From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 06:26:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA06516 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08286 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 071323C20E; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:26:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f256.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.131]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336373C1CC for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:26:33 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.231 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:26:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.231] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Motion 00-36 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:26:33 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 11:26:33.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[12D5F1E0:01C04FC0] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Teresa; I am happy hearing this. Which means the time for disbanding our team has finally come. I have enjoyed every minute of it and will be sorry to see it go. Sincerely, Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: merope Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Motion 00-36 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:20:15 -0500 (EST) Hi guys, Motion 00-36 has passed! This was the motion to accept and implement our report. The final vote count was 9 for and 4 against. So, hopefully, within 30 days we will finally have a standing EC. Good work everyone! -Teresa _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 06:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07896 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11315 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 53F7E3C1F8; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D93C1EF for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.39]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001116115407.YEVY5278.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:54:07 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001116070003.00d06100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:00:41 -0600 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Vote Results Motion 00-36; 00-37 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: thought you all would like to know.... >Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:02:12 -0500 >From: Tim Stowell >Subject: [BOARD-L] Vote Results Motion 00-36; 00-37 >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > >On Motion 00-36 - Acceptance of the ESC's report: > >Yes - 9; No - 4; Abstain - 0; Not Voting - 2 > >Motion passes. > > >Tim _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 08:33:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15085 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25115 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 84B643C216; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:45 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8A43C20E for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (sdn-ar-002oktulsP269.dialsprint.net [168.191.182.199]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03979 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:33:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <036101c04fd1$a64b8460$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:31:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Hang around? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Didn't Holly ask us to hang around and perhaps discuss some other problems? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Esse Frye To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Motion 00-36 > Teresa; > > I am happy hearing this. Which means the time for disbanding our team has > finally come. I have enjoyed every minute of it and will be sorry to see it > go. > Sincerely, > Esse > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: merope > Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > To: esc@pairlist.net > Subject: [ESC] Motion 00-36 > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:20:15 -0500 (EST) > > > Hi guys, > > Motion 00-36 has passed! This was the motion to accept and implement our > report. The final vote count was 9 for and 4 against. So, hopefully, > within 30 days we will finally have a standing EC. > > Good work everyone! > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 10:07:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24179 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13086 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 49E773C25E; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F983C228 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port44.jxn.netdoor.com [208.137.132.44]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18086 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:07:51 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001116090602.02127bd0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:09:21 -0600 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? In-Reply-To: References: <036101c04fd1$a64b8460$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A This has been such a super group that I hate to see it break up - for the first time since adopting the counties I feel something really positive for the future of the Project because of y'all, and am so grateful to Holly for letting me be involved - but now I do not want it to end. Carol C-H (sad) At 07:36 AM 11/16/2000, you wrote: >On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Didn't Holly ask us to hang around and perhaps discuss some other problems? > >Yep, but since the report has been accepted, we may not be needed anymore. >I'm certainly willing to hang around while they set up the EC in case >they need any further insight into the report. > >In any case, its either up to the Board or Holly to disband the committee >and dismiss us. > >-Teresa > angling for one last donut > > > > > Linda > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 16:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05557 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23519 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60F5E3C156; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:44 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADC63C128 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.150.184.dlls.grid.net [63.52.150.184]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15993 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:03:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03bb01c05010$8f22df60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:40:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A DEAR GOD !!!! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > This has been such a super group that I hate to see it break up - for the > > first time since adopting the counties I feel something really positive for > > the future of the Project because of y'all, and am so grateful to Holly for > > letting me be involved - but now I do not want it to end. > > We could all volunteer for the new EC. > > -Teresa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 16:43:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09893 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01823 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9C67F3C17B; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:43:43 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3CA3C132 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.150.184.dlls.grid.net [63.52.150.184]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25831 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:43:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03c801c05016$28df4f80$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:42:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: RIGHT - about when snowballs dance in you know where would the AB let me get my hands on that committee ! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > DEAR GOD !!!! > > Aw, and I was all ready to suggest you be the Chair. > > -Teresa > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 17:57:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23730 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16675 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7305B3C162; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6F63C13C for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.16]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001116225706.RTWK5278.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:57:06 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001116180003.00c25970@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:03:40 -0600 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? In-Reply-To: References: <036101c04fd1$a64b8460$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 08:36 AM 11/16/00 -0500, merope wrote: >On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > Didn't Holly ask us to hang around and perhaps discuss some other problems? >Yep, but since the report has been accepted, we may not be needed anymore. >I'm certainly willing to hang around while they set up the EC in case >they need any further insight into the report. > >In any case, its either up to the Board or Holly to disband the committee >and dismiss us. > >-Teresa > angling for one last donut I guess at this point the committee is not exactly disbanded but it is *at ease* and those who wish to depart may do so but any pr all of you are welcome to hang around the donut platter . I do plan to officially disband when the SEC is implemented. Just accepting the report does not unfortunately mean a great deal . Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 18:19:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26306 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20737 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EF5133C162; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:19:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f186.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.186]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3DC3C14F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:19:03 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.138 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:19:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.138] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:19:02 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 23:19:03.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B8B29C0:01C05023] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Linda; I thought we were supposed to hang around and answer any questions that the board would have in regards to our report. Once the report was accepted by the Board at large, it looks like our job is done. Course, I may be wrong. (!!) Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:31:50 -0600 Didn't Holly ask us to hang around and perhaps discuss some other problems? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Esse Frye To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Motion 00-36 > Teresa; > > I am happy hearing this. Which means the time for disbanding our team has > finally come. I have enjoyed every minute of it and will be sorry to see it > go. > Sincerely, > Esse > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: merope > Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > To: esc@pairlist.net > Subject: [ESC] Motion 00-36 > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:20:15 -0500 (EST) > > > Hi guys, > > Motion 00-36 has passed! This was the motion to accept and implement our > report. The final vote count was 9 for and 4 against. So, hopefully, > within 30 days we will finally have a standing EC. > > Good work everyone! > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 18:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26445 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20974 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DC97B3C162; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:20:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f8.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.8]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DD23C14F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:20:25 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.138 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:20:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.138] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:20:24 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 23:20:25.0091 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC78A530:01C05023] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Uh huh! Now we know why you have hung around....You and your donuts! (Grin!) Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: merope Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:36:50 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > Didn't Holly ask us to hang around and perhaps discuss some other problems? Yep, but since the report has been accepted, we may not be needed anymore. I'm certainly willing to hang around while they set up the EC in case they need any further insight into the report. In any case, its either up to the Board or Holly to disband the committee and dismiss us. -Teresa angling for one last donut > > Linda _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 18:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA27047 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22404 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2DA6E3C1A0; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:27:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.131]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA753C14F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:27:06 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.138 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:27:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.138] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:27:06 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 23:27:06.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBA45E10:01C05024] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: GOOD IDEA! TERESA.... ----Original Message Follows---- From: merope Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:10:06 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > This has been such a super group that I hate to see it break up - for the > first time since adopting the counties I feel something really positive for > the future of the Project because of y'all, and am so grateful to Holly for > letting me be involved - but now I do not want it to end. We could all volunteer for the new EC. -Teresa > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 16 18:28:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA27129 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22680 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7309E3C1A0; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:49 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f201.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.201]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A37C3C14F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:28:47 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.138 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:28:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.138] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2000 23:28:47.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[F80B2AA0:01C05024] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I nominate Linda Davenport as president of our EC committee. Do I hear a second? Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:42:37 -0600 RIGHT - about when snowballs dance in you know where would the AB let me get my hands on that committee ! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Hang around? > > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > DEAR GOD !!!! > > Aw, and I was all ready to suggest you be the Chair. > > -Teresa > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Nov 30 19:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08388 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05157 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 122D93C38C; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39493C3A4 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id e.a0.cb5ce5f (664); Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:37:05 EST To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com Cc: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.cb5ce5f.27584cb1_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Standing Election subCommittee Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: --part1_a0.cb5ce5f.27584cb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ESC has shown the USGenWeb Project that when issues arise, gathering together individuals to work together towards solutions does indeed bring the project together. They have set before the project, through action and deed, the benefit of teamwork and compromise. A lesson that when all is said and done, will serve the USGenWeb Project well. Passage of Motion 00-36 ESC report, requires the seating of a Standing Election Committee. The paragraphs quoted below are from the ESC report that was accepted by this Board to be implemented. The entire report can be found at http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html The first step is publication on the National Webpage, STATE-COORD, USGENWEB-ALL, USGW-CC-L, USGENWEB-DISCUSS, the Special Projects mailing lists, the regional mailing lists, and any other avenue appropriate to reach the most volunteers including, but not limited to, a personal e-mail to each project volunteer, a brief overview of the formation of an EC and a request for volunteers for such committee. Let's get this very important email written and sent to the Project! Tina "The Advisory Board shall publish on the National Webpage, STATE- COORD, USGENWEB-ALL, USGW-CC-L, USGENWEB-DISCUSS, the Special Projects mailing lists, the regional mailing lists, and any other avenue appropriate to reach the most volunteers including, but not limited to, a personal e-mail to each project volunteer, a brief overview of the formation of an EC and a request for volunteers for such committee. >From the list of volunteers the Advisory Board shall select a temporary chairperson of the committee. The chairperson shall select from the volunteer pool volunteers to fill the following positions: Two volunteers from each region, two volunteers from the Special Projects (as a group and not two volunteers for each special project) and two volunteers to represent the "at large" region for a total of 12 Standing Election Committee members. This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board for approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to "pick and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory Board disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory Board shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be repeated. Replacement of EC members due to end of term shall be handled in the same manner as above. For members who need to be replaced within the term due to resignation or continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be chosen from the volunteer pool by the EC committee thru a majority vote. This majority opinion will be forwarded to the Advisory Board for final approval or disapproval. If deemed necessary by the EC and approved by the Advisory Board, the EC may take on additional workers (as opposed to committee members) during actual election periods which shall be defined as the time from nominations through final vote count although it is the opinion of this committee that such additional workers would probably not be necessary. The selection of the EC Chair and the EC Publicist-Secretary will be made by secret ballot sent to the National Coordinator and the Advisory Board's Representative-At-Large for counting and verification. Since the terms for the EC and the terms for the Advisory Board and the regular election are not the same time period there should be no difficulty in conducting simple email votes for EC Chair and Publicist-Secretary. Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office. EC members who decide to run for office must immediately withdraw from the EC and its mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator and the Representative-At-Large. Should both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until after the election." --part1_a0.cb5ce5f.27584cb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ESC has shown the USGenWeb Project that when issues arise,
gathering together individuals to work together towards solutions does
indeed bring the project together.  They have set before the project,
through action and deed, the benefit of teamwork and compromise.  A
lesson that when all is said and done, will serve the USGenWeb Project
well.

Passage of Motion 00-36 ESC report, requires the seating of a Standing
Election Committee.  The paragraphs quoted below are from the ESC
report that was accepted by this Board to be implemented.  The entire
report can be found at http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html

The first step is publication on the National Webpage, STATE-COORD,
USGENWEB-ALL, USGW-CC-L, USGENWEB-DISCUSS, the Special Projects
mailing lists, the regional mailing lists, and any other avenue
appropriate to reach the most volunteers including, but not limited
to, a personal e-mail to each project volunteer, a brief overview of
the formation of an EC and a request for volunteers for such committee.

Let's get this very important email written and sent to the Project!

Tina


"The Advisory Board shall publish on the National Webpage, STATE-
COORD, USGENWEB-ALL, USGW-CC-L, USGENWEB-DISCUSS, the Special Projects
mailing lists, the regional mailing lists, and any other avenue
appropriate to reach the most volunteers including, but not limited
to, a personal e-mail to each project volunteer, a brief overview of
the formation of an EC and a request for volunteers for such committee.

From the list of volunteers the Advisory Board shall select a
temporary chairperson of the committee. The chairperson shall select
from the volunteer pool volunteers to fill the following positions:
Two volunteers from each region, two volunteers from the Special
Projects (as a group and not two volunteers for each special project)
and two volunteers to represent the "at large" region for a total of
12 Standing Election Committee members.

This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board
for approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed
to "pick and choose" any individual committee member. Should the
Advisory Board disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then
the Advisory Board shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the
process shall be repeated.

Replacement of EC members due to end of term shall be handled in the
same manner as above. For members who need to be replaced within the
term due to resignation or continuing non-responsiveness, a new member
shall be chosen from the volunteer pool by the EC committee thru a
majority vote. This majority opinion will be forwarded to the Advisory
Board for final approval or disapproval.

If deemed necessary by the EC and approved by the Advisory Board, the
EC may take on additional workers (as opposed to committee members)
during actual election periods which shall be defined as the time from
nominations through final vote count although it is the opinion of
this committee that such additional workers would probably not be
necessary.

The selection of the EC Chair and the EC Publicist-Secretary will be
made by secret ballot sent to the National Coordinator and the
Advisory Board's Representative-At-Large for counting and
verification. Since the terms for the EC and the terms for the
Advisory Board and the regular election are not the same time period
there should be no difficulty in conducting simple email votes for EC
Chair and Publicist-Secretary.

Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for
membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office. EC
members who decide to run for office must immediately withdraw from
the EC and its mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator
and the Representative-At-Large. Should both of them choose to run for
office, they shall together select another Board member who is not
currently running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC
until after the election."

--part1_a0.cb5ce5f.27584cb1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Dec 5 21:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA08165 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17578 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BE153670; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:51:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B52A53657 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.de.d4d7622 (4155) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_de.d4d7622.275f0373_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Subject: [ESC] Draft to the Project Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:50:27 EST Status: RO X-Status: A --part1_de.d4d7622.275f0373_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone... Too late for donuts, but never late for coffee and pie.. You all still here? I volunteered to draft the note to the Project recruiting volunteers.. I figure, a couple of cups of coffee and blueberry pie should suffice to make it just right! Warm with ice cream, I pass Holly the scoop :-) Tina _______ Formation of Standing Election Committee. The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve on the Standing Election Committee! Come one, come all! The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html The report details the formation, duties, and goals of this very important committee within the USGenWeb Project. If you are interested in participating on this committee, please contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net --part1_de.d4d7622.275f0373_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone...

Too late for donuts, but never late for coffee and pie.. You all still
here?  <g>

I volunteered to draft the note to the Project recruiting
volunteers.. I figure, a couple of cups of coffee and blueberry pie
should suffice to make it just right!  Warm with ice cream, I pass
Holly the scoop :-)

Tina
_______

Formation of Standing Election Committee.

The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve
on the Standing Election Committee!  Come one, come all! <g>

The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study
Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit
http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html   

The report details the formation, duties, and goals of this very
important committee within the USGenWeb Project.

