Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:22:53 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811231525.HAA18276@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-3 Grievance Committee Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT done, Kay Date forwarded: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:03:56 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:03:07 -0500 From: Bob Bamford Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-3 Grievance Committee To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > There being no further discussion. I respectfully request that Kay send her > motion to the board-l list for seconding and voting. > > Bob > ___________________________________________ > > I MOVE that the USGenWeb National Advisory Board, in > accordance with ARTICLE XIV, GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES > AND APPEALS PROCESS > > Section 1. All members of The USGenWeb Project have the right > to request that the Advisory > Board advise on issues related to grievances and appeals and to > mediate, if necessary. > > Section 2. Members should submit their grievance or appeal to one > or more of the board > representatives from their region. > > *** > Create a Committee to advise and mediate Grievances and > Appeals submitted to them. The 15 members of > the USGenWeb Advisory Board, with the National Coordinator > as an ex officio member, will serve on this committee as a > Committee of the Whole. > > The Grievance - Mediation Committee members will organize > themselves and select a Chair of this committee. They will make > any necessary rules to govern the advisory and mediation > process. The National Advisory Board as members of the > Grievance-Mediation Committee will forward all requests related to > grievances and mediation to the Grievance-Mediation committee for > action. > > In order to protect the privacy of the people involved in the > Grievance and Appeals process, the Grievance-Mediation > Committee will meet on a private mailing list. > > he Grievance-Mediation Committee will report the outcome of all > issues brought to them on Board-L. The USGW Members involved in > these issues will have the right to request that their names be > omitted from these reports. > ___________________________ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:48:55 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120074855.007c3140@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-3 Grievance Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We now have two things hanging fire: 1. The proposed motion to select Bill Oliver as the temporary replacement of Terry Davis (Awaiting formal letter from Terry) 2. An Election Committee Report from Kay While those items are awaiting resolution of items external to the board, I suggest we resolve this motion which was made and seconded at the time of Nancy's resignation. In as much as the motion is "technically" still on the floor. It is now open for discussion. Discussion period will be through midnight 11/22 (extendable if necessary.) MOTION 98-3 by: Kay Mason 2nd by: Ginger Cisewski I MOVE that the USGenWeb National Advisory Board, in accordance with ARTICLE XIV, GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES AND APPEALS PROCESS Section 1. All members of The USGenWeb Project have the right to request that the Advisory Board advise on issues related to grievances and appeals and to mediate, if necessary. Section 2. Members should submit their grievance or appeal to one or more of the board representatives from their region. *** Create a Committee to advise and mediate Grievances and Appeals submitted to them. The 15 members of the USGenWeb Advisory Board, with the National Coordinator as an ex officio member, will serve on this committee as a Committee of the Whole. The Grievance - Mediation Committee members will organize themselves and select a Chair of this committee. They will make any necessary rules to govern the advisory and mediation process. The National Advisory Board as members of the Grievance-Mediation Committee will forward all requests related to grievances and mediation to the Grievance-Mediation committee for action. In order to protect the privacy of the people involved in the Grievance and Appeals process, the Grievance-Mediation Committee will meet on a private mailing list. he Grievance-Mediation Committee will report the outcome of all issues brought to them on Board-L. The USGW Members involved in these issues will have the right to request that their names be omitted from these reports. ****** The way I see it working is: 1. USGW Members will send a complaint to their Board rep. 2. Board rep will immediately forward it to the Grievance committee for Action. (without discussion on Board-L ) 3. Board, sitting as committee, will discuss/mediate on private list 4. Parties to the dispute could be put on the "acceptx" for the list so that they could forward information to the committee 5. Board/committee would make a decision..and announce it on Board-L Kay Mason Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:59:57 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122205957.007bf660@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-3 Grievance Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have seen no discussion on this motion. If I see none by 5 AM EST. I will move it to the board list for a vote. MOTION 98-3 by: Kay Mason 2nd by: Ginger Cisewski I MOVE that the USGenWeb National Advisory Board, in accordance with ARTICLE XIV, GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES AND APPEALS PROCESS Section 1. All members of The USGenWeb Project have the right to request that the Advisory Board advise on issues related to grievances and appeals and to mediate, if necessary. Section 2. Members should submit their grievance or appeal to one or more of the board representatives from their region. *** Create a Committee to advise and mediate Grievances and Appeals submitted to them. The 15 members of the USGenWeb Advisory Board, with the National Coordinator as an ex officio member, will serve on this committee as a Committee of the Whole. The Grievance - Mediation Committee members will organize themselves and select a Chair of this committee. They will make any necessary rules to govern the advisory and mediation process. The National Advisory Board as members of the Grievance-Mediation Committee will forward all requests related to grievances and mediation to the Grievance-Mediation committee for action. In order to protect the privacy of the people involved in the Grievance and Appeals process, the Grievance-Mediation Committee will meet on a private mailing list. he Grievance-Mediation Committee will report the outcome of all issues brought to them on Board-L. The USGW Members involved in these issues will have the right to request that their names be omitted from these reports. ****** The way I see it working is: 1. USGW Members will send a complaint to their Board rep. 2. Board rep will immediately forward it to the Grievance committee for Action. (without discussion on Board-L ) 3. Board, sitting as committee, will discuss/mediate on private list 4. Parties to the dispute could be put on the "acceptx" for the list so that they could forward information to the committee 5. Board/committee would make a decision..and announce it on Board-L Kay Mason Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 06:03:07 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123060307.007b7ad0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-3 Grievance Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There being no further discussion. I respectfully request that Kay send her motion to the board-l list for seconding and voting. Bob ___________________________________________ I MOVE that the USGenWeb National Advisory Board, in accordance with ARTICLE XIV, GRIEVANCE PROCEDURES AND APPEALS PROCESS Section 1. All members of The USGenWeb Project have the right to request that the Advisory Board advise on issues related