy retains the chair they would be deprived of two votes. It would be fitting if the SE/SW region moved for a temporary replacement for Maureen's until a permanent replacement can be selected by the region at the same time as the NC election. In as much as the chair can't ... TREY? >I know we all want to get this done ASAP! But, wanted to throw these >questions out since I know they will come up on our most favorite List >as soon as things start to happen. > You're on the ball for 2 AM :>) Bob >-- >Pam Reid in Virginia > >mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >Branches and Roots >http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >Tombstone Transcription Project >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >Gloucester County VAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > > > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:20:15 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981118062015.007d3b90@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:43 PM 11/17/98 -0700, Debbie Wafford wrote: >I don't know Bill so will defer to Ginger's judgement here. >I do think we should add the position to the ballot. > >Terry, Ginger and I 'polled' the region for opinions regarding the >need to fill Maureen's spot. The responses were mixed. >1. just appoint someone >2. highest vote getter in the election > >I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then >announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. > Sounds good to me. Any other comments? Bob Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:36:54 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981118063654.0092b210@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sounds good to me At 06:20 AM 11/18/1998 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:43 PM 11/17/98 -0700, Debbie Wafford wrote: >>I don't know Bill so will defer to Ginger's judgement here. >>I do think we should add the position to the ballot. >> >>Terry, Ginger and I 'polled' the region for opinions regarding the >>need to fill Maureen's spot. The responses were mixed. >>1. just appoint someone >>2. highest vote getter in the election >> >>I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then >>announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. >> >Sounds good to me. Any other comments? > >Bob > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:55:53 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811050000.QAA17127@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Makes you sort of wonder if that could be one of the reasons nt is resigning. I guess I am a pessimist at heart (didn't used to be until about December of 1997), however -- can you imagine the hoopla being raised about the NC (of all people) aligning with RW???? Then I get to thinking all the bunk she wrote in her resignation msg is just that, "bunk." Meaning she could have worked with us if she wanted to, but GenConnect is her baby also and that is probably what she really wants to deal with. I know, I know I am very skeptic. Sorry about that. B. On 4 Nov 98, at 18:24, Bob Bamford wrote: > Hmmmm.... > > Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:54:41 -0800 (PST) > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:57:08 -0500 (EST) > From: merope > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Late breaking news! > > > Deep Throat chimes in to add: don't be surprised if the RW sysadmin makes > a new personnel announcement in the near future! Especially don't be > surprised if its the former USGW NC. > > -Teresa Lindquist > merope@access.digex.net > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:24:12 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104182412.007d2b40@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hmmmm.... Return-Path: Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:54:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:57:08 -0500 (EST) From: merope Old-To: USGENWEB-ALL Old-cc: ksgen-l@rootsquest.com Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Late breaking news! Resent-Message-ID: <"ra8VCD.A.4YG.g0MQ2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11111 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com An anonymous source shares with me that that GenConnect, the site used by many USGW CCs for their query pages, will soon be affiliating formally with Rootsweb, the world famous genealogical data cooperative that is also home to many of USGW's county pages and archived files. According to the source, the three-member team that currently manages GenConnect will get more technical support and new GenConnect features in exchange for a commitment to leave the popular site on RW permanently. Deep Throat chimes in to add: don't be surprised if the RW sysadmin makes a new personnel announcement in the near future! Especially don't be surprised if its the former USGW NC. -Teresa Lindquist merope@access.digex.net ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:12:51 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105181251.007a4b60@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:42 PM 11/5/98 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: >At 08:44 AM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >>The only other thing that I might add is that I wonder if we need to give >>NT a chance at this time to withdraw her resignation. I am beginning to >>feel a little bit manipulated here - I think that we should just go ahead >>at #2 and begin taking nominations on the board list for an interim NC, >>after of course, we send NT a nice letter thanking her for her efforts and >>wishing her the best in any new endeavors. >> >>Beth >I would agree with Beth on this. Let's get past the NT situation and >on with the future. > The screaming memees will flog us to death. Another few (48) hours won't hurt and accepting nominations on the board list only, as i said previously, makes it look like a coup. We could start a nomination procedure here. Bob Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:42:38 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981105164238.00798750@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >I like Bob's time table with the addition of Ginger's 48 hours between >nomination and vote. > >The only other thing that I might add is that I wonder if we need to give >NT a chance at this time to withdraw her resignation. I am beginning to >feel a little bit manipulated here - I think that we should just go ahead >at #2 and begin taking nominations on the board list for an interim NC, >after of course, we send NT a nice letter thanking her for her efforts and >wishing her the best in any new endeavors. > >Beth > I would agree with Beth on this. Let's get past the NT situation and on with the future. Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 08:44:44 -0500 From: "Beth" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811051343.IAA14219@dexter.ionia-mi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like Bob's time table with the addition of Ginger's 48 hours between nomination and vote. The only other thing that I might add is that I wonder if we need to give NT a chance at this time to withdraw her resignation. I am beginning to feel a little bit manipulated here - I think that we should just go ahead at #2 and begin taking nominations on the board list for an interim NC, after of course, we send NT a nice letter thanking her for her efforts and wishing her the best in any new endeavors. Beth ---------- > From: FEATHER2s@aol.com > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal > Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 7:30 AM > > > 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member > > function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an > > election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, > > CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) > > > > 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 > Hrs) > > Bob's suggested sequence and timing looks good to me, with one exception. I > think we need to allow 48 hours between nominations and voting to avoid the > screamers saying we violated Article VIII, Sec. 3, which requires 48 hours > advance announcement for "major issues" to allow time for input from members. > > I have a feeling if we don't do this, we will be targeted for a whole new > round of criticism. > > Ginger > Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:10:09 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105181009.007cd990@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:06 PM 11/5/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >She's had three days to reconsider and withdraw her resignation. I don't >see where we have any need to pursue her further and that we should simply >accept her resignation and move on. I like Bob's time frame except I would >skip #1 and substitute a Motion to accept her resignation and move the >closing of nominations for Acting NC up to noon on 11/7 thus giving the 48 >hours until 11/9. Ahh but leaving in #1. is more politically correct :>) I doubt that she will change her mind, but we owe it to the people who elected her to try. Bob > >>From: Bob Bamford >>> 1. A motion on board-l requesting that Nancy withdraw her resignation by >>> noon CST Saturday Nov. 7 (48 hrs) >>> >>> 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member >>> function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an >>> election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, >>> CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) >>> >>> 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 >Hrs) >>> >>> 4. Motion here, after 4 above, to continue to conduct business here, with >>> only formal motions and voting on board-l commencing midnight CST Nov 9 >>> >>> The dates are flexible but time periods should be as above to expedite >>> matters. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>USGenWeb Census Project >>http://www.usgenweb.org/ >>http://www.usgenweb.com/ >>http://www.usgenweb.net/ >> >> >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 06:49:43 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106064943.008946b0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re:Is this correct? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:41 PM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote: I appreciate everyone who took the time to reiterate or clarify their position for me. I guess I am more comfortable now with asking NT if she would like to join us here, knowing that the point will be one of exploring reconciliation, but not caving in. Do you think we should have someone who can serve as a spokesperson, or maybe do a realtime meeting with her, if she is interested in reinstating herself? It would appear that the board wants to work TOGETHER for the good of the project, but that we have some philosphical differences with NT have that should be accomplished. Perhaps, if we could meet together and just let our feelings be known to one another, we could work things out. I understand now that we need to give it one last attempt. Thanks for everyone's indulgence! Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:28:27 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981105102827.007c11b0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 11/5/98 -0500, Beth wrote: >I like Bob's time table with the addition of Ginger's 48 hours between >nomination and vote. > >The only other thing that I might add is that I wonder if we need to give >NT a chance at this time to withdraw her resignation. I am beginning to >feel a little bit manipulated here - I think that we should just go ahead >at #2 and begin taking nominations on the board list for an interim NC, >after of course, we send NT a nice letter thanking her for her efforts and >wishing her the best in any new endeavors. > As much as i would like to expedite matters that smells like a coup. Go slowly, be sure she really wants out or face -ALL the criticism :>) Bob Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:38:46 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811050643.WAA15472@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] NT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have to agree with Kay here. It seemed like every time I posted an opinion that I had the feeling that she was taking it as an attack. Now I am not saying that sometimes when I post it may sound like I am attacking when I am not -- something I have to learn to do -- not type like I am thinking, LOL. Just color me rough around the edges B. On 4 Nov 98, at 18:32, Kay Mason wrote: > I have a question.. if she is going to feel that we are attacking her if > we disagree with her.. how are we going to communicate with her? > > Kay ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:25:21 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <856b5063.364071e1@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/98 7:19:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, hen1@idt.net writes: > First order of business, I think we do need to appoint > someone to be "in charge" until either NT comes back > or we hold a special election. Who wants to volunteer for > acting NC? > > I think up until now, everyone has been afraid to step on toes, > but apparently it happened anyway because we tried "too" hard and it made us > look ineffectual. > > As always, I think frank and open discussion is needed about our plans, > the by-laws and catching up on old business that has > been waiting in the wings. > > The Board is not dead! Long live the Board Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:05:32 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104170532.03bf7ae0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:35 AM 11/4/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Our other big election problem is the holidays.. she sure picked a bad >time to do this.. We need to have the election after the first of the >year.. and I agree that 2 weeks for voting ought to be plenty.. even >1 week might work. 2 weeks sounds good to me... a month was definitely too long >I believe that NT wants us to beg her to come back and to promise >her that we will do anything that she wants. I'm not going to.. Nor am I! >It seems to me that the only way she could stay on would be if she >would agree to an "assistant NC" who did all the work(called for >votes..ran meeting, etc). and that is a BAD precedent ..one I don't >think we want to start.. Agreed Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:38:39 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/4/98 4:35:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, betsym@1starnet.com writes: > I suggest that Kay email NT and tell her > that everyone is here except Debbie and Terry and explain Terry's absence. > If she still chooses not to join us, then we proceed. > > Betsy This sounds good to me. If there aren't "enough" of us present as is now, then so be it! Ginger Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:32:14 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811050233.SAA04007@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] NT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a question.. if she is going to feel that we are attacking her if we disagree with her.. how are we going to communicate with her? Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:10:15 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811072311.PAA13915@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Yes, but lets get the other stuff done first.. like accepting NTs resignation and appointing someone.. Kay Date forwarded: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:06:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Bridgett Smith" Date sent: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:05:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Priority: normal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > I agree, should a motion be put on the BL list? > > Bridgett > > On 7 Nov 98, at 18:00, FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: > > > Another excellent suggestion! As a CC Rep, I would be very content to > > just lurk, but would like to see what's being said there without having to > > rely on info from friends. With Terry temporarily "out of commission" I'm > > at an even bigger loss and feel an even bigger need to know. > > > > Ginger > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > > Bridgett Smith > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:07:29 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811042211.OAA14458@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting and/or temp NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Kay, Sorry, I was half awake when I wrote that message. I am on the bitch list, but no one knows it as I told everyone I unsubbed when I went out of town for 11 days. A few, very few, people started their whining about folks being on staff of RW, and needless to say the project people seem to get slammed a time or two, or whenever there is no one else to ridicule. I was just thinking out loud, and probably should not have even posted the message, that if the person who serves as temp NC was not affiliated with either sectors that folks just wouldn't have anything to holler about. That's all If I hurt anyone's feelings I am truly sorry. I like Yvonne's idea, tho, of having Trey serve as Temp. Bridgett On 4 Nov 98, at 12:09, Kay Mason wrote: > Please explain this to me.. > > Thanks, > > Kay > > Date forwarded: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:47:12 -0800 (PST) > From: "Bridgett Smith" > Date sent: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:46:47 -0800 > Priority: normal > Subject: [Campaign98-L] Acting and/or temp NC > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > > Besides not having aspirations to being NC, I also think that it might > > be less upsetting for "some" folks if the