If you are interested in participating on this committee, please
contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND
Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net --part1_de.d4d7622.275f0373_boundary-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 6 17:30:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05012 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26403 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB66535CE; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:30:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014A1535CE for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.223]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001206222910.BCCR12897.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:29:10 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001206173516.04e8aeb0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Draft to the Project In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 17:36:08 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 08:07 AM 12/6/00 -0500, merope wrote: >Rather than direct people to the ESC report I suggest including a _brief_ >description of the "job" requirements, including that all project members >are eligible to serve, terms are for two years, duties will include >keeping updated voter lists, researching election software, etc. Doesn't >hve to be a lot of detail, just enough to ensure that people who read the >announcement know what they are in for Then direct them to the ESC >report for more detailed information. excellent thoughts Theresa... sort of sum it up without all the fine print > > > > If you are interested in participating on this committee, please > > contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND > > Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net > > > >Good work! And thanks for volunteering to take this on. > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 6 17:36:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05632 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27511 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7035A535D4; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:36:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223775352A for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (sdn-ar-003oktulsP303.dialsprint.net [158.252.185.41]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05439 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:35:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <022001c05fd4$bc3b9220$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Draft to the Project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C05FA0.FF32CFA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:24:24 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C05FA0.FF32CFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tina: I'm still around just been busy making Christmas web pages = (stop by one and all addresses are below). I like Teresa's idea. I had hoped the e-mail would include a bit of = detail. Thanks for taking this on BTW ! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" = at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TVick65536@aol.com=20 To: esc@pairlist.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:50 PM Subject: [ESC] Draft to the Project Hi everyone...=20 Too late for donuts, but never late for coffee and pie.. You all still = here? =20 I volunteered to draft the note to the Project recruiting=20 volunteers.. I figure, a couple of cups of coffee and blueberry pie=20 should suffice to make it just right! Warm with ice cream, I pass=20 Holly the scoop :-)=20 Tina=20 _______=20 Formation of Standing Election Committee.=20 The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve=20 on the Standing Election Committee! Come one, come all! =20 The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study=20 Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit=20 http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html =20 The report details the formation, duties, and goals of this very=20 important committee within the USGenWeb Project.=20 If you are interested in participating on this committee, please=20 contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND = Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C05FA0.FF32CFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tina: I'm still around just been busy making Christmas web pages = (stop=20 by one and all <g> addresses are below).
 
I like Teresa's idea. I had hoped the e-mail would include a bit of = detail.
 
Thanks for taking this on BTW !

Linda
 
lhaasdav@mindspring.com
Ho= me.page =20 http://homepages.rootsweb.co= m/~haas
Marion.Co.AR =20 http://www.rootsweb.com/~armar= ion
List=20 hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n = n.c
Interested in=20 Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at
http://www.builder= books.com/bbstore/index.icl
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TVick65536@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, = 2000 8:50=20 PM
Subject: [ESC] Draft to the = Project

Hi everyone...

Too late for donuts, = but never=20 late for coffee and pie.. You all still
here?  <g> =

I=20 volunteered to draft the note to the Project recruiting =
volunteers.. I=20 figure, a couple of cups of coffee and blueberry pie
should = suffice to=20 make it just right!  Warm with ice cream, I pass
Holly the = scoop :-)=20

Tina
_______

Formation of Standing Election = Committee.=20

The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers = to serve=20
on the Standing Election Committee!  Come one, come all! = <g>=20

The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study=20
Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit=20
http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html    =

The=20 report details the formation, duties, and goals of this very =
important=20 committee within the USGenWeb Project.

If you are interested = in=20 participating on this committee, please
contact Tim Stowell=20 tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND
Holly Timm,=20 Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C05FA0.FF32CFA0-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 6 17:28:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04756 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:28:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25989 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E840B535CE; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:28:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8F4535F8 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.3c.48851d9 (16489) for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:27:18 -0500 (EST) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.48851d9.27601746@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Draft to the Project To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.48851d9.27601746_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:27:18 EST Status: RO X-Status: A --part1_3c.48851d9.27601746_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/00 8:08:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > Rather than direct people to the ESC report I suggest including a _brief_ > description of the "job" requirements, including that all project members > are eligible to serve, terms are for two years, duties will include > keeping updated voter lists, researching election software, etc. Doesn't > hve to be a lot of detail, just enough to ensure that people who read the > announcement know what they are in for Then direct them to the ESC > report for more detailed information. > > Thanks Theresa! I will forward this on to the board later this evening, unless I hear anymore suggestions from any of you. Tina ____ Formation of Standing Election Committee. The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve on the Standing Election Committee! This subCommittee will operate year round and members serve a two-year term. Representative duties of the subCommittee include conducting all national level elections; maintaining current voter rolls; and researching voter software. The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html for more details of this very important committee within the USGenWeb Project. If you are interested in participating on this committee, please contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net --part1_3c.48851d9.27601746_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/00 8:08:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, merope@Radix.Net
writes:


Rather than direct people to the ESC report I suggest including a _brief_
description of the "job" requirements, including that all project members
are eligible to serve, terms are for two years, duties will include
keeping updated voter lists, researching election software, etc.  Doesn't
hve to be a lot of detail, just enough to ensure that people who read the
announcement know what they are in for <g>  Then direct them to the ESC
report for more detailed information.  


Thanks Theresa!  I will forward this on to the board later this evening,
unless I hear anymore suggestions from any of you.

Tina
____


Formation of Standing Election Committee.

The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve
on the Standing Election Committee!

This subCommittee will operate year round and members serve a
two-year term. Representative duties of the subCommittee include
conducting all national level elections; maintaining current voter
rolls; and researching voter software.

The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study
Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit
http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html for more details of this
very important committee within the USGenWeb Project.

If you are interested in participating on this committee, please
contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND
Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net --part1_3c.48851d9.27601746_boundary-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 6 23:28:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06855 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26030 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7B153586; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:28:25 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB8053586 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:27:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id e.bd.996531f (16489); Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com Cc: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.996531f.27606bb4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Subject: [ESC] DRAFT - Formation of Standing Election Committee. Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 23:27:32 EST Status: RO X-Status: --part1_bd.996531f.27606bb4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok.. here is a draft.. speak one, speak all . I strongly urge that this email be posted to appropriate lists and as stated in the report to the National Web page. Pam, if you need anything, give a yell. Tina ____ The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve on the Standing Election Committee! This subCommittee will operate year round and members serve a two-year term. Representative duties of the subCommittee include conducting all national level elections; maintaining current voter rolls; and researching voter software. The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html for more details of this very important committee within the USGenWeb Project. If you are interested in participating on this committee, please contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net by December 22, 2000. _____ --part1_bd.996531f.27606bb4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok.. here is a draft.. speak one, speak all <g>.  I strongly urge that
this email be posted to appropriate lists and as stated in the report
to the National Web page.  Pam, if you need anything, give a yell.

Tina

____  

The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board is recruiting volunteers to serve
on the Standing Election Committee!

This subCommittee will operate year round and members serve a
two-year term. Representative duties of the subCommittee include
conducting all national level elections; maintaining current voter
rolls; and researching voter software.

The Advisory Board, along with members of the Election Study
Committee, encourage all USGenWeb Project members to visit
http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html for more details of this
very important committee within the USGenWeb Project.

If you are interested in participating on this committee, please
contact Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND
Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net by December 22, 2000.