to grievances and appeals and to mediate, if necessary. Section 2. Members should submit their grievance or appeal to one or more of the board representatives from their region. *** Create a Committee to advise and mediate Grievances and Appeals submitted to them. The 15 members of the USGenWeb Advisory Board, with the National Coordinator as an ex officio member, will serve on this committee as a Committee of the Whole. The Grievance - Mediation Committee members will organize themselves and select a Chair of this committee. They will make any necessary rules to govern the advisory and mediation process. The National Advisory Board as members of the Grievance-Mediation Committee will forward all requests related to grievances and mediation to the Grievance-Mediation committee for action. In order to protect the privacy of the people involved in the Grievance and Appeals process, the Grievance-Mediation Committee will meet on a private mailing list. he Grievance-Mediation Committee will report the outcome of all issues brought to them on Board-L. The USGW Members involved in these issues will have the right to request that their names be omitted from these reports. ___________________________ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:13:51 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981125171351.042dfd60@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] -ALL Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" First... I've edited the subject line to take out the USGW-ALL portion as my mail program filters them into the ALL mailbox along with that avalanche At 08:40 AM 11/25/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of >secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from that State would have been >allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not have happened. Maybe there would >have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. Why can't each state select a >CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I truthfully feel as though a >balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want the States to work with us, then >we need to reciprocate. If a definite procedure and *place* for discussion of a grievance had existed then, perhaps that matter would have been handled much better. Meeting in executive committee, we can at need invite responses and comments from whatever parties might be appropriate to a specific grievance and preserve individual privacy. So far, all grievances have involved specific individuals and problems with or between individuals. We must use the utmost discretion and care in these situations so as not to further inflame things and to not have the enormous inflammatory commentating that accompanied prior issues. Frankly, the moment most any issue comes out on the ALL list, various people get out their flamethrowers and grenade launchers and have at it, from both or even several dircetions. The type of mediation you referred to is generally about *issues* such as health insurance, pay rates etc and rarely about specific people and their actions. I would certainly rather begin possibly erring on the side of too much discretion rather than not enough. *my thoughts* >Just thoughts, >Kathy > >Kay Mason wrote: > >> The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. >> There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should >> there be.. >> >> Kay >> >> Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) >> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 >> From: Pam Reid >> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] >> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people >> > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have >> > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections >> > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I >> > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this >> > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that >> > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? >> > >> > -- >> > Pam Reid in Virginia >> > >> > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >> > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >> > Branches and Roots >> > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >> > Tombstone Transcription Project >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >> > Gloucester County VAGenWeb >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html >> > >> > >> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >> > Content-Type: message/rfc822 >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > Content-Disposition: inline >> > >> > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) >> > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 >> > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) >> > Received: (from slist@localhost) >> > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; >> > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >> > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >> > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 >> > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill >> > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> >> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 >> > From: Margot Hill >> > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com >> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > Old-To: USGenweb List , terryd13@bellsouth.net, >> > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, >> > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 >> > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 >> > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> > Precedence: list >> > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >> > >> > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) >> > >> > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the board on the >> > handling of grievances. >> > >> > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I believe that >> > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process can be >> > impartial. >> > >> > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation of the >> > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to say that >> > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard >> > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the board is >> > not including differing points of view. >> > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be ultimately a >> > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help in any way >> > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the committees of >> > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a better project. >> > >> > Margot Hill >> > mmhill@mtnia.com >> > CC in Kansas and Iowa >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >> > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >> > >> > >> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- >> > >> >> USGenWeb Census Project >> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >> http://www.usgenweb.com/census >> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > > >-- > >Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ >~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:20:42 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125182042.007c3320@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] -ALL Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:13 PM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: Holly, did Kathy's remarks appear on the ALL List??? Bob >First... I've edited the subject line to take out the USGW-ALL portion as >my mail program filters them into the ALL mailbox along with that avalanche > > > >At 08:40 AM 11/25/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >>Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of >>secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from >that State would have been >>allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not >have happened. Maybe there would >>have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. >Why can't