acting NC not be affliated > > with Rootsweb and/or any of the Special Projects. At least they can't > > claim that the acting NC has a conflict of interest. Let's try to keep > > this as squeeky clean as we can ::sigh:: > > > > B. > > Bridgett Smith > > SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > > > > bascs@wizard.com > > > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > > > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project > http://www.usgenweb.org/ > http://www.usgenweb.com/ > http://www.usgenweb.net/ > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:22:52 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811042224.OAA10100@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I think that the folks who would register would be the ones we hear from all the time.. Everyone in the project must have a vote.. BTW, in the last election, most votes were either cast the first few days of July, or at the last minute.. Kay Date forwarded: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Bridgett Smith" Date sent: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:08:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Priority: normal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > I like this idea, so those that don't care, and don't want to be > bothered about getting extra pieces of mail in their mailbox can go > continue doing so. EXCEPT, I have an idea that the only folks that > would register would be those that we hear from constantly anyways? > I could be wrong. > > B. > > On 4 Nov 98, at 15:29, Bob Bamford wrote: > > > At 09:35 AM 11/4/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: > > > > HEY!!! How about voter registration? If you don't register you can't vote! > > > > This will get the list down, provide a facility for cross checking > > name/e-mail etc. for duplicates etc. > > > > Just shooting from the hip. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > Bridgett Smith > SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > > bascs@wizard.com > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:46:17 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/98 2:43:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, betsym@1starnet.com writes: > Okay, so can Ginger withdraw her motion, state the reason for withdrawing, > and state a new motion to regretfully accept her resignation I sent a "withdraw" note to board-l a few minutes ago... I can submit a motion to regretfully accept now, though Ginger Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 07:30:41 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <499a1cf6.36419a71@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > 2. Assuming she does not: Motions on board list nominating a board member > function as Acting NC, who will coordinte USGW activities through an > election to be held and finalized by 1/14/99. Nominations close at Noon, > CST Nov. 8 (24 hrs) > > 3. Vote on board-l for Acting NC to be completed by Noon, CST Nov. 9 (24 Hrs) Bob's suggested sequence and timing looks good to me, with one exception. I think we need to allow 48 hours between nominations and voting to avoid the screamers saying we violated Article VIII, Sec. 3, which requires 48 hours advance announcement for "major issues" to allow time for input from members. I have a feeling if we don't do this, we will be targeted for a whole new round of criticism. Ginger Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 17:09:09 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981107170909.01075790@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" First, let's get the acceptance of the resignation and the temp NC done. Has Bob agreed to serve or declined?? We need that settled as quickly as possible. Either Bob or Trey would do a great job! Betsy At 03:05 PM 11/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >I agree, should a motion be put on the BL list? > >Bridgett > >On 7 Nov 98, at 18:00, FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: > >> Another excellent suggestion! As a CC Rep, I would be very content to >> just lurk, but would like to see what's being said there without having to >> rely on info from friends. With Terry temporarily "out of commission" I'm >> at an even bigger loss and feel an even bigger need to know. >> >> Ginger > > >~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > >Bridgett Smith >TNGenWeb State Coordinator >http://www.tngenweb.org/ > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:31:56 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811081936.LAA20338@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] corrected posting to Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I can be temp. chair -- but not further. My hubby would absolutely divorce me if I got more involved . B. On 8 Nov 98, at 13:04, Holly Timm wrote: > This doesn't seem to have gotten to teh list first time, resending > > Corrected version.... removes the potential commitmants sentence and > corrects a minor typo in the first paragraph (..advised us the she.. > changed to ...advised us that she...) > > Somebody, Jan? Bridgett? Yvonne? volunteer to be the temporary chairman > until we can elect the temp NC please. The procedure is all laid out by > Bob to follow ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:02:54 -0700 From: "Debbie Wafford" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811090058.RAA19064@mars.aros.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] corrected posting to Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 8 Nov 98, at 13:30, Jan Craven wrote: > I'll post it. What the Hay! > Has anyone heard from Debbie at all??? > I really wish she would make her presence know. > My PRESENCE has been required in a snowy, muddy hole in what's left my front yard for the past 3 days. I have no water and an unknown leak that can't be found. Real life is just a bit more important right now. Debbie Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:22:47 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111222247.0094ca30@1starnet.