_____ --part1_bd.996531f.27606bb4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 13 18:38:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04566 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22034 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAEB53583; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:38:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FC55353D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.232]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001213233715.KJZQ26159.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:37:15 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213184318.03e9a100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ESC] clarification wanted Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:44:23 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: a question from Teri Petit asks in reply to something I said quoting the ESC Report >At 11:58 PM -0000 12/13/00, Holly Timm wrote: > >"This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board for > >approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to "pick > >and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory Board > >disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory Board > >shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be repeated." > >Holly, > >Can we get some clarification from the ESC as to whether it is intended >that the Board motion for approval or disapproval should be phrased >such that a "Yes" vote approves the slate, or such that a "Yes" vote >rejects it (thereby requiring 2/3 dissatisfaction to force a return >to the drawing board)? I imagine more likely the former, but since >the Report doesn't specify either way, it could depend on the whim >of the first person to submit a motion about it. > >-- Teri _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 13 19:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA07728 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01449 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403A5358B; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:12:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB225353D for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-7.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.7]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06853 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:12:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01c06562$0d5a5c80$072b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213184318.03e9a100@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:08:53 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I would say that it would be like any other "motion" before the AB. Either accept it by voting yes, or not accept it by voting no. If it passed or failed would be determined if a quorum voted or 2/3rds passed it. >From someone in the southern midwest, this is a snow day! As I look out my window, I can see two cars sideways in the street. They've been there all day, and I don't know when a tow truck can get out here in the boonies to pull them out. Snow is almost up to the handles on my small truck and well past the running boards on my van. My german shepherd dog went outside, and sunk in the snow. I had to follow her chain to find her. LOL! Stay warm! Anyone wanna make hot chocolate? Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:44 PM Subject: [ESC] clarification wanted > a question from Teri Petit asks in reply to something I said quoting the > ESC Report > > >At 11:58 PM -0000 12/13/00, Holly Timm wrote: > > >"This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board for > > >approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to "pick > > >and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory Board > > >disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory Board > > >shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be repeated." > > > >Holly, > > > >Can we get some clarification from the ESC as to whether it is intended > >that the Board motion for approval or disapproval should be phrased > >such that a "Yes" vote approves the slate, or such that a "Yes" vote > >rejects it (thereby requiring 2/3 dissatisfaction to force a return > >to the drawing board)? I imagine more likely the former, but since > >the Report doesn't specify either way, it could depend on the whim > >of the first person to submit a motion about it. > > > >-- Teri > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 13 19:53:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11749 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11958 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661253CFF; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:42:18 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA69153839 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.232]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001214004021.KXNC26159.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:40:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213194132.00bfdc60@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted In-Reply-To: <000b01c06562$0d5a5c80$072b95d0@youda> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213184318.03e9a100@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:47:30 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A At 06:08 PM 12/13/00 -0600, Carol wrote: >I would say that it would be like any other "motion" before the AB. Either >accept it by voting yes, or not accept it by voting no. If it passed or >failed would be determined if a quorum voted or 2/3rds passed it. The point Teri was making previous to this was that as few as 4 board members have been able to hamstring the board and it's decisions because of the 2/3 majority thing. Soooo... depending on phrasing you can make it easier or harder to get something done. For example, a straightforward motion to approve can be defeated by 4 people... but, if you phrase it in reverse (and my brain refuses to phrase backwards tonight ) it is easier to get it actually approved. I know, twisted logic, perhaps we should have stated simple majority but hindsight is 20/20 > From someone in the southern midwest, this is a snow day! As I look out my >window, I can see two cars sideways in the street. They've been there all >day, and I don't know when a tow truck can get out here in the boonies to >pull them out. Snow is almost up to the handles on my small truck and well >past the running boards on my van. My german shepherd dog went outside, and >sunk in the snow. I had to follow her chain to find her. LOL! Stay warm! >Anyone wanna make hot chocolate? > >Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Holly Timm" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:44 PM >Subject: [ESC] clarification wanted > > > > a question from Teri Petit asks in reply to something I said quoting the > > ESC Report > > > > >At 11:58 PM -0000 12/13/00, Holly Timm wrote: > > > >"This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board >for > > > >approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to >"pick > > > >and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory Board > > > >disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory Board > > > >shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be >repeated." > > > > > >Holly, > > > > > >Can we get some clarification from the ESC as to whether it is intended > > >that the Board motion for approval or disapproval should be phrased > > >such that a "Yes" vote approves the slate, or such that a "Yes" vote > > >rejects it (thereby requiring 2/3 dissatisfaction to force a return > > >to the drawing board)? I imagine more likely the former, but since > > >the Report doesn't specify either way, it could depend on the whim > > >of the first person to submit a motion about it. > > > > > >-- Teri > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Dec 13 23:20:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02318 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04741 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97B753775; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:19:39 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2FB53787 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (208-149-44-165.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.165]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29661 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:18:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000b01c06584$8074ca80$a52c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213184318.03e9a100@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001213194132.00bfdc60@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:15:29 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Sounds like the AB has a Republican majority, or maybe democrate? And we always say we want less politics in the USGW. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted > At 06:08 PM 12/13/00 -0600, Carol wrote: > >I would say that it would be like any other "motion" before the AB. Either > >accept it by voting yes, or not accept it by voting no. If it passed or > >failed would be determined if a quorum voted or 2/3rds passed it. > > The point Teri was making previous to this was that as few as 4 board > members have been able to hamstring the board and it's decisions because of > the 2/3 majority thing. Soooo... depending on phrasing you can make it > easier or harder to get something done. For example, a straightforward > motion to approve can be defeated by 4 people... but, if you phrase it in > reverse (and my brain refuses to phrase backwards tonight ) it is > easier to get it actually approved. I know, twisted logic, perhaps we > should have stated simple majority but hindsight is 20/20 > > > > > From someone in the southern midwest, this is a snow day! As I look out my > >window, I can see two cars sideways in the street. They've been there all > >day, and I don't know when a tow truck can get out here in the boonies to > >pull them out. Snow is almost up to the handles on my small truck and well > >past the running boards on my van. My german shepherd dog went outside, and > >sunk in the snow. I had to follow her chain to find her. LOL! Stay warm! > >Anyone wanna make hot chocolate? > > > >Carol > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Holly Timm" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:44 PM > >Subject: [ESC] clarification wanted > > > > > > > a question from Teri Petit asks in reply to something I said quoting the > > > ESC Report > > > > > > >At 11:58 PM -0000 12/13/00, Holly Timm wrote: > > > > >"This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory Board > >for > > > > >approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to > >"pick > > > > >and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory Board > > > > >disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory Board > > > > >shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be > >repeated." > > > > > > > >Holly, > > > > > > > >Can we get some clarification from the ESC as to whether it is intended > > > >that the Board motion for approval or disapproval should be phrased > > > >such that a "Yes" vote approves the slate, or such that a "Yes" vote > > > >rejects it (thereby requiring 2/3 dissatisfaction to force a return > > > >to the drawing board)? I imagine more likely the former, but since > > > >the Report doesn't specify either way, it could depend on the whim > > > >of the first person to submit a motion about it. > > > > > > > >-- Teri > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Dec 14 06:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA02617 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22857 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB5A537ED; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:17:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D258537ED for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust54.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.54]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01420 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01c065bf$28a90ba0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <002101c06586$91571400$a52c95d0@youda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SNOWDAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 05:03:42 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Would you please make another cup? Snow started falling here in Tulsa on Tuesday afternoon about 4:00 and stopped yesterday around 2:00 pm. We have about 9" in our yard. After 14 years in Atlanta I was as excited as any kid to see the snow As for the vote for the AB - I think it should be a simple majority and a "yes" vote to accept the slate - a "no" vote to not accept. We started this whole thing with the express intention of being up front with everything, let's go on with it that way and keep it easy for everyone to understand. If a few of the AB members want to kill a slate - then so be it. They will be the ones who look bad to the members. Just my 2 cents worth - and still open for discussion. Perhaps a "clarification" post to the BOARD-L list would be in order - posted before the first slate is presented. Same with the selection of a chair. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol To: Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SNOWDAY > Thanks for the hot chocolate. Can you add a little rum? Or some Kaluah? > Hey, this is the most snow I've seen since I've been in the midwest! Makes > me think I'm in Wyoming! :o)) Home sweet home! We got 13" in 12 hours! > > Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Esse Frye" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:54 PM > Subject: [ESC] Re: SNOWDAY > > > > > > Carol; > > > > So you're the midwestern individual who sent the snow our way. (grin!) > > I am in Northern Indiana, south of Ft Wayne. We just got clobbered with > 6-8 > > inches snow already on the ground. Earlier this week, the weatherman cried > > wolf and we didn't get much at all. Today, they underplayed it and what > > happens we get clobbered. I feel sorry for them they can't win! Here's > some > > hot chocolate to cheer you up. > > > > Esse > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Carol" > > Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > > To: > > Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted > > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:08:53 -0600 > > > > I would say that it would be like any other "motion" before the AB. > Either > > accept it by voting yes, or not accept it by voting no. If it passed or > > failed would be determined if a quorum voted or 2/3rds passed it. > > > > >From someone in the southern midwest, this is a snow day! As I look out > my > > window, I can see two cars sideways in the street. They've been there all > > day, and I don't know when a tow truck can get out here in the boonies to > > pull them out. Snow is almost up to the handles on my small truck and > well > > past the running boards on my van. My german shepherd dog went outside, > and > > sunk in the snow. I had to follow her chain to find her. LOL! Stay > warm! > > Anyone wanna make hot chocolate? > > > > Carol > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Holly Timm" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:44 PM > > Subject: [ESC] clarification wanted > > > > > > > a question from Teri Petit asks in reply to something I said quoting > the > > > ESC Report > > > > > > >At 11:58 PM -0000 12/13/00, Holly Timm wrote: > > > > >"This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the Advisory > Board > > for > > > > >approval or disapproval. The Advisory Board shall not be allowed to > > "pick > > > > >and choose" any individual committee member. Should the Advisory > Board > > > > >disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the Advisory > > Board > > > > >shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be > > repeated." > > > > > > > >Holly, > > > > > > > >Can we get some clarification from the ESC as to whether it is > intended > > > >that the Board motion for approval or disapproval should be phrased > > > >such that a "Yes" vote approves the slate, or such that a "Yes" vote > > > >rejects it (thereby requiring 2/3 dissatisfaction to force a return > > > >to the drawing board)? I imagine more likely the former, but since > > > >the Report doesn't specify either way, it could depend on the whim > > > >of the first person to submit a motion about it. > > > > > > > >-- Teri > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Dec 14 06:39:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA03935 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28288 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4559537DD; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:39:50 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f240.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.240]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB65537BE for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:38:50 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.156 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:38:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.156] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SNOWDAY and CLARIFICATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2000 11:38:50.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D75C770:01C065C2] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:38:50 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: I agree with Linda. Plain and simple. Also, that is a good idea to referring for clarification to the Board. Here, Linda! A large cup of hot chocolate with minature marshmallows melting on top. We are totally snowed in! Um, Carol; if this is the most you have seen of snow, you are in for a surprise. This is supposed to be a normal winter. It has just started and this is only December. I just poured a dollop of Kaluah into you fifth cup of hot chocolate. Bet you are nice and warm now! heh-heh.. Esse _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Dec 14 11:01:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28791 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13975 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CEB537E6; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745A4537E6 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (208-149-44-164.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.164]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA19157 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:03:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001d01c065e6$91ff8760$a42c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:57:29 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A I remember in Wyoming snow up to the window sills. The doors were blocked, and wouldn't open, so we had to climb out the windows! Usually, this far south (I'm only 130 miles from Tulsa) we don't get this much snow. We set records this week! I think you're right, Teresa. That's why I was a little flippant about the politics part of it. As much as we'd like to keep revising the report when questions or problems arise, I don't think we can, since it's already been accepted by the AB as it is. My thanks to Teri and Holly for not letting the report die at the AB level, and getting it moving forward! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted > > On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Holly Timm wrote: > > > The point Teri was making previous to this was that as few as 4 board > > members have been able to hamstring the board and it's decisions because of > > the 2/3 majority thing. Soooo... depending on phrasing you can make it > > easier or harder to get something done. For example, a straightforward > > motion to approve can be defeated by 4 people... but, if you phrase it in > > reverse (and my brain refuses to phrase backwards tonight ) it is > > easier to get it actually approved. I know, twisted logic, perhaps we > > should have stated simple majority but hindsight is 20/20 > > Unfortunately, since we failed to specify a "simple majority" the 2/3 > majority required in the bylaws will take precedence, I imagine. And I > don't think we are in a position to dictate how the Board members phrase > their motions. So I would say that what a "yes" or "no" vote means is up > to how the Board members choose to phrase the motions in question. I > understand Teri's concern, but its not our job to tell them how to do > their job. > > Now I have to go call a heater man. Wouldn't you know, as soon as that > first drop of freezing rain fell, my heater went out. > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Dec 14 17:44:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27871 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05513 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFD55380E; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B75F53566 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.223]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001214224358.DIYU10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:43:58 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001214174627.00c80930@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] clarification wanted In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001213194132.00bfdc60@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:51:09 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A At 07:23 AM 12/14/00 -0500, merope wrote: >Unfortunately, since we failed to specify a "simple majority" the 2/3 >majority required in the bylaws will take precedence, I imagine. And I >don't think we are in a position to dictate how the Board members phrase >their motions. So I would say that what a "yes" or "no" vote means is up >to how the Board members choose to phrase the motions in question. I >understand Teri's concern, but its not our job to tell them how to do >their job. yup... would have been great if we had thought to specify simple majority but we didn't >Now I have to go call a heater man. Wouldn't you know, as soon as that >first drop of freezing rain fell, my heater went out. MaMaT emails Teresa a warm blankie and a teddy bear to go with the kahlua (spelling) Essie been pouring in her hot chocolate PS: so far there have been only seven volunteers for the SEC _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 09:34:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12061 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09500 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D7753858; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:34:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB15253845 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.6c.5ec487d (4595) for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.5ec487d.276b85ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:33:30 EST Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 12/15/2000 5:54:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, lhaasdav@mindspring.com writes: << I'm curious to see what kind of response I get How much you want to bet I'll be ignored?? But I'm royally pissed that all the loud mouths haven't jumped at the chance to "fix" things. And, let me tell you that the first - I mean very first - message that hits any of those 3 lists complaining about the election in any manner what-so-ever from someone who didn't volunteer will get a scorching reply, plus a Copy of my message asking for volunteers !!!! And, I can craft an extremely scorching e-mail when I want to . And, if anyone is wondering - Yes, I volunteered before I sent the message. I couldn't very well send out this type of message if **I** hadn't volunteered Linda >> ROFL, Boy do I feel sorry for that poor person who complains. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 09:24:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11150 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07827 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DB653813; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA94053546 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.128.138.dlls.grid.net [63.52.128.138]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24550 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:23:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03c701c066a2$71ef09c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 08:22:22 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A Below is an e-mail I would like to send to as many individuals in the project as possible. I felt I could say things in a way that Tim could not. It's certainly open for changes to make it more appealing or more apt to be read. Is anyone interested in helping me send this to as many CCs as possible? Perhaps we can divvy up the states and send this to every CC listed on the state page? - Or can I / we get my hands on the last voters list for e-mail addresses? Volunteers anyone? ****************** Hi my name is Linda Haas Davenport and I'm the CC for the Marion Co AR USGenWeb Project. I was also a member of the Election Study Committee and I'd appreciate a scant 2 minutes of your time. The Election Study Committee spent a very long and hard 7 weeks crafting the "rules" for a Standing Election Committee that would operate outside of the politics of the USGenWeb Project. This committee will be representing every single individual of the project and will not be directed by or under the control of the Advisory Board or any individual Advisory Board member, State Co-ordinator, special interest group or any group with an ax to grind - because this is what so many project volunteers said they wanted. Now the time has come for Project members to volunteer to serve on this committee and it is sad to say that only 7 members out of the, what 1,000 or 2,000+ (?) members of the Project, has bothered to volunteer. For those of you who "hate" the politics of the Project but would still like to help out, beyond your own web page(s), or one of those who feel your voice and/or vote isn't important - here is your chance to make a difference. I know that this time of year is extremely busy for everyone - but the work doesn't begin until after the first of the year. And, time is running out to volunteer - I urge you to please, please take the time to read the goals of the Election Committee at: http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html And volunteer by sending an e-mail to **Both** Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net by December 22, 2000. My 2 minutes is up - thank you so much for you time and your consideration. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 10:22:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16889 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18698 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D79538EC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F12E538DE for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24336 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:21:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <041801c066aa$8a6c4a00$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <6c.5ec487d.276b85ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:19:12 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Shame, shame, shame !! Although I've waited until now to volunteer - mainly because I didn't know how much time I'd have once I go back to work. But if you're not going to volunteer are you willing to take a state or two and send out my e-mail????? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > In a message dated 12/15/2000 5:54:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lhaasdav@mindspring.com writes: > > << I'm curious to see what kind of response I get How much you want to > bet I'll be ignored?? > > But I'm royally pissed that all the loud mouths haven't jumped at the chance > to "fix" things. And, let me tell you that the first - I mean very first - > message that hits any of those 3 lists complaining about the election in any > manner what-so-ever from someone who didn't volunteer will get a scorching > reply, plus a Copy of my message asking for volunteers !!!! And, I can > craft an extremely scorching e-mail when I want to . > > And, if anyone is wondering - Yes, I volunteered before I sent the message. > I couldn't very well send out this type of message if **I** hadn't > volunteered > > Linda >> > > > ROFL, Boy do I feel sorry for that poor person who complains. > > > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 10:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16896 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18724 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1164F538B4; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD604538DE for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17069 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:21:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <041901c066aa$8bccc460$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:20:11 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A Great and what states did you say you'd take????? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Election Committee Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? > > Linda, looks fine to me! > > -Teresa > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Below is an e-mail I would like to send to as many individuals in the > > project as possible. I felt I could say things in a way that Tim could not. > > It's certainly open for changes to make it more appealing or more apt to be > > read. Is anyone interested in helping me send this to as many CCs as > > possible? Perhaps we can divvy up the states and send this to every CC > > listed on the state page? - Or can I / we get my hands on the last voters > > list for e-mail addresses? Volunteers anyone? > > ****************** > > > > Hi my name is Linda Haas Davenport and I'm the CC for the Marion Co AR > > USGenWeb Project. I was also a member of the Election Study Committee and > > I'd appreciate a scant 2 minutes of your time. > > > > The Election Study Committee spent a very long and hard 7 weeks crafting the > > "rules" for a Standing Election Committee that would operate outside of the > > politics of the USGenWeb Project. This committee will be representing every > > single individual of the project and will not be directed by or under the > > control of the Advisory Board or any individual Advisory Board member, State > > Co-ordinator, special interest group or any group with an ax to grind - > > because this is what so many project volunteers said they wanted. > > > > Now the time has come for Project members to volunteer to serve on this > > committee and it is sad to say that only 7 members out of the, what 1,000 or > > 2,000+ (?) members of the Project, has bothered to volunteer. > > > > For those of you who "hate" the politics of the Project but would still like > > to help out, beyond your own web page(s), or one of those who feel your > > voice and/or vote isn't important - here is your chance to make a > > difference. I know that this time of year is extremely busy for everyone - > > but the work doesn't begin until after the first of the year. And, time is > > running out to volunteer - I urge you to please, please take the time to > > read the goals of the Election Committee at: > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > > > And volunteer by sending an e-mail to **Both** Tim Stowell > > tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND > > Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net > > by December 22, 2000. > > > > My 2 minutes is up - thank you so much for you time and your consideration. > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 10:26:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17402 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19595 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8C536CA; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:26:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C8953548 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.61.9d6a902 (4595) for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <61.9d6a902.276b91ef@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:25:35 EST Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 12/15/2000 7:22:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, lhaasdav@mindspring.com writes: << Shame, shame, shame !! Although I've waited until now to volunteer - mainly because I didn't know how much time I'd have once I go back to work. But if you're not going to volunteer are you willing to take a state or two and send out my e-mail????? Linda >> I alredy did to the Colorado CC's, and Holly did for Ohio. Those are the only lists I am on. I would be willing to twist some arms if you want. But I don't know how good that would do. ;)) Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 10:29:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17663 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20155 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A083B53548; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:28:24 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8C153548 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.60.9c4fdcb (4595) for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:26:35 -0500 (EST) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <60.9c4fdcb.276b922b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:26:35 EST Status: RO X-Status: Ooops, you ment this email. Yes, I will send to Colorado and Ohio. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 11:11:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22209 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28757 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7098D5371D; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D447536E4 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11253 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:10:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <044401c066b1$65a60ec0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:17 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Let me tell you how I have reached a lot of individual CCs. It's not the easiest way but it works fine. I go to the state page & send an individual e-mail to everyone on the County list. I simply click on their e-mail address - paste my message and send. It takes time but it does mean that everyone gets a personal message. I can make it thru a state in about 15 to 30 minutes - unless it's NC which has a gazillion counties Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Great and what states did you say you'd take????? > > KS is the only one I have access to. I can also send it to the DBS list. > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 11:11:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA22241 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28816 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91F5537CA; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1312D536E4 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA30131 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:10:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <044501c066b1$66ec9880$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <60.9c4fdcb.276b922b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:08:55 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Thanks - just change my name & info in the top part to yours and send away. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Do you enjoy being a USGenWeb Project volunteer? > Ooops, you ment this email. Yes, I will send to Colorado and Ohio. > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 12:18:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00047 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12051 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F7E538CA; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:18:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EB8538CA for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15076 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <058b01c066ba$b6d90500$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Change of plan Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:51:10 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I decided to try something else to maybe speed up the process of getting e-mails to everyone. I am sending the following message to every STATE mgr. If even a few will send the e-mail for me it will cut down on the message and also speed up the process. So ..... all of you SCs on the list will get this message And Essie where is that hot chocolate? Multiple inches of snow on the ground, wind howling outside and a wind chill of somewhere around 12 below!! **************** Hi : I don't if you know who I am but I was a member of the Election Study Committee and I'm trying to drum up some more volunteers for the Election Committee and I need a favor please. Do you have a list of the e-mail address of your CCs? And, if so would you be willing to share them with me or to forward the below message to each of them? An individual e-mail is so much more effective than just a posting on the state list. Thanks a million for your help!! *************** Hi my name is Linda Haas Davenport and I'm the CC for the Marion Co AR USGenWeb Project. I was also a member of the Election Study Committee and I'd appreciate a scant 2 minutes of your time. The Election Study Committee spent a very long and hard 7 weeks crafting the "rules" for a Standing Election Committee that would operate outside of the politics of the USGenWeb Project. This committee will be representing every single individual of the project and will not be directed by or under the control of the Advisory Board or any individual Advisory Board member, State Co-ordinator, special interest group or any group with an ax to grind - because this is what so many project volunteers said they wanted. Now the time has come for Project members to volunteer to serve on this committee and it is sad to say that only 7 members out of the, what 1,000 or 2,000+ (?) members of the Project, has bothered to volunteer. For those of you who "hate" the politics of the Project but would still like to help out, beyond your own web page(s), or one of those who feel your voice and/or vote isn't important - here is your chance to make a difference. I know that this time of year is extremely busy for everyone - but the work doesn't begin until after the first of the year. And, time is running out to volunteer - I urge you to please, please take the time to read the goals of the Election Committee at: http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html And volunteer by sending an e-mail to **Both** Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net, National Coordinator AND Holly Timm, Representative at Large hollyft@bright.net by December 22, 2000. My 2 minutes is up - thank you so much for you time and your consideration. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 12:51:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03832 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18140 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FCA538F0; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:51:18 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990B1538DE for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:50:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA22077 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:50:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <068601c066bf$55be5ea0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Finished ` Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 11:47:20 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: OK I sent my message to all of the SCs - let's see if I get any response Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 13:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08768 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26619 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E730B537E1; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (unknown [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBE75352F for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-163.efn.org (pm3-163.efn.org [206.163.180.163]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eBFIbfm24295 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3A662C.4901@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee References: <034f01c0668e$8fd712c0$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:42:52 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Linda, I wish you hadn't been quite for derisive in this note. I am sure it did nothing to heal any wounds. I also know for a fact that many of the people that were "screaming" vote packing have quit the project after the election. Your note is basically using vinegar to catch folks, and all it will do is drive them even farther away. John Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > The ESC heard that so far only 7 people have volunteered for the Election > Committee. So I'm wondering where are all of you that filled these lists > with screams, yells, shouts of vote manipulation, vote packing, etc. > etc.during and after the last election??? Here is your chance to put your > money where your mouth is - why haven't you taken it? > > The ESC worked our butts off to be as sure as it is possible to be that the > EC will operate outside of politics, be fair and impartial to every single > member of this project, respect every single member and not be dictated to > by the AB, any individual AB member, any SC or any individual group with an > ax to grind. We formed the "rules" so that every individual member has the > opportunity to be sure that their name is on the voter rolls, that their > vote will count and finally that the voting process will be secure and > accurate. Isn't this what everyone wanted? > > If lots of people don't get off their duffs and volunteer for the EC then it > will be like so many other committees that people complain about - just the > "same old few". > > I know this is a difficult time of year for people to be doing much of > anything except trying to get ready for Christmas at home and year end at > work but for this committee to work the way the Election Study Committee > structured it to work good volunteers are needed. You don't have to start > "work" until after the New Year - being busy **now** is no excuse. > > So - What do you say? > > You can volunteer by writing to Holly Trim at: hollyft@bright.net or Tim > Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net The cutoff date is Dec 22nd so you need to > get with it. > > If you haven't looked at the "rules" for the committee - here's where you go > to see what the ESC fought so hard to get for you. Let's not lose this > freedom just because we don't have enough volunteers to do the job! > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 14:09:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11947 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02351 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4202538B8; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:07:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3565354D for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA25121 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:06:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <073e01c066c9$df6e95c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <034f01c0668e$8fd712c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3A662C.4901@efn.org> Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:59:41 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Hi John: Hummmm perhaps I was a bit strong, but I've gotten a lot of response to it and that was really what I wanted. And, I've been flamed on those 3 lists so many times for standing up for the project, the AB and just plain common sense that I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's feelings. If the most unhappy people have left the project then that's fine with me. I know that you are a super nice guy and I appreciate you pointing out I could be a bit more diplomatic . I did try to do a lot better in the personal e-mail I'll send to as many CCs as I can reach. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > Linda, > > I wish you hadn't been quite for derisive in this note. I am sure it > did nothing to heal any wounds. I also know for a fact that many of the > people that were "screaming" vote packing have quit the project after > the election. Your note is basically using vinegar to catch folks, and > all it will do is drive them even farther away. > > John > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > The ESC heard that so far only 7 people have volunteered for the Election > > Committee. So I'm wondering where are all of you that filled these lists > > with screams, yells, shouts of vote manipulation, vote packing, etc. > > etc.during and after the last election??? Here is your chance to put your > > money where your mouth is - why haven't you taken it? > > > > The ESC worked our butts off to be as sure as it is possible to be that the > > EC will operate outside of politics, be fair and impartial to every single > > member of this project, respect every single member and not be dictated to > > by the AB, any individual AB member, any SC or any individual group with an > > ax to grind. We formed the "rules" so that every individual member has the > > opportunity to be sure that their name is on the voter rolls, that their > > vote will count and finally that the voting process will be secure and > > accurate. Isn't this what everyone wanted? > > > > If lots of people don't get off their duffs and volunteer for the EC then it > > will be like so many other committees that people complain about - just the > > "same old few". > > > > I know this is a difficult time of year for people to be doing much of > > anything except trying to get ready for Christmas at home and year end at > > work but for this committee to work the way the Election Study Committee > > structured it to work good volunteers are needed. You don't have to start > > "work" until after the New Year - being busy **now** is no excuse. > > > > So - What do you say? > > > > You can volunteer by writing to Holly Trim at: hollyft@bright.net or Tim > > Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net The cutoff date is Dec 22nd so you need to > > get with it. > > > > If you haven't looked at the "rules" for the committee - here's where you go > > to see what the ESC fought so hard to get for you. Let's not lose this > > freedom just because we don't have enough volunteers to do the job! > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 14:43:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15412 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08907 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7731538F3; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F61538B8 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust51.tnt3.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.25.216.51]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17554 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:42:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Update Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:40:17 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I've heard from the following SCs Richard Howell (IL) and he told me to go get the addresses of the web page - so I did and sent an individual message to each person. Marti from OK said she would forward it to her closed CC list for Oklahoma and Indian territory Connie from NE is doing the same and thinks we'll get a couple of people to volunteer from her state Jackie from NE & SC is trying to send me a list of address - we just have to come up with a file type she can send & I can read Susan from RI is forwarding the message on to her folks. Jim from CT is getting me a list of names & addresses. Richard Harrison is getting me a list together of folks in the NWP region Everyone keep their fingers crossed and perhaps we can shake loose a few more volunteers! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 14:48:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15955 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09934 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:48:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425C3538B8; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:48:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3A55353B for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from patrick (pool-63.52.157.211.dlls.grid.net [63.52.157.211]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28463 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:47:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:46:28 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I'll take care of Indiana. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: [ESC] Update > I've heard from the following SCs > > Richard Howell (IL) and he told me to go get the addresses of the web page - > so I did and sent an individual message to each person. > > Marti from OK said she would forward it to her closed CC list for Oklahoma > and Indian territory > > Connie from NE is doing the same and thinks we'll get a couple of people to > volunteer from her state > > Jackie from NE & SC is trying to send me a list of address - we just have to > come up with a file type she can send & I can read > > Susan from RI is forwarding the message on to her folks. > > Jim from CT is getting me a list of names & addresses. > > Richard Harrison is getting me a list together of folks in the NWP region > > Everyone keep their fingers crossed and perhaps we can shake loose a few > more volunteers! > > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 15:07:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17889 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13638 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75545357A; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5139F5353C for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from patrick (pool-63.52.157.211.dlls.grid.net [63.52.157.211]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09333 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:06:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010e01c066d2$607c5460$d39d343f@patrick> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:05:29 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I'll take care of KY and MI too (unless somebody else wants to do MI, because I'm not supposed to post there). Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Hays" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > I'll take care of Indiana. > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" > To: "Election Committee" > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:40 PM > Subject: [ESC] Update > > > > I've heard from the following SCs > > > > Richard Howell (IL) and he told me to go get the addresses of the web > page - > > so I did and sent an individual message to each person. > > > > Marti from OK said she would forward it to her closed CC list for Oklahoma > > and Indian territory > > > > Connie from NE is doing the same and thinks we'll get a couple of people > to > > volunteer from her state > > > > Jackie from NE & SC is trying to send me a list of address - we just have > to > > come up with a file type she can send & I can read > > > > Susan from RI is forwarding the message on to her folks. > > > > Jim from CT is getting me a list of names & addresses. > > > > Richard Harrison is getting me a list together of folks in the NWP region > > > > Everyone keep their fingers crossed and perhaps we can shake loose a few > > more volunteers! > > > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > at > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 15:24:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19774 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16942 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0462D536F0; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:24:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B357535CD for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-144.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.144]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA06466 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:23:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003501c066d4$7bc853c0$902b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> <081001c066d0$a7463200$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:20:32 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Linda, you and I are quite a bit alike. We jump in passionately with both feet then get surprized when we offend people! LOL! This may be not be a good example, but I think it's kinda like asking people in Beirut to volunteer to be election commissioners. After years of fighting, sometimes it's just nice to enjoy the peace and quiet, even if that's because everyone else is dead. To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > Thanks Patrick !!!! > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Hays > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > > > > I'll take care of Indiana. > > > > Patrick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" > > To: "Election Committee" > > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:40 PM > > Subject: [ESC] Update > > > > > > > I've heard from the following SCs > > > > > > Richard Howell (IL) and he told me to go get the addresses of the web > > page - > > > so I did and sent an individual message to each person. > > > > > > Marti from OK said she would forward it to her closed CC list for > Oklahoma > > > and Indian territory > > > > > > Connie from NE is doing the same and thinks we'll get a couple of people > > to > > > volunteer from her state > > > > > > Jackie from NE & SC is trying to send me a list of address - we just > have > > to > > > come up with a file type she can send & I can read > > > > > > Susan from RI is forwarding the message on to her folks. > > > > > > Jim from CT is getting me a list of names & addresses. > > > > > > Richard Harrison is getting me a list together of folks in the NWP > region > > > > > > Everyone keep their fingers crossed and perhaps we can shake loose a few > > > more volunteers! > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > > at > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 17:15:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02419 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08906 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4BF5354F; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:15:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB4453636 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port200.jxn.netdoor.com [208.137.132.200]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18465 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:14:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001215160433.00c69580@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Update In-Reply-To: <082001c066db$d1e83160$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> <081001c066d0$a7463200$0200a8c0@Linda> <003501c066d4$7bc853c0$902b95d0@youda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:08:43 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A At 03:12 PM 12/15/2000, you wrote: >Now a question for everyone - what will we do or what do you think will >happen if the AB can't come up with enough volunteers to form the >committee??? I had not planned to volunteer, but am sending a post to Holly and Tim now, if they need another - also, I am on the GA list, and can forward your post, if Tim is having e-mail problems - he is the SC, and I haven't seen anything come from that list about this - BTW, since Tim is having e-mail problems, can he get the posts from us who volunteer? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. - Ayn Rand, 1963 _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 20:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28550 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12500 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33559538D0; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:36:18 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433C253669 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from patrick (pool-63.52.144.233.dlls.grid.net [63.52.144.233]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA32742 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:35:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005b01c06700$5bae89c0$e990343f@patrick> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> <081001c066d0$a7463200$0200a8c0@Linda> <003501c066d4$7bc853c0$902b95d0@youda> <082001c066db$d1e83160$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 19:33:12 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I know what you mean. I have not volunteered because I will not be available for a large chunk of the spring (I'm moving 2 more times in the next 4 or so months, as if I haven't moved enough since August 1999). The needs of the military outweigh anything that I may want to volunteer to do. I may well be up to it next year though. I have had 2 responses so far (one in IN and one in KY), hopefully both of those will be e-mailing Holly and Tim in the very near future. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > Oh I know that my e-mail was a bit - shall we say stiff?? but I've sat > back and waited to see if any of the most vocal people would volunteer and > apparently most didn't. Thus I decided to post an e-mail that would either > get people off their duffs or make it real hard to grip and complain in the > future. > > I wasn't going to volunteer either since I've got to go back to work and > also build a new house come spring. I have no idea what my time constraints > will be but I do believe in this project and I'll find a way to make the > time to do my part. > > The other thing is that we all worked so hard to do the best we could and I > don't want it to have been for nothing because no one is willing to > volunteer. And, again maybe the request has just hit at the wrong time of > year. The Christmas season is always so rushed and everyone seems to be so > exhausted that it's really hard to even think about taking anything else > one. > > Now a question for everyone - what will we do or what do you think will > happen if the AB can't come up with enough volunteers to form the > committee??? > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carol > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > > > > Linda, you and I are quite a bit alike. We jump in passionately with both > > feet then get surprized when we offend people! LOL! > > > > This may be not be a good example, but I think it's kinda like asking > people > > in Beirut to volunteer to be election commissioners. After years of > > fighting, sometimes it's just nice to enjoy the peace and quiet, even if > > that's because everyone else is dead. a > > very tragic part of the world.) But, you get my drift. > > > > I agree with John that soft speaking often gets better results. But, > then, > > no one is ignorant of the problems we've had in the past, either. So, > maybe > > confronting the issue isn't all that bad of an idea, Linda. > > > > My mom used to say to never complain unless you are willing to > > constructively work to make changes. I think that's a good thing to do. > > > > Well, the Wyo volunteers were sent the email. We'll see what happens. > > > > Carol > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Dec 15 21:54:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04037 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22792 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1855853589; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f245.