each state select a >>CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I >truthfully feel as though a >>balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want >the States to work with us, then >>we need to reciprocate. > >If a definite procedure and *place* for discussion of a grievance had >existed then, perhaps that matter would have been handled much better. >Meeting in executive committee, we can at need invite responses and >comments from whatever parties might be appropriate to a specific grievance >and preserve individual privacy. So far, all grievances have involved >specific individuals and problems with or between individuals. We must use >the utmost discretion and care in these situations so as not to further >inflame things and to not have the enormous inflammatory commentating that >accompanied prior issues. Frankly, the moment most any issue comes out on >the ALL list, various people get out their flamethrowers and grenade >launchers and have at it, from both or even several dircetions. The type of >mediation you referred to is generally about *issues* such as health >insurance, pay rates etc and rarely about specific people and their >actions. I would certainly rather begin possibly erring on the side of too >much discretion rather than not enough. > >*my thoughts* > >>Just thoughts, >>Kathy >> >>Kay Mason wrote: >> >>> The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. >>> There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should >>> there be.. >>> >>> Kay >>> >>> Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) >>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 >>> From: Pam Reid >>> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee >for Greivances Montion 98-3] >>> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>> Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>> Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>> >>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> > >>> > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people >>> > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have >>> > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections >>> > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I >>> > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this >>> > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that >>> > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Pam Reid in Virginia >>> > >>> > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >>> > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >>> > Branches and Roots >>> > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >>> > Tombstone Transcription Project >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >>> > Gloucester County VAGenWeb >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >>> > Content-Type: message/rfc822 >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> > Content-Disposition: inline >>> > >>> > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) >>> > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 >>> > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) >>> > Received: (from slist@localhost) >>> > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; >>> > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >>> > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >>> > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 >>> > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill >>> > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> >>> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 >>> > From: Margot Hill >>> > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com >>> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >>> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >>> > Old-To: USGenweb List , >terryd13@bellsouth.net, >>> > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, >>> > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 >>> > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >>> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>> > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>> > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 >>> > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>> > Precedence: list >>> > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >>> > >>> > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) >>> > >>> > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the >board on the >>> > handling of grievances. >>> > >>> > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I >believe that >>> > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process >can be >>> > impartial. >>> > >>> > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation >of the >>> > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to >say that >>> > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard >>> > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the >board is >>> > not including differing points of view. >>> > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be >ultimately a >>> > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help >in any way >>> > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the >committees of >>> > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a >better project. >>> > >>> > Margot Hill >>> > mmhill@mtnia.com >>> > CC in Kansas and Iowa >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >>> > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >>> > >>> > >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- >>> > >>> >>> USGenWeb Census Project >>> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>> http://www.usgenweb.com/census >>> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ >>~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:51:30 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981125185130.0084e3a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] -ALL Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:20 PM 11/25/1998 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:13 PM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Holly, did Kathy's remarks appear on the ALL List??? No, this is from the thread on our Campaign98 list with the subject line: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] anytime someone does this with a FWD on our list my filter tosses it into the ALL mailbox and I almost didn't notice these (wasn't gonna spoil my appetite before dinner) >Bob > >>First... I've edited the subject line to take out the USGW-ALL portion as >>my mail program filters them into the ALL mailbox along with that avalanche >> >> >> >>At 08:40 AM 11/25/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >>>Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of >>>secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from >>that State would have been >>>allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not >>have happened. Maybe there would >>>have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. >>Why can't each state select a >>>CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I >>truthfully feel as though a >>>balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want >>the States to work with us, then >>>we need to reciprocate. >> >>If a definite procedure and *place* for discussion of a grievance had >>existed then, perhaps that matter would have been handled much better. >>Meeting in executive committee, we can at need invite responses and >>comments from whatever parties might be appropriate to a specific grievance >>and preserve individual privacy. So far, all grievances have involved >>specific individuals and problems with or between individuals. We must use >>the utmost discretion and care in these situations so as not to further >>inflame things and to not have the enormous inflammatory commentating that >>accompanied prior issues. Frankly, the moment most any issue comes out on >>the ALL list, various people get out their flamethrowers and grenade >>launchers and have at it, from both or even several dircetions. The type of >>mediation you referred to is generally