Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:06:09 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365AD96D.DB7BABD8@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning, What I actually know about Teresa would fill a thimble. She is a good County-sitter. When I needed help, T & C lined up Teresa to fill in. Since the counties were on Skyways that was easily done. All she had to do was use the common passwords. I had never heard of her until then, and I could have done without the introduction (The Adams Family Photo Shop ) Teresa is educated and very good with words and manipulation and in combination that is enough to incite verbal riots among many on the ALL which is her "Forum". As Megan once said, "Teresa would be on the wrong side of anything" (just for the *ell of it (my words). That is about it, Kathy Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: > Morning, > > I believe everyone knows by now, that merope is just goading and > trying to inflame members of the USGenWeb. To what purpose? > I have no idea. > > merope wrote: > > 2. Local control of this project being lost by the CCs, where it belongs, and ending up invested in the Board, where it doesn't. > > Kathy, you have had more contact with her than the rest of us, > what is your take on the situation? What exactly is the "Board" > doing that makes her so upset. > > We are not setting rules that we make them follow, we believe the pages belong > to the cc and they may decorate or not, as they see fit. > It is strange how she brings up a topic of dissension and then plays devil's > advocate, pounding the Board, whether they answer to her > likes or dislikes. Very curious! > > Take care, > Yvonne in Burke, VA > Vive la USGenWeb Project! > > Kay Mason wrote: > > > > I'm on numerous lists as the Census rep.. and there has been no mention > > of this on any of them.. > > > > The bottom line is that 90% of the CCs don't care what goes on the > > ALL list...all they want to do is help other people with their > > genealogy..not fuss & fight & scream on the ALL list. > > > > Kay > > > > Date forwarded: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:40 -0800 (PST) > > Date sent: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:25:14 -0500 > > From: Yvonne James-Henderson > > Organization: Visit Daisy's Roots! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/1daisy.htm > > Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics > > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Nope, not a word! > > > > > > > > > Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > > > > > > > > I am on three Kansas Lists and nothing about the Christmas Theme has come across. Teresa is trying > > > > to stir up trouble, I wouldn't post anything about this, that would only give her satisifaction. > > > > Yvonne, have I missed anything? The lists have been very quiet. > > > > Kathy > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html > > > > USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central > > > > http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html > > > > The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html > > > > Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html > > > > Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html > > > > NEW! Missouri Civil War List > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: > > > > MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > > > > with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > Yvonne in Burke, VA > > > Vive la USGenWeb Project! > > > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project > > http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > > http://www.usgenweb.com/census > > http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:23:16 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811241425.GAA14473@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm on numerous lists as the Census rep.. and there has been no mention of this on any of them.. The bottom line is that 90% of the CCs don't care what goes on the ALL list...all they want to do is help other people with their genealogy..not fuss & fight & scream on the ALL list. Kay Date forwarded: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:40 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:25:14 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson Organization: Visit Daisy's Roots! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/1daisy.htm Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Nope, not a word! > > > Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > > > > I am on three Kansas Lists and nothing about the Christmas Theme has come across. Teresa is trying > > to stir up trouble, I wouldn't post anything about this, that would only give her satisifaction. > > Yvonne, have I missed anything? The lists have been very quiet. > > Kathy > > > > -- > > > > Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html > > USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central > > http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html > > The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html > > Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html > > Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html > > NEW! Missouri Civil War List > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: > > MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com > > or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > > with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe > > > Take care, > Yvonne in Burke, VA > Vive la USGenWeb Project! > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:02:17 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365ACA79.290BEC8D@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morning, I believe everyone knows by now, that merope is just goading and trying to inflame members of the USGenWeb. To what purpose? I have no idea. merope wrote: > 2. Local control of this project being lost by the CCs, where it belongs, and ending up invested in the Board, where it doesn't. Kathy, you have had more contact with her than the rest of us, what is your take on the situation? What exactly is the "Board" doing that makes her so upset. We are not setting rules that we make them follow, we believe the pages belong to the cc and they may decorate or not, as they see fit. It is strange how she brings up a topic of dissension and then plays devil's advocate, pounding the Board, whether they answer to her likes or dislikes. Very curious! Take care, Yvonne in Burke, VA Vive la USGenWeb Project! Kay Mason wrote: > > I'm on numerous lists as the Census rep.. and there has been no mention > of this on any of them.. > > The bottom line is that 90% of the CCs don't care what goes on the > ALL list...all they want to do is help other people with their > genealogy..not fuss & fight & scream on the ALL list. > > Kay > > Date forwarded: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:13:40 -0800 (PST) > Date sent: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:25:14 -0500 > From: Yvonne James-Henderson > Organization: Visit Daisy's Roots! http://www.rootsweb.com/~daisy/1daisy.htm > Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics > To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > > > Nope, not a word! > > > > > > Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > > > > > > I am on three Kansas Lists and nothing about the Christmas Theme has come across. Teresa is trying > > > to stir up trouble, I wouldn't post anything about this, that would only give her satisifaction. > > > Yvonne, have I missed anything? The lists have been very quiet. > > > Kathy > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html > > > USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central > > > http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html > > > The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html > > > Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html > > > Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html > > > NEW! Missouri Civil War List > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: > > > MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > > > with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > > Take care, > > Yvonne in Burke, VA > > Vive la USGenWeb Project! > > > > USGenWeb Census Project > http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ > http://www.usgenweb.com/census > http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:42:39 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36599077.FF28BD69@tri.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Christmas Decorating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good Morning, This was in my email this morning. The first part we have addressed and are in the process of taking care of. The second part of this bothers me a bit, I feel that the CC's should be responsible for their web site. If it offends anyone, I am certain the CC will hear about it either directly or from their SC. imho I don't feel like we should be involved with this at this time. I just don't like setting up standards we are not able to enforce. Other thoughts? Kathy Dear Board Reps, Since I don't know if anyone has formerly presented this before the Board yet, I am going to ask you all to do so on my behalf. I would like the Board to consider asking the administrator of Rootsweb to provide a direct link to the main page of the USGW project, either complementing or replacing the current links to the Archives subproject. I feel this is in the best interests of the USGW Project and the researchers, and the RW sysadmin has indicated he will provide such a link if requested by the Board to do so. Thank you very much for your consideration of this matter. Now on to other issues: Yesterday, in response to Ron Eason's statement that no one should put anything on their pages that would offend anyone, I indicated that I would ask the Board to ban the use of christian holiday decorations, as these might reasonably be considered offensive to non-christians who visited our pages. I made this "proposal" to make a point: that when we start talking about setting standards for what is offensive we might very well end up someplace we don't want to go. While I expected this subtlety to be lost on Ron, I figured others would get the point and when absolutely no list traffic was generated by it, I assumed they had. This morning it was brought to my attention that a number of state lists have been very actively discussing this issue and there is real concern that the board will have to address this. Please be assured that this was not my intention and I apologize for any anxiety this has caused the board or any project members. To state my position clearly: I do not support and would not support any action by the board or any project member to dictate what project participants may put on their pages. I don't feel this sort of top-level approach is within the Board's mandate. Please feel free to distribute this where you think it will do some good. Again, my apologies for any concern this has caused. You all have a nice Thanksgiving! -Teresa merope@radix.net -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:55:30 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981123175530.0454d150@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Christmas Decorating Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay with everybody if post the portion about the decorating of pages to KYGEN-L where they have been upset about this? I believe Indiana was also discussing this. At 10:42 AM 11/23/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >Good Morning, >This was in my email this morning. The first part we have addressed and are in the process of taking >care of. The second part of this bothers me a bit, I feel that the CC's should be responsible for >their web site. If it offends anyone, I am certain the CC will hear about it either directly or from >their SC. imho I don't feel like we should be involved with this at this time. I just don't like >setting up standards we are not able to enforce. Other thoughts? >Kathy > >Dear Board Reps, > >Since I don't know if anyone has formerly presented this before the Board >yet, I am going to ask you all to do so on my behalf. I would like the >Board to consider asking the administrator of Rootsweb to provide a direct >link to the main page of the USGW project, either complementing or >replacing the current links to the Archives subproject. I feel this is in >the best interests of the USGW Project and the researchers, and the RW >sysadmin has indicated he will provide such a link if requested by the >Board to do so. Thank you very much for your consideration of this >matter. > > >Now on to other issues: Yesterday, in response to Ron Eason's statement >that no one should put anything on their pages that would offend anyone, I >indicated that I would ask the Board to ban the use of christian holiday >decorations, as these might reasonably be considered offensive to >non-christians who visited our pages. I made this "proposal" to make a >point: that when we start talking about setting standards for what is >offensive we might very well end up someplace we don't want to go. While I >expected this subtlety to be lost on Ron, I figured others would get the >point and when absolutely no list traffic was generated by it, I assumed >they had. This morning it was brought to my attention that a number of >state lists have been very actively discussing this issue and there is >real concern that the board will have to address this. Please be assured >that this was not my intention and I apologize for any anxiety this has >caused the board or any project members. To state my position clearly: I >do not support and would not support any action by the board or any >project member to dictate what project participants may put on their >pages. I don't feel this sort of top-level approach is within the Board's >mandate. > >Please feel free to distribute this where you think it will do some good. >Again, my apologies for any concern this has caused. > >You all have a nice Thanksgiving! > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net > > >-- > >Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html >USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html >The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html >Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html >Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html >NEW! Missouri Civil War List >To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: >MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com >or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) >with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe > > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:09:29 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365A0746.AFA263A2@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Christmas Decorating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly Timm wrote: > Okay with everybody if post the portion about the decorating of pages to > KYGEN-L where they have been upset about this? I believe Indiana was also > discussing this. > Sure hope the Page Police doesn't visit my Dickinson Co. KS site. I decorated for Christmas there last week and will have Clay done up shortly ;o} Oh well, the ALL list really covers every extreme, from Teresa to Eric. Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:27:14 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365A0B6F.74E4CA6E@tri.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am on three Kansas Lists and nothing about the Christmas Theme has come across. Teresa is trying to stir up trouble, I wouldn't post anything about this, that would only give her satisifaction. Yvonne, have I missed anything? The lists have been very quiet. Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe ate: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:25:14 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <365A271A.5AFC344C@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, not a word! Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > > I am on three Kansas Lists and nothing about the Christmas Theme has come across. Teresa is trying > to stir up trouble, I wouldn't post anything about this, that would only give her satisifaction. > Yvonne, have I missed anything? The lists have been very quiet. > Kathy > > -- > > Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html > USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central > http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html > The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html > Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html > Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html > NEW! Missouri Civil War List > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: > MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com > or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Take care, Yvonne in Burke, VA Vive la USGenWeb Project! Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:22:53 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811231525.HAA18293@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To be very honest with you, I don't understand why RW doesn't ask US if it would be all right to put a link to our main pages.. I don't understand why we are having to ask them. We bring in most of the hits to their servers......! I also feel that RW made a mistake in putting a link to the Archives to begin with.. if they were to have a link to our Project, it should have been to our main webpages. It sure has caused all of us a lot of grief.. I am really opposed to *giving in* to that little twerp Eric. Let's let this whole situation cool down before we take action.. Kay Date forwarded: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:39:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Bridgett Smith" Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:38:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Priority: normal To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > Hi folks, > > Guess I was taking a nap when all this discussion was going on > > > I see no problem with the word request. (This may be a moot point > right now, just stating my opinion). Many folks write and "request" a > link to their page from my county page -- to me that doesn't make > them subservient to me. > > Ya know, I just don't know why RW just didn't quietly put the link on > the main page to our main page and let it go at that. No > announcements no hype just done with it. Oh well, too late now. > > Bridgett > > On 22 Nov 98, at 22:08, Bob Bamford wrote: > > > At 09:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: > > >Hi Everyone. > > > > > >I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I > > think the > > >word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to > > >Eric's level. > > > > > I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to > > RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > > > > Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the > > National Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main > > RootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > > > > Instead of: > > > > Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as > > the Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb > > webpage > > > > PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the > > previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > > > > Bob > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > > Bridgett Smith > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:10:26 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811242112.NAA18866@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT No, the Bylaws say that a SC rep can be either a SC or an ASC. Kay Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: estral@switchboard.net Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:49:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > At 02:26 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: > > I'm not sure about this. Since Terry is/was a SC rep, > and since she is no longer a SC, is this a problem? > > > > >This puts the issue of Tery's status to bed. Hopefully she'll be back in a > >few days. > > > >Bob > > > > > >>Return-Path: > >>Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:16:08 -0800 (PST) > >>I am taking this opportunity to let you know that COGenWeb has voted in a > >>new SC, to replace Terry Davis, according to her wishes. > > > Kim Harris Myers > estral@switchboard.net > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY > http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > > NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > > Visit the November County of the Month: > Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:14:46 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111201446.010f9a20@1starnet.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re: Question re new wording on web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brian's reply and at the bottom, another staff member's reply: >Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:06:16 -0800 (PST) >Old-cc: "Dr. Brian Leverich" >Reply-to: "Dr. Brian Leverich" >Subject: Re: Question re new wording on web page >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:06:09 -0800 >From: Brian Leverich > > >Exact same wording has been there for almost three years. > >"At minimal cost" means at minimal cost. Ultimately, nothing in >life is free. You can have RootsWeb (which costs the average user >pennies per month) or you can have Ancestry at $5 per user per month. > >I call pennies "minimal" compared to $5. Cheers, B. > > >-- Your message was: (from "Betsy Mills") >> Hi! >> >> This message was posted to the USGW board members tonight. I told them I >> would ask so as to get to the source instead of going through rumors and >> speculation! Brian or someone, can you send your answer to me and I >> will forward your answer to the board members on the private list. >> Otherwise, it will be all over the ALL list before the board even gets it >> read. >> >> Thanks! >> Betsy >> >> Begin quote: >> >> Went to the rootsweb homepage tonight, and noticed >> it had been updated, >> >> Has anyone else seen this? >> ======= >> So what's a RootsWeb, anyway? >> The RootsWeb project has two missions: >> >> 1.To make large volumes of data available to the online genealogical communit >y >> at minimal cost. >> 2.To provide support services to online genealogical activities such as USENE >T >> newsgroup moderation, mailing list maintenance, surname list generation, >> etc. >> ======= >> >> The "at minimal cost" confuses me. Anyone know anything? >> >> End quote >> > ------------------ > > >-- >Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L >RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ >P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com > > Hi, Betsy - This question came up on LISTOWNERS-L a while back, too. I dunno where they get this stuff! That snippet they posted on USGENWEB-ALL has not been modified for many months, if ever. "At minimal cost" has been part of the RootsWeb mission for all time. The reason that it's included in the description is simply because what RootsWeb does *isn't* free, and we (sadly) can't make our costs disappear by waving a magic wand. The goal is to get genealogical material out to the net by passing on as few costs to the general public as possible. Specifically, we will not lock up data so that only paying subscribers can access it. We will always have to charge folks for some services, but our model is to keep as much stuff as possible completely free. -- Regards, Tim Pierce RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative system obfuscator and hack-of-all-trades Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:35:08 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981114063508.007e6560@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It appears Terry is retiring permanently. Anybody got any better info? Bob >Return-Path: >Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 00:03:10 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: >From: "Lynn" >Old-To: "State Coord List" >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:05:22 -0700 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC >Resent-Message-ID: <"XzzRHD.A.FXD.-kTT2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2635 >X-Loop: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: STATE-COORD-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Just received word that Terry Davis, the SC for Colorado won't be coming >back on line for some time. Terry asked me to act as SC until CO can hold >an election, and vote in a new SC. >I thought I should let everyone know about the changes. >Lynn Waterman >Acting SC for Colorado > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 09:55:36 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811141757.JAA03899@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I would appreciate it if this goes no farther, but I guess that I can say that a group of Terry's friends made an effort to pay off her phone bill.. but I don't think that we ever even found out *exactly* how much it was.. the phone co gave a different total to everyone who asked.. All I can say is that she owes less now than she did eariler. I too would feel better about having an official resignation, but we might as well make plans to replace her in the election too. Kay Date forwarded: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:56:28 -0800 (PST) From: estral@switchboard.net Date sent: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:53:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > At 10:46 AM 11/14/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 11/14/98 3:35:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >essxbook@citrus.infi.net writes: > > > >> It appears Terry is retiring permanently. Anybody got any better info? > > > >I got a note from a mutual friend last night who is Terry's Colorado ASC. > >Terry appears to be in dire straits financially and will not be "back" until > >Spring sometime. > > > >It seems we now need a replacement SC Rep for NW/Plains, too... > > > >Ginger > > > > > Do we need to try and get an official resignation from her. > I would feel more comfortable if we had it from her. > Doesn't someone have her phone number? > Kim Harris Myers > estral@switchboard.net > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY > http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > > NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > > Visit the November County of the Month: > Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/ce/nsus http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:42:43 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811200149.RAA05716@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [BOARD-L] Motion 98-8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bob: Your note confuses me. You said it came from a CC? Yet the letter sounds like it came from someone who has a county page not connected to USGW. To me if it is a CC, then it is an internal problem with the State Project, or at least should be handled from there to start with. I've had the same problem with my state. Both the CC copying the non-USGW county pages (one or two of them) and then visa versa. However, the cc figured out what was happening with his queries and posted a few erroneous ones to catch the non-USGW webmaster. Still, I handled both instances without going to the board about it. (Come to think about it I may have bcc'd Megan just in case it blew out of porportion.). Anyway, them's my thoughts. Bridgett On 19 Nov 98, at 18:46, Bob Bamford wrote: > I recieved the following from a CC. In my opinion there is, in all > probablity, a copyright issue here in addition an issue that is internal > to the state. > > I would propose answering as follows. > _______________________________________ > > "It appears that there is a question here of copyright infringement. The > USGenWeb Projects policies and by-laws are quite clear on the project's > attitude toward copyright infringement: > > ***************************** > ARTICLE X. COPYRIGHT > > Section 1. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright of websites resides solely > with the creator of the web page(s). Their inclusion as part of The > USGenWeb Project does not give any irrevocable right, implied or > otherwise, to The USGenWeb Project to permanently use the material. > > Section 2. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other > data submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. > The submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies > that The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such > time the submitter requests removal. > > Section 3. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to data contributed to any > special projects resides with the contributor, who agrees that The > USGenWeb Project, as a not-for-profit group, has permanent use of the > data. The permanent use agreement is conditional upon the non-profit > nature of The USGenWeb Project and will become null and void if The > USGenWeb Project should ever cease to be non-profit. > > Section 4. All members of The USGenWeb Project shall be responsible for > adhering to The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy which may be > found, along with further information about copyright, at The USGenWeb > Project national website, > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. > ***************************** Of course this is national policy. I suggest > that you discuss your problem with your state coordinator and if you find > that that does not resolve the issue, you direct your problem to your > Regional CC Representatives. _____________________________________ > > I would appreciate the board's input. > > Bob > > > > Dear Sir Is it the policy of the USGenWeb to let the CC`s copy > several complete pages of queries of one County page (not GenWeb pages) > and post them on their GenWeb page. I am talking about the same County and > same State and not only queries but Cem also > > If so I can then go into the USGenWeb Archives and copy the information > and build my on pages with this information. > > I know that their is nothing wrong with a link on a page to go to a > query page or a cem page. We all put links on our pages but we should not > steal other peoples work if we want to copy the information we should ask > it. > > Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:46:48 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981119184648.007cb100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [BOARD-L] Motion 98-8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I recieved the following from a CC. In my opinion there is, in all probablity, a copyright issue here in addition an issue that is internal to the state. I would propose answering as follows. _______________________________________ "It appears that there is a question here of copyright infringement. The USGenWeb Projects policies and by-laws are quite clear on the project's attitude toward copyright infringement: ***************************** ARTICLE X. COPYRIGHT Section 1. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright of websites resides solely with the creator of the web page(s). Their inclusion as part of The USGenWeb Project does not give any irrevocable right, implied or otherwise, to The USGenWeb Project to permanently use the material. Section 2. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such time the submitter requests removal. Section 3. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to data contributed to any special projects resides with the contributor, who agrees that The USGenWeb Project, as a not-for-profit group, has permanent use of the data. The permanent use agreement is conditional upon the non-profit nature of The USGenWeb Project and will become null and void if The USGenWeb Project should ever cease to be non-profit. Section 4. All members of The USGenWeb Project shall be responsible for adhering to The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy which may be found, along with further information about copyright, at The USGenWeb Project national website, http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. ***************************** Of course this is national policy. I suggest that you discuss your problem with your state coordinator and if you find that that does not resolve the issue, you direct your problem to your Regional CC Representatives. _____________________________________ I would appreciate the board's input. Bob Dear Sir Is it the policy of the USGenWeb to let the CC`s copy several complete pages of queries of one County page (not GenWeb pages) and post them on their GenWeb page. I am talking about the same County and same State and not only queries but Cem also If so I can then go into the USGenWeb Archives and copy the information and build my on pages with this information. I know that their is nothing wrong with a link on a page to go to a query page or a cem page. We all put links on our pages but we should not steal other peoples work if we want to copy the information we should ask it. Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:32:07 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120073207.007ace50@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] [BOARD-L] Motion 98-8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI After Bridgette's insightful analysis, (she reads, I skim) :>) It is obvious that the complainant is not a CC. In view of that I will send the following: "It appears that there could be a question here of copyright infringement. The USGenWeb Projects policies are quite clear on the project's attitude toward copyright infringement: They may be viewed at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. In as much as you have not provided any URLs etc. we have no way of viewing the material involved. I would suggest that you contact the CC involved and question the material. If that fails to resolve the problem you should contact the State Coordinator for the state involved. Meanwhile, forwarding the URLs involved to me, would allow a review on the national level should the USGenWeb Project National Advisory need to get involved. __________________________________________________ Original "complaint" From: "Don E. Wright" Dear Sir Is it the policy of the USGenWeb to let the CC`s copy several complete pages of queries of one County page (not GenWeb pages) and post them on their GenWeb page. I am talking about the same County and same State and not only queries but Cem also If so I can then go into the USGenWeb Archives and copy the information and build my on pages with this information. I know that their is nothing wrong with a link on a page to go to a query page or a cem page. We all put links on our pages but we should not steal other peoples work if we want to copy the information we should ask it. __________________________________________________ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:52:27 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3655903B.B11CDA61@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [BOARD-L] Motion 98-8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Wright is a cc, he has several MO counties. Bob wrote: Original "complaint" From: "Don E. Wright" Take care, Yvonne in Burke, VA Vive la USGenWeb Project! ************************** Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:04:37 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981124230437.01953280@txcyber.