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.245]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D7D53535 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Dec 2000 18:53:20 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.59 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:53:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.59] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2000 02:53:20.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[58EA86C0:01C0670B] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 21:53:19 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Linda; Maybe the esc committee should volunteer and make the changes we so earnestly worked and asked for. Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] Update Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:12:59 -0600 Oh I know that my e-mail was a bit - shall we say stiff?? but I've sat back and waited to see if any of the most vocal people would volunteer and apparently most didn't. Thus I decided to post an e-mail that would either get people off their duffs or make it real hard to grip and complain in the future. I wasn't going to volunteer either since I've got to go back to work and also build a new house come spring. I have no idea what my time constraints will be but I do believe in this project and I'll find a way to make the time to do my part. The other thing is that we all worked so hard to do the best we could and I don't want it to have been for nothing because no one is willing to volunteer. And, again maybe the request has just hit at the wrong time of year. The Christmas season is always so rushed and everyone seems to be so exhausted that it's really hard to even think about taking anything else one. Now a question for everyone - what will we do or what do you think will happen if the AB can't come up with enough volunteers to form the committee??? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > Linda, you and I are quite a bit alike. We jump in passionately with both > feet then get surprized when we offend people! LOL! > > This may be not be a good example, but I think it's kinda like asking people > in Beirut to volunteer to be election commissioners. After years of > fighting, sometimes it's just nice to enjoy the peace and quiet, even if > that's because everyone else is dead. very tragic part of the world.) But, you get my drift. > > I agree with John that soft speaking often gets better results. But, then, > no one is ignorant of the problems we've had in the past, either. So, maybe > confronting the issue isn't all that bad of an idea, Linda. > > My mom used to say to never complain unless you are willing to > constructively work to make changes. I think that's a good thing to do. > > Well, the Wyo volunteers were sent the email. We'll see what happens. > > Carol > > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 06:17:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05240 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16824 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12B9536E0; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:17:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3CC535CD for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-016.efn.org (pm3-016.efn.org [206.163.180.16]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eBGBGNm05421 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:16:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3B5042.16E@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee References: <034f01c0668e$8fd712c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3A662C.4901@efn.org> <073e01c066c9$df6e95c0$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 03:21:38 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > ...I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's feelings... That's what keeps the hate and discontent stirred up. I am sorry, but I am worried that you did hurt someone's feelings. Seven or eight weeks I spent on the ESC was to help this project move away from that attitude. John > Hi John: Hummmm perhaps I was a bit strong, but I've gotten a lot of > response to it and that was really what I wanted. And, I've been flamed on > those 3 lists so many times for standing up for the project, the AB and just > plain common sense that I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's > feelings. If the most unhappy people have left the project then that's fine > with me. > > I know that you are a super nice guy and I appreciate you pointing out I > could be a bit more diplomatic . I did try to do a lot better in the > personal e-mail I'll send to as many CCs as I can reach. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John McCoy > To: > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:42 PM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > > > Linda, > > > > I wish you hadn't been quite for derisive in this note. I am sure it > > did nothing to heal any wounds. I also know for a fact that many of the > > people that were "screaming" vote packing have quit the project after > > the election. Your note is basically using vinegar to catch folks, and > > all it will do is drive them even farther away. > > > > John > > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > > > The ESC heard that so far only 7 people have volunteered for the > Election > > > Committee. So I'm wondering where are all of you that filled these lists > > > with screams, yells, shouts of vote manipulation, vote packing, etc. > > > etc.during and after the last election??? Here is your chance to put > your > > > money where your mouth is - why haven't you taken it? > > > > > > The ESC worked our butts off to be as sure as it is possible to be that > the > > > EC will operate outside of politics, be fair and impartial to every > single > > > member of this project, respect every single member and not be dictated > to > > > by the AB, any individual AB member, any SC or any individual group with > an > > > ax to grind. We formed the "rules" so that every individual member has > the > > > opportunity to be sure that their name is on the voter rolls, that their > > > vote will count and finally that the voting process will be secure and > > > accurate. Isn't this what everyone wanted? > > > > > > If lots of people don't get off their duffs and volunteer for the EC > then it > > > will be like so many other committees that people complain about - just > the > > > "same old few". > > > > > > I know this is a difficult time of year for people to be doing much of > > > anything except trying to get ready for Christmas at home and year end > at > > > work but for this committee to work the way the Election Study Committee > > > structured it to work good volunteers are needed. You don't have to > start > > > "work" until after the New Year - being busy **now** is no excuse. > > > > > > So - What do you say? > > > > > > You can volunteer by writing to Holly Trim at: hollyft@bright.net or > Tim > > > Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net The cutoff date is Dec 22nd so you need > to > > > get with it. > > > > > > If you haven't looked at the "rules" for the committee - here's where > you go > > > to see what the ESC fought so hard to get for you. Let's not lose this > > > freedom just because we don't have enough volunteers to do the job! > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > at > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 06:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05840 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18013 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9AA53539; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9068535CD for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust110.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.110]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA17469 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007101c06752$eda88f40$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <07f801c066ce$f30103c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <00de01c066cf$b840ece0$d39d343f@patrick> <081001c066d0$a7463200$0200a8c0@Linda> <003501c066d4$7bc853c0$902b95d0@youda> <082001c066db$d1e83160$0200a8c0@Linda> <005b01c06700$5bae89c0$e990343f@patrick> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:20:47 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: 2 more volunteers YEA! That will bring the total to 10 and we need 12 (?). I wonder if we've got at least 1 for each region? Holly, do you know? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > I know what you mean. I have not volunteered because I will not be > available for a large chunk of the spring (I'm moving 2 more times in the > next 4 or so months, as if I haven't moved enough since August 1999). The > needs of the military outweigh anything that I may want to volunteer to do. > I may well be up to it next year though. > I have had 2 responses so far (one in IN and one in KY), hopefully both > of those will be e-mailing Holly and Tim in the very near future. > > Patrick > > >> snipped <<<< _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 06:28:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA05847 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18026 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4753560; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:28:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6732535CD for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust110.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.110]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23642 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:27:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007401c06752$ef2173a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:23:45 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Well I guess we could just volunteer as a group, but I bet the flack would really fly if that happened Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Esse Frye To: Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update > Linda; > Maybe the esc committee should volunteer and make the changes we so > earnestly worked and asked for. > Esse > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 07:59:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10233 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26513 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD05A535CD; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:59:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D2B5356A for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust110.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.110]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26338 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:58:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00bc01c0675f$a8155be0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <034f01c0668e$8fd712c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3A662C.4901@efn.org> <073e01c066c9$df6e95c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3B5042.16E@efn.org> Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:29:59 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: John - I would never, ever hurt anyone's feelings intentionally, but the people I am speaking about and those I was addressing with my message are the people who never hesitated to jump on me, call me a liar, an idiot, and take me to task for supporting the AB and some other common sense things with the most hateful and nasty language you can imagine. Those people never stopped to think if they were hurting other people's feelings. There are lots and lots of good people in this project and there are also lots of good people on the 3 CC lists - but there are also some real nasty people on them who's main goal in life seems to be to tear this project apart. I don't believe that the volunteers who didn't yell and scream will take my message personally. I can tell you that I have received (privately) about a dozen e-mails saying "thanks", in one way or another, for my post. If anyone on the lists had a real problem with the past election, if they posted multiple messages "yelling & screaming" about the election then those were the people I was addressing. If they really and truly wish the process to be right then they should volunteer. Kathy Heidel was one of those who was really upset about the election and made her views very plain - and she was one of the first to volunteer. She also didn't get upset at my message but rather agreed with it. I too want this project to become a real organization where problems can be worked out - just as we all did on the ESC. I'm spending a ton of my time sending messages to individual volunteers asking them to volunteer for this committee because I feel that the ESC proved that a group of people CAN work together to accomplish something good and I want to see people who have never been involved in the project become involved. I want the EC to prove to everyone that it's possible to serve on a committee or special project for this organization and be able to do it without being subjected to abuse every time you open your mouth. So, if I offended your personally you have my most sincere apology. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > ...I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's feelings... > > That's what keeps the hate and discontent stirred up. I am sorry, but I > am worried that you did hurt someone's feelings. Seven or eight weeks I > spent on the ESC was to help this project move away from that attitude. > > John > > Hi John: Hummmm perhaps I was a bit strong, but I've gotten a lot of > > response to it and that was really what I wanted. And, I've been flamed on > > those 3 lists so many times for standing up for the project, the AB and just > > plain common sense that I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's > > feelings. If the most unhappy people have left the project then that's fine > > with me. > > > > I know that you are a super nice guy and I appreciate you pointing out I > > could be a bit more diplomatic . I did try to do a lot better in the > > personal e-mail I'll send to as many CCs as I can reach. > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John McCoy > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > > > > > Linda, > > > > > > I wish you hadn't been quite for derisive in this note. I am sure it > > > did nothing to heal any wounds. I also know for a fact that many of the > > > people that were "screaming" vote packing have quit the project after > > > the election. Your note is basically using vinegar to catch folks, and > > > all it will do is drive them even farther away. > > > > > > John > > > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > > > > > The ESC heard that so far only 7 people have volunteered for the > > Election > > > > Committee. So I'm wondering where are all of you that filled these lists > > > > with screams, yells, shouts of vote manipulation, vote packing, etc. > > > > etc.during and after the last election??? Here is your chance to put > > your > > > > money where your mouth is - why haven't you taken it? > > > > > > > > The ESC worked our butts off to be as sure as it is possible to be that > > the > > > > EC will operate outside of politics, be fair and impartial to every > > single > > > > member of this project, respect every single member and not be dictated > > to > > > > by the AB, any individual AB member, any SC or any individual group with > > an > > > > ax to grind. We formed the "rules" so that every individual member has > > the > > > > opportunity to be sure that their name is on the voter rolls, that their > > > > vote will count and finally that the voting process will be secure and > > > > accurate. Isn't this what everyone wanted? > > > > > > > > If lots of people don't get off their duffs and volunteer for the EC > > then it > > > > will be like so many other committees that people complain about - just > > the > > > > "same old few". > > > > > > > > I know this is a difficult time of year for people to be doing much of > > > > anything except trying to get ready for Christmas at home and year end > > at > > > > work but for this committee to work the way the Election Study Committee > > > > structured it to work good volunteers are needed. You don't have to > > start > > > > "work" until after the New Year - being busy **now** is no excuse. > > > > > > > > So - What do you say? > > > > > > > > You can volunteer by writing to Holly Trim at: hollyft@bright.net or > > Tim > > > > Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net The cutoff date is Dec 22nd so you need > > to > > > > get with it. > > > > > > > > If you haven't looked at the "rules" for the committee - here's where > > you go > > > > to see what the ESC fought so hard to get for you. Let's not lose this > > > > freedom just because we don't have enough volunteers to do the job! > > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > > at > > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Esc mailing list > > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 15:49:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13189 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24351 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7589C53653; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D3153553 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-039.efn.org (pm3-039.efn.org [206.163.180.39]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eBGKmJm05750 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:48:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3BD64C.4979@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee References: <034f01c0668e$8fd712c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3A662C.4901@efn.org> <073e01c066c9$df6e95c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <3A3B5042.16E@efn.org> <00bc01c0675f$a8155be0$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:53:32 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Linda, You have to be above them. Ignore them and set a better example. John Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > John - I would never, ever hurt anyone's feelings intentionally, but the > people I am speaking about and those I was addressing with my message are > the people who never hesitated to jump on me, call me a liar, an idiot, and > take me to task for supporting the AB and some other common sense things > with the most hateful and nasty language you can imagine. Those people never > stopped to think if they were hurting other people's feelings. There are > lots and lots of good people in this project and there are also lots of good > people on the 3 CC lists - but there are also some real nasty people on them > who's main goal in life seems to be to tear this project apart. I don't > believe that the volunteers who didn't yell and scream will take my message > personally. I can tell you that I have received (privately) about a dozen > e-mails saying "thanks", in one way or another, for my post. > > If anyone on the lists had a real problem with the past election, if they > posted multiple messages "yelling & screaming" about the election then those > were the people I was addressing. If they really and truly wish the process > to be right then they should volunteer. Kathy Heidel was one of those who > was really upset about the election and made her views very plain - and she > was one of the first to volunteer. She also didn't get upset at my message > but rather agreed with it. > > I too want this project to become a real organization where problems can be > worked out - just as we all did on the ESC. I'm spending a ton of my time > sending messages to individual volunteers asking them to volunteer for this > committee because I feel that the ESC proved that a group of people CAN work > together to accomplish something good and I want to see people who have > never been involved in the project become involved. I want the EC to prove > to everyone that it's possible to serve on a committee or special project > for this organization and be able to do it without being subjected to abuse > every time you open your mouth. > > So, if I offended your personally you have my most sincere apology. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John McCoy > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:21 AM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > > > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > > > ...I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's feelings... > > > > That's what keeps the hate and discontent stirred up. I am sorry, but I > > am worried that you did hurt someone's feelings. Seven or eight weeks I > > spent on the ESC was to help this project move away from that attitude. > > > > John > > > Hi John: Hummmm perhaps I was a bit strong, but I've gotten a lot of > > > response to it and that was really what I wanted. And, I've been flamed > on > > > those 3 lists so many times for standing up for the project, the AB and > just > > > plain common sense that I'm really not worried about hurting anyone's > > > feelings. If the most unhappy people have left the project then that's > fine > > > with me. > > > > > > I know that you are a super nice guy and I appreciate you pointing out I > > > could be a bit more diplomatic . I did try to do a lot better in the > > > personal e-mail I'll send to as many CCs as I can reach. > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > at > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John McCoy > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:42 PM > > > Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Committee > > > > > > > Linda, > > > > > > > > I wish you hadn't been quite for derisive in this note. I am sure it > > > > did nothing to heal any wounds. I also know for a fact that many of > the > > > > people that were "screaming" vote packing have quit the project after > > > > the election. Your note is basically using vinegar to catch folks, > and > > > > all it will do is drive them even farther away. > > > > > > > > John > > > > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The ESC heard that so far only 7 people have volunteered for the > > > Election > > > > > Committee. So I'm wondering where are all of you that filled these > lists > > > > > with screams, yells, shouts of vote manipulation, vote packing, etc. > > > > > etc.during and after the last election??? Here is your chance to put > > > your > > > > > money where your mouth is - why haven't you taken it? > > > > > > > > > > The ESC worked our butts off to be as sure as it is possible to be > that > > > the > > > > > EC will operate outside of politics, be fair and impartial to every > > > single > > > > > member of this project, respect every single member and not be > dictated > > > to > > > > > by the AB, any individual AB member, any SC or any individual group > with > > > an > > > > > ax to grind. We formed the "rules" so that every individual member > has > > > the > > > > > opportunity to be sure that their name is on the voter rolls, that > their > > > > > vote will count and finally that the voting process will be secure > and > > > > > accurate. Isn't this what everyone wanted? > > > > > > > > > > If lots of people don't get off their duffs and volunteer for the EC > > > then it > > > > > will be like so many other committees that people complain about - > just > > > the > > > > > "same old few". > > > > > > > > > > I know this is a difficult time of year for people to be doing much > of > > > > > anything except trying to get ready for Christmas at home and year > end > > > at > > > > > work but for this committee to work the way the Election Study > Committee > > > > > structured it to work good volunteers are needed. You don't have to > > > start > > > > > "work" until after the New Year - being busy **now** is no excuse. > > > > > > > > > > So - What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > You can volunteer by writing to Holly Trim at: hollyft@bright.net > or > > > Tim > > > > > Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net The cutoff date is Dec 22nd so you > need > > > to > > > > > get with it. > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't looked at the "rules" for the committee - here's > where > > > you go > > > > > to see what the ESC fought so hard to get for you. Let's not lose > this > > > > > freedom just because we don't have enough volunteers to do the job! > > > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/report.html > > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > > > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > > > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > > > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of > Work" > > > at > > > > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Esc mailing list > > > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Esc mailing list > > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 20:37:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07968 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27635 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7913536C8; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:37:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AFC5354B for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.3]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001217013617.PJFL10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:36:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001216194235.00de2980@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net, "Election Committee" From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 In-Reply-To: <03f301c067be$b178b920$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:52:49 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 06:17 PM 12/16/00 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Georgia - Carol C-H posted it here >New York - I posted it here >Oregon - I sent you the cc list _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 20:44:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08328 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28594 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243395362D; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:44:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE0A5362D for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pavilion (A010-0295.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.77.41]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id TAA83536367 Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:38:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] Update #2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001216194235.00de2980@mail.bright.net> Importance: Normal Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:46:07 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: I sent it to my PA coordinators... Nate -----Original Message----- From: esc-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:esc-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of Holly Timm Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 8:53 PM To: esc@pairlist.net; Election Committee Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 At 06:17 PM 12/16/00 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Georgia - Carol C-H posted it here >New York - I posted it here >Oregon - I sent you the cc list _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 21:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10013 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01525 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57AD53591; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:10:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6496F5354A for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id s.a.64d0d91 (16936) for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:09:02 -0500 (EST) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a.64d0d91.276d7a3e_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:09:02 EST Status: RO X-Status: --part1_a.64d0d91.276d7a3e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/00 7:21:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, lhaasdav@mindspring.com writes: > Maine > I am ASC there.. I will send. Tina --part1_a.64d0d91.276d7a3e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/16/00 7:21:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lhaasdav@mindspring.com writes:


Maine


I am ASC there.. I will send.

Tina --part1_a.64d0d91.276d7a3e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 02:07:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA28122 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02623 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA32B53634; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:07:20 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD87535C9 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-016.efn.org (pm3-016.efn.org [206.163.180.16]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id eBH76Fm08813 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:06:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A3C6722.4E9A@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 References: <03f301c067be$b178b920$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:11:30 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: I posted to the Oregon List. John Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > It's 6:15 pm CST and here is where we stand right now with the states and my > request to send my message. I'm heading to the couch, a warm fire and a good > book. I'll go back to this tomorrow. And, if anyone has seen the message on > any state list not noted here will you let me know? Thanks have a nice > evening. > > Alabama > Alaska > Arizona > Arkansas - I posted to the AR CC list > California > Colorado - Mary Ann forwarded to the CC list > Connecticut - Jim sent me a list and I sent individual e-mails > Delaware > District of Columbia > Florida > Georgia > Hawaii > Idaho > Illinois - I sent individual messages to each person > Indiana - Patrick forwarded the e-mail > Iowa > Kansas > Kentucky - Patrick posted to the CC list > Louisiana > Maine > Maryland > Massachusetts > Michigan - Jackie sent me e-mail addresses - I sent individual e-mails > Minnesota > Mississippi - Linda forwarded my e-mail > Missouri > Montana - Corky sent to the CC list > Nebraska - Connie posted to the CC list > Nevada > New Hampshire - Jim forwarded the e-mail > New Jersey > New Mexico > New York > North Carolina > North Dakota > Ohio - Mary Ann forwarded the message > Oklahoma - Marti posted to the CC list (and volunteered ) > Oklahoma/Indian Territory - Marti posted to the CC list > Oregon > Pennsylvania > Rhode Island - Susan sent me a list of addresses - I sent individual e-mails > South Carolina - Jackie sent me a list of addresses - I sent individual > e-mails > South Dakota > Tennessee > Texas > Utah > Vermont - Jim forwarded the e-mail > Virginia - Linda forwarded the e-mail to her CC list > Washington > West Virginia > Wisconsin - Tina sent to her CC list > Wyoming - Carol sent forwarded my e-mail to her CCs > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 07:44:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16988 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03228 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A059535F6; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:44:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C235357B for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust242.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.242]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09021 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:43:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a701c06826$cd024d60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001216194235.00de2980@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:27:55 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Thanks Holly. Something else I thought about last night. You have the e-mail addresses of all the folks who responded to the survey. Perhaps we might forward them the message. If they took the time to respond, who knows they might be interested. What do you think? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; Election Committee Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update #2 > At 06:17 PM 12/16/00 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >Georgia - Carol C-H posted it here > >New York - I posted it here > >Oregon - I sent you the cc list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 07:53:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17370 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03832 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DCE5359E; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:53:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8E353592 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust242.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.242]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21994 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:52:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b801c06827$f068ff00$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Update # 3 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:47:48 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A Thanks a lot for letting me know about the additional states. Here's the update for right now. I won't get to work on this much today. I have a column to write and the house to clean before Mama gets here Alabama Alaska - Richard sent the message Arizona - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Arkansas - I posted to the AR CC list California -I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Colorado - Mary Ann forwarded to the CC list Connecticut - Jim sent me a list and I sent individual e-mails Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia - Carol posted it to her list Hawaii - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Idaho - Richard sent the message Illinois - I sent individual messages to each person Indiana - Patrick forwarded the e-mail Iowa - Richard sent the message Kansas - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Kentucky - Patrick posted to the CC list Louisiana - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Maine - Tina sent it to her CCs Maryland Massachusetts Michigan - Jackie sent me e-mail addresses - I sent individual e-mails Minnesota - Richard sent the message Mississippi - Linda forwarded my e-mail Missouri - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Montana - Corky sent to the CC list Nebraska - Connie posted to the CC list Nevada - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list New Hampshire - Jim forwarded the e-mail New Jersey New Mexico - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list New York - Carol posted it to the list North Carolina North Dakota - Richard sent the message Ohio - Mary Ann forwarded the message Oklahoma - Marti posted to the CC list (and volunteered ) Oklahoma/Indian Territory - Marti posted to the CC list Oregon - John posted it to his CC list Pennsylvania - Nate sent it to his people Rhode Island - Susan sent me a list of addresses - I sent individual e-mails South Carolina - Jackie sent me a list of addresses - I sent e-mails South Dakota - Richard sent the message Tennessee Texas - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Utah - I posted to the Southwest/South Central Region list Vermont - Jim forwarded the e-mail Virginia - Linda forwarded the e-mail to her CC list Washington - Richard sent the message West Virginia Wisconsin - Tina sent to her CC list Wyoming - Carol sent forwarded my e-mail to her CCs Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Dec 16 19:20:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03028 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19211 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFAE95373E; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:19:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E00B535B5 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (sdn-ar-004oktulsP186.dialsprint.net [158.252.184.226]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11496 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:18:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03f301c067be$b178b920$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Update #2 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:17:04 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: It's 6:15 pm CST and here is where we stand right now with the states and my request to send my message. I'm heading to the couch, a warm fire and a good book. I'll go back to this tomorrow. And, if anyone has seen the message on any state list not noted here will you let me know? Thanks have a nice evening. Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas - I posted to the AR CC list California Colorado - Mary Ann forwarded to the CC list Connecticut - Jim sent me a list and I sent individual e-mails Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois - I sent individual messages to each person Indiana - Patrick forwarded the e-mail Iowa Kansas Kentucky - Patrick posted to the CC list Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan - Jackie sent me e-mail addresses - I sent individual e-mails Minnesota Mississippi - Linda forwarded my e-mail Missouri Montana - Corky sent to the CC list Nebraska - Connie posted to the CC list Nevada New Hampshire - Jim forwarded the e-mail New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio - Mary Ann forwarded the message Oklahoma - Marti posted to the CC list (and volunteered ) Oklahoma/Indian Territory - Marti posted to the CC list Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island - Susan sent me a list of addresses - I sent individual e-mails South Carolina - Jackie sent me a list of addresses - I sent individual e-mails South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont - Jim forwarded the e-mail Virginia - Linda forwarded the e-mail to her CC list Washington West Virginia Wisconsin - Tina sent to her CC list Wyoming - Carol sent forwarded my e-mail to her CCs Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 18:07:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05308 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15931 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD0753655; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:00:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183253576 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from patrick (pool-63.52.157.220.dlls.grid.net [63.52.157.220]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09809 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:23:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e001c0686f$8dd551c0$dc9d343f@patrick> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001217084740.03bc07a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update # 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:23:08 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Could we have some kind of canned response to that effect to forward to our state lists, so they know that they dun good? A kind of thank you thing. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update # 3 > At 06:47 AM 12/17/00 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >Thanks a lot for letting me know about the additional states. Here's the > >update for right now. I won't get to work on this much today. I have a > >column to write and the house to clean before Mama gets here > > ummm, that was me (Holly) posting in New York > > >New York - Carol posted it to the list > > We now have 20 volunteers and hopefully more so that there is truly a pool > to choose form and some back up names to call on if people need to resign > etc in the near future. > > Holly > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 19:58:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16033 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29407 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A0C5353E; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2E753588 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust242.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.242]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA06919; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014501c0688d$1975c580$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: Cc: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] A Big Thanks You from a fellow CC Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:48:01 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A big **thank you** to everyone who was kind enough to forward my plea for volunteers for the Election Committee to your lists or to send e-mails or furnish me with addresses. And an very special **thank you** to those of you who volunteered! You are very appreciated. Because of your help the volunteers for the EC has reached 18 at last count. We still need a few more good people so if you haven't yet volunteered please remember you have until the 22nd - but why put it off until then I wish you and yours the very best and most happy holiday season. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Dec 17 19:58:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16042 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29421 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FF553556; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:58:25 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633E853588 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust242.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.242]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA08994 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:56:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014601c0688d$1c45fc80$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001217084740.03bc07a0@mail.bright.net> <00e001c0686f$8dd551c0$dc9d343f@patrick> Subject: Re: [ESC] Update # 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:53:25 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Darn it Patrick - you beat me to the punch . I had intended to send my thank you note as soon as I found out who many people we came up with. I've been away from e-mail most of the day and just picked up your message and Tim's (saying the count is at 18). You're always one step ahead of me However, the bread and butter letter is written, and I was delighted to write it. I've sent you a copy and have forwarded one to this list so everyone can see it. I'll send an individual one to each of the SCs tomorrow who helped out. Now the big question is - did we get at least from each region?????? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays To: Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Update # 3 > Could we have some kind of canned response to that effect to forward to > our state lists, so they know that they dun good? A kind of thank you > thing. > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Holly Timm" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:49 AM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Update # 3 > > > > At 06:47 AM 12/17/00 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > >Thanks a lot for letting me know about the additional states. Here's the > > >update for right now. I won't get to work on this much today. I have a > > >column to write and the house to clean before Mama gets here > > > > ummm, that was me (Holly) posting in New York > > > > >New York - Carol posted it to the list > > > > We now have 20 volunteers and hopefully more so that there is truly a pool > > to choose form and some back up names to call on if people need to resign > > etc in the near future. > > > > Holly > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Dec 18 09:26:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13113 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03178 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FBF53543; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:26:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3BF53543 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust127.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.127]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08382 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:24:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <027b01c068fe$176a53c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [ESC] Final Update Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:22:53 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Good Morning everyone: I've sent my thank you note to all of the SCs and asked them to post it to their state lists. And, I'm very democratic - all of you SCs on this list will get a message along with everyone else I also sent a message to every state archivist asking them to forward it on to their state volunteers. I also sent a message to every mgr of the special projects asking them to forward it on to their volunteers. While I was doing this chore, I saved all the names & e-mail address for the regional reps, SCs, SP mgrs and state archivists. So when ever the EC gets together I have saved them a bit of time and will be happy to send the list to whoever ends up being the Chair of the committee. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Dec 18 12:53:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09037 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:53:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13343 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BDF535EE; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:53:34 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3331353564 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust220.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.220]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25530 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:51:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <039b01c0691a$fc6641c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <027b01c068fe$176a53c0$0200a8c0@Linda> <004201c06917$ad558080$a59d343f@patrick> Subject: Re: [ESC] Final Update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:50:04 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: I'm a "bean counter" by trade and I hate to see jobs done multiple times. It's such a waste of time and effort. I had to gather all those names & addresses from web pages, etc. etc. and see no reason it should have to be done again. However, I **Love** the kind words. Keep 'em up will ya? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Final Update > Wow, that's incredibly efficient. Good job! > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Haas Davenport" > To: "Election Committee" > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:22 AM > Subject: [ESC] Final Update > > > > Good Morning everyone: I've sent my thank you note to all of the SCs and > > asked them to post it to their state lists. And, I'm very democratic - all > > of you SCs on this list will get a message along with everyone else > > > > I also sent a message to every state archivist asking them to forward it > on > > to their state volunteers. > > > > I also sent a message to every mgr of the special projects asking them to > > forward it on to their volunteers. > > > > While I was doing this chore, I saved all the names & e-mail address for > the > > regional reps, SCs, SP mgrs and state archivists. So when ever the EC gets > > together I have saved them a bit of time and will be happy to send the > list > > to whoever ends up being the Chair of the committee. > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" > at > > http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 16:54:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10314 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:54:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29424 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B88535EB; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:54:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f242.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.242]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356A535CC for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 13:52:56 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.21 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jan 2001 21:52:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.21] From: "Esse Frye" To: Esc@pairlist.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2001 21:52:56.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[31A03470:01C078F4] Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 16:52:56 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: A Hi All; It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner and knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem really is. Esse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 18:26:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18193 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11063 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B4D53604; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:26:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D970D5355F for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port912.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.12]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08799 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:25:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010107171901.00e35f00@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:25:28 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 03:52 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: >Hi All; > >It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner >and knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > >What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > >Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it >is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > >I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem >really is. >Esse >_________________________________________________________________ Esse, I can not even begin to imagine what the problem is, but one thing I do know - I do not envy the wonderful folks I got to know better on this committee who are a part of that board. How and why they tolerate it is beyond me - IMHO, life is too short to deal with such. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's happiness. ~Anonymous~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 18:32:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18553 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11631 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C154353600; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:32:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B7535ED for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust179.tnt5.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.26.134.179]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA05865 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:31:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e501c07902$a8440760$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:33:38 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm fire. Catch you later. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ----- Original Message ----- From: Esse Frye To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Hi All; > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner and > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > really is. > Esse > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 18:34:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18676 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11815 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849A653600; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:34:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD05535ED for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust179.tnt5.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.26.134.179]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00059 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ef01c07902$d8b7e600$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20010107171901.00e35f00@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:37:45 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Ain't that the truth! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl ______________________________________________________________ > Esse, I can not even begin to imagine what the problem is, but one thing I > do know - I do not envy the wonderful folks I got to know better on this > committee who are a part of that board. How and why they tolerate it is > beyond me - IMHO, life is too short to deal with such. > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's > happiness. ~Anonymous~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 19:44:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24165 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20381 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E5B535F9; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:44:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0F5357F for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-28.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.28]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA02448 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:43:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <008701c0790b$62503a40$1c2b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:38:52 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Esse, Esse. Haven't you been around long enough to know that nothing gets done without bickering and fussing? Before the nomination is voted on, there will be a regular cat fight. Then, things will settle down again. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esse Frye" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Hi All; > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner and > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > really is. > Esse > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 20:03:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25700 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22964 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067153629; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:02:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F553573 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.224]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010108010051.ZCUR10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:00:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010107200646.00e258d0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE In-Reply-To: <00e501c07902$a8440760$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - >no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk >comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in private. Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably too unpleasant to refer to Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on >Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm >fire. Catch you later. > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at >http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Esse Frye >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM >Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > > > > Hi All; > > > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner >and > > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > > really is. > > Esse > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 20:14:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26680 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24268 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C70E5358D; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:14:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (bob.propagation.net [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6766953563 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from computer (ppp240-rch.klondyke.net [209.155.37.239]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18223 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:10:04 -0600 Message-ID: <012c01c07910$0749f960$3bb3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20010107171901.00e35f00@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Shari Handley" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:12:09 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: (Shari walks slowly and quietly into the ESC room, carefully closes the door, picks up a throw pillow from the couch, places it over her face, and . . . .) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! Whew! Thanks, folks. I needed to get that off my chest. Shari (Placing throw pillow neatly back on the couch, straightening hair, and quietly exiting the room once again.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol C-H To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > At 03:52 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: > >Hi All; > > > >It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > >and knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > >What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > >Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > >is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > >I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > >really is. > >Esse > >_________________________________________________________________ > Esse, I can not even begin to imagine what the problem is, but one thing I > do know - I do not envy the wonderful folks I got to know better on this > committee who are a part of that board. How and why they tolerate it is > beyond me - IMHO, life is too short to deal with such. > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's > happiness. ~Anonymous~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 23:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04288 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19512 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A354253535; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:28:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f167.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.167]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2597B5352F for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:26:33 -0800 Received: from 63.118.118.51 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 04:26:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.118.118.51] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 04:26:33.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E440C20:01C0792B] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:26:32 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Here, Holly (Esse passing the tissues.) Give yourself a good cry and then go at them with full barrols.. Carol; I had no idea about the squabbles. I had just found out about the Board after I took over my sites for Iowa. Showing no disrespect toward Patrick, I had no inkling that it even existed when I was volunteering for Indiana. Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: Holly Timm Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - >no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk >comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in private. Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably too unpleasant to refer to Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on >Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm >fire. Catch you later. > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at >http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Esse Frye >To: >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM >Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > > > > Hi All; > > > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner >and > > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as >it > > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the >problem > > really is. > > Esse > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 23:30:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04381 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19727 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5F653535; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:30:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f7.