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Politics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just received this message privately. Any suggestions on how to reply to him?? I guess I got this because I sent out the resignation acceptance. My first idea is to respond: Thank you for your input. Your thoughts have been noted and shared with the rest of the board members. The board is looking to put aside all differences so that we can work together to make this project the best that it can be with the help of volunteers such as yourself. Betsy >From: "Jim Petermann" >To: >Cc: "Corky Knebel" >Subject: Politics >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:32:27 -0800 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 > >Ms. Mills, I am a volunteer County Coordinator for one of >the smallest counties in one of the least populated states >(Wibaux County, Montana). > >The reason I tell you that is to make it clear that my CC >duties do not take up a vast amount of my time. Even so, I >always feel put out when I have to devote any time to >reading about petty politics and organizational strife >amongst those have gotten themselves anointed to run things, >or to trying to figure out who's actually in charge and >who's been excommunicated. > >I'm old enough to have learned that all organizations will >have their petty internal battles and struggles. I'm also >old enough to have observed that these battles are almost >always unnecessary, and usually the result of someone's ego >getting in the way of someone else's territorial claims. > >So I'm writing to ask you folks at the top of the heap to >get your acts together and stop eroding the patience of the >worker bees here at the bottom. This ain't that big a deal, >folks. It's a volunteer organization to do genealogy. Build >your empire and your reputations somewhere else. Or you'll >lose the volunteers who actually run things; then you can >hold lots of board meetings and blame each other all over >again. > >Jim Petermann > > > > > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:31:10 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981112053110.042d08e0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Politics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think we need to also convey that there is far less dissension than the yammering on ALL suggests... that in fact even when there were problems on the Board, it was never like ALL implied. At 10:22 PM 11/11/1998 -0600, you wrote: >I just received this message privately. Any suggestions on how to reply to >him?? I guess I got this because I sent out the resignation acceptance. > >My first idea is to respond: >Thank you for your input. Your thoughts have been noted and shared with >the rest of the board members. The board is looking to put aside all >differences so that we can work together to make this project the best that >it can be with the help of volunteers such as yourself. > >Betsy > > > >>From: "Jim Petermann" >>To: >>Cc: "Corky Knebel" >>Subject: Politics >>Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:32:27 -0800 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >> >>Ms. Mills, I am a volunteer County Coordinator for one of >>the smallest counties in one of the least populated states >>(Wibaux County, Montana). >> >>The reason I tell you that is to make it clear that my CC >>duties do not take up a vast amount of my time. Even so, I >>always feel put out when I have to devote any time to >>reading about petty politics and organizational strife >>amongst those have gotten themselves anointed to run things, >>or to trying to figure out who's actually in charge and >>who's been excommunicated. >> >>I'm old enough to have learned that all organizations will >>have their petty internal battles and struggles. I'm also >>old enough to have observed that these battles are almost >>always unnecessary, and usually the result of someone's ego >>getting in the way of someone else's territorial claims. >> >>So I'm writing to ask you folks at the top of the heap to >>get your acts together and stop eroding the patience of the >>worker bees here at the bottom. This ain't that big a deal, >>folks. It's a volunteer organization to do genealogy. Build >>your empire and your reputations somewhere else. Or you'll >>lose the volunteers who actually run things; then you can >>hold lots of board meetings and blame each other all over >>again. >> >>Jim Petermann >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:31:26 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811062233.OAA11436@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] NTs resignation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT We need to write an announcement to send to the SC and ALL lists regarding NTs decision not to recind her resignation. We then need to select an *acting* NC. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:48:09 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36437CA9.E39BF64F@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] (Fwd) Re: Can we talk? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not me...I am just getting over a month long bout with migraines! Whew! But will be glad to help in any other way! Bridgett Smith wrote: > > Okay, that does it then I guess. Now who is up to having their > stomach tied in knots and continual headaches > > Trey? Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 20:30:56 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981107203056.0117db7c@txcyber.