about *issues* such as health >>insurance, pay rates etc and rarely about specific people and their >>actions. I would certainly rather begin possibly erring on the side of too >>much discretion rather than not enough. >> >>*my thoughts* >> >>>Just thoughts, >>>Kathy >>> >>>Kay Mason wrote: >>> >>>> The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. >>>> There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should >>>> there be.. >>>> >>>> Kay >>>> >>>> Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) >>>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 >>>> From: Pam Reid >>>> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee >>for Greivances Montion 98-3] >>>> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >>>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>> > >>>> > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people >>>> > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have >>>> > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections >>>> > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I >>>> > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this >>>> > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that >>>> > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Pam Reid in Virginia >>>> > >>>> > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >>>> > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >>>> > Branches and Roots >>>> > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >>>> > Tombstone Transcription Project >>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >>>> > Gloucester County VAGenWeb >>>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >>>> > Content-Type: message/rfc822 >>>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>> > Content-Disposition: inline >>>> > >>>> > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) >>>> > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 >>>> > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) >>>> > Received: (from slist@localhost) >>>> > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; >>>> > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >>>> > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >>>> > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 >>>> > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill >>>> > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> >>>> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 >>>> > From: Margot Hill >>>> > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com >>>> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >>>> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>> > Old-To: USGenweb List , >>terryd13@bellsouth.net, >>>> > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, >>>> > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net >>>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>> > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 >>>> > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >>>> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>>> > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>>> > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 >>>> > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >>>> > Precedence: list >>>> > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com >>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >>x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >>>> > >>>> > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) >>>> > >>>> > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the >>board on the >>>> > handling of grievances. >>>> > >>>> > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I >>believe that >>>> > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process >>can be >>>> > impartial. >>>> > >>>> > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation >>of the >>>> > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to >>say that >>>> > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard >>>> > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the >>board is >>>> > not including differing points of view. >>>> > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be >>ultimately a >>>> > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help >>in any way >>>> > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the >>committees of >>>> > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a >>better project. >>>> > >>>> > Margot Hill >>>> > mmhill@mtnia.com >>>> > CC in Kansas and Iowa >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >>>> > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- >>>> > >>>> >>>> USGenWeb Census Project >>>> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >>>> http://www.usgenweb.com/census >>>> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ >>>~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>Holly Timm >>SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:01:18 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365CB667.B497B423@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] -ALL Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would not post anything from this list to the ALL list, I have not told anyone about this list, nor would I do such a thing. If I have questions and I have had, I will ask them right here. I may not see things exactly like some would like for me to, but I am honorable, honest, and loyal. I have never given you any reason to doubt that. I can tell you right up front I would have never accused anyone of what has just taken place with out asking the person up front first. I never heard Teresa's name prior to T & C having her take care of my pages. But you all seem to have a problem with it. I am not Maureen, I won't fight with you, but I am trying to form an opinion on how to vote on something. I came on board in the middle of several issues and you expect me to know what is going on. Sorry but I don't and I don't have a problem saying so. I should think you would try to help me catch up. Kathy Bob Bamford wrote: > At 05:13 PM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: > > Holly, did Kathy's remarks appear on the ALL List??? > > Bob > > >First... I've edited the subject line to take out the USGW-ALL portion as > >my mail program filters them into the ALL mailbox along with that avalanche > > > > > > > >At 08:40 AM 11/25/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > >>Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of > >>secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from > >that State would have been > >>allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not > >have happened. Maybe there would > >>have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. > >Why can't each state select a > >>CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I > >truthfully feel as though a > >>balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want > >the States to work with us, then > >>we need to reciprocate. > > > >If a definite procedure and *place* for discussion of a grievance had > >existed then, perhaps that matter would have been handled much better. > >Meeting in executive committee, we can at need invite responses and > >comments from whatever parties might be appropriate to a specific grievance > >and preserve individual privacy. So far, all grievances have involved > >specific individuals and problems with or between individuals. We must use > >the utmost discretion and care in these situations so as not to further > >inflame things and to not have the enormous inflammatory commentating that > >accompanied prior issues. Frankly, the moment most any issue comes out on > >the ALL list, various people get out their flamethrowers and grenade > >launchers and have at it, from both or even several dircetions. The type of > >mediation you referred to is generally about *issues* such as health > >insurance, pay rates etc and rarely about specific people and their > >actions. I would certainly rather begin possibly erring on the side of too > >much discretion rather than not enough. > > > >*my thoughts* > > > >>Just