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended/seconded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:10 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:57 AM 11/23/98 -0500, Beth Wills wrote: > >Motion 98-9 > >Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >National >Advisory Board, request and approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the >mainRootsWeb >web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net > >re-seconded by: >Kathy Heidel > >Motion 98-9 is open for discussion through midnight (EST) 11/24/98. To be >extended if necessary. > >Please do not confuse your messages with those pertaining to Motion 98-3 >which is on the floor on the board-l list. I have recieved a couple of messages from cc's expressing concerns over this motion. It is my opinion that a fundamental misconception about the purpose and the power of the board exists among many volunteers. I think some discussion needs to occur before proceeding to a vote on this issue. Given the upcoming holiday and the fact that I am essentially offline until Sunday night I would like to respectfully request that the vote on this issue be delayed until next week. I think that we also should consider putting a hold on board discussions until after the Thanksgiving Holiday. Someone also mentioned that the bylaws require 48 hours notice of a vote. I think we have been doing that but I would like to propose that we not include weekends and holidays when applying the 48 hours to schedule a vote. Just some thoughts Thanks Happy Thankgiving to one and all I'm gone till Sunday Trey Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 05:33:09 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125053309.007c2100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended/seconded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:04 PM 11/24/98 -0600, Trey Holt wrote: >At 12:10 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 08:57 AM 11/23/98 -0500, Beth Wills wrote: >> In as much as we finally have somme discussion on this motion I will extend debate time to noon EST. Bob >>Motion 98-9 >> >>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >>National >>Advisory Board, request and approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the >>mainRootsWeb >>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >>Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net >> >>re-seconded by: >>Kathy Heidel >> >>Motion 98-9 is open for discussion through midnight (EST) 11/24/98. To be >>extended if necessary. >> >>Please do not confuse your messages with those pertaining to Motion 98-3 >>which is on the floor on the board-l list. > > >I have recieved a couple of messages from cc's expressing concerns over >this motion. It is my opinion that a fundamental misconception about the >purpose and the power of the board exists among many volunteers. >I think some discussion needs to occur before proceeding to a vote on this >issue. > >Given the upcoming holiday and the fact that I am essentially offline until >Sunday night I would like to respectfully request that the vote on this >issue be delayed until next week. I think that we also should consider >putting a hold on board discussions until after the Thanksgiving Holiday. > >Someone also mentioned that the bylaws require 48 hours notice of a vote. I >think we have been doing that but I would like to propose that we not >include weekends and holidays when applying the 48 hours to schedule a vote. > >Just some thoughts >Thanks >Happy Thankgiving to one and all >I'm gone till Sunday > >Trey > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:22:53 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811231525.HAA18286@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks - - Welcome to the USGW Board! This is what we went thru last year.. I would suggest that we all unsub from ALL..and go about our business.. Kay Date forwarded: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:26:37 -0800 (PST) Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:25:29 -0600 From: Betsy Mills Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > I respectfully disagree, but I don't guess we need to argue semantics. > > Just FYI, Eric's latest post included this item of interest: > So you all know..... once the link has been placed my next place to look at > will > be the Board. Once there has been an agenda made for the remainder of the > year for action to take and that action is moving along I will be happy to > find other > issues that will bring me to a more positive and happy way of doing > things....... > > So, it isn't going to matter whether RW places the link or not, we are his > next target!!! Start digging bunkers and get out the flak-jackets for > everyone! ROTFL > > Betsy > > PS: "Amended" is the correct spelling of the word. > > > At 10:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: > >At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: > >>Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO > >>Betsy > >> > >Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, > >please link to us. > >Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we > >are, as equals, approving such a link. > > > >I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are > >subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, > >what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) > > > >Bob > > > >>>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to > >>>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > >>> > >>>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the > >>>National > >>>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb > >>>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > >>> > >>>Instead of: > >>> > >>>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as > the > >>>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb > webpage > >>> > >>>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the > >>>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > >>> > >>>Bob > > > > > > > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:53:14 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981123175314.042d2aa0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:22 AM 11/23/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Folks - - Welcome to the USGW Board! This is what we went thru >last year.. I would suggest that we all unsub from ALL..and go >about our business.. I could care less what Eric says but I don't agree about not staying on ALL, whether we are there or not is not going to change what they say there and it sure helps to know what the h*ll is going on when this stuff spills over onto the state lists in one's region and the CC's start emailing. >Kay > >Date forwarded: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:26:37 -0800 (PST) >Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:25:29 -0600 >From: Betsy Mills >Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended >To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >> I respectfully disagree, but I don't guess we need to argue semantics. >> >> Just FYI, Eric's latest post included this item of interest: >> So you all know..... once the link has been placed my next place to look at >> will >> be the Board. Once there has been an agenda made for the remainder of the >> year for action to take and that action is moving along I will be happy to >> find other >> issues that will bring me to a more positive and happy way of doing >> things....... >> >> So, it isn't going to matter whether RW places the link or not, we are his >> next target!!! Start digging bunkers and get out the flak-jackets for >> everyone! ROTFL >> >> Betsy >> >> PS: "Amended" is the correct spelling of the word. >> >> >> At 10:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >> >>Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO >> >>Betsy >> >> >> >Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, >> >please link to us. >> >Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we >> >are, as equals, approving such a link. >> > >> >I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are >> >subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, >> >what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) >> > >> >Bob >> > >> >>>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >> >>>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: >> >>> >> >>>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >> >>>National >> >>>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >> >>>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >> >>> >> >>>Instead of: >> >>> >> >>>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as >> the >> >>>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb >> webpage >> >>> >> >>>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >> >>>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. >> >>> >> >>>Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/census >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:57:03 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122205703.007be7c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 - RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:23 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >I agree with that whole-heartedly. >Kathy > Do you wish to ammend the motion? Bob >Holly Timm wrote: > >> I like Beth's motion but agree with Bob we shoudl say something like "...as >> many CC's have requested..." and also that think that we should request >> this of RootsWeb not specifically to Dr B. (gets the personalities out of >> it ) >> >> At 06:53 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >> >I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion >> to request a link from the >> >main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. >> >Kathy >> > > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:10:43 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123121043.007d81c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended/seconded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 11/23/98 -0500, Beth Wills wrote: Motion 98-9 Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the National Advisory Board, request and approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the mainRootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net re-seconded by: Kathy Heidel Motion 98-9 is open for discussion through midnight (EST) 11/24/98. To be extended if necessary. Please do not confuse your messages with those pertaining to Motion 98-3 which is on the floor on the board-l list. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:30:00 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123113000.008ac320@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] All list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I couldn't agree more! Jan At 07:22 AM 11/23/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Folks - - Welcome to the USGW Board! This is what we went thru >last year.. I would suggest that we all unsub from ALL..and go >about our business.. > >Kay > >Date forwarded: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:26:37 -0800 (PST) >Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:25:29 -0600 >From: Betsy Mills >Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended >To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Forwarded by: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com >Send reply to: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com > >> I respectfully disagree, but I don't guess we need to argue semantics. >> >> Just FYI, Eric's latest post included this item of interest: >> So you all know..... once the link has been placed my next place to look at >> will >> be the Board. Once there has been an agenda made for the remainder of the >> year for action to take and that action is moving along I will be happy to >> find other >> issues that will bring me to a more positive and happy way of doing >> things....... >> >> So, it isn't going to matter whether RW places the link or not, we are his >> next target!!! Start digging bunkers and get out the flak-jackets for >> everyone! ROTFL >> >> Betsy >> >> PS: "Amended" is the correct spelling of the word. >> >> >> At 10:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >> >>Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO >> >>Betsy >> >> >> >Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, >> >please link to us. >> >Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we >> >are, as equals, approving such a link. >> > >> >I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are >> >subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, >> >what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) >> > >> >Bob >> > >> >>>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >> >>>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: >> >>> >> >>>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >> >>>National >> >>>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >> >>>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >> >>> >> >>>Instead of: >> >>> >> >>>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as >> the >> >>>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb >> webpage >> >>> >> >>>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >> >>>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. >> >>> >> >>>Bob >> > >> > >> > >> > > >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/census >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:26:13 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <75b09db7.365365a5@aol.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re: proposed Motion Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Until such time as we hear from Terry, I'll state the Motion on this list as a proposed Motion for discussion purposes, if that's okay... (And welcome Kathy!) In accordance with Article VI, Sec 8 of the bylaws I MOVE that the Advisory Board appoint Bill Oliver to fill the currently vacant position of SC Representative for the NW/Plains region until the next scheduled election. AND that the same said position of SC Representative for the NW/Plains region be added to the ballot for the next scheduled election to be held in or about January 1999 for the purpose of electing a National Coordinator. All candidates for this position should meet the qualifications for State Coordinator Representative as listed in Art VI, Sec 9 of the Bylaws. Ginger Cisewski NW/Plains CC Rep. Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:38:07 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122183807.007cf840@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >I think that this is an appropriate request for us to make of Rootsweb. I >also don't think we need to take forever to decide on it, just do we need >to make a motion or is consensus sufficient? > In view of the controversiality of the subject I think it would be in order that a motion be made. It would be appropriate to include the reason in the motion such as "since many CCs have requested..." Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:52:14 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122205214.007be310@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 - RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:53 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion to request a link from the >main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. Motion 98-9: I move that we, as the Advisory Board, request Dr. B Leverich to place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage to the main USGenWeb Project page. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net Has been made and seconded. Any discussion? Bob Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:22:42 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be1688$263c4540$41bb8ecf@default> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify the wording of this motion - I would like to ammend my motion 98-9 to read as follows: Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage ( http://www.rootsweb.com/ ) to the main USGenWeb Project page(s). http://www.usgenweb.org/ ; http://www.usgenweb.net/ ; http://www.usgenweb.com/ Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:57:29 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be16e9$35cd7180$2ebb8ecf@default> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the National Advisory Board, request and approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. Because Dr. B said that if we wanted a link all the board had to do is ask, I feel like we need to ask. I guess it doesn't hurt to "ask" and "approve" of it at the same time. Please note that I have now spelled amended correctly. Beth Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended >At 09:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: >>Hi Everyone. >> >>I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I >think the >>word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to Eric's >>level. >> >I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > >Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >National >Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > >Instead of: > >Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage > >PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > >Bob >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >Northeast/North Central Central Region >Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >-------------------------------------------------- >http://www.hertge.com/essex >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:19:55 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123091955.007c7100@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Amended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:57 AM 11/23/98 -0500, Beth Wills wrote: The above motion is restated below in its latest form. If the seconder approves of the ammended version please signify with an Aye. If the seconder disapproves vote Nay, in which case the floor will be open to a second of the restated motion. Bob Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the National Advisory Board, request and approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the mainRootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:34:02 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981125123402.007b65e0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] MOTION NUMBERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" EVERYONE: When commenting, discussing, whatever, on a specfic motion BE SURE THE MOTION # IS AT THE BEGINNING of the SUBJECT line. Thanks, Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:31:47 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811210338.TAA10666@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This also sounds good to me, assuming we get the resignation from Terry. Bridgett On 18 Nov 98, at 18:13, Bob Bamford wrote: > At 06:20 AM 11/18/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: > >>I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then > >>announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. > >> > >Sounds good to me. Any other comments? > > > >Bob > > > I can't hear you :>) > > Debbie/Ginger, how about putting together a proposed motion using the same > words as the one we used to get Kathy on board (change name and region of > course .) That will give us something to talk about. It would be best > if the motion comes from the region's reps. > > Bob > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) > USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: > Northeast/North Central Central Region > Florida GenWeb Advisory Board > County Coordinator Essex, County, MA > County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL > Town Coordinator Newbury, MA > Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA > -------------------------------------------------- > http://www.hertge.com/essex > e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:35:35 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be1670$cdec0d60$41bb8ecf@default> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that we should ask Dr. B to place a link from the main pace to the project. I don't know how anyone could find fault with this. If we need to make a motion and vote on it, I move that we, as the Advisory Board, request Dr. B Leverich to place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage to the main USGenWeb Project page. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm -----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW >I think that this is an appropriate request for us to make of Rootsweb. I >also don't think we need to take forever to decide on it, just do we need >to make a motion or is consensus sufficient? > >At 04:16 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, you wrote: >>And forwarding another one also. >>Betsy >> >> >>>From: "Roger Swafford" >>>To: "Betsy Mills" >>>Subject: RW link to USGW >>>Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:42:08 -0500 >>>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >>> >>>Hi Betsy; >>> >>>I have noted a lot of traffic on the -all list about why RW doesn't link to >>>the main USGW pages. >>> >>>I would suggest that you and the board approach Dr. B about maybe placing a >>>link there. It would do no harm and could quell a lot the disruption on >>>the -all list. >>> >>>Sincerely >>>Roger Swafford >>>CC Childress Co. TX >>>gizmo@wcic.cioe.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >Holly Timm >SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:38:40 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811230545.VAA09284@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi folks, Guess I was taking a nap when all this discussion was going on I see no problem with the word request. (This may be a moot point right now, just stating my opinion). Many folks write and "request" a link to their page from my county page -- to me that doesn't make them subservient to me. Ya know, I just don't know why RW just didn't quietly put the link on the main page to our main page and let it go at that. No announcements no hype just done with it. Oh well, too late now. Bridgett On 22 Nov 98, at 22:08, Bob Bamford wrote: > At 09:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: > >Hi Everyone. > > > >I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I > think the > >word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to > >Eric's level. > > > I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to > RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > > Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the > National Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main > RootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > > Instead of: > > Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as > the Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb > webpage > > PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the > previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > > Bob ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:16:31 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122161631.009adde0@1starnet.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] A request to rootsweb for a link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Forwarding for discussion by the board. Betsy >X-Sender: detharp@feist.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) >Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:44:07 -0600 >To: betsym@1starnet.com >From: Don Tharp >Subject: A request to rootsweb for a link to USGW > >Good morning Betsy, > >Please consider the following a request from one of your constituents. A similar message has also been sent to Trey. I am not aware of the correct procedure in asking you to bring this matter before the Advisory Board, so if I err, please excuse me. > >I am writing to address the recent -ALL list discussion concerning the lack of a link to The USGenWeb Project on the main page of the rootsweb server. > >Dr. Leverich has now participated in that discussion and states that the Advisory Board need only ask and he will place a link. See quoted message that follows my message. > >I do indeed believe that a prominent link on the main page of rootsweb would be very beneficial to the genealogical community. USGW is probably the largest organization with the most available free genealogical information on the internet and every effort should be made by us to lead researchers to all available information in all states. The most productive means to accomplish this is to ascertain that researchers are led to our national page through all possible links. > >Please consider placing a motion before the Board to ask Dr. Leverich if he would put a prominent link on rootsweb main page that will lead researchers to The USGenWeb Project's national page. > >If you have not followed this discussion and need any background information please contact me and I will send you excerpts that concern the discussion. > >Thank you for your time and for any consideration given this request. > >Don Tharp >detharp@feist.com >CC Chautauqua County, KS > >================================================ >>Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:51:01 -0800 >>From: Brian Leverich >>Subject: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] USGenWeb and RootsWeb > >.. > >>Anyway, if the Board asks on behalf of the Project that RootsWeb >>link to the Project, we will do so instantly. But they haven't >>asked us yet, probably because they're concerned that parts of the >>project might object. > > > >>I hope that helps, B. >>-- >>Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L >>RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ >>P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:13:59 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981118181359.007d2200@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:20 AM 11/18/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >>I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then >>announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. >> >Sounds good to me. Any other comments? > >Bob > I can't hear you :>) Debbie/Ginger, how about putting together a proposed motion using the same words as the one we used to get Kathy on board (change name and region of course .) That will give us something to talk about. It would be best if the motion comes from the region's reps. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:11:48 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36562F70.9C68CE06@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well here goes, I am feeling as though I am on the outside looking in and if it is possible I would rather abstain from voting on this because, I am not familiar with either of these men and don't feel qualified to give an opinion at this time. Will this cause a problem? Kathy Bob Bamford wrote: > At 06:20 AM 11/18/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: > >>I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then > >>announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. > >> > >Sounds good to me. Any other comments? > > > >Bob > > > I can't hear you :>) > > Debbie/Ginger, how about putting together a proposed motion using the same > words as the one we used to get Kathy on board (change name and region of > course .) That will give us something to talk about. > It would be best if the motion comes from the region's reps. > > Bob > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) > USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: > Northeast/North Central Central Region > Florida GenWeb Advisory Board > County Coordinator Essex, County, MA > County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL > Town Coordinator Newbury, MA > Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA > -------------------------------------------------- > http://www.hertge.com/essex > e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Check this out.......USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus Potawatomi Tribe Of OK: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html Missouri CW Veterans: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/veterans.html Dickinson Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/dickinso/index.html Clay Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/clay/index.html Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 07:51:23 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981121075123.008312c0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kathy, I don't know the folks involved either. I consider this vote one in support of the regional reps who would make the recommendtation. But I think we are all allowed to abstain when we feel it necessary. JMHO. Jan At 09:11 PM 11/20/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >Well here goes, I am feeling as though I am on the outside looking in and if it is possible I would >rather abstain from voting on this because, I am not familiar with either of these men and don't >feel qualified to give an opinion at this time. Will this cause a problem? >Kathy > >Bob Bamford wrote: > >> At 06:20 AM 11/18/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >> >>I'm comfortable with just appointing someone (Bill) and then >> >>announcing that the position will be added to the ballot. >> >> >> >Sounds good to me. Any other comments? >> > >> >Bob >> > >> I can't hear you :>) >> >> Debbie/Ginger, how about putting together a proposed motion using the same >> words as the one we used to get Kathy on board (change name and region of >> course .) That will give us something to talk about. >> It would be best if the motion comes from the region's reps. >> >> Bob >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >> USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >> Northeast/North Central Central Region >> Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >> County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >> County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >> Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >> Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >> -------------------------------------------------- >> http://www.hertge.com/essex >> e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net >> P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 >> (352) 527-2270 >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >-- >Check this out.......USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html >Kathy Welch Heidel > ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >Potawatomi Tribe Of OK: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html >Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html >Missouri CW Veterans: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/veterans.html >Dickinson Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/dickinso/index.html >Clay Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/clay/index.html > > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:28:17 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122202817.03f77640@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I like Beth's motion but agree with Bob we shoudl say something like "...as many CC's have requested..." and also that think that we should request this of RootsWeb not specifically to Dr B. (gets the personalities out of it ) At 06:53 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion to request a link from the >main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. >Kathy > >-- > >Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html >USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central >http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html >The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html >Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html >Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html >NEW! Missouri Civil War List >To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: >MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com >or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) >with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe > > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:16:59 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122161659.00971e80@1starnet.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And forwarding another one also. Betsy >From: "Roger Swafford" >To: "Betsy Mills" >Subject: RW link to USGW >Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:42:08 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > >Hi Betsy; > >I have noted a lot of traffic on the -all list about why RW doesn't link to >the main USGW pages. > >I would suggest that you and the board approach Dr. B about maybe placing a >link there. It would do no harm and could quell a lot the disruption on >the -all list. > >Sincerely >Roger Swafford >CC Childress Co. TX >gizmo@wcic.cioe.com > > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:26:16 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122172616.00949200@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that this is an appropriate request for us to make of Rootsweb. I also don't think we need to take forever to decide on it, just do we need to make a motion or is consensus sufficient? At 04:16 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, you wrote: >And forwarding another one also. >Betsy > > >>From: "Roger Swafford" >>To: "Betsy Mills" >>Subject: RW link to USGW >>Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 21:42:08 -0500 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >> >>Hi Betsy; >> >>I have noted a lot of traffic on the -all list about why RW doesn't link to >>the main USGW pages. >> >>I would suggest that you and the board approach Dr. B about maybe placing a >>link there. It would do no harm and could quell a lot the disruption on >>the -all list. >> >>Sincerely >>Roger Swafford >>CC Childress Co. TX >>gizmo@wcic.cioe.com >> >> >> > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:28:04 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123082804.007b2310@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] What you've been waiting for Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:20:13 -0500 >To: merope , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >From: Bob Bamford >Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] What you've been waiting for >In-Reply-To: > >At 06:51 AM 11/23/98 -0500, merope wrote: >> >>Dear Board Reps, >> >>Since I don't know if anyone has formerly presented this before the Board >>yet, I am going to ask you all to do so on my behalf. I would like the >>Board to consider asking the administrator of Rootsweb to provide a direct >>link to the main page of the USGW project, either complementing or >>replacing the current links to the Archives subproject. I feel this is in >>the best interests of the USGW Project and the researchers, and the RW >>sysadmin has indicated he will provide such a link if requested by the >>Board to do so. Thank you very much for your consideration of this >>matter. >> > This request should be directed to your regional board representative, not to this list. For the information of yourself and other members of this list, this request, as recieved from other CCs/SCs, is currently under discussion by the National Advisory Board. > Thank you for your input. > Bob > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:53:20 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3658B1FE.AF110072@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion to request a link from the main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:23:27 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3658B90E.93BEF96@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with that whole-heartedly. Kathy Holly Timm wrote: > I like Beth's motion but agree with Bob we shoudl say something like "...as > many CC's have requested..." and also that think that we should request > this of RootsWeb not specifically to Dr B. (gets the personalities out of > it ) > > At 06:53 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > >I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion > to request a link from the > >main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. > >Kathy Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:49:27 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <53bd196d.3658bf27@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You can add me to this group, too. It's a great idea! Ginger > I agree with that whole-heartedly. > Kathy > > Holly Timm wrote: > > > I like Beth's motion but agree with Bob we shoudl say something like "... > as > > many CC's have requested..." and also that think that we should request > > this of RootsWeb not specifically to Dr B. (gets the personalities out of > > it ) > > > > At 06:53 PM 11/22/1998 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: > > >I believe this to be a reasonable request and I will second Beth's motion > > to request a link from the > > >main Rootsweb Page to the Main USGW Project page. > > >Kathy > > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:12:57 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3658C4A7.C8CC2034@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 - RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to amend the motion to read: The Advisory Board has been approached by several CC's about a Link from Rootsweb's Main Page to USGW's Main Site. We feel this to be a reasonable request to put forth to Rootsweb. Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:49:58 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122204958.007be3e0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 - RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:35 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Beth Wills wrote: I move that we, as the Advisory Board, request Dr. B Leverich to place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage to the main USGenWeb Project page. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net Do I hear a second to the above motion ? Bob Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:57:38 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122205738.0091e140@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] RW link to USGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:49 PM 11/22/98 EST, you wrote: >You can add me to this group, too. It's a great idea! >Ginger > yep. i also agree Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:39:19 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811210045.QAA24242@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Don E. Wright's Complaint Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have told my folks that the queries belong to the submitters, how they are presented (formatting) belongs to the county host (unless done by an autobot or GenConnect of course). I have also gone so far as to tell one person when confronted with this, forward to me all the permission emails they have received from the submitters to remove them from the TNGenWeb County Site. That sort of shut them up Bridgett On 20 Nov 98, at 19:10, Holly Timm wrote: > At 08:44 AM 11/20/1998 -0600, you wrote: > >We, the board, are going to be forced to make a decision regarding the > >"ownership" of queries placed on a county page. Do they belong to the > >county host or do they belong to the county?? This one issue needs to be > >resolved and a procedure established for counties that are involved in a > >"hostile" takeover. > > Queries, IMO, belong to the submitter first of course, but also "belong" > to the site, not the CC. I think we diefnitely need to be provided with > URL's on this situation. > > > Holly Timm > SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:32:44 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3656264A.30D96C4E@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Don E. Wright's Complaint Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never had a problem with the queries, when someone adopted Mississippi and Pulaski Co.s, MO and Fall River, SD, counties I set up, the pages went to the new CC including the queries. Never crossed my mind that I was anything but the "Caretaker" of the info. I believe we are intrusted to keep the querys with the county where they were submitted or returned to the submitter. Kathy Bridgett Smith wrote: > I have told my folks that the queries belong to the submitters, how > they are presented (formatting) belongs to the county host (unless > done by an autobot or GenConnect of course). > > I have also gone so far as to tell one person when confronted with > this, forward to me all the permission emails they have received from > the submitters to remove them from the TNGenWeb County Site. > That sort of shut them up > > Bridgett > > On 20 Nov 98, at 19:10, Holly Timm wrote: > > > At 08:44 AM 11/20/1998 -0600, you wrote: > > >We, the board, are going to be forced to make a decision regarding the > > >"ownership" of queries placed on a county page. Do they belong to the > > >county host or do they belong to the county?? This one issue needs to be > > >resolved and a procedure established for counties that are involved in a > > >"hostile" takeover. > > > > Queries, IMO, belong to the submitter first of course, but also "belong" > > to the site, not the CC. I think we diefnitely need to be provided with > > URL's on this situation. > > > > > > Holly Timm > > SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative > > > > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > > Bridgett Smith > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ -- Check this out.......USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus Potawatomi Tribe Of OK: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html Missouri CW Veterans: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/veterans.html Dickinson Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/dickinso/index.html Clay Co., KS http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/genweb/clay/index.html Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:28:33 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123082833.007b6860@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] What you've been waiting for Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:26:12 -0500 >To: merope , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com >From: Bob Bamford >Subject: Re: [USGENWEB-ALL-L] What you've been waiting for >In-Reply-To: > >At 06:51 AM 11/23/98 -0500, merope wrote: >> >>Dear Board Reps, >> > >I would strongly suggest that you send the disclaimer below to your SC rep(s) for posting on the SC list. > >Subtlety is often lost in printed form and should be practised with some degree of judgement. > >Bob > >> >>Now on to other issues: Yesterday, in response to Ron Eason's statement >>that no one should put anything on their pages that would offend anyone, I >>indicated that I would ask the Board to ban the use of christian holiday >>decorations, as these might reasonably be considered offensive to >>non-christians who visited our pages. I made this "proposal" to make a >>point: that when we start talking about setting standards for what is >>offensive we might very well end up someplace we don't want to go. While I >>expected this subtlety to be lost on Ron, I figured others would get the >>point and when absolutely no list traffic was generated by it, I assumed >>they had. This morning it was brought to my attention that a number of >>state lists have been very actively discussing this issue and there is >>real concern that the board will have to address this. Please be assured >>that this was not my intention and I apologize for any anxiety this has >>caused the board or any project members. To state my position clearly: I >>do not support and would not support any action by the board or any >>project member to dictate what project participants may put on their >>pages. I don't feel this sort of top-level approach is within the Board's >>mandate. >> >>Please feel free to distribute this where you think it will do some good. >>Again, my apologies for any concern this has caused. >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:32:00 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811232338.PAA28106@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Xmas decorations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hmmm, my state project must be awfully mellow, nothing of the kind has come up YET on our state list. Will be laying in wait with Bob's response tho. Bridgett On 23 Nov 98, at 18:25, Holly Timm wrote: > Those who have written me are getting about the same response. By the way, > my mail has been 100% in favor of CC's decorating as they choose and of > the Board staying out of it. > > At 01:43 PM 11/23/1998 -0500, Bob wrote: > >Some people have contacted me directly and they are all getting this as a > >reply: > > > >"My personal opinion is, that we have no right to dictate to the SCs, CCs > >or TCs what to put on their pages beyond that stated in the page > >guidelines. > > > >Some people may be equally offended by the LACK of holiday displays. > >Short of overt religious or political proselytizing ( and of course, > >illegal or pornographic material) it is none of our business. > > > >This will be my position on the National Advisory Board should the > >subject come up." > > > >bob > > Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:35:21 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811241537.HAA20541@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] merope Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well----- who do we know that would be willing to do it? Kay (who is trying to get caught up on Census stuff still and can't think of anything else ) Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:16:37 -0500 To: kmfkm@ptw.com, Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com From: Bob Bamford Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] merope > At 06:23 AM 11/24/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: > >Well, a quote from merope > > > > > >> 2. Local control of this project being lost by the CCs, where it > > >> belongs, and ending up invested in the Board, where it doesn't. > > > >Now why is she asking us to ban Christmas graphics? By doing > >that, she is asking us to take control of the CCs pages... > > > Maybe someone will point it out to her... NOT us. > > Bob > USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:49:31 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971124154931.00926a60@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:26 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: I'm not sure about this. Since Terry is/was a SC rep, and since she is no longer a SC, is this a problem? >This puts the issue of Tery's status to bed. Hopefully she'll be back in a >few days. > >Bob > > >>Return-Path: >>Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:16:08 -0800 (PST) >>I am taking this opportunity to let you know that COGenWeb has voted in a >>new SC, to replace Terry Davis, according to her wishes. Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:08:43 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811042213.OAA14846@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] First order of business Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I like this idea, so those that don't care, and don't want to be bothered about getting extra pieces of mail in their mailbox can go continue doing so. EXCEPT, I have an idea that the only folks that would register would be those that we hear from constantly anyways? I could be wrong. B. On 4 Nov 98, at 15:29, Bob Bamford wrote: > At 09:35 AM 11/4/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: > > HEY!!! How about voter registration? If you don't register you can't vote! > > This will get the list down, provide a facility for cross checking > name/e-mail etc. for duplicates etc. > > Just shooting from the hip. > > Bob > > Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 11:37:40 CDT From: "Betsy Mills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811051734.JAA08152@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] A volunteer for the bylaws committee This is in response to my asking Linda if she would be willing to serve on the bylaws committee. She certainly looks good to me! Betsy Original-From: "Linda Haas Davenport" Original-Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 06:16:05 -0500 Betsy: To get this whole mess straighten out - yes I will. I wondered yesterday if you would be offended by my message - I have no reason to butt into what doesn't concern me except for losing my Marion Co site, which would really piss me off. Glad you took it the way it was intended. You deserve to know a bit about me - no I don't brew shine although some of my family did First I'm 55 years old. I'm a born & raised Okie who moved to Atlanta when the oil crisis hit in 1986 and have been waiting to go back home ever since. On a personal level, I'm married and have been to the same man for 38 years. Have two sons, grown and married and two grandsons. I got my CPA license at the ripe age of 21 and practiced public accounting until I started my own computer company in 1978. I designed accounting software and our largest clients were oil & gas companies in AR, OK, TX, LA so guess what happened to that business in 1986? Yep, bankruptcy followed the loss of our major oil clients. So I came to Atlanta and I now work as a Chief Operations Office for a 4 company group where I have been since 1986. My job is super high stress and the web and genealogy is my stress reliever. As a CPA my major job was to go into a business, nose around and then set up a full set of policies, procedures, write manuals for them, and organize the paper flow and help the company make changes as necessary. I ended up being the one who fought with the boards, forced through changes to corporate organizational procedures and yes, set up corporation after corporation after corporation. I can't even remember, as if I would want to, the number of hours I've sat on boards and tried to get some knucklehead to open their pea brains and see past the end of their nose (read that as protect own personal department position). I thought I was through with all of that when I started my computer company, but I wasn't. I still ended up having to fight with Boards - but this time it was why spend money on a computer and I ended up doing the same job as a consultant that I did as a CPA. Figure out the companies paper flow, get everything put into order, help make necessary changes, etc., etc. etc. And now at my job I still do a lot of that including fighting with the Board. I think usgenweb is probably one of the best things to have happened to the web for genealogist and the bickering, fighting and for God Sakes throwing out your venom to the general public is simply crazy. Mud sticks - period. And, usgenweb is a company "selling" a product - that product is free info and if an advertising campaign isn't organized then the product won't be sold and if the mud slinging doesn't stop then the company won't survive. A simple fact of life in the business world. What you are up against is that the average CC or SC or Archivist ISN'T a business person. I would guess the majority of them do work, but not at a level high enough in a business to understand the blood sweat and tears it takes to make a company successful enough to make payroll each week. Most 0Apeople see their own tiny section of their job and that's all they know. I base this on the few weeks I spent on Roots ALL and from reading NC's resignation. I didn't see but maybe a half a dozen posts to ALL-L that were made by people who had some understanding of by-laws and organization structure, the rest of the messages were emotional and it was pretty plain the people who were posting them didn't have a clue about what they were spouting off about. Anyway, I'm willing to "put my money where my mouth is" and try to keep this damm "tropical storm" from developing into a full fledged hurricane that will wipe out usgenweb. So what do you want me to do? when? and where can I find or get a full set of the by-laws? Remember I don't know much about the structure or history of usgenweb. From NC's resignation I assume that the Board is composed of each of the state managers, the nation level archive manager and ...... who else? What's the hierarchy of the Board? Who is the Chairman and how does that person get appointed / elected? Does each of the state managers have a full vote? Everyone on the Board have one vote? Are the state managers required to solicit suggestions from the CCs? Who has the authority / power / position to appoint a by-law committee? Will the committee have to be elected? How many people do you intend to have on the committee? What time frame are you going to work in? As you can see I'm pretty much in the dark so enlighten me if you will. Linda lhaasdav@avana.net Home Page: http://www.avana.net/~lhaasdav/Haas.html County Coordinator and Archivist: Marion Co AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion ---------- > From: Betsy Mills > To: Linda Haas Davenport > Subject: Re: My two cents worth > Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 9:42 AM > > At 07:46 AM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Betsy: > > > >I just wish people would keep their dirty laundry at home and not spread it > >out for the neighbors to see. > > > >NC's resignation and the way he/she did it stinks. I'd like to stick my > >nose in this whole mess one time and then I'll shut up. > > > >-------------------- > >Here's my thoughts - comments on the whole mess > > > >It's kind of funny how the web works. People are out there talking and > >making suggestions and you really don't have a clue as to that person's > >background, qualifications, profession or personality. I'm an example. > >You all who have been involved with me know me only through my work on the > >Marion Co page and the couple of hours I spent with you on a CHAT group. > >For all you know about me I could be a hillbilly from the hills of Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:16:38 -0600 From: Trey Holt To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981112201638.010c42d4@txcyber.