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy guys, I've finished reading my mail for tonight and I agree with all of you for today. On the subject of Acting National Coordinator. I couple of people have mention my name. If no one else wants it I will relunctantly agree. My only thoughts are that I think someone that woeks at home or doesnt have to work or is retired might be a better choice to keep things moving along sincce we are short on time. I work 9-5 M-F and do all of my stuff in the evenings. I do have good support from the cc's in Texas and a few of them seem to like to defend me on the ALL list from time to time so I'm not really worried about the heat. I do not have plans to pursue the NC position in the election. Being the SC for Texas is kinda like being a NC anyway. I think that Kay is a good mover and shaker and we good for the acting NC. Having done the last election I think that she is the best choice to see after this one so I dont know if she would have the time or energy to do both but I would like to ask. Kay you wanna do both? So if Kay or anyone else doesnt want it than I will do it. I think once we pick who we want to appoint that we ought to just go ahead and vote that person as chair and do the things Bob laid out ASAP 1. Go to the board list, elect a chairman (move, second, vote) in the abscence of the chair (can be anybody) vote to elect. 2. Someone make a motion to accept resignation, second and vote to accept. 3. Then and only then make the annoucement. Trey Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:08:05 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981106230805.00a2f920@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:30 PM 11/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >Howdy guys, > >I've finished reading my mail for tonight and I agree with all of you for >today. > >On the subject of Acting National Coordinator. I couple of people have >mention my name. Trey, You would have my support. You seem to be a voice of reason; although I agree that Kay would also be a good choice. Being an easterner, I am signing off for tonight. Please accept my support of either of these two. If it turns out to be a "hotly contested" (LOL) issue, I'll add my .02 in the AM. Night all! Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:26:45 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Either Trey or Kay are fine with me, too. Both level-headed! Am also one of those 'Easterners' so am also calling it 'quits' for the night. Gotta be wide awake to see John Glenn & Co. return tomorrow, hopefully in our 'back yard' instead of California! Ginger Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:16:53 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9afeaa8c.3644aab5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, > I think Holly's idea is good. Bob surely has more free time than Trey does > and I think the would both do a good job. > I have been working on the archives all day and wondering if I had lost > my membership in this exclusive club, too! > Where is everyone! > Bob, would you be willing? Know you are able! > Jan This sounds good to me, if Bob is willing. We do need to get this "over with" so we can actually DO something (for a change ) Ginger Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:01:03 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3644B50F.247CB945@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who needs to start the process??? Trey wrote: I think once we pick who we want to appoint that we ought to just go ahead and vote that person as chair and do the things Bob laid out ASAP 1. Go to the board list, elect a chairman (move, second, vote) in the abscence of the chair (can be anybody) vote to elect. 2. Someone make a motion to accept resignation, second and vote to accept. 3. Then and only then make the annoucement. Trey Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 21:33:03 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <283fb782.364502df@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement - reworded Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I agree with Jan and Bob. The "proper" thing would be to simply send it to the SC list for dispersal. If others choose to forward it to the other list, so be it, but it should not be posted there by us. Ginger > I also think that the SC list is all we should send it to. > Jan > At 07:59 PM 11/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: > > >>Also, I don't see the reason to post to the -ALL list any > >>announcement. Post it to the SC list -- I am still curious as to which > >>SC's bother about passing on important information. Someone will > >>post it to the ALL list I am certain of it anyways. Our only obligation > >>is to post it to the SC list for dispersal. > >> > >I'll buy that, let the snarling dogs find their meat elsewhere :>) > > > >Bob Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 10:15:46 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981108101546.00a49720@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:04 AM 11/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 06:22 AM 11/8/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: Yes, I thought we had agreed to that yesterday, myself. >I thought 'maybe we should pull that out, it serves no purpose other than >to rationalize her action. If everyone else agrees, I have no problem with >taking it out. > I also wondered about the part that says in limbo. Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 13:42:41 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3645E621.539ACC4E@dc.jones.