thoughts, > >>Kathy > >> > >>Kay Mason wrote: > >> > >>> The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. > >>> There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should > >>> there be.. > >>> > >>> Kay > >>> > >>> Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) > >>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 > >>> From: Pam Reid > >>> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee > >for Greivances Montion 98-3] > >>> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >>> Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >>> Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >>> > >>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>> > > >>> > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people > >>> > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have > >>> > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections > >>> > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I > >>> > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this > >>> > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that > >>> > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Pam Reid in Virginia > >>> > > >>> > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com > >>> > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) > >>> > Branches and Roots > >>> > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid > >>> > Tombstone Transcription Project > >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery > >>> > Gloucester County VAGenWeb > >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > >>> > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>> > Content-Disposition: inline > >>> > > >>> > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) > >>> > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 > >>> > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) > >>> > Received: (from slist@localhost) > >>> > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; > >>> > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > >>> > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > >>> > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 > >>> > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill > >>> > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> > >>> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 > >>> > From: Margot Hill > >>> > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com > >>> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > >>> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>> > Old-To: USGenweb List , > >terryd13@bellsouth.net, > >>> > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, > >>> > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net > >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>> > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 > >>> > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> > >>> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > >>> > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > >>> > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 > >>> > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > >>> > Precedence: list > >>> > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; > >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > >>> > > >>> > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) > >>> > > >>> > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the > >board on the > >>> > handling of grievances. > >>> > > >>> > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I > >believe that > >>> > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process > >can be > >>> > impartial. > >>> > > >>> > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation > >of the > >>> > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to > >say that > >>> > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard > >>> > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the > >board is > >>> > not including differing points of view. > >>> > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be > >ultimately a > >>> > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help > >in any way > >>> > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the > >committees of > >>> > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a > >better project. > >>> > > >>> > Margot Hill > >>> > mmhill@mtnia.com > >>> > CC in Kansas and Iowa > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > >>> > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- > >>> > > >>> > >>> USGenWeb Census Project > >>> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > >>> http://www.usgenweb.com/census > >>> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ > >>~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus > >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > >> > >> > >Holly Timm > >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > > > -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list,send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:06:43 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981126060643.007c3100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] -ALL Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:01 PM 11/25/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: Kathy, I didn't think you posted anything on the all list. I asked Holly if they appeared there. We have seen Teresa come up with information that indicates that someone may have access to this list. I'm sorry my wording wasn't more explicit. I'm terribly sorry for the misunderstanding. Bob >I would not post anything from this list to the ALL list, I have not told anyone about this list, >nor would I do such a thing. If I have questions and I have had, I will ask them right here. I may >not see things exactly like some would like for me to, but I am honorable, honest, and loyal. I have >never given you any reason to doubt that. I can tell you right up front I would have never accused >anyone of what has just taken place with out asking the person up front first. >I never heard Teresa's name prior to T & C having her take care of my pages. But you all seem to >have a problem with it. I am not Maureen, I won't fight with you, but I am trying to form an opinion >on how to vote on something. I came on board in the middle of several issues and you expect me to >know what is going on. Sorry but I don't and I don't have a problem saying so. I should think you >would try to help me catch up. >Kathy > >Bob Bamford wrote: > >> At 05:13 PM 11/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Holly, did Kathy's remarks appear on the ALL List??? >> >> Bob >> >> >First... I've edited the subject line to take out the USGW-ALL portion as >> >my mail program filters them into the ALL mailbox along with that avalanche >> > >> > >> > >> >At 08:40 AM 11/25/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >> >>Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of >> >>secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from >> >that State would have been >> >>allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not >> >have happened. Maybe there would >> >>have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. >> >Why can't each state select a >> >>CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I >> >truthfully feel as though a >> >>balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want >> >the States to work with us, then >> >>we need to reciprocate. >> > >> >If a definite procedure and *place* for discussion of a grievance had >> >existed then, perhaps that matter would have been handled much better. >> >Meeting in executive committee, we can at need invite responses and >> >comments from whatever parties might be appropriate to a specific grievance >> >and preserve individual privacy. So far, all grievances have involved >> >specific individuals and problems with or between individuals. We must use >> >the utmost discretion and care in these situations so as not to further >> >inflame things and to not have the enormous inflammatory commentating that >> >accompanied prior issues. Frankly, the moment most any issue comes out on >> >the ALL list, various people get out their flamethrowers and grenade >> >launchers and have at it, from both or even several dircetions. The type of >> >mediation you referred to is generally about *issues* such as health >> >insurance, pay rates etc and rarely about specific people and their >> >actions. I would certainly rather begin possibly erring on the side of too >> >much discretion rather than not enough. >> > >> >*my thoughts* >> > >> >>Just thoughts, >> >>Kathy >> >> >> >>Kay Mason wrote: >> >> >> >>> The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. >> >>> There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should >> >>> there be.. >> >>> >> >>> Kay >> >>> >> >>> Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) >> >>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 >> >>> From: Pam Reid >> >>> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee >> >for Greivances Montion 98-3] >> >>> To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> >> >>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>> > >> >>> > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people >> >>> > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have >> >>> > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections >> >>> > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I >> >>> > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this >> >>> > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that >> >>> > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Pam Reid in Virginia >> >>> > >> >>> > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com >> >>> > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) >> >>> > Branches and Roots >> >>> > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid >> >>> > Tombstone Transcription Project >> >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery >> >>> > Gloucester County VAGenWeb >> >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B >> >>> > Content-Type: message/rfc822 >> >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>> > Content-Disposition: inline >> >>> > >> >>> > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) >> >>> > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 >> >>> > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) >> >>> > Received: (from slist@localhost) >> >>> > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; >> >>> > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >> >>> > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) >> >>> > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 >> >>> > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill >> >>> > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> >> >>> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 >> >>> > From: Margot Hill >> >>> > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com >> >>> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >> >>> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >>> > Old-To: USGenweb List , >> >terryd13@bellsouth.net, >> >>> > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, >> >>> > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net >> >>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>> > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 >> >>> > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >> >>> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 >> >>> > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >> >>> > Precedence: list >> >>> > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com >> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >> >x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >> >>> > >> >>> > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) >> >>> > >> >>> > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the >> >board on the >> >>> > handling of grievances. >> >>> > >> >>> > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I >> >believe that >> >>> > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process >> >can be >> >>> > impartial. >> >>> > >> >>> > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation >> >of the >> >>> > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to >> >say that >> >>> > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard >> >>> > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the >> >board is >> >>> > not including differing points of view. >> >>> > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be >> >ultimately a >> >>> > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help >> >in any way >> >>> > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the >> >committees of >> >>> > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a >> >better project. >> >>> > >> >>> > Margot Hill >> >>> > mmhill@mtnia.com >> >>> > CC in Kansas and Iowa >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >> >>> > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> USGenWeb Census Project >> >>> http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >> >>> http://www.usgenweb.com/census >> >>> http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >> >> >>Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ >> >>~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Holly Timm >> >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative >> > >> > > > > >-- > >Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ >~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Missouri in the Civil War: >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html >USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html >The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html >Clay County Kansas: >http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html >Dickinson County Kansas: >http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html >NEW! 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Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:40:43 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365C16E6.3F25D8FD@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kay, I know that I am not going to be very popular with the Board about this but, I had 2 emails last night about allowing others outside of the Board to be a part of the Grievance Committee this being one of them. The other was from Teresa. She sent one to All and the other to my Regions CC-reps. I personally think this is just the beginning. Others will come forward. I believe this should be actively discussed. I for one agree that we do need to consider having a balance. My understanding of this Board is that it is an Advisory Board. I notice when Boeing, or General Motors or whomever, have differences with the Union, Mediators are called in and representatives from both sides come together to "Mediate". Why, in my ignorance, does this have to have the "cloak of secrecy"? Just look at what took place in KS. Perhaps if 1 or 2 CC's from that State would have been allowed to work with the Board the anger that is in place now would not have happened. Maybe there would have been an understanding as to why the Board chose to do what was done. Why can't each state select a CC or 2 to help in the event something like this takes place again. I truthfully feel as though a balance needs to be in place to alleviate any more problems. If we want the States to work with us, then we need to reciprocate. Just thoughts, Kathy Kay Mason wrote: > The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. > There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should > there be.. > > Kay > > Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) > Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 > From: Pam Reid > Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people > > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have > > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections > > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I > > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this > > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that > > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? > > > > -- > > Pam Reid in Virginia > > > > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com > > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) > > Branches and Roots > > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid > > Tombstone Transcription Project > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery > > Gloucester County VAGenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > > > > > > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) > > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 > > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; > > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 > > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill > > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> > > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 > > From: Margot Hill > > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Old-To: USGenweb List , terryd13@bellsouth.net, > > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, > > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 > > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> > > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 > > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > > > > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) > > > > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the board on the > > handling of grievances. > > > > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I believe that > > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process can be > > impartial. > > > > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation of the > > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to say that > > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard > > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the board is > > not including differing points of view. > > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be ultimately a > > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help in any way > > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the committees of > > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a better project. > > > > Margot Hill > > mmhill@mtnia.com > > CC in Kansas and Iowa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > > > > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- > > > > USGenWeb Census Project > http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > http://www.usgenweb.com/census > http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:17:10 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811251419.GAA02816@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should there be.. Kay Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 From: Pam Reid Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people > elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have > set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections > and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I > can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this > committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that > the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? > > -- > Pam Reid in Virginia > > mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com > LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) > Branches and Roots > http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid > Tombstone Transcription Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery > Gloucester County VAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html > > > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) > by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 > for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; > Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) > X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 > X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill > Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 > From: Margot Hill > Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Old-To: USGenweb List , terryd13@bellsouth.net, > FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, > holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 > Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 > X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > > Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) > > I would like to go on record against the current motion before the board on the > handling of grievances. > > I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I believe that > more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process can be > impartial. > > I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation of the > General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to say that > ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard > members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the board is > not including differing points of view. > (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be ultimately a > major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help in any way > I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the committees of > the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a better project. > > Margot Hill > mmhill@mtnia.com > CC in Kansas and Iowa > > > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B-- > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:54:56 -0500 From: Pam Reid To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365B8DA0.3773C982@dc.jones.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Board is made up of CCs, SCs and SP people. These are the people elected to represent USGW at large. For the committees that we have set up or have begun to set up, non-Board members are serving (Elections and By-Laws). But, the grievance situation is such a private one that I can't see the benefit of adding any additional members to this committee. Maybe we should withdraw the motion and make a policy that the Board handles grievances. Is there really need for a committee? -- Pam Reid in Virginia mailto:pamreid@dc.jones.com LISTOWNER: HEADEN & THORN(E) Branches and Roots http://www.geocities.com/~pamreid Tombstone Transcription Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery Gloucester County VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaglouce/glouces.html --------------42E2342C05C5E8CEF72FB67B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by dc.jones.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12049 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19081; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:01 -0800 (PST) X-ROUTED: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:42 -0600 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Mmhill Message-ID: <365B732A.36E8E0DC@mtnia.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:03:13 -0500 From: Margot Hill Reply-To: mmhill@mtnia.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGenweb List , terryd13@bellsouth.net, FEATHER2s@aol.com, drwaff@mail.aros.net, betsym@1starnet.com, holt@txcyber.com, kheidel@tri.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3 Resent-Message-ID: <"IyRDSD.A.1pE.kJ4W2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11976 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Dear Board Members and All List(send to all my reps and all) I would like to go on record against the current motion before the board on the handling of grievances. I believe the previous informal procedures have not worked well. I believe that more structure/definition is necessary to show that that the process can be impartial. I agree with Teresa that there should be at least some representation of the General membership on this committee. In fact I will go so far as to say that ALL committees formed by this board should have a *balance* of NONboard members. The problem with such exclusivity is the appearance that the board is not including differing points of view. (I think that the appearance of Hoarding *responsibility* can be ultimately a major problem for this project. I have volunteered and agree to help in any way I can. ) Many of us are willing to participate in the work of the committees of the project. Please include us. We too want to help make this a better project. Margot Hill mmhill@mtnia.com CC in Kansas and Iowa ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:54:02 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981115215402.007bd100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 11/15/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: >I am forwarding this letter from Donald Spidell. > See how affective our new grievance procedure is :>) Bob >Subject: Letter > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:20:57 -0700 > From: "Don Spidell" > To: > >I hereby rescind my former letter of Grievance/Complaint against Nancy Trice and >Maureen Reed. > >I still would like to see an amendment to the by-laws covering impeachment of >the National Coordinator and Members of the Board. > >I also propose that the name of the USGenWeb Board of Advisors be changed to the >USGenWeb Project Board of Directors. > >Donald L. Spidell > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ate: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:37:52 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <29db6f96.365c2450@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I got Margot Hill's letter too, and did a bit of reading. "ARTICLE VI, Sec. 3: The responsibilities of the Advisory Board shall include: addressing any problem issues as they arise, aiding the state projects upon request, overseeing elections, advising and mediating, if necessary, any grievances or appeals, and appointing a Webmaster to maintain the national website." IMHO, our Bylaws make NO provision for 'outsiders' in the grievance process... And I do NOT think the vast majority of our folks care one way or the other. I have only heard from one (Margot) who wanted to be involved. Every other letter I've gotten has said "We elected you to do these things, so go do them!" And no matter who is selected to be on that committee, there will be those who find fault with the choice! Ginger Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:36:53 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365C321C.24AF1287@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Bamford wrote: > At 06:17 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: > >The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. > >There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should > >there be.. > > > >Kay > > My reply to one of my constituents: > > This is why we elected these people. Should the congress, when it forms > committees, select a few citizens to sit on those committees? Questions of > the nature posed by greivances are in many cases, personal, in many cases > involve policy and in fact the resolutions do, in some cases tend to set > precedents for future decisions. The board is elected by the CCs/SCs to > handle these matters on their behalf. > By having the whole board be the committee we get a true cross-section of > the project volunteers AND we don't get to "hand-pick" and potentially > "pack" the committee. The board is NOT the enemy they are the elected > representatives of the volunteers. > > Bob I have gone back and read and reread the By-Laws, I have read the Minutes of the Board Meetings, on 9/2/98 the issue of Kenny Thomas was brought before the Board, then again on 10/4/98 By-Laws and Grievance were the topic. And then nothing more about this. Actually there is more on the Board Minutes on that date about the ALL list than about the other two topics. By-Laws as they are written now, are not being changed in anyway by this Board by this action, unless there has been discussion and I am not aware of it. If that is the case would someone be so kind as to bring me up to speed? Because I will not be able to agree with something of which I know nothing about. Sorry to be such a stickler, but I need a basis in order to draw a conclusion. And please don't shout ;o} Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:31:26 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125123126.007b6cc0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:36 AM 11/25/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > >I have gone back and read and reread the By-Laws, I have read the Minutes of the Board Meetings, on >9/2/98 the issue of Kenny Thomas was brought before the Board, then again on 10/4/98 By-Laws and >Grievance were the topic. And then nothing more about this. Actually there is more on the Board >Minutes on that date about the ALL list than about the other two topics. >By-Laws as they are written now, are not being changed in anyway by this Board by this action, >unless there has been discussion and I am not aware of it. If that is the case would someone be so >kind as to bring me up to speed? Because I will not be able to agree with something of which I know >nothing about. Sorry to be such a stickler, but I need a basis in order to draw a conclusion. >And please don't shout ;o} >Kathy Kathy read my comments below. That says it in a nutshell. The BL give the board the responsibility for handling grievances. What Kay's motion is trying to do is fomalize and document the process. Without the motion, the board can address grievances as they see fit. It should be the board's goal to have as many of the problems that come up, be resolved on the state level. The less board involment the better. Bob >>Bob Bamford wrote: >> >> This is why we elected these people. Should the congress, when it forms >> committees, select a few citizens to sit on those committees? Questions of >> the nature posed by greivances are in many cases, personal, in many cases >> involve policy and in fact the resolutions do, in some cases tend to set >> precedents for future decisions. The board is elected by the CCs/SCs to >> handle these matters on their behalf. >> By having the whole board be the committee we get a true cross-section of >> the project volunteers AND we don't get to "hand-pick" and potentially >> "pack" the committee. The board is NOT the enemy they are the elected >> representatives of the volunteers. >> >> Bob > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:46:43 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125094643.007b8990@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [Fwd: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] Committee for Greivances Montion 98-3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:17 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >The motion says that the members of the Committee are the Board members.. >There is nothing about adding any outside members.. nor should >there be.. > >Kay My reply to one of my constituents: This is why we elected these people. Should the congress, when it forms committees, select a few citizens to sit on those committees? Questions of the nature posed by greivances are in many cases, personal, in many cases involve policy and in fact the resolutions do, in some cases tend to set precedents for future decisions. The board is elected by the CCs/SCs to handle these matters on their behalf. By having the whole board be the committee we get a true cross-section of the project volunteers AND we don't get to "hand-pick" and potentially "pack" the committee. The board is NOT the enemy they are the elected representatives of the volunteers. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:51:43 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125095143.007b8990@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended/seconded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:42 AM 11/25/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >Not necessarily, but Trey did. > He, apparently was the only one. I see no reason to hold up the parade unless others want to delay. It is really a simple issue and (politics aside) is in the best interests of the project. Bob