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.7]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B9553549 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:28:26 -0800 Received: from 63.118.118.51 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 04:28:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.118.118.51] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 04:28:26.0491 (UTC) FILETIME=[71B97CB0:01C0792B] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 23:28:26 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Oh Shari; You are something else! Keep up the pressure. You're doing great. Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Shari Handley" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 20:12:09 -0500 (Shari walks slowly and quietly into the ESC room, carefully closes the door, picks up a throw pillow from the couch, places it over her face, and . . . .) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! Whew! Thanks, folks. I needed to get that off my chest. Shari (Placing throw pillow neatly back on the couch, straightening hair, and quietly exiting the room once again.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol C-H To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > At 03:52 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: > >Hi All; > > > >It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > >and knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > >What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > >Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > >is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > >I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > >really is. > >Esse > >_________________________________________________________________ > Esse, I can not even begin to imagine what the problem is, but one thing I > do know - I do not envy the wonderful folks I got to know better on this > committee who are a part of that board. How and why they tolerate it is > beyond me - IMHO, life is too short to deal with such. > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's > happiness. ~Anonymous~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Jan 7 23:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05564 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21032 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C571C53535; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:42:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78F453535 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port912.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.12]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05904 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:40:19 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010107223956.029a3710@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:41:35 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: What happens if it doesn't come up for a vote? Carol At 10:26 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: >Here, Holly (Esse passing the tissues.) Give yourself a good cry and then >go at them with full barrols.. >Carol; I had no idea about the squabbles. I had just found out about the >Board after I took over my sites for Iowa. Showing no disrespect toward >Patrick, I had no inkling that it even existed when I was volunteering for >Indiana. >Esse > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Holly Timm >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 > >At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >>Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - >>no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk >>comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. > >No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in >private. > >Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably >too unpleasant to refer to > >Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on > > >>Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm >>fire. Catch you later. >> >>Linda >> >>lhaasdav@mindspring.com >>Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >>Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >>List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >>Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at >>http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Esse Frye >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM >>Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE >> >> >> > Hi All; >> > >> > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner >>and >> > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... >> > >> > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? >> > >> > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it >> > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? >> > >> > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem >> > really is. >> > Esse >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esc mailing list >> > Esc@pairlist.net >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc >> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's happiness. ~Anonymous~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 00:00:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07176 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23097 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3665355B; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:00:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A3F5353F for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-173.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.173]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00659 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:00:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001b01c0792f$3a6cb340$ad2b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20010107171901.00e35f00@mail.netdoor.com> <012c01c07910$0749f960$3bb3f5d0@computer> Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:55:28 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Shari, just an observation . . . but they are getting sidetracked trying to interpret the report. That will be the SEC's job. Also, there wouldn't be such a delay getting the vote going if Esse could start working as the Board Secretary. Another vote that's gotten mislaid. And, Shari, one other thing . . . you need a brownie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shari Handley" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > (Shari walks slowly and quietly into the ESC room, carefully closes the door, picks up a throw pillow from the couch, > places it over her face, and . . . .) > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH! > > Whew! Thanks, folks. I needed to get that off my chest. > > Shari > (Placing throw pillow neatly back on the couch, straightening hair, and quietly exiting the room once again.) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carol C-H > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > > > > At 03:52 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: > > >Hi All; > > > > > >It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > > >and knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > > > >What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > > > >Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > > >is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > > > >I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > > >really is. > > >Esse > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Esse, I can not even begin to imagine what the problem is, but one thing I > > do know - I do not envy the wonderful folks I got to know better on this > > committee who are a part of that board. How and why they tolerate it is > > beyond me - IMHO, life is too short to deal with such. > > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's > > happiness. ~Anonymous~ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 00:07:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07955 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24172 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:07:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC22053584; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:06:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8785357B for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-173.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.173]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA01087 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:05:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003701c0792f$fb066ce0$ad2b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20010107223956.029a3710@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:00:52 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: They have to vote on the motion after its been seconded. RRoO requires it. In fact, someone could start making a stink (Shari or Holly?) that the discussion time is ended and now it must be put to a vote. I remember awhile back someone made a stink because a seconded motion hadn't been voted on and Tim finally got his email answered and put it to a vote. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > What happens if it doesn't come up for a vote? > > Carol > > At 10:26 PM 01/07/2001, you wrote: > >Here, Holly (Esse passing the tissues.) Give yourself a good cry and then > >go at them with full barrols.. > >Carol; I had no idea about the squabbles. I had just found out about the > >Board after I took over my sites for Iowa. Showing no disrespect toward > >Patrick, I had no inkling that it even existed when I was volunteering for > >Indiana. > >Esse > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: Holly Timm > >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > >To: esc@pairlist.net > >Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 > > > >At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >>Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - > >>no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk > >>comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. > > > >No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in > >private. > > > >Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably > >too unpleasant to refer to > > > >Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on > > > > > >>Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm > >>fire. Catch you later. > >> > >>Linda > >> > >>lhaasdav@mindspring.com > >>Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >>Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > >>List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > >>Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > >>http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Esse Frye > >>To: > >>Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM > >>Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > >> > >> > >> > Hi All; > >> > > >> > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > >>and > >> > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > >> > > >> > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > >> > > >> > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as it > >> > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > >> > > >> > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the problem > >> > really is. > >> > Esse > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Esc mailing list > >> > Esc@pairlist.net > >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >> > > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Esc mailing list > >>Esc@pairlist.net > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > Worry doesn't help tomorrow's troubles, but it does ruin today's > happiness. ~Anonymous~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 03:10:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA22616 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12879 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891F053558; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:10:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2B753558 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from patrick (pool-63.52.160.2.dlls.grid.net [63.52.160.2]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA30837 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:08:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005a01c0794a$ad5762e0$02a0343f@patrick> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:11:58 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Esse, I wasn't the SC yet when you were volunteering for Indiana, so no disrespect taken. The year before I took over (August 2000), there was very little traffic on the INGenWeb list of any sort, hopefully people aren't afraid to use that list anymore. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esse Frye" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Here, Holly (Esse passing the tissues.) Give yourself a good cry and then > go at them with full barrols.. > Carol; I had no idea about the squabbles. I had just found out about the > Board after I took over my sites for Iowa. Showing no disrespect toward > Patrick, I had no inkling that it even existed when I was volunteering for > Indiana. > Esse > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Holly Timm > Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > To: esc@pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 > > At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - > >no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk > >comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. > > No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in > private. > > Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably > too unpleasant to refer to > > Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on > > > >Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm > >fire. Catch you later. > > > >Linda > > > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com > >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > >Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > >http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Esse Frye > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM > >Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > >and > > > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > > > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > > > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as > >it > > > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > > > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the > >problem > > > really is. > > > Esse > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 06:30:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA04540 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02345 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:30:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF41953582; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:30:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.195]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2FB53541 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 06:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:28:08 -0800 Received: from 63.66.233.207 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jan 2001 11:28:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.207] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2001 11:28:08.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[13315880:01C07966] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 06:28:07 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Patrick; I understand. Believe me, I understand! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patrick Hays" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 02:11:58 -0600 Esse, I wasn't the SC yet when you were volunteering for Indiana, so no disrespect taken. The year before I took over (August 2000), there was very little traffic on the INGenWeb list of any sort, hopefully people aren't afraid to use that list anymore. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esse Frye" To: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Here, Holly (Esse passing the tissues.) Give yourself a good cry and then > go at them with full barrols.. > Carol; I had no idea about the squabbles. I had just found out about the > Board after I took over my sites for Iowa. Showing no disrespect toward > Patrick, I had no inkling that it even existed when I was volunteering for > Indiana. > Esse > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Holly Timm > Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net > To: esc@pairlist.net > Subject: Re: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:08:32 -0600 > > At 05:33 PM 1/7/01 -0600, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >Hi Esse: Can you believe it? The nomination has been out there for a week - > >no discussion and then when the call for the vote is made here the junk > >comes. If the AB has been discussing this in private I haven't heard. > > No, it hasn't been being discussed in private, very little is discussed in > private. > > Frankly, I am heartsick and distraught and a few other emotions probably > too unpleasant to refer to > > Pass the kleenex someone, I feel tears coming on > > > >Well we shall see I guess . I'm off to the couch, a good book and a warm > >fire. Catch you later. > > > >Linda > > > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com > >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > >Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at > >http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Esse Frye > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:52 PM > >Subject: [ESC] SEC COMMITTEE > > > > > > > Hi All; > > > > > > It looks to be a quiet room right now, so I will find a nice dark corner > >and > > > knock my head against the wall! ARGHH.... > > > > > > What is so hard in understanding what we as a committee came up with? > > > > > > Why is Richard and Maggie stalling? If they don't want the proposal as > >it > > > is, why then don't they just say no. Was it a waste of our time? > > > > > > I am being a pest as usual, but I sure would like to know what the > >problem > > > really is. > > > Esse > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 14:50:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12971 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29067 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1FE5353E; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:50:40 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BA153530 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.179]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010108194928.EOEH10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:49:28 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ESC] report acceptance Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:57:08 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority Report. I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, that not being my strong point ... Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 15:00:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14937 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00754 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6ED5357D; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:00:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1324D53530 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 14:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-067.efn.org (pm3-067.efn.org [206.163.180.67]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f08JwVh14752 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:58:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A5A1D1F.1723@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 12:03:43 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Holly, I was on the minority opinion side more than once, but I think we should remove them from the report, if that is what it will take. I can live with the report as it stands (without the minority opinioin), and I bet the rest of us can, too. They are losing valuable time and best get on it! John Holly Timm wrote: > > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority Report. > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > that not being my strong point ... > > Holly > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 15:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15998 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02091 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66DE53534; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:06:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552E753536 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.179]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010108200404.ERJS10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:04:04 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108150425.00deb8b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ESC] more on report acceptance Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:11:45 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: The relevant portions of RRO: http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-09.htm#53 http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-09.htm#54 the appropriate wording for accepting the Minority report is to *receive* it _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 18:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12967 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12134 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF16E535E0; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:20:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E69535BB for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (pool-4-120.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.120]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA20474 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:21:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004d01c079c8$c81037a0$782b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:08:56 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer not to get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote for the chair. I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far from what we all intended. I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority Report. > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > that not being my strong point ... > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 18:34:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14661 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14811 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E1053537; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:34:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC3E535C3 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-166.efn.org (pm3-166.efn.org [206.163.180.166]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f08NW8F25579 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A5A4F2B.7D5C@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> <004d01c079c8$c81037a0$782b95d0@youda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:37:15 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: If the report has been accepted, what is the debate? It is up to the committee now. Is the committee up and functioning? If the committee is up and functioning, the board was supposed to take a hands-off approach. The only thing the board was to do was to approve or disapprove the committee. I thought that was what the hold up was a week or two ago. Just now, it sounded like I had misunderstood, and they haven't even approved the report, but since Carol has refreshed my (our?) memory, I would like to know what the status of the election committee is (not us, the ESC, but the EC). Thanks for helping to clear the haze. John John Carol wrote: > > The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer not to > get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the > report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more > debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote > for the chair. > > I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are > wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With > Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far > from what we all intended. > > I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the > nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't > rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! > > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Holly Timm" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM > Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > > > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority > Report. > > > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > > that not being my strong point ... > > > > Holly > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 19:32:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20681 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25487 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA80535EB; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:32:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.15]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCC353537 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:31:54 -0800 Received: from 63.118.118.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jan 2001 00:31:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.118.118.53] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2001 00:31:54.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[912BA1B0:01C079D3] Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:31:54 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Holly; I agree with Carol. The report has been accepted as is. Don't change it. Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Carol" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:08:56 -0600 The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer not to get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote for the chair. I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far from what we all intended. I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority Report. > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > that not being my strong point ... > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 19:46:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22011 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27757 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6760653540; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:46:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0795E5352F for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from flash.net (ip113.oklahoma-city23.ok.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.82.113]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09065 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:44:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A5A5D52.C2DFB60@flash.net> From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: bchada@flash.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:37:38 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Holly, that sounds good to me. We do need to get something done. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 19:47:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22130 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28045 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAA3535D1; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:46:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from sallib.sals.edu (sallib.sals.edu [198.175.242.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C3A05352F for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by sallib.sals.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:39:49 -0500 From: Robert Sullivan To: esc@pairlist.net Cc: SCP_SULLI@sals.edu Message-Id: <010108193949.cf4e@sals.edu> Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:39:49 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: Carol from Wyoming wrote: >I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the >nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't >rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! Perhaps we should take this as a sign that our committee actually accomplished something - why else would there be such an effort to sidetrack it? To use our effort to unify by including diverse opinions against us? In my not so humble opinion, anyone who pursues this line of reasoning 1) does not have the best interests of the Project at heart and 2) doesn't care about looking like a jackass in print, since no rational person could interpret the intent this way. Cf. the dissenting opinions published by the Supreme Court - they are there for the record, not because they are supposed to be reconciled with the majority. Returning to the shadows, Bob Sullivan _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 19:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22414 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28356 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5ADF535CC; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:50:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8B3535EB for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from flash.net (ip113.oklahoma-city23.ok.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.82.113]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15887 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:48:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A5A5E32.C9040965@flash.net> From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] and more #3 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108152556.03e4bc20@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: bchada@flash.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:41:22 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Holly, from what I can remember, I believe you have done a good job of splitting it out. Perhaps with the appropriate motion the Board can now stop the game playing and move forward. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24516 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01744 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AC2535F2; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:10:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0213B5357A for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-166.efn.org (pm3-166.efn.org [206.163.180.166]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f0918GF16055 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:08:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A5A65BA.2B82@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010108195057.03dad1a0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:13:30 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Holly and all, Seems to me RRO should have been brought up BEFORE the vote on the report. Sounds like the horse is already out of the barn. Holly, you mentioned an amendment...I missed that, but I presume the amendment separates the majority from the minority and more or less makes them two separate reports so that the board can move on? If that is correct, that seems like a quick, but reasonable fix to the problem, although I am confounded by the fact that RRO was brought up AFTER the report was accepted. Oh well, I am confused enough, but more frustrated by the fact that two or more weeks have been lost already, and I bet a syber cup of coffee that we will see the effect of it later on... John Holly Timm wrote: > > At 05:08 PM 1/8/01 -0600, Carol wrote: > >The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer not to > >get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the > >report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more > >debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote > >for the chair. > > Carol, John... everybody... > the technicality of RRO is real and must be addressed... it is being done > so with an amendment which if it fails still leaves the approval intact so > that is not endangered. We will Call the Question as quickly as possible to > eliminate debate. > > okay... now the formal part is said.... frankly, I think the whole thing is > stupid and the inability of some people to put common sense before RRO is > insane but they exist and to not to do our best to deal with it at this > point is better than some big fracas down the road trying to invalidate an > entire election due to an illegally formed EC committee, whether they could > win at that or not is besides the point, they could make enough ugliness we > could lose more good people. > > PS: I did insist that we *receive* the Minority Report! > > >I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are > >wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With > >Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far > >from what we all intended. > > > >I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the > >nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't > >rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! > > > >Carol > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Holly Timm" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM > >Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > > > > > > > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > > > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > > > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > > > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > > > > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > > > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > > > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > > > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > > > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > > > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority > >Report. > > > > > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > > > that not being my strong point ... > > > > > > Holly > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:12:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24662 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02066 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0056A53580; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from sallib.sals.edu (sallib.sals.edu [198.175.242.