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No change to the proposed message. Someone mentioned getting all of us subbed to the SC List. Are we going to try and do that? Thanks! -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 14:03:16 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108140316.007bab80@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 11/8/98 -0500, Pam Reid wrote: >No change to the proposed message. Someone mentioned getting all of us >subbed to the SC List. Are we going to try and do that? > Probably a good idea but we have some with access, for now let's get our SH_T together. We'll all be reading enough mail in the next few days. Will someone keep us posted on significant SC list items? Bob Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:44:14 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981109124414.007d43c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:13 PM 11/8/98 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: >At 03:43 PM 11/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I'll be more than happy to post the note to the Board-L, -ALL and aske >>that it be forwarded to the SC list (I am not on that one). Is this all >>I need to say? >> >> >What did we decide to do about signing it? > After vote, unless their are a significant number of decenters, I would suggest: USGenWeb Project National Advisory Board This would go on the copy we send to the SC list. Believe we decided it would find it's way to the -ALL list on its own. Bob Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:36:54 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109173654.03b083f0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:44 PM 11/9/1998 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:13 PM 11/8/98 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: >>What did we decide to do about signing it? > >After vote, unless their are a significant number of decenters, I would >suggest: > >USGenWeb Project National Advisory Board > >This would go on the copy we send to the SC list. Believe we decided it >would find it's way to the -ALL list on its own. >Bob We could always send merope a copy by blind CC (just kidding!!!) Anyway, my mail seems to have more or elss sorted itself out although it came in all out of order, I did get, I think everythging that has gone to the Board list. Celia, are you counting, who haven't we heard from? Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:02:15 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981109180215.007b0560@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:36 PM 11/9/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: > >the Board list. Celia, are you counting, who haven't we heard from? > I hope she is, I count 9 so far. All affirmative. Note: Since I, in effect, acted as chair for this motion I will not be voting. Bob > >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 21:43:56 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981108214356.007d1950@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] corrected posting to Board-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:31 AM 11/8/98 -0800, Bridgett Smith wrote: >I can be temp. chair -- but not further. My hubby would absolutely >divorce me if I got more involved . > >B. Tell him if all goes well it will last for only 48 - 72 hrs. Bob Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:28:49 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981109182849.00a60100@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >We could always send merope a copy by blind CC (just kidding!!!) >Anyway, my mail seems to have more or elss sorted itself out although it >came in all out of order, I did get, I think everythging that has gone to >the Board list. Celia, are you counting, who haven't we heard from? > who is merope? Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki ://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:14:08 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981112201408.009339e0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Politics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:22 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >I just received this message privately. Any suggestions on how to reply to >him?? I guess I got this because I sent out the resignation acceptance. > >My first idea is to respond: >Thank you for your input. Your thoughts have been noted and shared with >the rest of the board members. The board is looking to put aside all >differences so that we can work together to make this project the best that >it can be with the help of volunteers such as yourself. > >Betsy > It certainly sounds "politically correct" to me! Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:07:02 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <364BDA95.F17CE070@dc.jones.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] A Couple of Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, it looks like Bob will be it ! Now for my questions. As acting Chairperson, does Betsy have a vote? (I think she should). Also, before we elect Bob temp. NC, should we appoint Mo's replacement so that the folks from that region won't scream that there were short a Board vote on the temp. NC thing? Personally, I don't feel that's necessary, but there will be some complaints. Do we care? I know we all want to get this done ASAP! But, wanted to throw these questions out since I know they will come up on our most favorite List as soon as things start to happen. -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:30:03 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041531.HAA02566@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Welcome Bridgett Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Wecome, You're joining.. Pam, Holly, Ginger, Jan, Trey, Yvonne, Bob, Betsy, Beth & I.. so far, We are missing Kim, Debbie and Terry. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:46:47 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811041751.JAA28148@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Acting and/or temp NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Besides not having aspirations to being NC, I also think that it might be less upsetting for "some" folks if the acting NC not be affliated with Rootsweb and/or any of the Special Projects. At least they can't claim that the acting NC has a conflict of interest. Let's try to keep this as squeeky clean as we can ::sigh:: B. Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:29:56 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981104152956.007d5100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:35 AM 11/4/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: HEY!!! How about voter registration? If you don't register you can't vote! This will get the list down, provide a facility for cross checking name/e-mail etc. for duplicates etc. Just shooting from the hip. Bob Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:29:43 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3640C747.72052767@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone has some very good ideas and are all leaders in their own way. I don't have a working knowledge of PP, although I do have the book So who do we have left that will accept the acting NC position? I would like to suggest nominating Trey. Any other thoughts? Take care, Yvonne in Burke, VA Vive la USGW! Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 17:10:26 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104171026.0402cc40@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Acting and/or temp NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Whoever becames acting NC also loses their vote don't they? If Trey or Betsy take it on that region would be down to one vote until the vacancy is filled. Although I am by no means actively seeking ANC (Acting NC) I would be willing to do it. I have absolutely no interest in ever being NC and I am not "employed" by Rootsweb although I am involved in the Census Project as webmaster. At 09:46 AM 11/4/1998 -0800, you wrote: >Besides not having aspirations to being NC, I also think that it might >be less upsetting for "some" folks if the acting NC not be affliated >with Rootsweb and/or any of the Special Projects. At least they can't >claim that the acting NC has a conflict of interest. Let's try to keep >this as squeeky clean as we can ::sigh:: > >B. >Bridgett Smith >SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > >bascs@wizard.com > >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > >TNGenWeb State Coordinator >http://www.tngenweb.org/ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:19:59 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104181959.009e6bd0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] well.. we're getting toward 0 hour Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:59 PM 11/4/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >So, if we don't hear from the other two.. do we call them? or do we >just go ahead and do what has to be done? Go ahead and do what has to be done... but best do it openly as a vote to accept the resignation on Board-L Then maybe we invite Kim and Debbie her to discuss the future??? Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:17:23 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981104211723.00a2da60@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] a suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can't believe how reading Betsy's suggestion caused my stomach to tie up in knots, but it did. In the last night we have probably worked together under less stress than at any other previous time. What I am wondering now, though, is if we could get someone to "facilitate" here, by which I basically mean see to it that everyone gets heard from, and keep track. I really would like to hear from everyone about this. > >At 07:21 PM 11/4/1998 -0600, you wrote: >>My thoughts are this, I believe for the good of the project, we must make a >>good faith effort to ask her to reconsider (and we are fast approaching the >>end of that good faith effort). I will not beg. I have offered her a hand >>in friendship as have several others on this board. If she chooses not to >>accept them, then it will have to be her loss. >> >>I think we let her know who is here and who isn't here and let her make up >>her own mind as to whether to join us or not. But do realize, that if she >>gets in here and we do anything that feels to her like we are "attacking" >>her (whether we are or not) will cause her to leave in a huff. She just >>has to realize that not everyone agrees with everyone else ALL the time! >>And I am not certain she understands that concept. >> >>Just MHO! >>Betsy >> Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:01:03 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811050302.TAA07532@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Hail Hail the gangs all here.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Welcome Debbie.. we're all here now, and we've been having a discussion.. and getting to know each other.. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 07:36:29 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811051538.HAA22921@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I just read a message from William Oliver (of NE) on the ALL list.. he suggests that perhaps we should tell what happened at 7pm.. I suggest that I post to the Board list this message.. ***. All 14 members of the USGW National Advisory Board are currently meeting in private session to discuss the resignation of the National Coordinator and other Board matters. *** of course this could be expanded..later Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ http://www.usgenweb.net/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:38:05 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20bc9b6b.3641c65d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Proposal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > As much as i would like to expedite matters that smells like a coup. > > Go slowly, be sure she really wants out or face -ALL the criticism :>) Good, sound logic here! Anybody seen today's "Daily Board Show" yet?? The 48 hour time frame issue has already been raised! Ginger Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:43:48 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Board-L Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > All 14 members of the USGW National Advisory Board are > currently meeting in private session to discuss the resignation of > the National Coordinator and other Board matters. I like this a lot! It says we're trying to do something, but doesn't leave room for any specific conjectures! Ginger