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Bylaws Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There has been quite a bit of talk on several list about a Bylaws committee. In my opinion and the way it is set up in the bylaws is for the amendment process to start in the states with the volunteers not at the top in a bylaws committee. The bylaws do make provisions for the board to make emergency amendments but that was designed to deal with situations that threaten the existence of the project not for general amendments. I dont think that it is the boards place to be "fixing" the bylaws. It should start with the volunteers just my opinion Trey At 07:59 PM 11/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:51 PM 11/11/98 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >>At 06:28 AM 11/11/1998 -0500, you wrote: >>>All, when the BL committee goes to work, IMHO I think it should set >>>provisions to have the regions elected replacements for those who leave the >>>board with more than 90 days left in their term. >>> >>>Bob >> >>can we make it optional or discretionary with the Board. That would leave >>some latitude in combining an election over more than one vacant seat or >>not getting stuck with an election because there are 95 days left of the >>term >> >I see your point let's let the BL committee work it out (at least consider >it.) > >Bob > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:06:30 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111190630.010ec810@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Kim, Would you like for me to ask Brian Leverich this question?? I can just tell him that "a board member has asked." We can speculate all day as to what we think it means, but Brian can answer it. Thanks! Betsy At 07:04 PM 11/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Went to the rootsweb homepage tonight, and noticed >it had been updated, > >Has anyone else seen this? >======= >So what's a RootsWeb, anyway? >The RootsWeb project has two missions: > >1.To make large volumes of data available to the online genealogical community > at minimal cost. >2.To provide support services to online genealogical activities such as USENET > newsgroup moderation, mailing list maintenance, surname list generation, >etc. >======= > >The "at minimal cost" confuses me. Anyone know anything? > > >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:09:40 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111200940.007985d0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:06 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Kim, > >Would you like for me to ask Brian Leverich this question?? I can just >tell him that "a board member has asked." We can speculate all day as to >what we think it means, but Brian can answer it. > >Thanks! >Betsy > Betsy, Do you have a line to someone other than his robot? I only seem to get robot mail. I don't want to start anything over this, but thought it might be something someone knew something about. Kim Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:36:45 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111193645.010d7aa0@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yep! I do! I will ask him about it. I don't think you are trying to start something. It is something that other people are likely to ask us. Betsy At 08:09 PM 11/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:06 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Hi Kim, >> >>Would you like for me to ask Brian Leverich this question?? I can just >>tell him that "a board member has asked." We can speculate all day as to >>what we think it means, but Brian can answer it. >> >>Thanks! >>Betsy >> > >Betsy, > >Do you have a line to someone other than his robot? >I only seem to get robot mail. I don't want to start anything >over this, but thought it might be something someone knew >something about. > >Kim > > >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:38:55 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111203855.0088d6d0@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:36 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote: >Yep! I do! I will ask him about it. I don't think you are trying to >start something. It is something that other people are likely to ask us. > >Betsy > Okay, thanks. I almost sent this to the board list by mistake. I appreciate this. I am sure we will be asked about it, so it will be good to know in advance. Its probably nothing, but you know those "black helicopters.." Thanks, kim Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:28:28 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981111212828.00896930@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Bylaws Committee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:16 PM 11/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >There has been quite a bit of talk on several list about a Bylaws >committee. In my opinion and the way it is set up in the bylaws is for the >amendment process to start in the states with the volunteers not at the top >in a bylaws committee. The bylaws do make provisions for the board to make >emergency amendments but that was designed to deal with situations that >threaten the existence of the project not for general amendments. >I dont think that it is the boards place to be "fixing" the bylaws. It >should start with the volunteers > >just my opinion >Trey > Good point, Trey. I will share with you all a message I recently sent the SC list: David and my other fellow SC's, Does anyone think that a good resolution to this would be to amend the by-laws to read something on the order of each state may have in place its own process for succession, as determined by the CC's (and SC) of that state and kept on file so it may be pulled out at an appropriate time; otherwise- if the state does not want to go through that process (of determining in writing, in advance of the issue), an election shall be held. I think the purpose of the by-law was not to dictate to the CC's (and SC) of the individual states how to run their project, but just to insure an orderly process was in place to keep the state going, in the event of a SC leaving. If this is a workable idea, then maybe some of us could get together to sponsor the amendment, (I believe it takes 5 states to sponsor an amendment) and have it put up for a vote. Of course, it would require some polishing before we presented it to the board, and if someone with better legalese than I have would care to rip it apart and sew it back together, it would not offend me at all. This is Kim, not wearing her board hat, but her NY SC hat. ====== No one seemed to interested in sponsoring, so it must be that people are either not aware, or are happy with the way things are. Kim (wearing her board hat now) Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:46:27 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7efdd0b7.364da5d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/98 3:35:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, essxbook@citrus.infi.net writes: > It appears Terry is retiring permanently. Anybody got any better info? I got a note from a mutual friend last night who is Terry's Colorado ASC. Terry appears to be in dire straits financially and will not be "back" until Spring sometime. It seems we now need a replacement SC Rep for NW/Plains, too... Ginger Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:53:06 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981114115306.008ef210@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:46 AM 11/14/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/98 3:35:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, >essxbook@citrus.infi.net writes: > >> It appears Terry is retiring permanently. Anybody got any better info? > >I got a note from a mutual friend last night who is Terry's Colorado ASC. >Terry appears to be in dire straits financially and will not be "back" until >Spring sometime. > >It seems we now need a replacement SC Rep for NW/Plains, too... > >Ginger > > Do we need to try and get an official resignation from her. I would feel more comfortable if we had it from her. Doesn't someone have her phone number? Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:21:33 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Do we need to try and get an official resignation from her. > I would feel more comfortable if we had it from her. > Doesn't someone have her phone number? Terry's telephone has been disconnected. It seems that has been the problem all along. She is fully aware that she will be replaced, both as SC in Colorado and as SC Rep, so that isn't a problem - at least from her. She had told me a while back that she might get "bumped offline" suddenly and that if she was gone too long we should replace her. I thought it was odd at the time, but after I heard their family was having deep financial troubles and their phone service had been cut, it all made more sense. (I'm sure she was too embarrassed to say anything to anyone about what was really happening.) I have Terry's mailing address but that's the only way to contact her. Ginger Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:27:26 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981114142726.007c03c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:21 PM 11/14/98 EST, FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: >> Do we need to try and get an official resignation from her. >> I would feel more comfortable if we had it from her. >> Doesn't someone have her phone number? Snip>>>>>>>>>> was really happening.) I have Terry's mailing address but that's the only way >to contact her. > Ginger Could you drop her a quick note on our behalf requesting a formal resignation and advising her that we will plan to replace her in the meantime. I would also like to have her address... privately. Thanks, Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ESSEX BOOKS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Tools for the New England researcher" VISIT US AT: http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 Phone (CC) Orders: 8 AM - 3 PM - Mon-Fri (352) 527-2270 Fax 24 hrs. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 18:20:14 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981114182014.008e1e60@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I thought it was odd at the time, but after I heard their family was having >deep financial troubles and their phone service had been cut, it all made more >sense. (I'm sure she was too embarrassed to say anything to anyone about what >was really happening.) I have Terry's mailing address but that's the only way >to contact her. > >Ginger > Okay, could we maybe send her a thank you note for her participation by mail, then? Or does anyone think that would be inappropriate? Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 20:55:38 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981114205538.007ac2e0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] [STATE-COORD-L] COGenWeb SC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:20 PM 11/14/98 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: > >Okay, could we maybe send her a thank you note for her >participation by mail, then? Or does anyone think that would >be inappropriate? > Ginger will write her and get a written resignation (that sounds cold but that's not the way it will be done.) I intended to write her thanking her and letting her know that we would be looking forward to her return to USGW in the future. We might consider a board resolution of "thanks and best wishes" if someone would like to put it together. Bob Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:39:31 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981116173931.007b7950@citrus.infi.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" With the temporary replacement of the SW/SC CC Rep out of the way, we need to immediately address plans for the coming election. I would appreciate Kay giving us an update on the status of the committee and if, ready, a report on the procedures to be followed. If Kay is not reay at this time, we can postpone this item to a (near) date that Kay can select. Meanwhile, I suggest that we consider ideas for a repalcement for Terry Davis. Bob Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:04:36 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > I suggest that we consider ideas for a repalcement for Terry Davis My suggestion would be Bill Oliver. He was the only other nominee for that position, and I think he came in just a vote or two behind Terry. I think he would also be interested in participating in the election for that position, since he had wanted it before. This is just my opinion, folks! I haven't heard from Debbie on the subject, so won't attempt to speak for her... Ginger Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:16:53 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981116191653.007c28d0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:32 PM 11/16/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Yes, but shouldn't we have a formal resignation in hand from Terry >before we do anything..? > >I think that Bill would be great! > We're working toward a consensus :>) As for Terry's written resignation that will take a few days, from Ginger to Terry and back. Meanwhile we resolve: is Bill a temorary or permanent appointment (I say the former.) Assuming temp do we have an election (along with the other two). We can have that all hashed out before we get Terry's resig. and before a motion goes to the 98 list. BTW, the 98 list is going to be replaced, for the Boards purposes, by a new list Board-Exec-L. Be available in a few days. Bob Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:21:51 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9cce6339.3650c19f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Meanwhile we > resolve: is Bill a temorary or permanent appointment (I say the former.) > Assuming temp do we have an election (along with the other two). Given the way the other replacement is being handled, I think if we did otherwise with this one we would be in for a LOT of problems. Better for all concerned to handle it the same, and add another "slot" to the election. Ginger Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:29:16 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981116192916.007c8950@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Time to roll up the sleeves Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:21 PM 11/16/98 EST, FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: >> Meanwhile we >> resolve: is Bill a temorary or permanent appointment (I say the former.) >> Assuming temp do we have an election (along with the other two). > >Given the way the other replacement is being handled, I think if we did >otherwise with this one we would be in for a LOT of problems. Better for all >concerned to handle it the same, and add another "slot" to the election. > >Ginger > Hopefully Ginger has a letter off or ready to go off to Terry. Meanwhile a joint motion from Ginger and Debbie (if they concur and feel the CCs would agree) is in order as soon as Terry replies. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:59:03 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811190001.QAA29899@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] SC list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Since I'm playing list mom today... I really think that we should consider adding the CC Reps and the SP reps to the SC list.. The CC reps as lurkers only..the SP reps as full members..as the SP are the equal of States under the Bylaws. It seems to me that it is very important for all of us to know what is being discussed on the SC list... (and I'm surprised that everyone isn't on it now..) Thanks, Kay Mason USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:29:50 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] SC list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > I really think that we should > consider adding the CC Reps and the SP reps to the SC list.. The > CC reps as lurkers only..the SP reps as full members..as the SP > are the equal of States under the Bylaws. > > It seems to me that it is very important for all of us to know what is > being discussed on the SC list YES!!!! With Terry 'gone' we are at a serious disadvantage! I would be thrilled for the chance to lurk quietly... Ginger Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:35:10 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981118193510.00957820@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] SC list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now, I really like that idea, a list on which I can't post! what a relief! At 03:59 PM 11/18/1998 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Since I'm playing list mom today... I really think that we should >consider adding the CC Reps and the SP reps to the SC list.. The >CC reps as lurkers only..the SP reps as full members..as the SP >are the equal of States under the Bylaws. > >It seems to me that it is very important for all of us to know what is >being discussed on the SC list... (and I'm surprised that everyone >isn't on it now..) > >Thanks, > >Kay Mason >USGenWeb Census Project >http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ >http://www.usgenweb.com/census >http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:05:25 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120080525.008d9a50@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L]Copy Right Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mornin. I would agree with your reply. Our policies are clearly against any copy right infringement. If this were materials being put into the archives, it would be removed immediately, then researched. Since it appears that it is on a county page, then I agree that the SC is the one who should get involved first. Jan At 06:46 PM 11/19/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I recieved the following from a CC. In my opinion there is, in all >probablity, a copyright issue here in addition an issue that is internal to >the state. > >I would propose answering as follows. >_______________________________________ > >"It appears that there is a question here of copyright infringement. The >USGenWeb Projects policies and by-laws are quite clear on the project's >attitude toward copyright infringement: > >***************************** > ARTICLE X. COPYRIGHT > >Section 1. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright of websites resides solely >with the creator of the web page(s). Their inclusion as part of The >USGenWeb Project does not give any irrevocable right, implied or otherwise, >to The USGenWeb Project to permanently use the material. > >Section 2. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data >submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The >submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that >The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such time >the submitter requests removal. > >Section 3. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to data contributed to any >special projects resides with the contributor, who agrees that The USGenWeb >Project, as a not-for-profit group, has permanent use of the data. The >permanent use agreement is conditional upon the non-profit nature of The >USGenWeb Project and will become null and void if The USGenWeb Project >should ever cease to be non-profit. > >Section 4. All members of The USGenWeb Project shall be responsible for >adhering to The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy which may be >found, along with further information about copyright, at The USGenWeb >Project national website, >http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. >***************************** >Of course this is national policy. I suggest that you discuss your problem >with your state coordinator and if you find that that does not resolve the >issue, you direct your problem to your Regional CC Representatives. >_____________________________________ > >I would appreciate the board's input. > >Bob > > > >Dear Sir Is it the policy of the USGenWeb to let the CC`s copy >several complete pages of queries of one County page (not GenWeb pages) >and post them on their GenWeb page. >I am talking about the same County and same State and not only queries >but Cem also > >If so I can then go into the USGenWeb Archives and copy the information >and build my on pages with this information. > >I know that their is nothing wrong with a link on a page to go to a >query page or a cem page. We all put links on our pages but we should >not steal other peoples work if we want to copy the information we >should ask it. > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:08:44 -0700 From: Jan Craven To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120080844.008fc440@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L]Copy right Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mornin again. As you can tell, I answer mail as I get to it. My position on the matter doesn't change. Copy right infringement with any of our sites must not be tollerated lest we tarnish our image. Jan. At 07:32 AM 11/20/1998 -0500, you wrote: >FYI > >After Bridgette's insightful analysis, (she reads, I skim) :>) It is >obvious that the complainant is not a CC. Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:44:35 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981120084435.011691b0@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Don E. Wright's Complaint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh, no! This is one of my former CC's. I removed him a few months ago because he would not answer emails from me after 3 months of trying, contacting a relative that took care of his county during an emergency earlier, etc. The relative replied, Don NEVER did. Don had not updated his queries for 6 months, then the day he was removed, he updated them. He has a "Timely File" on his page that is from Christmas LAST YEAR and was objected to for being "non-genealogical." He raised a big fuss because his RW account was reassigned and it was given back to him. Don was also removed from IL as a CC at the same time. He had 2 or more counties there. So, I would venture to guess that he is complaining about either AR or IL. I checked the AR county that replaced him and could not find a cemetery record. I didn't have time to check the queries, but will as soon as I get back from jury duty! We, the board, are going to be forced to make a decision regarding the "ownership" of queries placed on a county page. Do they belong to the county host or do they belong to the county?? This one issue needs to be resolved and a procedure established for counties that are involved in a "hostile" takeover. For the record, Don has STILL not contacted me, his SC. I sent him many notes begging him to contact me which I still have. Just wanted to let you know the history of this one! Betsy At 07:32 AM 11/20/98 -0500, you wrote: >FYI > >After Bridgette's insightful analysis, (she reads, I skim) :>) It is >obvious that the complainant is not a CC. > >In view of that I will send the following: > >"It appears that there could be a question here of copyright infringement. The >USGenWeb Projects policies are quite clear on the project's attitude toward >copyright infringement: > >They may be viewed at: > >http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. > >In as much as you have not provided any URLs etc. we have no way of viewing >the material involved. I would suggest that you contact the CC involved and >question the material. If that fails to resolve the problem you should >contact the State Coordinator for the state involved. > >Meanwhile, forwarding the URLs involved to me, would allow a review on the >national level should the USGenWeb Project National Advisory need to get >involved. > >__________________________________________________ >Original "complaint" > >From: "Don E. Wright" > >Dear Sir Is it the policy of the USGenWeb to let the CC`s copy >several complete pages of queries of one County page (not GenWeb pages) >and post them on their GenWeb page. >I am talking about the same County and same State and not only queries >but Cem also > >If so I can then go into the USGenWeb Archives and copy the information >and build my on pages with this information. > >I know that their is nothing wrong with a link on a page to go to a >query page or a cem page. We all put links on our pages but we should >not steal other peoples work if we want to copy the information we >should ask it. >__________________________________________________ > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:46:37 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811201654.IAA18969@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] CC Reps on SC list Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Since no one has objected.. what if I sub everyone -- Bob? Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:30:06 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120123006.007aead0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Don E. Wright's Complaint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 11/20/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >Oh, no! This is one of my former CC's. I removed him a few months ago >because he would not answer emails from me after 3 months of trying, He just lost 100 #s of sympathy... and there was only 50# available :>) Let's see what develops. Sounds like a troublemaker to me. As to queries, imho (note humility in lower case) :>) the query belongs to the submitter who; submitted it to the site to be displayed/distributed and therefore, belongs to the site NOT the CC. You don't get ownership for posting someone else's literary (I use the term loosely) output. If GPC publishes my book, I have the copyright, not them... they are simply a vehicle for distribution. Bob Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:34:52 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120123452.007c0d40@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] CC Reps on SC list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:46 AM 11/20/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Since no one has objected.. what if I sub everyone -- Bob? > >Kay in reading your 98-3 motion comments I notice you refer to "could be put on the "acceptx" for the list so that they could forward information to the committee." That, of course is post only, is there a "read only"? That would have less of a chance of upsetting some SC. No matter what we do someone will complain. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:25 -0800 From: "Bridgett Smith" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811201808.KAA18938@jubjub.wizard.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Executive Session -- Daily Board Show on USGenWeb-ALL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This was seen on the Daily Board Show on the USGenWeb-All list. >>> According to an anonymous source, the Board is likely to go with tradition and offer the position to the closest runner-up in the last election. We will, of course, keep you posted.<<< I thought that we were in Executive Session with C-98, which means that we can talk and discuss things freely. Nothing in Executive Session, according to RRoO, is to be announced outside of that session. Apparently someone on this list is leaking information and I do not appreciate this one bit. Please cease and desist. Bridgett Bridgett Smith SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region bascs@wizard.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:00:23 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2771e009.3655bc47@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Executive Session -- Daily Board Show on USGenWeb-ALL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >>> According to an anonymous source, the Board is likely to go > with tradition and offer the position to the closest runner-up in the > last election. We will, of course, keep you posted.<<< > > I thought that we were in Executive Session with C-98, which > means that we can talk and discuss things freely. Nothing in > Executive Session, according to RRoO, is to be announced outside > of that session. Apparently someone on this list is leaking > information and I do not appreciate this one bit. Please cease and > desist. > > Bridgett > Bridgett Smith > SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > I saw this too, and am equally upset and offended! Ginger Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:47:40 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981120144740.007c8c90@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Executive Session -- Daily Board Show on USGenWeb-ALL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:02 AM 11/20/98 -0800, Bridgett Smith wrote: >This was seen on the Daily Board Show on the USGenWeb-All list. > >>>> According to an anonymous source, the Board is likely to go >with tradition and offer the position to the closest runner-up in the >last election. We will, of course, keep you posted.<<< > >I thought that we were in Executive Session with C-98, which >means that we can talk and discuss things freely. Nothing in >Executive Session, according to RRoO, is to be announced outside >of that session. Apparently someone on this list is leaking >information and I do not appreciate this one bit. Please cease and >desist. > As I said in a message you all read the other day: "This closed list is used for discussions and information transfer. We discuss an issue and once we reach a relative consensus, someone proposes a motion to be placed on the board list. Assuming their is a second we then call for a vote. If their is further disagreement it is discussed HERE. The intent here is not to be secretive, but to keep our internal disagreements from appearing to be dissension on the board. We don't usually agree on something 100% at first but in most cases we do reach a common ground." It is very simple! ANYONE violating the sactity of this list will be unsubbed by the listowner... ME Case closed. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:10:05 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981120191005.03cc2880@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Don E. Wright's Complaint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:44 AM 11/20/1998 -0600, you wrote: >We, the board, are going to be forced to make a decision regarding the >"ownership" of queries placed on a county page. Do they belong to the >county host or do they belong to the county?? This one issue needs to be >resolved and a procedure established for counties that are involved in a >"hostile" takeover. Queries, IMO, belong to the submitter first of course, but also "belong" to the site, not the CC. I think we diefnitely need to be provided with URL's on this situation. Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:44:07 -0500 From: "Beth Wills" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01be1501$316f9760$44bb8ecf@default> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Devestated Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just when I was beginning to be comfortable about discussing things in executive session - I find out that things are not what they appear. Please, whoever is discussing our meetings with melrope - stop. Beth Wills bwills@ionia-mi.net USGenWeb National Advisory Board CC Rep Northeast/North Central Region Ionia County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~miionia Gladwin County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~migladwi Saginaw County MIGenWeb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~misagina/Saginaw.html Beth's Genealogy Research http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/research.htm Beth's Genealogy Home Page http://www.ionia-mi.net/~bwills/genealogy.htm Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:46:45 -0500 From: Yvonne James-Henderson To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3658CC95.B359F46A@idt.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone. I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I think the word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to Eric's level. Beth Wills wrote: > Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the > Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage snip>> Take care, Yvonne in Burke, VA Vive la USGenWeb Project! Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:08:19 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122220819.007c7d90@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: >Hi Everyone. > >I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I think the >word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to Eric's >level. > I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the National Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. Instead of: Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:16:20 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122211620.01235df0@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO Betsy At 10:08 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:46 PM 11/22/98 -0500, Yvonne James-Henderson wrote: >>Hi Everyone. >> >>I support Beth's amendment and I am probably way off base here, but I >think the >>word request here is a little strong. Doesn't that bring us down to Eric's >>level. >> >I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > >Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >National >Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > >Instead of: > >Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage > >PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > >Bob >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >Northeast/North Central Central Region >Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >-------------------------------------------------- >http://www.hertge.com/essex >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:26:20 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981122222620.007bf600@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO >Betsy > Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, please link to us. Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we are, as equals, approving such a link. I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) Bob >>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: >> >>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >>National >>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >> >>Instead of: >> >>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage >> >>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. >> >>Bob ate: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:25:29 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981122222529.007f1740@1starnet.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I respectfully disagree, but I don't guess we need to argue semantics. Just FYI, Eric's latest post included this item of interest: So you all know..... once the link has been placed my next place to look at will be the Board. Once there has been an agenda made for the remainder of the year for action to take and that action is moving along I will be happy to find other issues that will bring me to a more positive and happy way of doing things....... So, it isn't going to matter whether RW places the link or not, we are his next target!!! Start digging bunkers and get out the flak-jackets for everyone! ROTFL Betsy PS: "Amended" is the correct spelling of the word. At 10:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >>Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO >>Betsy >> >Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, >please link to us. >Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we >are, as equals, approving such a link. > >I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are >subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, >what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) > >Bob > >>>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to >>>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: >>> >>>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >>>National >>>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb >>>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. >>> >>>Instead of: >>> >>>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the >>>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb webpage >>> >>>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the >>>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. >>> >>>Bob > > Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:37:22 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3658E680.31FD6FFF@tri.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad ALL doesn't consider his "Agenda" Spam and filter him out Kathy Betsy Mills wrote: > I respectfully disagree, but I don't guess we need to argue semantics. > > Just FYI, Eric's latest post included this item of interest: > So you all know..... once the link has been placed my next place to look at > will > be the Board. Once there has been an agenda made for the remainder of the > year for action to take and that action is moving along I will be happy to > find other > issues that will bring me to a more positive and happy way of doing > things....... > > So, it isn't going to matter whether RW places the link or not, we are his > next target!!! Start digging bunkers and get out the flak-jackets for > everyone! ROTFL > > Betsy > > PS: "Amended" is the correct spelling of the word. > > At 10:26 PM 11/22/98 -0500, you wrote: > >At 09:16 PM 11/22/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: > >>Actually, it needs "request" not "approve" in the wording. IMHO > >>Betsy > >> > >Request, implies (rather strongly) that we are asking them to please, > >please link to us. > >Approve implies (equaly strongly) that we are not begging RW to link, we > >are, as equals, approving such a link. > > > >I repeat: We don't want to give the troops the impression that we are > >subservient to RW. (Respectful, thankful, eternally grateful... oh God, > >what would we do without them) but not subservient :>) > > > >Bob > > > >>>I guess I agree, we want to appear as equals and not subservient to > >>>RootsWeb May I suggest, Beth, that the following be worded: > >>> > >>>Due a number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as the > >>>National > >>>Advisory Board, approve of RootsWeb placing a link from the main RootsWeb > >>>web page to the USGenWeb Project main page. > >>> > >>>Instead of: > >>> > >>>Due to the number of requests by County Coordinators, I move that we, as > the > >>>Advisory Board, request Rootsweb place a link from the main Rootsweb > webpage > >>> > >>>PP note: If Beth rewords and Kathy approves, the above will repalce the > >>>previous motion. Then we can (if necessary) discuss that. > >>> > >>>Bob > > > > > > -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Missouri in the Civil War: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/index.html USGenWeb Missouri Civil War Links Central http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/mowar/USAlinks.html The Potawatomi Tribe Of Oklahoma: http://www.tri.net/~kheidel/nativeamer/index.html Clay County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/clay/index.html Dickinson County Kansas: http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/dickinso/index.html NEW! Missouri Civil War List To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: MO-CW-L-request@rootsweb.com or MOCW-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or unsubscribe Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:03:58 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123120358.007d0de0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:22 AM 11/23/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Folks - - Welcome to the USGW Board! This is what we went thru >last year.. I would suggest that we all unsub from ALL..and go >about our business.. > That is everyone's perogative. I for one like to see who is who and remain silent except in a case like meropes note to the board this AM which i think needed answering. I tried hard to talk down to her and put her in her place without appearing too antagonistic. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:03:31 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811231806.KAA32464@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] Xmas decorations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I just realised that I sent this only to Kathy..(sorry Kathy) IMO the Christmas decoration issue is strictly one for the individual CCs... and we should stay out of it.. We could suggest that she stay offline until after the holidays.. that way she would not run the chance of being offended. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:43:06 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981123134306.007db3c0@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Xmas decorations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:03 AM 11/23/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >I just realised that I sent this only to Kathy..(sorry Kathy) > >IMO the Christmas decoration issue is strictly one for the individual >CCs... and we should stay out of it.. > Some people have contacted me directly and they are all getting this as a reply: "My personal opinion is, that we have no right to dictate to the SCs, CCs or TCs what to put on their pages beyond that stated in the page guidelines. Some people may be equally offended by the LACK of holiday displays. Short of overt religious or political proselytizing ( and of course, illegal or pornographic material) it is none of our business. This will be my position on the National Advisory Board should the subject come up." bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:25:26 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981123182526.0433ab80@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Xmas decorations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Those who have written me are getting about the same response. By the way, my mail has been 100% in favor of CC's decorating as they choose and of the Board staying out of it. At 01:43 PM 11/23/1998 -0500, Bob wrote: >Some people have contacted me directly and they are all getting this as a >reply: > >"My personal opinion is, that we have no right to dictate to the SCs, CCs >or TCs what to put on their pages beyond that stated in the page guidelines. > >Some people may be equally offended by the LACK of holiday displays. Short >of overt religious or political proselytizing ( and of course, illegal or >pornographic material) it is none of our business. > >This will be my position on the National Advisory Board should the subject >come up." > >bob > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >Northeast/North Central Central Region >Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >-------------------------------------------------- >http://www.hertge.com/essex >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:17:13 -0500 From: Holly Timm To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981123191713.03b0d100@mail.bright.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] SC List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hmmmm, I lost track, whatever happened to getting subbed to the SC List? Holly Timm SE/MidAtlantic CC Representative Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 01:57:24 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981123015724.00918140@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Motion 98-9 Ammended Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:03 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 07:22 AM 11/23/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >>Folks - - Welcome to the USGW Board! This is what we went thru >>last year.. I would suggest that we all unsub from ALL..and go >>about our business.. >> >That is everyone's perogative. I for one like to see who is who and remain >silent except in a case like meropes note to the board this AM which i >think needed answering. I tried hard to talk down to her and put her in her >place without appearing too antagonistic. > >Bob > I for one am glad that being on the -all list is not a prerequisite. I would have to resign from everything for lack of time. As it is.... Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:23:17 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811241425.GAA14469@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] merope Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well, a quote from merope > 2. Local control of this project being lost by the CCs, where it > > belongs, and ending up invested in the Board, where it doesn't. Now why is she asking us to ban Christmas graphics? By doing that, she is asking us to take control of the CCs pages... Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:14:43 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981124101443.007be350@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Graphics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:23 AM 11/24/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >I'm on numerous lists as the Census rep.. and there has been no mention >of this on any of them.. > >The bottom line is that 90% of the CCs don't care what goes on the >ALL list...all they want to do is help other people with their >genealogy..not fuss & fight & scream on the ALL list. > This is what I keep saying but I think the % is higher :>) On ALL they just keep talking to themselves. Bob Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:16:37 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981124101637.007be350@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] merope Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:23 AM 11/24/98 -0800, Kay Mason wrote: >Well, a quote from merope > > >> 2. Local control of this project being lost by the CCs, where it > >> belongs, and ending up invested in the Board, where it doesn't. > >Now why is she asking us to ban Christmas graphics? By doing >that, she is asking us to take control of the CCs pages... > Maybe someone will point it out to her... NOT us. Bob Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:41:46 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981124174146.007b8d20@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:49 PM 11/24/97 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: > >I'm not sure about this. Since Terry is/was a SC rep, >and since she is no longer a SC, is this a problem? > 1. She was elected to te board while an SC 2. She is now an ASC 3. The BL say simply that a NOMINEE must be an SC. Nothing about retaining that position. 4. There is no reason to throw her off the board because has status has changed. She is still involved in managing a state. 5. Suppose (in the future) all states hold elections, out of sync with the national (FL will.) Will the board APPOINT their choice for all who do not get re-elected, overridding the vote of the CCs/SCs in the national election. 6. 5 above is a dangerous precedent. Bob ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:57:53 -0500 From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971124175753.00932780@mail.eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:41 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:49 PM 11/24/97 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: >> >>I'm not sure about this. Since Terry is/was a SC rep, >>and since she is no longer a SC, is this a problem? Thank you for the clarification on this. I was thinking back to when I was on the board (Bob did you replace me?), and stepped down as SC for a time (other obligations). My sabbatical only lasted 3 months, but when I gave up the SC of NY, I also gave up my position on the board. I'm not sure whether it was because (I felt) they were tied, or whether it also had to do with the obligations of fulltime job, fulltime student, fulltime mother of 4, etc, etc. Anyway, I don't have a problem with Terry coming back, I was just curious how it worked. >1. She was elected to te board while an SC >2. She is now an ASC >3. The BL say simply that a NOMINEE must be an SC. Nothing about retaining >that position. >4. There is no reason to throw her off the board because has status has >changed. She is still involved in managing a state. >5. Suppose (in the future) all states hold elections, out of sync with the >national (FL will.) Will the board APPOINT their choice for all who do not >get re-elected, overridding the vote of the CCs/SCs in the national election. >6. 5 above is a dangerous precedent. > >Bob > > > > > > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >Northeast/North Central Central Region >Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >-------------------------------------------------- >http://www.hertge.com/essex >e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net > P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 > (352) 527-2270 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Kim Harris Myers estral@switchboard.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board Visit the November County of the Month: Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:06:28 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981124180628.007bd690@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Problem Resolved???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:57 PM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 05:41 PM 11/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 03:49 PM 11/24/97 -0500, estral@switchboard.net wrote: >>> >>>I'm not sure about this. Since Terry is/was a SC rep, >>>and since she is no longer a SC, is this a problem? > >Thank you for the clarification on this. I was thinking >back to when I was on the board (Bob did you replace me?), No I was CC Rep, George replaced you. >and stepped down as SC for a time (other obligations). My >sabbatical only lasted 3 months, but when I gave up the SC of NY, >I also gave up my position on the board. > That was before BL and it was also early on. We made lots of decisions on the fly. many times not necessarily with the future precedents/ramifications in mind. (see 5 and 6 below) >or whether it also had to do with the obligations of fulltime >job, fulltime student, fulltime mother of 4, etc, etc. > If that is all you had on your plate, you had no reason to resign :>) >Anyway, I don't have a problem with Terry coming back, >I was just curious how it worked. > Verrrryyyy technically she never left. We never did recieve a resignation :>) >>1. She was elected to te board while an SC >>2. She is now an ASC >>3. The BL say simply that a NOMINEE must be an SC. Nothing about retaining >>that position. >>4. There is no reason to throw her off the board because has status has >>changed. She is still involved in managing a state. >>5. Suppose (in the future) all states hold elections, out of sync with the >>national (FL will.) Will the board APPOINT their choice for all who do not >>get re-elected, overridding the vote of the CCs/SCs in the national election. >>6. 5 above is a dangerous precedent. >> >>Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) >>USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: >>Northeast/North Central Central Region >>Florida GenWeb Advisory Board >>County Coordinator Essex, County, MA >>County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL >>Town Coordinator Newbury, MA >>Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA >>-------------------------------------------------- >>http://www.hertge.com/essex >>e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net >> P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 >> (352) 527-2270 >> >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> >Kim Harris Myers >estral@switchboard.net > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb NYGenweb Coordinator >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Cattaraugus Co, NY >http://www.rootsweb.com/~idlemhi Lemhi Co, Idaho > >NE & NC Region SC rep USGenweb Advisory Board > >Visit the November County of the Month: >Tompkins County: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytompki > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ USGenWeb National Coordinator (Interim) USGenWeb County Coordinator Representative: Northeast/North Central Central Region Florida GenWeb Advisory Board County Coordinator Essex, County, MA County Coordinator Citrus, County, FL Town Coordinator Newbury, MA Town Coordinator Newburyport, MA -------------------------------------------------- http://www.hertge.com/essex e-mail: essxbook@citrus.infi.net P.O. Box 811 Lecanto, FL 34460-0811 (352) 527-2270 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:39:11 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811242341.PAA00391@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] SC qualifications Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The following is what the Bylaws say..so, it looks like anyone who has been at least a CC or TC for a year is eligible to be anything.. Anyway, we had ASCs run for the SC office in the last election..FWIW Kay Section 9. Nominees for National Coordinator shall have the following qualifications: at least one year (the twelve months immediately preceding an election) of continuous service and current activity as a member in good standing, and eligibility to vote within The USGenWeb Project. Qualifications of nominees for State Coordinator Representative, Local Coordinator Representative, and Special Project Representative are the same with the addition that their service shall have been as a State Coordinator, Local Coordinator, or one of the various positions associated with the Special Projects, respectively. "In good standing" is demonstrated by responding promptly to email, actively supporting researchers' efforts to find information, maintaining their website with appropriate, up-to-date content, and serving as a good example of the guidelines and standards of The USGenWeb Project. USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:06:28 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <653eeea6.3640b3c4@aol.com> Subject: [Campaign98-L] NW/Plains SC Rep Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, I just got a message from one of the Colorado ASC's who is a friend of mine. She says Terry Davis will be offline for several weeks at least, as her computer had a major meltdown. Colorado will be maintained by the 2 ASC's so that shouldn't be a problem, but wanted to offer an explanation as to why she isn't subbed here, as I know she would want to be. Ginger Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:44:52 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199811270247.SAA01232@mail.networkone.net> Subject: [Campaign98-L] lists Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bob, I left the two of us on this list.. Kay USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:14:52 EST From: To: Campaign98-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9d13b148.36410a1c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Campaign98-L] Re: What about Terry? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim, > What about Terry? Forgot you weren't subbed here yet! (Sorry!) Terry had a massive computer meltdown last night and sent word that it may be several weeks before she can get back online. So, for the moment, NW/Plains is just me :-( (At this rate, I'm gonna get a complex for sure) Ginger