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E844535CF for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by sallib.sals.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:05:25 -0500 From: Robert Sullivan To: esc@pairlist.net Cc: SCP_SULLI@sals.edu Message-Id: <010108200525.cf4e@sals.edu> Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:05:25 -0500 Status: RO X-Status: >That may very well be the intent of some... that or they don't like the >idea of properly run elections Yes, that's what I meant. :-) >RRO was quite clear though and the fear of the person involved was that >down the road it could be used to undo what we have done although he didn't >express himself well Unfortunately I lost my job this morning but >fortunately that gave me the time and opportunity to talk at length with >him and sort things out. My sympathies on your situation. My concern is that whatever the impetus for the objection, this will fuel the feeling that it's just more of the same Board delays. Perhaps a posted clarification would allay this. Bob Sullivan _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:12:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24668 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02077 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE0C535AE; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:12:03 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C180E5357A for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm3-166.efn.org (pm3-166.efn.org [206.163.180.166]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f091BXF16730 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:11:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A5A667F.2611@efn.org> From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Holly's Job References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108200309.028bc130@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 17:16:47 -0800 Status: RO X-Status: Dang, Holly...sorry to hear about your job. On the bright side, you made it through the holidays first. It is a bummer to lose a job just before the holidays...that happened to me once, and it was totally unexpected. I hope things will work out as well for you as they did for me afterwards. John Holly Timm wrote: > > At 07:39 PM 1/8/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Perhaps we should take this as a sign that our committee actually accomplished > >something - why else would there be such an effort to sidetrack it? To > >use our > >effort to unify by including diverse opinions against us? > > That may very well be the intent of some... that or they don't like the > idea of properly run elections > > >In my not so humble opinion, anyone who pursues this line of reasoning 1) does > >not have the best interests of the Project at heart and 2) doesn't care about > >looking like a jackass in print, since no rational person could interpret the > >intent this way. Cf. the dissenting opinions published by the Supreme Court - > >they are there for the record, not because they are supposed to be reconciled > >with the majority. > > RRO was quite clear though and the fear of the person involved was that > down the road it could be used to undo what we have done although he didn't > express himself well Unfortunately I lost my job this morning but > fortunately that gave me the time and opportunity to talk at length with > him and sort things out. > > >Returning to the shadows, > > > >Bob Sullivan > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:48:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28329 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08190 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53487535FE; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:48:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC929535CC for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.226]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010109014748.IHCI10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108204219.00c96e50@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance In-Reply-To: <3A5A65BA.2B82@efn.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010108195057.03dad1a0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:55:26 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 05:13 PM 1/8/01 -0800, John McCoy wrote: >Seems to me RRO should have been brought up BEFORE the vote on the >report. Sounds like the horse is already out of the barn. Yup it should have... but it wasn't >Holly, you mentioned an amendment...I missed that, but I presume the amendment >separates the majority from the minority and more or less makes them two >separate reports so that the board can move on? If that is correct, that >seems like a quick, but reasonable fix to the problem, although I am >confounded by the fact that RRO was brought up AFTER the report was >accepted. That is what the amendment does >Oh well, I am confused enough, but more frustrated by the >fact that two or more weeks have been lost already, and I bet a syber >cup of coffee that we will see the effect of it later on... one reason for starting as far back from the election as we could >John > > >Holly Timm wrote: > > > > At 05:08 PM 1/8/01 -0600, Carol wrote: > > >The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer > not to > > >get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the > > >report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more > > >debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote > > >for the chair. > > > > Carol, John... everybody... > > the technicality of RRO is real and must be addressed... it is being done > > so with an amendment which if it fails still leaves the approval intact so > > that is not endangered. We will Call the Question as quickly as possible to > > eliminate debate. > > > > okay... now the formal part is said.... frankly, I think the whole thing is > > stupid and the inability of some people to put common sense before RRO is > > insane but they exist and to not to do our best to deal with it at this > > point is better than some big fracas down the road trying to invalidate an > > entire election due to an illegally formed EC committee, whether they could > > win at that or not is besides the point, they could make enough ugliness we > > could lose more good people. > > > > PS: I did insist that we *receive* the Minority Report! > > > > >I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are > > >wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With > > >Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far > > >from what we all intended. > > > > > >I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the > > >nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't > > >rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! > > > > > >Carol > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Holly Timm" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM > > >Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > > > > > > > > > > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... > it seems > > > > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority > opinions > > > > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that > acceptance of > > > > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > > > > > > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best > thing to do > > > > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... > well, > > > > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > > > > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a > motion > > > > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > > > > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority > > >Report. > > > > > > > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the > motion, > > > > that not being my strong point ... > > > > > > > > Holly > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Esc mailing list > > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Esc mailing list > > >Esc@pairlist.net > > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:53:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28868 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08916 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:53:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B529453628; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:52:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2147F53535 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from flash.net (ip113.oklahoma-city23.ok.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.82.113]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14995 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:51:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A5A6CF0.AC8A1654@flash.net> From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> <004d01c079c8$c81037a0$782b95d0@youda> <3A5A4F2B.7D5C@efn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: bchada@flash.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:44:16 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Actually, I, too, had forgotten that the report had been accepted. However, perhaps we did make an error in combining both the majority and minority sections into one report. But, then again, it should have been perfectly clear to anyone that the majority was to be implemented and that the minority was there for information. Even if we had done the report differently, and it was more "perfect" so to speak, it is obvious that questions would have still been asked. This, to me, is a good thing in that I certainly do not have all of the answers, and I suspect that none of us do (except for the apparently anointed few). Having said that, what I see going on are negative questions (debates if you will) designed to "pick every nit" in what appears to be an attempt to cancel out a valid attempt to bring order and fairness to the election process, rather that positive questions designed to move the process forward for the good of the whole. Is that the problem? The report provides for the good of the whole project rather than the good of the few? Fairness rather than bias? It is coming across to me that way loud and clear. We on this committee have done a good thing. What more can we do for the good of the whole project? -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 21:09:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00721 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11642 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5662F53616; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:08:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D4753580 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Linda (1Cust242.tnt4.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.26.133.242]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24847 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 21:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b901c079e1$94e03ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108200309.028bc130@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:09:30 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Hi everyone I just walked in from work. Just my 2 cents worth before I call it a night. Holly - I'm sorry about your job. No matter the circumstances it's always tough to handle. I appreciate your clear thinking on this mess and I'll go along with whatever you guys decide. Carol - Thanks for the vote of confidence. If I end up being chosen as temp chair I really will give it my best shot and if I end up on the committee I will do my best to make sure everyone understands WHY the ESC decided the way they did. To Everyone else: I would like to feel that Richard is actually trying to help ward off a bad situation that could possibly develop in the future, but damn he just can't seem to get his words into an order that's not guaranteed to offend most everyone and make the AB look like a bunch of kindergartners. One of these days we're all going to wake up and find out we don't have a project Now on that note. I wish all you good people a nice evening. I'm hitting a long hot bath and the bed. Take care everyone. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c Interested in Construction? Check out my new book - "The Scopes of Work" at http://www.builderbooks.com/bbstore/index.icl _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 23:20:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14136 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02719 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D51D53588; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:20:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5879553534 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (208-149-44-253.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.253]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27942 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:22:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c079f2$cb3b94e0$fd2c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <010108193949.cf4e@sals.edu> Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:15:23 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: LOL. I like the way you think, Bob. If we incorporated minority opinions, we'd have two presidents now? Gore and Bush? Well, as for the AB and the USGW, it's MHO that the entire shooting match is a study in "dysfunctional" behavior. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Sullivan" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance > Carol from Wyoming wrote: > > >I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the > >nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't > >rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! > > Perhaps we should take this as a sign that our committee actually accomplished > something - why else would there be such an effort to sidetrack it? To use our > effort to unify by including diverse opinions against us? > > In my not so humble opinion, anyone who pursues this line of reasoning 1) does > not have the best interests of the Project at heart and 2) doesn't care about > looking like a jackass in print, since no rational person could interpret the > intent this way. Cf. the dissenting opinions published by the Supreme Court - > they are there for the record, not because they are supposed to be reconciled > with the majority. > > Returning to the shadows, > > Bob Sullivan > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 23:26:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14641 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:26:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03751 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792425354C; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:26:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C0C53534 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from youda (208-149-44-253.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.253]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28715 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:28:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002901c079f3$9bf96300$fd2c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [ESC] Fw: [BOARD-L] amend Ginger's motion 00-36 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net X-Reply-To: "Carol" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 22:21:13 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: Didn't I just say something about dysfunctional behavior? Now, let's think if there were a better approach to correcting grammar instead of pointing her finger and saying 'yah-yah gotcha!' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Pettit" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] amend Ginger's motion 00-36 > >In a message dated 1/8/01 7:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >e.j.pack@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > > >> I second this motion. > >> > >> Ellen Pack > >> SE/MA CC Rep > >> > >> At 06:42 PM 1/8/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >> >As RRO (http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-09.htm#53) appears to > >> >muddy the intent of Motion 00-36 > >> >(Acceptance and Implementation of the ESC Report) therefore, in order to > >> >clarify the intent of the passing > >> >of 00-36 without undoing the progress made with its passing including > >> >the present vote on 00-40: > >> > > >> >I move to amend Ginger's motion 00-36 by striking out "Election Study > >> >Committee" and inserting "Majority > >> >Report of the Election Study Committee Re-Submitted 8 January 2001" and > >> >adding the words "and only > >> >receive the Minority report" To read "I move that the report known as > >> >the Majority Report of the Election > >> >Study Committee Re-Submitted 8 January 2001 be accepted in it's entirety > >> >and that the recommendations > >> >of the committee be accepted and implemented and only receive the > >> >Minority Report." > >> > > >> >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/majority.html > >> >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/minority.html > >> > > >> >Richard M. Howland > >> > >> > > > >I call the question. > > > >Tina > > Can't we at least make the sentence grammatical? The "be accepted" part is > passive, and the "only receive" part is active, with no subject. Either the > second clause should be made passive ("... that the Minority Report be only > received"), or the first clause should be made active ("that the Advisory > Board accept the Majority Report ... in its entirety and accept and > implement the recommendations.") > > Also, "it's" is a contraction of "it is." The possessive meaning "belonging > to it" is "its" with no apostrophe. > > I don't like being picky about grammar in informal communications, but > when we're recording something for posterity, it behooves us to pay more > attention to the niceties. > > -- Teri > > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 19:56:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23074 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29237 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7A0535D7; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:56:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E93E535AE for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.226]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010109005514.HKNZ10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:55:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108195057.03dad1a0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance In-Reply-To: <004d01c079c8$c81037a0$782b95d0@youda> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108145019.03e44ab0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:02:51 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 05:08 PM 1/8/01 -0600, Carol wrote: >The report has already been accepted. And, quite frankly, I'd prefer not to >get into a revote from the board on it. There's the possibility that the >report wouldn't pass for a second vote. More votes on it will mean more >debates. We've already seen the little cat fight over just calling a vote >for the chair. Carol, John... everybody... the technicality of RRO is real and must be addressed... it is being done so with an amendment which if it fails still leaves the approval intact so that is not endangered. We will Call the Question as quickly as possible to eliminate debate. okay... now the formal part is said.... frankly, I think the whole thing is stupid and the inability of some people to put common sense before RRO is insane but they exist and to not to do our best to deal with it at this point is better than some big fracas down the road trying to invalidate an entire election due to an illegally formed EC committee, whether they could win at that or not is besides the point, they could make enough ugliness we could lose more good people. PS: I did insist that we *receive* the Minority Report! >I feel strongly that it is up to the SEC to interpret it, unless there are >wildly differing interpretations that require the ABs intervention. With >Linda as Temp-Chair, though, I don't think things are going to go too far >from what we all intended. > >I'm usually one to support the AB. But, I tell you, I'm so sick of the >nonsense, just get it out of the ABs hands as quickly as possible! Don't >rework it. Don't revote on it. Just get the SEC formed and working! > >Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Holly Timm" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:57 PM >Subject: [ESC] report acceptance > > > > ok, you all have seen the problems over the minority opinions.... it seems > > that per RRO (and no I haven't hunted down the citation) minority opinions > > should not be included with an *implemented* report and that acceptance of > > it with them to implement means everything should be implemented .... > > > > yes... flies in the face of common sense but probably the best thing to do > > is to deal with it to which end I am considreing making a motion... well, > > let me back up... I am considering taking the report and stripping the > > minority opinions into a separate Minority Report and then making a motion > > that for the purposes of clarity of the intent of Motion 00-36 that we > > accept the Majority and Minority Reports and implement the Majority >Report. > > > > I'd like your thoughts and comments and also help with wording the motion, > > that not being my strong point ... > > > > Holly > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 20:02:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23759 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00567 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F0A535E9; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:02:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AF0535AE for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.226]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010109005959.HMIW10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 19:59:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108200309.028bc130@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] report acceptance In-Reply-To: <010108193949.cf4e@sals.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 20:07:38 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 07:39 PM 1/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >Perhaps we should take this as a sign that our committee actually accomplished >something - why else would there be such an effort to sidetrack it? To >use our >effort to unify by including diverse opinions against us? That may very well be the intent of some... that or they don't like the idea of properly run elections >In my not so humble opinion, anyone who pursues this line of reasoning 1) does >not have the best interests of the Project at heart and 2) doesn't care about >looking like a jackass in print, since no rational person could interpret the >intent this way. Cf. the dissenting opinions published by the Supreme Court - >they are there for the record, not because they are supposed to be reconciled >with the majority. RRO was quite clear though and the fear of the person involved was that down the road it could be used to undo what we have done although he didn't express himself well Unfortunately I lost my job this morning but fortunately that gave me the time and opportunity to talk at length with him and sort things out. >Returning to the shadows, > >Bob Sullivan > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Jan 9 08:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23710 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17995 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DB453587; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:48:02 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E748B535D2 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.37]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010109134603.MTHV10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 08:46:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010109084621.00dff560@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Fw: [BOARD-L] amend Ginger's motion 00-36 In-Reply-To: <002901c079f3$9bf96300$fd2c95d0@youda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:53:46 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: A At 10:21 PM 1/8/01 -0600, Carol wrote: >Didn't I just say something about dysfunctional behavior? Now, let's think >if there were a better approach to correcting grammar instead of pointing >her finger and saying 'yah-yah gotcha!' her eyes heavenward> all that energy and time on picking it apart (not that there is anything wrong with proper grammar) ... I want to know where the heck is that when it comes to positive things? we were far more focused on getting the motion drafted and going than we were on propriety and now it is as if we were just stupid children... sorry, I am having a tantrum here but I am just about worn out with this petty stalling crap everywhere we on the board who try to accomplish something do anything... I don't have any ------- energy left for "niceties" (fill in the blank, my choice is not polite) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Teri Pettit" >To: >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 7:27 PM >Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] amend Ginger's motion 00-36 > > > > >In a message dated 1/8/01 7:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >e.j.pack@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > > > > > >> I second this motion. > > >> > > >> Ellen Pack > > >> SE/MA CC Rep > > >> > > >> At 06:42 PM 1/8/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >> >As RRO (http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-09.htm#53) appears to > > >> >muddy the intent of Motion 00-36 > > >> >(Acceptance and Implementation of the ESC Report) therefore, in order >to > > >> >clarify the intent of the passing > > >> >of 00-36 without undoing the progress made with its passing including > > >> >the present vote on 00-40: > > >> > > > >> >I move to amend Ginger's motion 00-36 by striking out "Election Study > > >> >Committee" and inserting "Majority > > >> >Report of the Election Study Committee Re-Submitted 8 January 2001" >and > > >> >adding the words "and only > > >> >receive the Minority report" To read "I move that the report known as > > >> >the Majority Report of the Election > > >> >Study Committee Re-Submitted 8 January 2001 be accepted in it's >entirety > > >> >and that the recommendations > > >> >of the committee be accepted and implemented and only receive the > > >> >Minority Report." > > >> > > > >> >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/majority.html > > >> >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/minority.html > > >> > > > >> >Richard M. Howland > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I call the question. > > > > > >Tina > > > > Can't we at least make the sentence grammatical? The "be accepted" part is > > passive, and the "only receive" part is active, with no subject. Either >the > > second clause should be made passive ("... that the Minority Report be >only > > received"), or the first clause should be made active ("that the Advisory > > Board accept the Majority Report ... in its entirety and accept and > > implement the recommendations.") > > > > Also, "it's" is a contraction of "it is." The possessive meaning >"belonging > > to it" is "its" with no apostrophe. > > > > I don't like being picky about grammar in informal communications, but > > when we're recording something for posterity, it behooves us to pay more > > attention to the niceties. > > > > -- Teri > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Jan 8 15:20:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17864 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04600 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6503E53560; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:20:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B06253530 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.179]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010108201851.EUPU10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 15:18:51 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010108152556.03e4bc20@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ESC] and more #3 Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:26:32 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: stripped of the minority opnions http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/majority.html the minority opnions http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/minority.html _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Jan 9 10:58:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06892 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15754 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DA95354A; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:58:01 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0555355A for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.220]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010109155601.NVRI10619.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 10:56:01 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010109105842.02befba0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Fw: [BOARD-L] amend Ginger's motion 00-36 In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010109084621.00dff560@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Election Study List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 11:03:44 -0600 Status: RO X-Status: At 09:14 AM 1/9/01 -0500, merope wrote: >The thing that's so sad about this particular nit-picking is that its >coming from one of the last people on the Board I would expect it from. >[oops, dangling preposition there!] I don't mind being corrected grammatically ... but to do so in such a tone with not a breath of support for what we are trying to accomplish is exceedingly disheartening and disheartened overall is a considerable problem on the board with those who truly want the best for the project... those who aren't in this for control and micromanagement and sweeping what they don't like under the rug. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc