From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 15:37:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06333 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09278 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 24F6D3C171; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B803C16F for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.85.ee9330 (4159) for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <85.ee9330.26fbbd60@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:37:04 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/21/00 9:53:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, moer0020@tc.umn.edu writes: << Maybe the standing committee could serve two year terms with the two years broken in half so one half of the committee will be new every year. New people will be on every year, yet the experience of the previous years will not be forgotten as has happened in past elections when each committee had to hash everything out on its own. Jerimiah >> Sounds like a good idea for keeping experianced members. But would this mean elections for this as well? just a thought. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 19:51:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03181 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21138 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CCD043C158; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5263C131 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.95]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000921235107.KWKD17935.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:51:07 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000921183826.00afaba0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:51:02 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:04 AM 9/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >My thoughts on this (of a Standing Committee) is that I would rather see a >new committee appointed every year, I agree to an extent. Perhaps the Chair be subject to re-appointment at the beginning of the new AB term, without a term limitation. It is hopeful, and even desired, that an entirely new EC would not be formed every year. Experience is invaluable, and a major reason for a standing EC. I also can see a need for the EC to be granted an option to add additional members, as needed. The EC should also maintain a list of qualified interested individuals who could be called upon with short notice, in the event of resignations, etc. Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 20:57:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08817 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00739 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A54263C18E; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CC63C133 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.254.32] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:56:57 -0500 Message-Id: <002101c0242f$31b237c0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <85.ee9330.26fbbd60@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I don't have a preference on the the mechanics of choosing committee members, but the EC cannot keep reinventing the wheel every year. That is *part* of the problem the committee faced this year. While I was on last year, I don't have an archive of the proceedings, how we dealt with the problems, and specific decisions. Because it was only a temporary committee, I deleted almost all of it. Everything started from scratch this year at what I consider to be a very late date. It simply isn't fair to the EC. With half of the members experience, at least there will be some continuity and the EC can improve the wheel rather than reinvent every year. Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee > In a message dated 9/21/00 9:53:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > moer0020@tc.umn.edu writes: > > << Maybe the standing committee could serve two year terms with the two years > broken in half so one half of the committee will be new every year. New > people will be on every year, yet the experience of the previous years will > not be forgotten as has happened in past elections when each committee had > to hash everything out on its own. > > Jerimiah >> > > > Sounds like a good idea for keeping experianced members. But would this mean > elections for this as well? > > just a thought. > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 21:38:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11987 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06324 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6F4FA3C142; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (unknown [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6310A3C133 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp84-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.100]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06871 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <007a01c02434$cc4d6f20$64b3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <007601c02427$bb00f320$762b95d0@youda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:03:28 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree with Carol here. The only potential problem I can envision is this - do you think we may have trouble finding volunteers willing to serve a 2-year term on the EC, which is, to a large extent, a difficult, thankless job? Shari Handley shari@tyaskin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee > > > > As to selecting a committee, I would think I would leave that up to > the > > > > board and let them have a consensus as to who should be seated. > > > > > snip > > > Speaking as a member of the Election Study Committee, may I recommend that > > we leave composition of the EC up to that committee for now? That > > committee must submit a report to the Board in less than 6 weeks. If they > > don't recommend a standing EC, we can add it to our amendment. If they do > > recommend a standing EC, then the composition of the EC should be up to > > them to recommend to the Board. > > > > I would rather see a standing committee that is active at all times, with a > secure, voting website available at all times. > > It would be valuable for the AB to be able to know how people feel on a > particular subject. For example: right now, a question has come up about > how many people would be willing to contribute financially to trademarking > the USGW. If they could simply ASK us ALL, the matter could be determined > quickly and easily by a simple vote. > > There have been *so many* controversies and upheavals in this project. So > many people have left and dropped out, or become silent! What if we could > all VOTE on these things instead? > > Again, this is illustrative, and an example ONLY: when the CP was > de-linked, it nearly tore this project apart! What if we could have taken a > vote about whether or not to de-link BEFORE the CP was de-linked? There > would still have been the debating on the lists, but it would have been a > decision from all of us, and the responsibility for solving that problem > wouldn't have had to rest entirely upon one person, Tim, (who then had to > deal with all the uproar about it later!) > > If this were a physical organization, instead of a cyber-organization, we > would vote on matters that concern the project whenever a meeting was held > by a show of hands. But, instead we have this cyber-organization without > any method of making decisions by the majority, without the cumbersome > procedure of starting an election committee from scratch. > > With all due respect to you, Teresa, and the Recall Amendment: the problem > is that even if it passes, how does it get initiated without a standing > election committee to take the vote? I don't think we can depend on that > ammendment passing so that it adds a section about a standing election > committee. There are many other reasons to have one in addition to the > requirements of a recall amendment. > > Although I have a lot of respect for the AB, and feel strongly that we have > to support them, I also feel that they can't do it all because they aren't > superhuman. I think we need to specify what, how, and when, if possible. > General statements such as "a standing election committee" still leaves so > much to be determined that we are only throwing the question of it back to > the AB when they have asked *us* to figure it out! :o)) > > We need a standing committe. We need it composed of people who can deal > with the mechanics of a major vote within a few days time. My preference > would be to choose from a pool of volunteers, with at least one member able > to program or deal with cgi and/or encrypting who may or may not change > terms (how many computer savvy people are there?). I would like to see a > two years' term, half changing each year as already suggested. > > Carol > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 22:02:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14203 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10008 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 512B23C18C; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261BA3C122 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-089.efn.org (pm3-089.efn.org [206.163.180.89]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8M22Uv16016 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39CABEF9.D8@efn.org> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:07:53 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee References: <007601c02427$bb00f320$762b95d0@youda> <007a01c02434$cc4d6f20$64b3f5d0@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Shari Handley wrote: > > The only potential problem I can envision is this - do you think we may > have trouble finding volunteers willing to serve > a 2-year term on the EC, which is, to a large extent, a difficult, > thankless job? It is just my opinion, but I don't think it would be a problem. There are a lot of dedicated folks with this project. From what I can tell, when the call goes out for volunteers for different needs, there is always enough volunteers to fill the need and to form a reserve pool. Granted, maybe none of the committees were for two years, but the first year of the SEC, only half would serve a two year term if the idea is adopted to have half rotate out each year. Also, once the committee is up and running, they shouldn't have to face many of the problems that Jeremiah mentioned, which should keep burn out a little lower. John _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 22:57:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18735 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17526 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F13F03C138; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5983C134 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.bc.aa2528b (4541) for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:56:57 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Late introduction Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Hi, sorry I'm a bit late getting this out, I've had some severe technical issues with my e-mail. Thanks to Holly for helping me fix them. I'll be reading through the archives to catch up on the topics at hand, so until then (tomorrow) I won't be posting any opinions. My name is Chip Brown, I am a CC for several years from Tennessee. I am the owner of Maynardville.Com as well as Software Sales Company of Tennessee. I have a background in CGI (primarily Perl). I have access to friends that code in other languages. I am familiar with server operations and NT specifically. I tend to stay up on security issues. As such, I hope to be able to lend some idea and opinions on security issues both in servers and scripts we may consider for use. Granted I am far from an expert, and make mistakes. It's from all the mistakes I've made that I learn ways of avoiding them. I may not offer much on the topic of procedure and formality. In what reading of the archives I have done, I find many of you are way ahead of me in that department. So in response to Holly's suggestion that we leave this informal for the most part, I applaud that. Although I own a copy of Robert's Rules, I find their applications very vague and in most cases too open to personal interpretation. (JMO) And as far as the agreement to not reveal anything discussed here I agree to that too. I think that catches me up on all the important preliminary stuff. Thanks for allowing me to help in any way I can. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 19:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03832 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22406 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 54E183C15A; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8FA3C158 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-118.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.118]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22767 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:59:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007601c02427$bb00f320$762b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:51:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A > > > As to selecting a committee, I would think I would leave that up to the > > > board and let them have a consensus as to who should be seated. > > snip > Speaking as a member of the Election Study Committee, may I recommend that > we leave composition of the EC up to that committee for now? That > committee must submit a report to the Board in less than 6 weeks. If they > don't recommend a standing EC, we can add it to our amendment. If they do > recommend a standing EC, then the composition of the EC should be up to > them to recommend to the Board. > I would rather see a standing committee that is active at all times, with a secure, voting website available at all times. It would be valuable for the AB to be able to know how people feel on a particular subject. For example: right now, a question has come up about how many people would be willing to contribute financially to trademarking the USGW. If they could simply ASK us ALL, the matter could be determined quickly and easily by a simple vote. There have been *so many* controversies and upheavals in this project. So many people have left and dropped out, or become silent! What if we could all VOTE on these things instead? Again, this is illustrative, and an example ONLY: when the CP was de-linked, it nearly tore this project apart! What if we could have taken a vote about whether or not to de-link BEFORE the CP was de-linked? There would still have been the debating on the lists, but it would have been a decision from all of us, and the responsibility for solving that problem wouldn't have had to rest entirely upon one person, Tim, (who then had to deal with all the uproar about it later!) If this were a physical organization, instead of a cyber-organization, we would vote on matters that concern the project whenever a meeting was held by a show of hands. But, instead we have this cyber-organization without any method of making decisions by the majority, without the cumbersome procedure of starting an election committee from scratch. With all due respect to you, Teresa, and the Recall Amendment: the problem is that even if it passes, how does it get initiated without a standing election committee to take the vote? I don't think we can depend on that ammendment passing so that it adds a section about a standing election committee. There are many other reasons to have one in addition to the requirements of a recall amendment. Although I have a lot of respect for the AB, and feel strongly that we have to support them, I also feel that they can't do it all because they aren't superhuman. I think we need to specify what, how, and when, if possible. General statements such as "a standing election committee" still leaves so much to be determined that we are only throwing the question of it back to the AB when they have asked *us* to figure it out! :o)) We need a standing committe. We need it composed of people who can deal with the mechanics of a major vote within a few days time. My preference would be to choose from a pool of volunteers, with at least one member able to program or deal with cgi and/or encrypting who may or may not change terms (how many computer savvy people are there?). I would like to see a two years' term, half changing each year as already suggested. Carol _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Sep 22 07:22:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22677 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06282 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5A1973C14E; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACABA3C14D for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust13.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.13]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18752 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007f01c0247e$01982000$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921182636.02b69820@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:49:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly Wrote: > I think that the Standing Election Committee should consist of enough > people to maintain the mailing lists, one or two per region... probably two > for back-up... then, when an election appears (either the regular one or > special ones) all the SEC would have to do is add *workers* as needed to > manage the actual election. I have been thinking along the lines of a web page, maintained year around, where people could go to register, change their own e-mail addresses, etc. This could be integrated with a program that would send out confirmation e-mails every month or two. (SurName Helper has such an e-mail program.) Such a program could also be used to send e-mails to inform people about elections. If I'm not mistaken a web page was suggested by this year's EC. Should the web master of a membership page be changed every year? Linda H.D. lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Fri Sep 22 07:22:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22694 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06288 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5CD363C14E; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1EB3C14D for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust13.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.13]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA21687 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008401c0247e$03e396a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <007601c02427$bb00f320$762b95d0@youda> <007a01c02434$cc4d6f20$64b3f5d0@computer> <39CABEF9.D8@efn.org> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:15:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree with John - there are always a enough volunteers for most anything that needs to be done. And really two years isn't long if you're getting old because time flies by. And, even if a member had to resign within the 2 year period the committee could select a replacement from a group of alternates. And, perhaps it's just me having trouble thinking this all the way through, but wouldn't it make it easier to determine how a standing EC should be configured if we first decided what their jobs would be and how those jobs could be accomplished? In my non-cyber life I've always sat down and figured out what needed to be accomplished and what the final goal was and then I selected the people required to handle the job to serve on a committee to get all the details worked out. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee > Shari Handley wrote: > > > > The only potential problem I can envision is this - do you think we may > have trouble finding volunteers willing to serve > > a 2-year term on the EC, which is, to a large extent, a difficult, > thankless job? > > It is just my opinion, but I don't think it would be a problem. There > are a lot of dedicated folks with this project. From what I can tell, > when the call goes out for volunteers for different needs, there is > always enough volunteers to fill the need and to form a reserve pool. > Granted, maybe none of the committees were for two years, but the first > year of the SEC, only half would serve a two year term if the idea is > adopted to have half rotate out each year. Also, once the committee is > up and running, they shouldn't have to face many of the problems that > Jeremiah mentioned, which should keep burn out a little lower. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 21 18:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25750 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08585 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CAD323C149; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE3B3C121 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.35]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000921222334.JOLT425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:23:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000921182636.02b69820@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:29:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Committee In-Reply-To: <043e01c023e4$ff4261b0$0201500a@connie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 11:59 AM 9/21/00 -0400, Connie wrote: >Just a thought here - but would it be feasible for each of the regions to >elect a member to be seated on the Election Committee, and for the board to >appoint the remaining members? That would be one way.... I think that the Standing Election Committee should consist of enough people to maintain the mailing lists, one or two per region... probably two for back-up... then, when an election appears (either the regular one or special ones) all the SEC would have to do is add *workers* as needed to manage the actual election. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sat Sep 23 17:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02662 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08840 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 013263C14E; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092ED3C126 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.42.b12bb9d (3982) for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <42.b12bb9d.26fe77a0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:16:16 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Registration page Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/23/00 12:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Linda writes: << I have been thinking along the lines of a web page, maintained year around, where people could go to register, change their own e-mail addresses, etc. This could be integrated with a program that would send out confirmation e-mails every month or two >> I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their information up to date. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Sep 24 19:28:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12549 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29463 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 966B93C202; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D9A3C160 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-035.efn.org (pm3-035.efn.org [206.163.180.35]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8ONS0V18173 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39CE8F3F.4CA2@efn.org> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:33:19 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: MHet703234@aol.com wrote: > I think you are right Chip, getting rid of the voter apathy is going > to be hard. ALL TOO TRUE, but we can't dwell on it. We need feed back, and if anyone fills out the forms on this page, we will have more information than we have now. We might even find out why some of them are apathetic ;-) I think we will be better off focusing on the positive than the negative, and move forward with getting the page up and running. John > In a message dated 9/23/2000 2:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Morom01@aol.com writes: > > << I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! > > The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual > pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they > change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. > Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of > membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their information > up to date. > > Chip > >> > > I think you are right Chip, gettting rid of the voter apathy is going to be > hard. > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Sun Sep 24 22:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24087 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17957 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CE3A53C22C; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0493C229 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linda-s.netdoor.com (port1064.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.164]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18882 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000924210104.00ae0600@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: msgenweb@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:04:18 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Linda Mason MS SC Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: As a SC, I like this and I would personally do it, I keep my CC roster up to date with, a yearly update on all CC's, As a matter of fact we are running one now. My ASC and I both keep up with info and make sure we both have updated lists. Some SC's may balk at it, saying it's too much work. So here's an idea. What about a regional person responsible for the whole region. They could contact SC's say quarterly and ask for updates or a list to compare. Just my thought for the week! Linda At 05:59 PM 09/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/23/2000 2:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Morom01@aol.com writes: > ><< I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! > > The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual > pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they > change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. > Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of > membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their > information > up to date. > > Chip > >> > > >I think you are right Chip, gettting rid of the voter apathy is going to be >hard. > > >Mary Ann > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc ***************** MSGW SC CC & Listowner for Rankin & Warren UIN# 279574 _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 06:41:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA28903 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03391 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 01ED33C24B; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE2C3C21E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.21]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925104104.JRCY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925062946.030c2540@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:46:40 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page In-Reply-To: <39CE8F3F.4CA2@efn.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I think we're talking about two different pages here.... Mary Ann and Chip were talking about Linda's idea: "...a web page, maintained year around, where people could go to register, change their own e-mail addresses, etc. This could be integrated with a program that would send out confirmation e-mails every month or two. (SurName Helper has such an e-mail program.) Such a program could also be used to send e-mails to inform people about elections." John, I think you are referring to the survey page we began and were discussing possible changes in back in the "Voter Survey Page - thoughts" thread on 9/19. We need to finalize that and get it done and announced. Holly At 04:33 PM 9/24/00 -0700, John McCoy wrote: >MHet703234@aol.com wrote: > > > I think you are right Chip, getting rid of the voter apathy is going > > to be hard. > >ALL TOO TRUE, but we can't dwell on it. We need feed back, and if >anyone fills out the forms on this page, we will have more information >than we have now. We might even find out why some of them are apathetic >;-) > >I think we will be better off focusing on the positive than the >negative, and move forward with getting the page up and running. > >John > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/23/2000 2:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Morom01@aol.com writes: > > > > << I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! > > > > The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual > > pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they > > change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. > > Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of > > membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their > information > > up to date. > > > > Chip > > >> > > > > I think you are right Chip, gettting rid of the voter apathy is going to be > > hard. > > > > Mary Ann > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 06:54:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29567 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04430 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 212C13C261; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD5E3C21E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.21]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925105407.JWCL425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925064728.030a6e30@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:59:43 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000924210104.00ae0600@mail.netdoor.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 09:04 PM 9/24/00 -0500, Linda Mason MS SC wrote: >As a SC, I like this and I would personally do it, I keep my CC roster up >to date with, a yearly update on all CC's, As a matter of fact we are >running one now. My ASC and I both keep up with info and make sure we >both have updated lists. >Some SC's may balk at it, saying it's too much work. So here's an idea. > >What about a regional person responsible for the whole region. They could >contact SC's say quarterly and ask for updates or a list to compare. I like the regional idea... I do think that we can not expect all SC's to remember to let an EC know about changes in the roster over the year, there's enough little details floating around as it is . I think that one of the reasons to have a Standing EC is to do the work of maintaining current rosters and it makes sense to do this regionally. There are 12-13 states in each region I believe and a two person regional team (2 people per region on Standing EC) could work on maintaining the list for their region including building rapport and cooperation with their region's SC's. One way to encourage cooperation is some sort of Registration Web Page, perhaps one per Regions so the emails are then sent to the regional EC team who should then keep the central list informed of changes. enough early morning thoughts.... Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 06:57:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29787 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04775 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5A7F73C24E; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F8A3C21E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.21]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925105743.JXMV425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:03:19 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... Should there be an SEC? YES or NO _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 07:19:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01115 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06908 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0B5EC3C17A; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264BE3C12E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:19:51 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.217 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:19:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.217] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:19:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 11:19:51.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[85947FA0:01C026E2] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly; How are plans for the voter survey page? Have all the bugs been worked out and is it ready to go? If so, all we would have to do is broadcast the URL to all convenient mailing lists. Esse >From: Holly Timm >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:46:40 -0500 > >I think we're talking about two different pages here.... Mary Ann and Chip >were talking about Linda's idea: "...a web page, maintained year around, >where people could go to register, change their own e-mail addresses, etc. >This could be integrated with a program that would send out confirmation >e-mails every month or two. (SurName Helper has such an e-mail program.) >Such a program could also be used to send e-mails to inform people about >elections." > >John, I think you are referring to the survey page we began and were >discussing possible changes in back in the "Voter Survey Page - thoughts" >thread on 9/19. We need to finalize that and get it done and announced. > >Holly > >At 04:33 PM 9/24/00 -0700, John McCoy wrote: >>MHet703234@aol.com wrote: >> >> > I think you are right Chip, getting rid of the voter apathy is going > >>to be hard. >> >>ALL TOO TRUE, but we can't dwell on it. We need feed back, and if >>anyone fills out the forms on this page, we will have more information >>than we have now. We might even find out why some of them are apathetic >>;-) >> >>I think we will be better off focusing on the positive than the >>negative, and move forward with getting the page up and running. >> >>John >> >> >> >> >> >> > In a message dated 9/23/2000 2:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > Morom01@aol.com writes: >> > >> > << I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! >> > >> > The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at >>individual >> > pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when >>they >> > change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. >> > Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change >>of >> > membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their >>information >> > up to date. >> > >> > Chip >> > >> >> > >> > I think you are right Chip, gettting rid of the voter apathy is going >>to be >> > hard. >> > >> > Mary Ann >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Esc mailing list >> > Esc@pairlist.net >> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 07:20:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01150 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07068 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A29D13C17A; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f170.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.170]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63763C12E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:20:39 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.217 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:20:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.217] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:20:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Sep 2000 11:20:39.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[A21EDD50:01C026E2] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes! >From: Holly Timm >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? >Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:03:19 -0500 > >Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election >Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > >Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 07:22:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01351 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07232 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EC9E23C17A; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272D63C12E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linda-s.netdoor.com (port1219.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.19]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA03697 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:22:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925062052.00abd1b0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: msgenweb@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:21:12 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Linda Mason MS SC Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Linda At 07:03 AM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election >Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > >Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc ***************** MSGW SC CC & Listowner for Rankin & Warren UIN# 279574 _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 07:54:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA03082 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10120 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4F7673C25C; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6A3C14F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.49.1359c79 (16934) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <49.1359c79.270096e8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:54:16 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/2000 3:57:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << Should there be an SEC? YES or NO >> Yes Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 07:58:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA03314 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10589 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 868193C259; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from rmx194-mta.mail.com (rmx194-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41FD3C14F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web346-wra.mail.com (web346-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.73]) by rmx194-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA05278 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <380012570.969883128592.JavaMail.root@web346-wra.mail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathan Zipfel To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: RE: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 164.65.108.185 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Nate ------Original Message------ From: Holly Timm To: esc@pairlist.net Sent: September 25, 2000 12:03:19 PM GMT Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... Should there be an SEC? YES or NO _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 08:01:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03499 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10956 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F02C33C259; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DFE3C14F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1418.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.218]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15744 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:01:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000925065700.00af9ba0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:57:24 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Carol C-H At 07:03 AM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election >Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > >Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 08:24:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05165 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13633 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8A5413C1A0; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6F73C14F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05878 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id IAA0000032303; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:23:58 -0400 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.245.192.164 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com esc@pairlist.net wrote: > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... Should there be an SEC? YES or NO _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 08:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05299 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14114 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C1A9A3C14F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438E03C14C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.163.63]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000925122708.IBWD4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:27:08 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c026eb$9d02f280$0201500a@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:24:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes. > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election > Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 08:41:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06807 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16045 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4BEE83C1B1; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA2B3C14C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23753 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:34 -0400 (EDT) From: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id IAA0000000195; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:41:33 -0400 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: Re: [ESC] Registration page Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.245.192.164 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: As I said in a prior e-mail the major problem I have with the regional / SC concept is that (1) there are CCs who have multiple counties that span regions and I think it would be difficult to capture those duplicates if things were split into regions. Perhaps the regional thing would work if the sotware kicked out the duplicates. However I know of at least 1 CC who uses a different e-mail address for each of her 4 counties so she would never come up in a duplicate comparison (2) not all SCs keep up with their own CCs. I would rather see one site where all CCs could go to register, change their e-mail, etc. etc. This page should also have a slot for each county/state a CC has and then a slot for them to select a region. I would rather the SC kept up with everyone and not depend on a SC. Just my early morning thoughts. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com I like the regional idea... I do think that we can not expect all SC's to remember to let an EC know about changes in the roster over the year, there's enough little details floating around as it is . I think that one of the reasons to have a Standing EC is to do the work of maintaining current rosters and it makes sense to do this regionally. There are 12-13 states in each region I believe and a two person regional team (2 people per region on Standing EC) could work on maintaining the list for their region including building rapport and cooperation with their region's SC's. One way to encourage cooperation is some sort of Registration Web Page, perhaps one per Regions so the emails are then sent to the regional EC team who should then keep the central list informed of changes. enough early morning thoughts.... Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 08:43:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06902 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16263 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4FC713C12E; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEE63C125 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03175 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: lhaasdav@mindspring.com Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id IAA0000000263; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:24 -0400 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: RE: [ESC] Registration Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 209.245.192.164 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I HATE doing e-mail on-line !!! My last message should have said EC not SC for the election committee Linda H D _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 09:18:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09964 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21526 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D1CDC3C1B4; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (unknown [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086613C12D for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp112-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.128]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA25197 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:18:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c026f2$37cd0ca0$80b3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:12:09 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Shari Handley shari@tyaskin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:03 AM Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election > Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > > Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 09:22:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10367 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22156 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4A6AE3C275; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1F23C12D for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phays (user-38lc0h4.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.2.36]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21258 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009901c026f3$c9d287a0$240256d1@phays> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:22:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 5:03 AM Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election > Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > > Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 09:28:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10913 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23169 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 46BCE3C278; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A83F3C12D for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p242.amax20.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.82.242]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24844 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39CF4FA3.1D49D16F@flash.net> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:14:11 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 10:33:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17511 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04608 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 47D7C3C1AC; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from sallib.sals.edu (sallib.sals.edu [198.175.242.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 367F73C1AA for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sallib.sals.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:28:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:28:23 -0400 From: Robert Sullivan To: esc@pairlist.net Cc: SCP_SULLI@sals.edu Message-Id: <000925102823.18d3a@sals.edu> Subject: RE: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >Should there be an SEC? YES or NO Yes. Bob Sullivan scp_sulli@sals.edu Schenectady County Public Library (NY) http://www.scpl.org _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 12:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27765 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20324 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2CB993C1E1; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024463C189 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-108.efn.org (pm3-108.efn.org [206.163.180.108]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8PG33V12884 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39CF7874.282@efn.org> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:08:20 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: SEC? - YES John Holly Timm wrote: > > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election > Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > > Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 13:42:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08644 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07832 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 05E1C3C22F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0007D3C22C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-22.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.22]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA17659 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005801c02717$bbd678e0$162b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:30:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: yes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:03 AM Subject: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? > Okay... I think we are all agreed there needs to be a Standing Election > Committee (SEC for convenience) but I want to be sure... > > Should there be an SEC? YES or NO > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 14:21:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12976 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14638 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A27BA3C1FA; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5B3C1D5 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.3e.1531b36 (1759) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:30 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Apathetic Voters Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 10:34:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John wrote: << We might even find out why some of them are apathetic ;-) I think we will be better off focusing on the positive than the negative, >> I don't think that's dwelling on the negative, yes we need to get the page up, but just to throw things online is window dressing. :-( Let's look at each individual step and work it towards stopping the apathy. Apathy is only negative if we let it be. :-) How about this...On the registration\update page we put a form field for comments? I know we'll get some bad ones but it would be a great indicator of the mood, and possible problems that should be addressed. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 14:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13202 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14964 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9E4003C20D; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09723C1D5 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.46.b07fcb2 (1759) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <46.b07fcb2.2700f236@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 16:04:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24601 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03331 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6E6B53C136; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FE23C131 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-087.efn.org (pm3-087.efn.org [206.163.180.87]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8PK4VV14355 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39CFB10E.2CE4@efn.org> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:09:50 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Apathetic Voters References: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Chip, Holly is correct, I was talking about a different web page. The web page I was talking about is one for which we have a prototype up already, and deals with voter apathy. It asks the volunteers that were elligible to vote, but didn't, why they did not vote. I feel we have well established the fact that voter and coordinator apathy IS rampant. I feel it is redundant to keep bringing up the fact that there is a lot of apathy out there. :-) What I would like to see us do next, is find out why, and that is why I would like to see us get that particular page up ASAP. We only have a limited amount of time left, and it behooves us to get some feed back instead of guess at why the apathy was there. The sooner we can start getting feed back, the sooner we can start addressing the problem. As to the web page you referred to, you are right! There does not need to be a hurry on that. As a matter of fact, IMO, that could be the function of the SEC, should one be established. BTW, I agree with your statements. Please don't feel that I was challenging you. I sure did not mean to sound like that. I am more interested on moving forward with the feedback page now that we have well established the fact that apathy existed in the last election. Maybe it is just me, but I am starting to feel like we might be getting close to running behind schedule. I am always a little more comfortable with a cushion of time on our side. :-) John Morom01@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/25/00 10:34:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, John wrote: > > << We might even find out why some of them are apathetic > ;-) > > I think we will be better off focusing on the positive than the > negative, >> > > I don't think that's dwelling on the negative, yes we need to get the page > up, but just to throw things online is window dressing. :-( Let's look at > each individual step and work it towards stopping the apathy. Apathy is only > negative if we let it be. :-) > > How about this...On the registration\update page we put a form field for > comments? I know we'll get some bad ones but it would be a great indicator of > the mood, and possible problems that should be addressed. > > Chip > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 17:13:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02248 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16788 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DF1C03C147; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2528D3C125 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.b0.abcdbff (7402) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:12:59 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 6:57:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > Should there be an SEC? YES or NO Yes. Tina Vickery _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:21:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15902 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07869 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 808163C16B; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994443C169 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.19]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925232120.CPNJ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:26:56 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. Please comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can get it going http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:30:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17035 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09150 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C60C43C167; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998EA3C16C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.32.a826a72 (7866) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <32.a826a72.27013a15@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:30:29 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 7:21:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. Please > comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can get it > going > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > > Holly I think this survey, and the questions will certainly give us a good idea of the concerns of volunteers.. go for it! We will certainly need sustenance.. I call more coffee, and dare I suggest fruit.. I be stuffed full of donuts and pizza. Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:32:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17202 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09490 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7978A3C16C; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAE03C16B for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.19]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925233235.CZGL425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925193733.0421c170@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:38:11 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <32.a826a72.27013a15@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A One of the things that remained undecided was how we handle the responses At 07:30 PM 9/25/00 -0400, TVick65536@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/25/00 7:21:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hollyft@bright.net writes: > > > If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. > Please > > comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can get it > > going > > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > > > > Holly > > >I think this survey, and the questions will certainly give us a good idea of >the concerns of volunteers.. go for it! We will certainly need sustenance.. >I call more coffee, and dare I suggest fruit.. I be stuffed full of donuts >and pizza. > >Tina > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:48:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18625 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11776 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3F5FA3C17E; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F573C167 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.37.a9d59ef (7866) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <37.a9d59ef.27013e35@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:05 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 7:32:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > One of the things that remained undecided was how we handle the responses We have stated on the survey that the responses will be held in confidence, which I agree with! I think, whoever receives the results of the form, should post them to a text URL, that we can all visit. As someone pointed out earlier we will have both good and bad depending on your personal feelings of the comments.. I urge all of us to read what is written with an eye towards how we can incorporate the concerns into our work here. Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:53:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18929 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12432 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0C1323C16F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D313C167 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.19]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000925235307.DRVF425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:53:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925195654.033e9c20@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:58:43 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:38 PM 9/25/00 -0400, merope wrote: >I think we should remove the middle question ["if you did vote..."] > >I'm not sure how useful it will be to ask people to speculate on others' >motives, plus the concerns of those who did vote are addressed in the last >question. It would gather two sorts of information... actual from those who have talked to those who don't vote and what people see as the reason (accurate or not)... I would like to change it to not be so specific to just the last election... all the elections have had low turnout. Holly >-Teresa > > > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > > > > Holly > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 19:56:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19693 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13058 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 730D43C172; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2B53C167 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1016.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.116]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06390 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000925184002.0417ac20@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:52:37 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A I would eliminate the middle question, and word the last question: A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in recently held USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by an Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. Carol C-H At 07:26 PM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. >Please comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can >get it going > >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > >Holly > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:07:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20584 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14850 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B6C793C172; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08003C16F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.23.1536565 (7866) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <23.1536565.27014291@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:06:41 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 7:56:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cch@netdoor.com writes: > A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in > recently held USGenWeb national elections > and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by an > Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to participate? Please > elaborate - we value your comments. Perhaps given Holly's comments, and Carol's suggestion of the last question.. it can be worded to say ... "A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by a Standing Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments," to make it all inclusive of elections past and future. Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:09:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20851 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15158 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5B2AB3C167; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A689B3C13C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.19]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000926000946.EIBO425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925200551.033bd580@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:15:22 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000925184002.0417ac20@mail.netdoor.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:52 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >I would eliminate the middle question, and word the last question: > >A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in >recently held USGenWeb national elections >and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by an >Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to >participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. Simplified below... dropped the *chosen* part as perhaps they didn't choose... they didn't hear about it or get instructions or whatever... dropped the *by an Election Committee* so as not to constrain their comments to what they *think* the EC would/could do. A large percentage of eligible voters have not participated in USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done to encourage all eligible voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. >Carol C-H > >At 07:26 PM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >>If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. >>Please comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can >>get it going >> >>http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm >> >>Holly >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ >When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be >free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:29:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23015 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18333 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CEF283C137; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060263C127 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000926002936.TBUJ4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:29:36 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000925190631.00ad7d50@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:28:55 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000924210104.00ae0600@mail.netdoor.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I love the idea of a regional EC rep (or two) maintaining the lists year around. While we depend on the SC to provide the basic info, and to verify status of a CC, etc., it really should be the responsibility of the EC to maintain the list. It's a lot easier to refresh a list every couple of months than to create a new list once a year. And of course, an EC should be prepared, as much as possible, for special elections, recall, etc. Ellen At 09:04 PM 9/24/2000 -0500, you wrote: >As a SC, I like this and I would personally do it, I keep my CC roster up >to date with, a yearly update on all CC's, As a matter of fact we are >running one now. My ASC and I both keep up with info and make sure we >both have updated lists. >Some SC's may balk at it, saying it's too much work. So here's an idea. > >What about a regional person responsible for the whole region. They could >contact SC's say quarterly and ask for updates or a list to compare. > >Just my thought for the week! > >Linda > > > >At 05:59 PM 09/24/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>In a message dated 9/23/2000 2:16:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>Morom01@aol.com writes: >> >><< I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! >> >> The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual >> pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they >> change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. >> Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of >> membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their >> information >> up to date. >> >> Chip >> >> >> >> >>I think you are right Chip, gettting rid of the voter apathy is going to be >>hard. >> >> >>Mary Ann >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >***************** >MSGW SC >CC & Listowner for Rankin & Warren >UIN# 279574 > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:29:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23020 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18338 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 19FEE3C17A; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3960E3C13C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000926002937.TBUP4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:29:37 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000925190858.00b287b8@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:09:14 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Should there be an SEC? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925070117.00bf39a0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:03 AM 9/25/2000 -0500, Holly wrote: >Should there be an SEC? YES or NO YES _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:29:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23027 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18353 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BE2013C127; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21A23C177 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000926002939.TBUY4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:29:39 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000925191504.00abe888@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:31 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:26 PM 9/25/2000 -0500, Holly wrote: >If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. >Please comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can >get it going I think it looks great, though I'm not sure it's necessary to include the "if you did not vote......" question. Any answers there would be speculative in nature, and not necessarily meaningful. I'd like to see lots of good feedback, so I'm hoping the SCs will encourage participation. The answers could be very helpful. Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:33:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23294 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18900 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B5F683C18B; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD8B3C127 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000926003308.TDXQ4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:33:08 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000925193209.00abc1c0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:32:53 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925200551.033bd580@mail.bright.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20000925184002.0417ac20@mail.netdoor.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I like this much better. :-) Ellen At 08:15 PM 9/25/2000 -0500, Holly wrote: >At 06:52 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>I would eliminate the middle question, and word the last question: >> >>A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in >>recently held USGenWeb national elections >>and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by an >>Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to >>participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. > >Simplified below... dropped the *chosen* part as perhaps they didn't >choose... they didn't hear about it or get instructions or whatever... >dropped the *by an Election Committee* so as not to constrain their >comments to what they *think* the EC would/could do. > > A large percentage of eligible voters have not participated > in USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. > What, in your opinion, could be done to encourage all eligible > voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 20:48:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24776 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21020 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 558993C16F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E0A3C124 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.178]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000926004805.TKJN4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:48:05 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000925193350.00b55ae0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:48:00 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925193733.0421c170@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I think the answers should be confidential, per the statement on the survey page, even if the headers are stripped. I recall when on the By-Laws committee, my "job" was to gather remarks, suggestions, opinion from anywhere I could find them. I recall I copied the remarks (sans headers), and pasted them to a text file for viewing by the committee members. I don't think I put the file online - I think I just broke up the file(s) into several portions, and sent them to the committee members via the committee list. We may get too many responses with this survey to do that, so perhaps Tina's suggestion is the best - post the text file(s) to a URL (no headers) for "our eyes only." Ellen At 07:40 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Holly Timm wrote: > > > One of the things that remained undecided was how we handle the responses > >I remember someone saying they would strip out email addresses and post >them to a web page. This would be fine with me. If we want to keep the >responses private to this group they could be forwarded here, again with >headers stripped. > >-Teresa > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 21:48:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00038 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29612 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7FB9E3C18F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457533C139 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linda-s.netdoor.com (port355.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.55]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15627 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:48:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925204621.00accb80@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: msgenweb@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:47:41 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Linda Mason MS SC Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000925193350.00b55ae0@postoffice.att.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925193733.0421c170@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Ellen, Wasn't Mike who told us what to put on a page so that NO search engine would pick it up? I think that would be a great thing for this page. That way only concerned parties could see it. Linda At 07:48 PM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: >I think the answers should be confidential, per the statement on the >survey page, even if the headers are stripped. > >I recall when on the By-Laws committee, my "job" was to gather remarks, >suggestions, opinion from anywhere I could find them. I recall I copied >the remarks (sans headers), and pasted them to a text file for viewing by >the committee members. I don't think I put the file online - I think I >just broke up the file(s) into several portions, and sent them to the >committee members via the committee list. > >We may get too many responses with this survey to do that, so perhaps >Tina's suggestion is the best - post the text file(s) to a URL (no >headers) for "our eyes only." > >Ellen > >At 07:40 PM 9/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >>On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Holly Timm wrote: >> >> > One of the things that remained undecided was how we handle the responses >> >>I remember someone saying they would strip out email addresses and post >>them to a web page. This would be fine with me. If we want to keep the >>responses private to this group they could be forwarded here, again with >>headers stripped. >> >>-Teresa >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc ***************** MSGW SC CC & Listowner for Rankin & Warren UIN# 279574 _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 21:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00102 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29709 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 773073C18E; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207593C139 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-100.efn.org (pm3-100.efn.org [206.163.180.100]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8Q1nfV07487 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D001F6.34F2@efn.org> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:55:02 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000925200551.033bd580@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: It appears to me that Carol C-H got us on the right track and Holly put the finishing touches on a well-worded question: > A large percentage of eligible voters have not participated > in USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. > What, in your opinion, could be done to encourage all eligible > voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. Let's use it! :-) Oh, I almost forgot - there are bagels and lox on the table for those that would like to snack on something different. The lox were made in the Pacific Northwest from common Alaskan salmon that is not endangered . Enjoy! John Holly Timm wrote: > > At 06:52 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: > >I would eliminate the middle question, and word the last question: > > > >A large percentage of eligible voters have not chosen to participate in > >recently held USGenWeb national elections > >and/or runoff elections. What, in your opinion, could be done by an > >Election Committee to encourage all eligible voters to > >participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. > > Simplified below... dropped the *chosen* part as perhaps they didn't > choose... they didn't hear about it or get instructions or whatever... > dropped the *by an Election Committee* so as not to constrain their > comments to what they *think* the EC would/could do. > > A large percentage of eligible voters have not participated > in USGenWeb national elections and/or runoff elections. > What, in your opinion, could be done to encourage all eligible > voters to participate? Please elaborate - we value your comments. > > >Carol C-H > > > >At 07:26 PM 09/25/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. > >>Please comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can > >>get it going > >> > >>http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > >> > >>Holly > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Esc mailing list > >>Esc@pairlist.net > >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > >When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be > >free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 22:18:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02809 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03784 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E5DC03C17F; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B117C3C17E for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.a5.b8c16f0 (3986) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:17:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:17:46 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: SURVEY page - Important Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 9:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << Please comment on the wording >> The wording: "Please list your major concerns with the recently held USGenWeb national election and/or the runoff election:" Doesn't this assume that people have concerns? I think the question "Do you have concerns?" should be before this. And this should be used as a place to expand on their concerns "If" they have any. To say what are your concerns without asking if they have them first, slants it towards a feeling of they "Should" have concerns. No offense, just my opinion and from my experience of always wording things wrong. :-) Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Sep 25 22:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03027 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04343 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 068C93C168; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD743C154 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.71.6e307f3 (3986) for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <71.6e307f3.27016246@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:21:58 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] To John Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/25/00 9:49:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << BTW, I agree with your statements. Please don't feel that I was challenging yo >> Absolutely not, I don't feel you were challenging me at all. And the fact is, even if you were, that's okay, I feel that discussion (even both ends of the spectrum) is healthy. True we were talking about two different web pages, but don't you ever worry about having a different opinion than me. More than once my opinion has been changed by a better idea from someone else. I am like you, I'm beginning to see the deadline coming too fast. However, as we all know, anything we hastily do is often picked apart on the various lists. But even done hastily, at least were trying to do something. I am afraid whatever we do or suggest will be taken wrong by some and picked apart by others. But that issue is for another committee. Getting feedback from members, I feel, is our most important job. Thanks, Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 04:05:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA28827 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10111 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5E9B73C1A1; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD5613C19D for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-175.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.175]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA24616 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 03:08:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009901c02790$496fa000$af2b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:50:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I think all that needs to be done is to announce it. Dickering with the wording isn't as important as getting it going, I agree with John on the need for haste. The basic questions are there. So, go fer it, pardner! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 7:26 PM Subject: [ESC] SURVEY page - Important > > If we are going to do this survey, we need to get it up and running. Please > comment on the wording and the means of getting opinions so we can get it > going > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 07:15:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09879 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26820 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 10C363C19E; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707CF3C127 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.22.badc084 (7382) for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <22.badc084.2701df3f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:11 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft - Lists To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A In a message dated 9/26/00 6:44:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > please let me know (here on the > list) what USGenWeb lists you can post our announcement to, especially the > state lists. WI, ME (Actually, any in the NE/NC region.) Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 08:47:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16308 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07937 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0F5943C222; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324ED3C216 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port161.jxn.netdoor.com [208.137.132.161]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03686 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:47:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926073058.00e0fe60@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:43:12 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926064203.00bef530@mail.bright.net> References: <009901c02790$496fa000$af2b95d0@youda> <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:49 AM 09/26/2000 -0500, Holly Timm wrote: >The postings will go to escsurvey1@timmweb.pair.com >and then get cut/pasted to a text page.... please let me know (here on the >list) what USGenWeb lists you can post our announcement to, especially the >state lists. GA >Also, we need an announcement --- someone want to come up with friendly, >simple clear announcement encouraging people to participate? The USGenWeb Project needs your assistance. Please go to http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm and share your thoughts privately. Carol C-H (not yet awake - anyone else want coffee?) >Holly Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 08:52:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16795 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08619 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DC7C73C222; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AE33C216 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.61.773ef92 (3953) for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:51:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <61.773ef92.2701f5eb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:51:55 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/26/00 8:31:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ellen Writes: << MS business list (MSGEN) Chip, I'll give you the TN honors, if you want them. Ellen, willing to share >> Okay, Ellen I will take Tennessee and announce it to our state list, and get it announced on the "Official" announcement list for us. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 07:09:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09561 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26281 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 35BB63C190; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDCD3C127 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.a2.9f5a984 (7382) for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:15 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A In a message dated 9/26/00 6:44:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > Also, we need an announcement --- someone want to come up with friendly, > simple clear announcement encouraging people to participate? My stab at it... _____ The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for election procedures. Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important issue. http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm The Election Study Committee. _____ Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 06:44:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08316 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23931 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AF0203C19E; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D8F3C127 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.23]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000926104415.TCNY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926064203.00bef530@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 06:49:52 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm In-Reply-To: <009901c02790$496fa000$af2b95d0@youda> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000925180848.03282220@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 02:50 AM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol wrote: >I think all that needs to be done is to announce it. Dickering with the >wording isn't as important as getting it going, I agree with John on the >need for haste. The basic questions are there. So, go fer it, pardner! okay, one last look http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm The postings will go to escsurvey1@timmweb.pair.com and then get cut/pasted to a text page.... please let me know (here on the list) what USGenWeb lists you can post our announcement to, especially the state lists. Also, we need an announcement --- someone want to come up with friendly, simple clear announcement encouraging people to participate? Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 09:48:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21859 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17216 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1E10E3C187; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from rmx306-mta.mail.com (rmx306-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.168]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F783C121 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web395-wra.mail.com (web395-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.74]) by rmx306-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29711 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <379812885.969976067426.JavaMail.root@web395-wra.mail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:47:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathan Zipfel To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] SURVEY - final draft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 164.65.108.185 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly, looks fine. I'll announce it on my PA list. The Announcement that Teresa drafted looks fine as well. Nate ------Original Message------ In a message dated 9/26/2000 3:44:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << okay, one last look http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm The postings will go to escsurvey1@timmweb.pair.com and then get cut/pasted to a text page.... please let me know (here on the list) what USGenWeb lists you can post our announcement to, especially the state lists. Also, we need an announcement --- someone want to come up with friendly, simple clear announcement encouraging people to participate? Holly >> _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 12:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09179 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16521 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0A4D83C28B; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E5E3C1C8 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.b3.104f83c (4324) for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:02 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] So, Are we ready? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I thinks it's overwhelming that we like that announcement. Are we ready to start announcing? Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 19:55:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27689 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02550 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7D6EC3C155; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9956B3C140 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1253.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.53]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02315 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:55:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926184837.00d7cdf0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:52:18 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926173356.03f828e0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Who is gonna see the results? When do the rest of us get to see them? Will we know who is posting them and from what area? Can we encourage more posting if none is happening in "our" area, and maybe should we post that post directly to CCs in case they are not on the state lists, or not reading that mail? Carol C-H At 05:41 PM 09/26/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Okay, we'll go with Tina's words on the announcement so copy paste the >announcement below and use the subject line above... I'll get the main >lists including the SC list and the regionals and NY, I'm on a few other >lists and if I don't see it on any of those in the next day or so I will >post it there. > > > > >_____ > >The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to >gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb >Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be >used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for >election procedures. > >Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important >issue. > >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm > >The Election Study Committee. >_____ Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 23:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18702 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04837 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E372A3C1A0; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FCD3C190 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1253.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.53]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07141 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:20:52 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I am confused. I thought we were on a committee, and were going to study and try to use the results of the survey. I thought we would all get to see the entire results. Now in the post you just sent to the CC list, Holly, it reads like only one person will see original replies. That is not, IMHO, a committee thing to do. That leaves everything just like it was for the election - the rest of us on the committee have to take what bits and pieces we are allowed to see and are not allowed to work with the whole thing, but we are supposed to come up with something to make everyone feel secure enough to want to vote? Please explain - did I miss some posts or something???? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 23:37:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19610 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06372 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E21F33C19C; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4253C15F for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927033701.TUKZ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:37:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234038.03a5c360@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:42:38 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Carol, all that the committee will not see is the names, emails, identifying information, the committee will see all the responses. In a few minutes I will post here the urls, for this committee's use ONLY, of the pages of results so far. Holly At 10:20 PM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >I am confused. I thought we were on a committee, and were going to study >and try to use the results of the survey. I thought we would all get to >see the entire results. Now in the post you just sent to the CC list, >Holly, it reads like only one person will see original replies. That is >not, IMHO, a committee thing to do. That leaves everything just like it >was for the election - the rest of us on the committee have to take what >bits and pieces we are allowed to see and are not allowed to work with the >whole thing, but we are supposed to come up with something to make >everyone feel secure enough to want to vote? > >Please explain - did I miss some posts or something???? > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ >When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be >free. ~~ Charles Evans Hughes ~~ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From owner-usgw-cc-l@rootsquest.com Tue Sep 26 23:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20401 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seeker.rootsquest.com (rootsquest.com [209.19.155.237]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07326 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by seeker.rootsquest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12651 for usgw-cc-l-outgoing; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:42:40 -0600 Received: from oak.usgennet.net (root@[209.19.155.240]) by seeker.rootsquest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12646 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:42:39 -0600 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by oak.usgennet.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8R3ix128959 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:44:59 -0600 Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927034458.TZCW425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:44:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234622.03a5e5f0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:50:35 -0500 To: USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: USGW-CC-L: Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926215455.00c80670@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926174122.03fc1da0@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926174122.03fc1da0@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926215455.00c80670@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-usgw-cc-l@rootsquest.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org Status: RO X-Status: At 09:30 PM 9/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >So maybe I'm the only person online that can't get the form to work, but I >wouldn't think so. No, you're not the only one... quite a few have used the optional manual method I outlined to you in my previous email If the form was the only method available or of this was a vote you would have an issue but this is simply a survey, one with an alternative email if the form does not work for you. Holly From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:07:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22257 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09879 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D5A283C174; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484B3C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927040659.UKZQ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:06:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927001140.03688510@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:12:36 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000926224400.042879a0@mail.netdoor.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234038.03a5c360@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 10:44 PM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >Can we at least see the area? area?? you mean region... that's not clear from most of the emails Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:09:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22720 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10211 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 86BC53C174; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CB43C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1253.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.53]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01498 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:09:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926230504.00e34c10@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:06:21 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927001140.03688510@mail.bright.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20000926224400.042879a0@mail.netdoor.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234038.03a5c360@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Actually, i meant state - so that we could see which states have responded, and which have not - that might give a clue as to which areas need more emphasis, and which need to be reminded again of the survey, etc. - Carol At 12:12 AM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:44 PM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>Can we at least see the area? > >area?? you mean region... that's not clear from most of the emails > >Holly > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:15:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA23157 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10987 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 239AA3C17D; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A1B3C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927041544.UQDH425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:15:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927002034.00e76710@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:21:21 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000926230504.00e34c10@mail.netdoor.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927001140.03688510@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926224400.042879a0@mail.netdoor.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234038.03a5c360@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 11:06 PM 9/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >Actually, i meant state - so that we could see which states have >responded, and which have not - that might give a clue as to which areas >need more emphasis, and which need to be reminded again of the survey, etc. - They aren't being asked to identify their states, a few have done so by reference or signature, but just a few. >Carol > >At 12:12 AM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>At 10:44 PM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>>Can we at least see the area? >> >>area?? you mean region... that's not clear from most of the emails >> >>Holly >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ >The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are >loved. ~Victor Hugo~ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:17:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA23256 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11216 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B31F93C174; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DC73C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1253.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.53]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06470 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:17:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926231303.04248e50@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:14:07 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Election Study Survey In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927002034.00e76710@mail.bright.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20000926230504.00e34c10@mail.netdoor.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000927001140.03688510@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926224400.042879a0@mail.netdoor.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000926234038.03a5c360@mail.bright.net> <4.3.1.2.20000926221432.00e26100@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Oh. Well, I wish we'd have asked that. Carol At 12:21 AM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:06 PM 9/26/00 -0500, you wrote: >>Actually, i meant state - so that we could see which states have >>responded, and which have not - that might give a clue as to which areas >>need more emphasis, and which need to be reminded again of the survey, etc. - > >They aren't being asked to identify their states, a few have done so by >reference or signature, but just a few. > > > >>Carol >> >>At 12:12 AM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>>At 10:44 PM 9/26/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>>>Can we at least see the area? >>> >>>area?? you mean region... that's not clear from most of the emails >>> >>>Holly >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Esc mailing list >>>Esc@pairlist.net >>>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc >> >> >>Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ >>The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are >>loved. ~Victor Hugo~ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:20:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA23486 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11441 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 464EB3C174; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.42]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6762D3C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.252.52] by mhub2.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:20:30 -0500 Message-Id: <002b01c02839$71f1e8e0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926233327.03a50f00@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] survey responses Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:14:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: The comments so far are very interesting. I think they've pointed out some very valid problems with this year's election, but more importantly are describing issues that plague the project in general. This was an excellent idea. I also want to apologize for being quiet the last couple days. Just been very busy! Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: [ESC] survey responses > responses pasted... don't have the exact number as their were some blanks > and some duplicates > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response1.html > and > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response2.html > > (there is a link the bottom of page one to page two) > > I pasted the bodies of the emails... removing signatures and any > identifying information (substituting XXGenWeb for a named state genweb, > etc.) and removing blank replies where a question was not answered. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 00:48:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26018 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14526 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 71E0E3C17D; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C523C15F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1152.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.252]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19421 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:48:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000926233123.0403dcb0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:44:40 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] re:Confidentiality Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly, please know that I meant no disrespect in my post asking about the headers being stripped - I had assumed that "confidential" would mean confidential to the members of this committee, rather than to one person, and was taken aback when reading that would not be the case. I do think it would have been very helpful if committee members could have seen identification and located the primary "problem areas", unless they are throughout the Project - figuring that if there are states that have a large majority of participants, we could have used those as a learning tool, to increase participation in other areas. Of course, if the posters did not indicate the state in which they were a CC, that might have been difficult, unless one of us happened to know. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 04:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA09685 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03352 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0C74F3C263; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CAE3C22D for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-105.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.105]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA19610 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 03:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009001c0285a$9cf2cf20$982b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] state lists Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: If a Standing EC existed, they could maintain a mailing list as well as eligible voters list. Actually, it could be one in the same. An Election-Announce mailing list would also be a quick way to weed out bouncing emails. I think such a mailing list would have to be used strictly to announce elections or voting, candidate URLs, etc., sans politics of any kind. It would address the problem that not all SCs even notify their cc's of the elections. (just read some more replies and see that something similar was suggested by a "manual" post. Excellent idea.) Carol _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 23:53:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20896 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08066 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CF52A3C15F; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134E23C143 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927035258.UEAC425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:52:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926233327.03a50f00@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:54:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] survey responses Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: responses pasted... don't have the exact number as their were some blanks and some duplicates http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response1.html and http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response2.html (there is a link the bottom of page one to page two) I pasted the bodies of the emails... removing signatures and any identifying information (substituting XXGenWeb for a named state genweb, etc.) and removing blank replies where a question was not answered. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 23:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA21271 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08568 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 467873C163; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580A3C143 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.5]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927035619.UFOG425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:56:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927000149.03a6ba20@mail174.pair.com> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:01:56 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: An official question Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Chip, this went to esc-admin instead of the list... I'm gonna send it and my reply together to the ESC list... This is a simple basic mail script and yes, I get their email addresses so it is not 100% secret, but I am the ONLY one seeing their emails and I am removing them and any signatures, references to specific state genwebs (changing to XXGenWeb) etc. As to actual members.... looking through the list of responses in the mailbox I have set aside for them, I recognize a great many names from across the project. It's not foolproof, but as you said, I don't think it is much of a risk factor either Holly At 11:27 PM 9/26/00 -0400, you wrote: ><submittals to the survey are anonymous?>> > >I explained to them how forms and scripts such as Formmail works. I assured >this person that such scripts do not "Grab" your e-mail address. Therefore >(and I stated this was my opinion and not that of the committee) that >submitting the form would in no way (without they give it in their comments) >expose their identity. I explained that submitting by e-mail of course would. >Any of you folks got a better answer? Holly would you have an "official" >answer to this better than mine? > >Also something occured to me. This is very minor and needs no action however. >There is no way to tell that the replies we get come from actual members of >our project. I find it hard to believe anyone else would give a hoot, but >it's something I've been thinking about. > >Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 06:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA18520 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15046 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AF0B43C1A0; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC0F3C13B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.21]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927103556.SZH425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:35:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927063616.03317610@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:41:34 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] more responses Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: more replies are posted http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response1.html links to http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response2.html (posted final about 12:30 Eastern time, is that early this morning or very late last night? ) links to http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response3.html (posted this morning through about 7AM eastern time) Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 21:20:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05046 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14824 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 97DD03C170; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail.1starnet.com (mail.1starnet.com [207.243.104.17]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CCD3C121 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rootsweb [207.243.105.184] by mail.1starnet.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id AB4218D8014C; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:20:02 -0500 X-Sender: betsym@1starnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:20:03 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Betsy Mills Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <200009262020819.SM01276@rootsweb> Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Election Study Survey Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Okay, we didn't take into account that they might just reply to us instead of visiting the site. Betsy >From: "Charlotte Smith" >To: "Betsy Mills" >Subject: Re: [ARGEN-L] Election Study Survey >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:43:15 -0700 >Organization: Prodigy Internet >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-RCPT-TO: > >I really don't know much about what is going on politically with genweb >etc..so just let whoever is interested take care of the elections. I don't >really care about being involved in elections unless is concerns the >counties websites..etc. Charlotte Smith Jackson Co >----- Original Message ----- >From: Betsy Mills >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 3:17 PM >Subject: [ARGEN-L] Election Study Survey > > >> >From: Holly Timm >> >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Election Study Survey >> >To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com >> > >> >Please forward appropriately... thanks >> >____ >> > >> >The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to >> >gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb >> >Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be >> >used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for >> >election procedures. >> > >> >Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important >> >issue. >> > >> >http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm >> > >> >The Election Study Committee. >> >_____ >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: >> Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at >> http://resources.rootsweb.com/ >> > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Sep 26 17:35:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13388 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10304 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 86E283C168; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32353C13B for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.212]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000926213534.JLYI425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:35:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000926173356.03f828e0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:41:11 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_3187310==_.ALT" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Election Study Survey Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: --=====================_3187310==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Okay, we'll go with Tina's words on the announcement so copy paste the announcement below and use the subject line above... I'll get the main lists including the SC list and the regionals and NY, I'm on a few other lists and if I don't see it on any of those in the next day or so I will post it there. _____ The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for election procedures. Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important issue. http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm The Election Study Committee. _____ --=====================_3187310==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Okay, we'll go with Tina's words on the announcement so copy paste the announcement below and use the subject line above... I'll get the main lists including the SC list and the regionals and NY, I'm on a few other lists and if I don't see it on any of those in the next day or so I will post it there.




_____

The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to
gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb
Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be
used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for
election procedures.

Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important
issue.

http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm

The Election Study Committee.
_____

--=====================_3187310==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 07:32:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21691 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20603 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9AEEA3C27A; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f47.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.47]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DAF3C1C0 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:32:25 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.140 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:32:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.140] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] survey responses Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:32:24 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2000 11:32:25.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BB84290:01C02876] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: To All; It has been what I have been saying all along, part of the problem is that the CC's aren't getting the word passed down to them by the SC's. This is not intended to show disrespect to the SC's that are on this list though. It would have been nice to know what State they were reporting from, but that is now a moot point. From what I have been reading, they do have some valid points. Points that should be considered once we decide what to do. Also, there was mention from one that she had he/she had recvd two (2) different voter Id's for this years election. This is part of the problem. Enjoying reading the comments. Esse >From: "Jerimiah Moerke" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: Re: [ESC] survey responses >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:14:33 -0500 > >The comments so far are very interesting. I think they've pointed out some >very valid problems with this year's election, but more importantly are >describing issues that plague the project in general. This was an >excellent >idea. > >I also want to apologize for being quiet the last couple days. Just been >very busy! >Jerimiah > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Holly Timm >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:54 PM >Subject: [ESC] survey responses > > > > responses pasted... don't have the exact number as their were some >blanks > > and some duplicates > > > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response1.html > > and > > http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/response2.html > > > > (there is a link the bottom of page one to page two) > > > > I pasted the bodies of the emails... removing signatures and any > > identifying information (substituting XXGenWeb for a named state genweb, > > etc.) and removing blank replies where a question was not answered. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 08:15:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24611 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25325 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BD7533C2C1; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6959C3C26F for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust237.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.237]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05623 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <023201c02873$403f1540$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Survey Comments Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A I've just read all 3 pages of comments that have been posted. Did anyone besides me notice the same thing being said over and over? SCs not letting folks know things Voter ID problems Disgust with the CC lists/postings/people Not enough time and/or information to make decisions No feeling of confidence in the security of the vote I, for one, am delighted with the survey and hope we get a lot more posts. It should make our next job much easier since we will have some idea of the problems that need to be addressed. And, there are some really suggestions being made. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 08:15:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24617 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25329 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1CA423C2CA; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5FD3C2C5 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust237.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.237]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08008 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <023301c02873$416bae60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:02:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Deadline? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Someone (Holly?) mentioned that we (this committee) are under some kind of time restraint, is this true and if so what is our deadline? And if we need more time can it be extended? One of the problems with getting things accomplished in the past seemed to be that because there was not enough time to do it correctly things got kind of thrown together. >From the comments of the people responding to the survey I think that this committee needs to make the best recommendations possible and not feel that we "have" to get something together to meet a deadline. Am I mistaken about a deadline? Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 07:15:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20709 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18829 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 087FC3C249; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACA13C1C0 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust237.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.237]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22094 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018d01c0286a$d1c0ece0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" References: <42.b12bb9d.26fe77a0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:59:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A There will always be those folks who won't do what needs to be done for one reason or another. But, I do think that if everyone was made aware of a "membership" page the majority would respond simply because most people are used to keeping membership information up to date in their non-cyber life. A National Membership Page would make sense to most people. Frequent e-mail reminders checking addresses would also job people's memory that if they change e-mail addresses they need to update their membership. As for the people who don't change their e-mail on their own web pages I've helped a few people who don't know HOW to change it. For e-mail bounces I think the SEC should send the bounced info to the SC and ask for a current address. I'm suggesting that the two items above be assigned jobs of the SEC. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: [ESC] Registration page > In a message dated 9/23/00 12:07:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Linda writes: > > << I have been thinking along the lines of a web page, maintained year around, > where people could go to register, change their own e-mail addresses, etc. > This could be integrated with a program that would send out confirmation > e-mails every month or two >> > > I think Linda's page idea is a great step in the right direction! > > The problem would be getting people to do it. If you go look at individual > pages, you'll find many CC's don't update their own e-mail links when they > change addresses. However, I think Linda is on to the right idea here. > Possibly with asking SC's to update the page when they have a change of > membership, and the SC's encouraging their members to keep their information > up to date. > > Chip > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 10:28:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06952 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16890 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 185B83C130; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4473C12B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust237.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.237]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09096 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026c01c02885$cfb23ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:21:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Teresa: I wrote: There will always be those folks who won't do what needs to be done for one reason or another. But, I do think that if everyone was made aware of a "membership" page the majority would respond simply because most people are used to keeping membership information up to date in their non-cyber life. A National Membership Page would make sense to most people. > > You wrote: I'm of the opinion that we should make less work for the volunteers and not more. I think a web page is a great idea, but if we require people to go there to register to vote, a lot won't bother. The EC will still end up relying on the SCs for lists or to verify lists, so they might as well go to them right off the bat. However, I think the online registration option is a good one for the EC's webpage; certainly some volunteers will use it and that might save the EC some work [although they will still need to verify with the SC or SP coordinator]. My Comment: I personally would prefer a web site where I could go at my own convenience to check things out, change my e-mail address or register to vote, but that's just me maybe. I'm not suggesting we leave out the SCs, but if I remember correctly this election the EC had a tough time getting lists. And, I personally do not want to see the SCs making the decision as to gets on such a list. No offense intended to the SCs on this committee I wrote: Frequent e-mail reminders checking addresses would also job people's memory that if they change e-mail addresses they need to update their membership. As for the people who don't change their e-mail on their own web pages I've helped a few people who don't know HOW to change it. You wrote: I think we need to stay away from sending "frequent" email reminders to volunteers whenever possible. It seems to provoke many of them into activating their kill files Maybe quarterly announcements? My Comment: What I was referring to was an e-mail that says something like "Hi the EC is verifying e-mail addresses there is no need to respond to this" The e-mail doesn't have to give any information particularly, just use it to verify addresses. However, just the fact that the message pops up every 60 days or so will remind people that a spot exists to change their membership info. I don't think many people would find such a message irritating. I use SurName Helper for the queries on both my county and personal web pages and send such e-mails about every 90 days. I've had a lot of thank you's but never a negative comment. Additional Comments: In reading the survey responses it seems as if there are more than just a few people who have a problem with their SC and/or State list. The overall tone of the comments seems to be that people want a non-partisan, impartial site / list / board where they can be assured that everyone is treated the same. I think the web page I suggested would go a long way toward making that possible. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 11:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15824 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02515 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D3EEE3C249; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141103C23B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1344.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.144]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29546 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000927104002.00ccd9b0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:48:28 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page In-Reply-To: References: <026c01c02885$cfb23ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 11:40 AM 09/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Someone has to to decide who is eligible. Should that be the SC >or the EC? I guess my point is that even if we have 100% turnout to >register on the webpage, we still have to go somewhere to verify the >person is eligible to vote. That person is most likely to be the >SC/SPC. Some of the comments on the survey, and some comments I have recently received privately, indicate that there is a really serious problem with some SCs not letting their CCs know that there is an election, or even pressuring them re: voting. While I realize that there is probably nothing we on this committee can do to throw such garbage out of the Project (though why they are allowed to continue in their position is beyond me), it does seem that we need to find a way to work around them, effectively eliminating that step, so that they can not - either by example, or by overt actions - cause further destruction. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 11:35:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14149 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29183 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E8DE23C20D; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D183C16D for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.7]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000927153458.DSFT3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: <006601c02898$1fdfe200$0201500a@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: <009001c0285a$9cf2cf20$982b95d0@youda> Subject: Re: [ESC] state lists Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I really like both the idea of a mailing list and a web site maintained by the SEC - it could solve a lot of problems! I'm also partial to the idea of making voting mandatory - Yes, No, or Abstain, as though we were actually in a meeting. I've been quiet, and will continue to be due to a family emergency, but *will* be online daily and will add my 2 cents worth when needed. Most of the time - someone else says what I am thinking much more elegantly than I would have. Great group! Connie Bates ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:57 AM Subject: [ESC] state lists > If a Standing EC existed, they could maintain a mailing list as well as > eligible voters list. Actually, it could be one in the same. An > Election-Announce mailing list would also be a quick way to weed out > bouncing emails. > > I think such a mailing list would have to be used strictly to announce > elections or voting, candidate URLs, etc., sans politics of any kind. > > It would address the problem that not all SCs even notify their cc's of the > elections. > > (just read some more replies and see that something similar was suggested by > a "manual" post. Excellent idea.) > > Carol > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 12:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17129 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04604 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 360633C26D; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7551B3C230 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1344.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.144]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09292 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000927105826.00cc87a0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:01:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] state lists In-Reply-To: References: <006601c02898$1fdfe200$0201500a@connie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 11:57 AM 09/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Connie Bates wrote: > > > I really like both the idea of a mailing list and a web site maintained by > > the SEC - it could solve a lot of problems! I'm also partial to the > idea of > > making voting mandatory - Yes, No, or Abstain, as though we were > actually in > > a meeting. > >I could never support making voting mandatory. Nor could I, but couldn't the SEC use some sort of mail program that would let folks notify us, without having to even write a post, that they had received the notice about voting? Somehow it needs to be verifiable that every eligible voter at least knows about the election. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 15:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA12546 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12060 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 177673C2D7; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18763C296 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-080.efn.org (pm3-080.efn.org [206.163.180.80]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8RJbnK21701 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D24DCC.62B8@efn.org> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:43:08 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey Comments References: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> <023201c02873$403f1540$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > I've just read all 3 pages of comments that have been posted. Did anyone > besides me notice the same thing being said over and over? Yes, a lot of the comments were similar from different people. I did notice that I was reading the exact same reply from the exact same person in a couple different places. Apparently some of the messages got posted twice (I noticed this when I saw the word acquainted misspelled the exact same way in two posts, then realized it was the same post, pasted twice. There were a couple others that were duplicates also). This gives the impression that even more people were saying the same thing. Although I was interested in all responses, I was most interested in what the folks that did not vote had to say. As someone on our list had predicted, some of the non-voters were just interested in taking care of their little corner of the world, and did not want to get involved with politics or national stuff. As has already been mentioned, some didn't care for the fighting, etc. Also, as already mentioned by someone on an earlier post today, there were contradictory statements...not enough information, too much information . My own personal experience was that the amount of information was just right. I was given the urls to the campaign pages, and I received messages from the national candidates and the regional candidates. I pulled myself off of the national lists years ago when the flaming first started, so I was only influenced by what the candidates had to say. Back to my point - the dissemination of information was probably about right (from the national folks, that is. I can't address what various SC's did not do). John _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 16:39:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22860 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26068 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 24CD23C37A; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C233C2B6 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.c5.9947920 (4327) for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:39:40 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Frequent Reminders Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/27/00 12:09:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Teresa writes: << What I was referring to was an e-mail that says something like "Hi the EC is verifying e-mail addresses there is no need to respond to this" The e-mail doesn't have to give any information particularly, just use it to verify addresses. >> I agree this is a good idea. And it doesn't matter if they do trash it, the bounces or lack of bounce itself will verify the address as current and valid. If it bounces the bounce could be forwarded to the SC or even the SC list and corrected by the correct person in charge. Oh and thanks Teresa, for recently mentioning me in one of your articles! I knew I had hit the bigtime when I saw my name up in lights...er pixels. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 16:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23705 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27535 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BDC1F3C39F; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90FA3C395 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.20.bf37620 (4327) for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <20.bf37620.2703b5fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:43:39 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Frequent Reminder Update Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I meant "Linda said" not Teresa! That's what I get for letting e-mails pile up, I lost track. But regardless, a frequent reminder either monthly or quarterly could be accomplished with one push of a button, and I think it's a great idea to keep e-mail addresses up to date. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 16:51:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24486 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29046 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 067783C370; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629943C345 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.bc.adca222 (4327) for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:51:26 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Mandatory Voting Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I'm not a big fan of mandatory voting myself. However, if a majority of replies ask for it (not saying they will) how can we ignore it? Isn't doing so saying we don't care what the replies say, we're still going to make up our own minds? If so why are we asking opinions? I'm reading this from the repiles as part of the problem. The CC's feel they have little or no say in the direction of the project. The feel upper management on both the state and national level are making up their own minds without asking the CC's what they want. I for one will support whatever the majority asks me to support, as long as it's within the law. I'm to vote the conscience of those I represent not my own. There is absolutely no offense intended with this, for what it's worth, for my own opinion I'm not a fan of mandatory voting unless it's set up in the rules of membership. I urge everyone not to close their minds to any possiblity until all the comments are received. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 18:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05416 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15427 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C79D03C287; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E853C35E for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.32]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927221628.SGTG425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:16:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927181717.03c66560@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] response 3 is up Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: longer than the other two... I'm trying to catch the duplicates (some people appear to be clicking the submit button twice) In case you get inquires, what I am doing is selecting all the current messages (in batches) and saving as a text file in Eudora... this saves only the body of the messages so right there most comments are separated from their email/authors, only those who signed their posts still have identifying info which I strip as I code (very basic coding ) gonna go grab some dinner and be back in a bit to comment on some of your posts and check for more survey replies Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 19:45:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14310 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29286 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 57CF73C1D0; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986923C1C4 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.43]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000927234440.VBAC425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:44:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927194118.00becc60@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:50:18 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey Comments In-Reply-To: <39D24DCC.62B8@efn.org> References: <3e.1531b36.2700f1aa@aol.com> <023201c02873$403f1540$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 12:43 PM 9/27/00 -0700, John McCoy wrote: >Yes, a lot of the comments were similar from different people. I did >notice that I was reading the exact same reply from the exact same >person in a couple different places. Apparently some of the messages >got posted twice (I noticed this when I saw the word acquainted >misspelled the exact same way in two posts, then realized it was the >same post, pasted twice. There were a couple others that were duplicates >also). This gives the impression that even more people were saying the >same thing. Yup... some duplicates slipped through.. sorry. I was concentrating on the technical side of moving all those replies to a page and not on the content... I have now started scanning the list of emails before pasting and checking duplicate emails to see if the content is the same or an added thought or comment. >Although I was interested in all responses, I was most interested in >what the folks that did not vote had to say. As someone on our list had >predicted, some of the non-voters were just interested in taking care of >their little corner of the world, and did not want to get involved with >politics or national stuff. I am thrilled with the number of non-voters who are replying!!!! Also, a small comment on the remarks about SC's not forwarding information... first, I had a complaint after the recent election from one of my cc's for not telling them about the election, now at least two of you here are on the NYGenWeb list and know that I did more than just forward the voting announcements... anyway, after several emails back and forth it turns out she had not read her NYGen-L mail list. We also have SC's who do not read their SC list mail everyday... ... what this leads up to as I read the survey responses and the comments here on the list is that i think a regional set up for the standing committee as has been mentioned previously could help improve the communications, direct mailing SC's about the election process, answering questions and explaining things, building a relationship with the various states, SC's and CC's Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 19:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15063 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00490 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C79973C1D7; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8913C1C4 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1410.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.210.210]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04894 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:51:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:47:51 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927181717.03c66560@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:22 PM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: >longer than the other two... > >I'm trying to catch the duplicates (some people appear to be clicking the >submit button twice) > >In case you get inquires, what I am doing is selecting all the current >messages (in batches) and saving as a text file in Eudora... this saves >only the body of the messages so right there most comments are separated >from their email/authors, only those who signed their posts still have >identifying info which I strip as I code (very basic coding ) > >gonna go grab some dinner and be back in a bit to comment on some of your >posts and check for more survey replies > >Holly You are doing a lot of work with this, Holly - it seems to be showing clearly where folks see problems, though. One thing that kinda passed me by until page 2, but was on page 1 also and I overlooked it - and is on page 3 - is that apparently the function of the national organization is not known. Not just not understood - not known. Perhaps we would be well advised to somehow figure out what the national organization actually does that directly affects CCs (other than bicker about politics on the national lists, which is all folks seem to know about) - what does national USGenWeb have to offer the CC that the state does not offer? Why should it make a difference to the CC who is elected to national offices? Actually, why should they vote? If we can not come up with valid, clearly understandable answers to these questions - and, as has been suggested, put them on the national website for all to see - then I think we are spinning our wheels. So far as the problem with some of the SCs - does anyone know what is behind that? Why would a SC not want the CCs in his state to vote? Why would a SC post false or threatening info? If CCs could see the AB as their defenders in such situations, that might help - at least there would be someone to whom to turn. Since that is not workable at this point, would it be possible to have a grievance committee in each region made up of a CC from each state, as a subgroup of the SEC, so that the CCs would have a familiar face to ask for help with problems from SCs, or would that not be within the scope of the EC? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 20:20:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17463 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04586 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AB4563C1F2; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA923C1C4 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.4.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.4]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA14423 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c028d8$8efa7700$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <026c01c02885$cfb23ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> <4.3.1.2.20000927104002.00ccd9b0@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:08:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree, Carol. I think the only way a person would not be allowed to vote should be at the direction of the AB. If the SC feels that someone should not be allowed to vote they should take it to the AB for a final decision. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol C-H To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page > At 11:40 AM 09/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Someone has to to decide who is eligible. Should that be the SC > >or the EC? I guess my point is that even if we have 100% turnout to > >register on the webpage, we still have to go somewhere to verify the > >person is eligible to vote. That person is most likely to be the > >SC/SPC. > Some of the comments on the survey, and some comments I have recently > received privately, indicate that there is a really serious problem with > some SCs not letting their CCs know that there is an election, or even > pressuring them re: voting. While I realize that there is probably nothing > we on this committee can do to throw such garbage out of the Project > (though why they are allowed to continue in their position is beyond me), > it does seem that we need to find a way to work around them, effectively > eliminating that step, so that they can not - either by example, or by > overt actions - cause further destruction. > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor > Hugo~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 20:28:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18170 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05662 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D26EF3C1C4; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F2F3C12B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.221.211]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000928002801.LUZW3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:28:01 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000927181244.00ac04b0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:22:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Mandatory Voting In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: When you think about it, mandatory voting isn't even very practical. Compliance will never reach 100%, and if someone doesn't vote, what do we do... kick them out of the project? I think we have enough rules for our hard-working volunteers. No need to add more. The best thing to do is try to address concerns, and make voting easy, private, and worthwhile. Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 21:46:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25612 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17878 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 191523C206; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.38]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF943C1F8 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:46:44 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.210 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:46:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.210] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:46:44 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 01:46:44.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4AF8E40:01C028ED] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Linda; What about the members who belonged to the Census project led by Ron Easton? They were all disqualified from voting, were they not? This because of the ruling set down by our NC. I feel this was wrong because they too had a say in how the project was going. Whether they agreed or not with the board, did not have anything to do with how they felt in voting. Am I wrong in feeling this way? Or am I misreading again? Esse >From: "Linda Haas Davenport" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:08:56 -0500 > >I agree, Carol. I think the only way a person would not be allowed to vote >should be at the direction of the AB. If the SC feels that someone should >not be allowed to vote they should take it to the AB for a final decision. > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Carol C-H >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:48 AM >Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page > > > > At 11:40 AM 09/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Someone has to to decide who is eligible. Should that be the SC > > >or the EC? I guess my point is that even if we have 100% turnout to > > >register on the webpage, we still have to go somewhere to verify the > > >person is eligible to vote. That person is most likely to be the > > >SC/SPC. > > Some of the comments on the survey, and some comments I have recently > > received privately, indicate that there is a really serious problem with > > some SCs not letting their CCs know that there is an election, or even > > pressuring them re: voting. While I realize that there is probably >nothing > > we on this committee can do to throw such garbage out of the Project > > (though why they are allowed to continue in their position is beyond >me), > > it does seem that we need to find a way to work around them, effectively > > eliminating that step, so that they can not - either by example, or by > > overt actions - cause further destruction. > > > > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. >~Victor > > Hugo~ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 23:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05417 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02796 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 276333C16A; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB3D3C15C for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p161.amax14.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.87.161]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02386 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:31:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39D2B84C.BF8F025@flash.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:17:33 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Why not also manage an "official" page for all candidates to post their information, views, etc. The SEC could then be the oversite mechanism to keep remarks and promises positive, and maybe keep the mud fights and back stabbing waaaaay in the background and out of the process all together. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Sep 27 23:48:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06835 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04969 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A6AC53C16C; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11953C15B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.37.ac2e124 (3998) for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <37.ac2e124.2704198a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:26 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/27/2000 6:47:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: << Linda; What about the members who belonged to the Census project led by Ron Easton? They were all disqualified from voting, were they not? This because of the ruling set down by our NC. I feel this was wrong because they too had a say in how the project was going. Whether they agreed or not with the board, did not have anything to do with how they felt in voting. Am I wrong in feeling this way? Or am I misreading again? Esse >> If they were not a CC in the project they don't get to vote for NC anyway (Per the bylaws). I think it was the "fear" that members of Ron's group were taking on counties just to influance the vote was one of the reasons for the May cutoff date. I had nothing to do with the EC or Nominations Committee this year, so I am just speculating here. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 00:28:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10851 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09697 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5D53A3C228; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5454C3C15C for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phays (user-33qtkm9.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.210.201]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08841 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:29:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I am a very recent SC (almost immediately after the elections, I took office), so I had nothing to do with this years elections in my state, but in the 4 states I have counties in, I have never seen any problems like this first hand, but I have heard (hearsay) of some states that have some tremendous problems at the SC level, between SC's telling people flat out who to vote for to SC's placing gag orders on e-mail traffic between CC's. Unfortunately, the SEC will not be able to reach everybody if the SC doesn't want them to without flat out going around them. That may make it necessary to make special exceptions for states with uncooperative or unresponsive SC's, and go out and make the vote a possibility the hard way, one CC at a time, or a mass mailing. As long as I am SC, INGenWeb will not be one of those states :) Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up > At 06:22 PM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >longer than the other two... > > > >I'm trying to catch the duplicates (some people appear to be clicking the > >submit button twice) > > > >In case you get inquires, what I am doing is selecting all the current > >messages (in batches) and saving as a text file in Eudora... this saves > >only the body of the messages so right there most comments are separated > >from their email/authors, only those who signed their posts still have > >identifying info which I strip as I code (very basic coding ) > > > >gonna go grab some dinner and be back in a bit to comment on some of your > >posts and check for more survey replies > > > >Holly > You are doing a lot of work with this, Holly - it seems to be showing > clearly where folks see problems, though. > > One thing that kinda passed me by until page 2, but was on page 1 also and > I overlooked it - and is on page 3 - is that apparently the function of the > national organization is not known. Not just not understood - not known. > Perhaps we would be well advised to somehow figure out what the national > organization actually does that directly affects CCs (other than bicker > about politics on the national lists, which is all folks seem to know > about) - what does national USGenWeb have to offer the CC that the state > does not offer? Why should it make a difference to the CC who is elected > to national offices? Actually, why should they vote? If we can not > come up with valid, clearly understandable answers to these questions - > and, as has been suggested, put them on the national website for all to see > - then I think we are spinning our wheels. > > So far as the problem with some of the SCs - does anyone know what is > behind that? Why would a SC not want the CCs in his state to vote? Why > would a SC post false or threatening info? If CCs could see the AB as > their defenders in such situations, that might help - at least there would > be someone to whom to turn. Since that is not workable at this point, > would it be possible to have a grievance committee in each region made up > of a CC from each state, as a subgroup of the SEC, so that the CCs would > have a familiar face to ask for help with problems from SCs, or would that > not be within the scope of the EC? > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor > Hugo~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 00:47:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12174 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11684 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EC54A3C137; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336AB3C12B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p189.amax14.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.87.189]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07427 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:47:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39D2CA07.61689B96@flash.net> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:33:11 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page References: <026c01c02885$cfb23ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> <4.3.1.2.20000927104002.00ccd9b0@mail.netdoor.com> <002301c028d8$8efa7700$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I will pitch my two cents worth in again here. I still believe that if a person is eligible to vote by virtue of their position within the organization, then they have a right to vote, and I have a hard time understanding how anyone, even the AB, could deny that right. I agree with comeone's comments that we need to make the process as simple, secure and honest as we can. It just strikes me that even talking about being able to deny someone the right to vote is not a positive step toward doing away with the perceptions of election rigging, etc. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 01:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA13848 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13775 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 103E93C139; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AB33C128 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phays (user-33qtkm9.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.210.201]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA03018 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c201c0290a$74f68a60$c9d2aec7@phays> From: "Patrick Hays" To: References: <37.ac2e124.2704198a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:10:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In reply to Mary Ann's message: Section 6. All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up Volunteers and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote. The less we (the project- in general) mess with or interpret that statement, the better off we are. The EC this year messed with it and look at the grief it brought all of us who were on National lists. Here is a question that your statement brings up, which maybe should have come up earlier. Where do file managers (archives, census, what-have-you) fit in to the equation? Are the members (I am speaking of File managers- national staff, state and county coordinators, not transcribers) of those special projects "USGenWeb Project Members"? If so, we should be taking them into account when we are doing our deliberations, and that should be recognized and stated explicitly in our report. I was under the impression that they were members (but not CC's) and therefore were eligible to vote for the NC, who is supposed to represent ALL project members. If I am wrong, please correct me. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page > In a message dated 9/27/2000 6:47:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: > > << Linda; > What about the members who belonged to the Census project led by Ron Easton? > They were all disqualified from voting, were they not? This > because of the ruling set down by our NC. I feel this was wrong because > they too had a say in how the project was going. Whether they agreed or not > with the board, did not have anything to do with how they felt in voting. > Am I wrong in feeling this way? > Or am I misreading again? > Esse >> > > > If they were not a CC in the project they don't get to vote for NC anyway > (Per the bylaws). > > I think it was the "fear" that members of Ron's group were taking on counties > just to influance the vote was one of the reasons for the May cutoff date. I > had nothing to do with the EC or Nominations Committee this year, so I am > just speculating here. > > > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 01:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15528 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16380 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9FA643C12C; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.42]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C49F3C123 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.190] by mhub2.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:38:55 -0500 Message-Id: <007b01c0290d$8f136320$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <37.ac2e124.2704198a@aol.com> <00c201c0290a$74f68a60$c9d2aec7@phays> Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: The last couple years (this year for sure), I think the elections worked this way. That is everyone (no matter what the role) votes for the NC position. Only CCs vote for CC reps and only SCs vote for SC rep. Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Hays To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page > In reply to Mary Ann's message: > > Section 6. All members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up > Volunteers and Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote. > > The less we (the project- in general) mess with or interpret > that statement, the better off we are. The EC this year messed > with it and look at the grief it brought all of us who were on > National lists. > Here is a question that your statement brings up, which maybe > should have come up earlier. Where do file managers (archives, > census, what-have-you) fit in to the equation? Are the members (I > am speaking of File managers- national staff, state and county > coordinators, not transcribers) of those special projects > "USGenWeb Project Members"? If so, we should be taking them into > account when we are doing our deliberations, and that should be > recognized and stated explicitly in our report. I was under the > impression that they were members (but not CC's) and therefore > were eligible to vote for the NC, who is supposed to represent ALL > project members. If I am wrong, please correct me. > > Patrick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page > > > > In a message dated 9/27/2000 6:47:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: > > > > << Linda; > > What about the members who belonged to the Census project led > by Ron Easton? > > They were all disqualified from voting, were they not? This > > because of the ruling set down by our NC. I feel this was > wrong because > > they too had a say in how the project was going. Whether they > agreed or not > > with the board, did not have anything to do with how they felt > in voting. > > Am I wrong in feeling this way? > > Or am I misreading again? > > Esse >> > > > > > > If they were not a CC in the project they don't get to vote for > NC anyway > > (Per the bylaws). > > > > I think it was the "fear" that members of Ron's group were > taking on counties > > just to influance the vote was one of the reasons for the May > cutoff date. I > > had nothing to do with the EC or Nominations Committee this > year, so I am > > just speculating here. > > > > > > > > > > Mary Ann > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 01:41:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15685 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16513 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 35F1E3C127; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.42]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430023C123 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.190] by mhub2.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:41:22 -0500 Message-Id: <007f01c0290d$e617b180$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <37.ac2e124.2704198a@aol.com> <00c201c0290a$74f68a60$c9d2aec7@phays> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:35:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Another issue Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A I don't think I've seen this addressed, but this year and last year, the census, archives, and tombstone projects conducted their own elections. I think this should be re-considered. Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:33:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07704 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15290 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2D9FB3C16A; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A1F3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928103303.JTEP425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:33:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928063229.00cc59e0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:38:43 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] deadlines Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A The motion for this committee was declared passed on 9/12 exceedingly early in the morning. The Board members on this committee were subscribed to this list that day. The SC and CC members were subscribed to this list on 9/15 Either the 12th or the 15th could be considered our *creation date* making either October 24th or 27th our final deadline. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:43:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08290 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16283 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 72A253C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BB23C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928104321.JYAU425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:43:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928064657.00b46e80@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:49:00 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue In-Reply-To: <007f01c0290d$e617b180$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> References: <37.ac2e124.2704198a@aol.com> <00c201c0290a$74f68a60$c9d2aec7@phays> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 12:35 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Jerimiah Moerke wrote: >I don't think I've seen this addressed, but this year and last year, the >census, archives, and tombstone projects conducted their own elections. I >think this should be re-considered. I believe that members of these projects who do not already have a vote as a CC (and I think most of them do have that) get a vote for the NC They hold their own election for their representatives to the Board, although perhaps they should be required to do so in July or at least so that their representative is decided by Sept 1 when the Board takes office. Holly >Jerimiah > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:45:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08484 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16436 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A90A83C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F833C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA27486 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007c01c0292f$ddd501e0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:21:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Eligible Voters Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A What I am saying is that I don't want to see a SEC have anything to do with the decision of who can or cannot vote. If someone has been found to be "not in good standing" then it needs to come from somewhere else so that the SEC can always be viewed as non-partisan - outside the politics and upheaval. That's one of the reasons why I keep saying I don't want to see the SC's be the ones to submit a list of eligible voters. In one of my e-mails I talked about how in the last election I found that many of the people who maintain township or city web pages were not included in the eligible voters sent to the EC. Yet many of these people had more information and had done more work on their sites than the CC had for the county. I felt/feel that to be completely unfair. Patrick pointed out that the bylaws only exclude look-up volunteers and transcribers. The people who maintain the archives for a state or county or township don't fall within the "transcribers or look-up volunteers" so I've always assumed they are eligible to vote in any national election. Having been the state archivist for Okla I can tell you I'd have been really unhappy if I were excluded from voting in a national election. From first hand knowledge I know that that job is as much work as any SC does. The same goes for the people who work so hard on the county archive pages it's just as much work as any CC does. Esse asked about Ron's CP project. The bylaws exclude transcribers so unless one of Ron's transcribers is also a CC or state/county archivist then they would not be eligible to vote under the bylaw's stated exclusion of "transcribers". As for Ron himself - his status as a eligible voter would have to come from the AB. The way I look at it is - if Ron maintains a state or county site and it has not been taken away from him by the AB then as a state or county coordinator he is eligible to vote. That's just my opinion but I do think it's the view that a SEC should take. If someone maintains a web site for the project, be it a state, county, township, migration, civil war or whatever site then they should be eligible to vote. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:45:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08488 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16439 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F14273C176; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D52F3C16A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16639 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007d01c0292f$df357c40$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:25:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Survey note on state lists Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Speaking of SC's. Has the survey request been sent to all SCs asking them to post it on their state's list? I know those on this committee have said they would send it to the lists they are on but I don't think that covers all states. If it hasn't I'll volunteer to send an e-mail to all the SC's asking them to post it to their lists. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:45:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08493 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16445 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 159DB3C13D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8423C14F for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA25758 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007e01c0292f$e07c0600$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:32:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A As a past archivist I can tell you that elections are held (for multiple reasons) and everyone involved, including transcribers, have a vote. When I was the state archivist for Okla the elections never had anything to do with any national issues. I think the SEC should be for voting at the national level - NC, Regional reps, bylaw changes, incorporate or not - those kind of things. What the special projects (or for that matter those states that are incorporated like TN) do within their own local level should not be of concern to the SEC. Just my own opinion. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Jerimiah Moerke wrote: > > > I don't think I've seen this addressed, but this year and last year, the > > census, archives, and tombstone projects conducted their own elections. I > > think this should be re-considered. > > I agree. > > Does anyone know _why_ the special projects are allowed to hold private > elections? > > -Teresa > > > > > Jerimiah > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:45:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08497 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16449 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8FD883C13D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A253C176 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA20177 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007f01c0292f$e20edb00$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" References: <39D2B84C.BF8F025@flash.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:36:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree - excellent idea. In the past elections if a CC (etc) is not subscribed to one of the national lists then the candidates web page URL might not have ever been seen. If a SC did not post the URLs to their state lists then the CCs would not have known where to go to find out about the candidates. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Chada To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > Why not also manage an "official" page for all candidates to > post their information, views, etc. The SEC could then be > the overset mechanism to keep remarks and promises > positive, and maybe keep the mud fights and back stabbing > waaaaay in the background and out of the process all > together. > > -- > Bob Chada > bchada@flash.net > Logan County, Oklahoma > > > See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ > See our Logan County page: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:02:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09348 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18039 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CD6CD3C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA463C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928110242.KGUD425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:02:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928070634.03f2da60@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:08:21 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey note on state lists In-Reply-To: <007d01c0292f$df357c40$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 04:25 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Speaking of SC's. Has the survey request been sent to all SCs asking them to >post it on their state's list? It was posted with a request to forward to the state lists on the SC list If you would like to send it to all the SC's directly with a note along the lines of 'if you haven't forwarded it yet from the SC list, would they please post" go for it Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:05:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09569 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18238 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4A1153C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC46B3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928110508.KICF425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:05:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928071028.00bf6440@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:10:48 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, "Election Committee" From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties In-Reply-To: <007f01c0292f$e20edb00$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <39D2B84C.BF8F025@flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 04:36 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >In the past elections if a CC (etc) is not subscribed to one of the national >lists then the candidates web page URL might not have ever been seen. If a >SC did not post the URLs to their state lists then the CCs would not have >known where to go to find out about the candidates. The candidate urls ARE posted on the national election page >Linda H D > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Chada >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:17 PM >Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > > > > Why not also manage an "official" page for all candidates to > > post their information, views, etc. The SEC could then be > > the overset mechanism to keep remarks and promises > > positive, and maybe keep the mud fights and back stabbing > > waaaaay in the background and out of the process all > > together. > > > > -- > > Bob Chada > > bchada@flash.net > > Logan County, Oklahoma > > > > > > See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ > > See our Logan County page: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:16:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10153 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19282 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E0D273C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B693C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29582 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009701c02934$1fa7c220$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: My comments inserted below Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > > Mornin' all, > > Since we all seem to be in agreement that there should be a standing EC, > here's my take on the duties suggested so far for that group: > > 1) maintaining an up to date voter list-- I think this should be the > responsibility of the EC. How the EC chooses to do this can be left up to > it, IMO. ......... I agree with the maintaining the voter list, adding that the SEC's voter's list should include ALL eligible voters per the bylaws. I disagree with leaving it up to the EC how they choose to get the info. I think the final suggestions we make should include instructions on how the names are gathered. By this time everyone knows how I feel about voter lists submitted by the SC. If a means of gathering names is not included in our suggestions then the SEC could simply ask the SC for a list and we'd be right where we are now. > > 2) maintaining a web page--I think at a bare minimum the web page should > contain a) contact info for current committee members; b) info on current > or upcoming elections; c) a way to subscribe to an announce-only mail > list; d) a place for voters to register or to _verify_ that they are > registered; e) a place that SCs can check that their voters are > registered. ............. Adding Bob's suggestion for the canidate pages > > 3) maintaining an "elections" mailing list--several people who responded > to the survey suggested that better communication might solve some of the > problems with the elections. An announce-only mailing list might be the > best way to do this. We can suggest that membership on the mail list be > mandatory, but I don't know how well this will go over with the > volunteers. Perhaps if the list is used sparingly to distribute only > election materials people will stay subbed and won't redirect the mail to > their trash bin. ............ I don't think a volunteer should be able to unsubscribe from the list. In our non-cyber life we all get newsletters from the various organizations we belong to. We have the option of reading or not reading them. It should be the same here. The read-only list messages should be sent to all members. If they wish to send them to the trash that's their option. I think a blanket e-mail from the SEC to every single member telling them they are being subscribed and what the list is for would forewarn them of forthcoming e-mails. That same message could be sent to every new volunteer when their name is added to the membership / voting lists. I, personally, have never been a volunteer where I could say to the organization - Oh BTW I don't want you to mail me anything. > > 4) evaluating and selecting a secure, neutral, professional voting > mechanism. IMO the multitude of problems with this year's system > [duplicate or triplicate IDs, missing IDs, open access to votes initially, > lack of a verification email, etc] soured a large number of people on the > whole process. They lost confidence in the system early on and never > regained it. ................ I agree. There was a note on one of the survey responses where a project had developed just such a program and it was offered to us. Should this committee try to find such a program or should that be left to the SEC when they are appointed? > > 5) producing quarterly reports of EC business to be disseminated to the > project lists; producing special election reports at the close of each > election .............. I agree > > 6) running election, including establishing a mechanism to receive > nominations and verify status of nominees; announce candidacies for open > positions; sending ballots; collecting, counting and storing votes; > certifying elections; etc. ................I agree > > Anything else? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:21:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10441 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19725 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1B8F93C17B; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f274.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.149]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F863C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:20:56 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.117 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:20:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.117] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:20:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 11:20:56.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BC02DE0:01C0293E] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Mary; I thought they were cc's? How else could they have voted? (Please don't think I am showing any disrespect here, because I am not. I had thought that they were all CC's. Esse >From: MHet703234@aol.com >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:48:26 EDT > >In a message dated 9/27/2000 6:47:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Linda; > What about the members who belonged to the Census project led by Ron >Easton? > They were all disqualified from voting, were they not? This > because of the ruling set down by our NC. I feel this was wrong because > they too had a say in how the project was going. Whether they agreed or >not > with the board, did not have anything to do with how they felt in voting. > Am I wrong in feeling this way? > Or am I misreading again? > Esse >> > > >If they were not a CC in the project they don't get to vote for NC anyway >(Per the bylaws). > >I think it was the "fear" that members of Ron's group were taking on >counties >just to influance the vote was one of the reasons for the May cutoff date. >I >had nothing to do with the EC or Nominations Committee this year, so I am >just speculating here. > > > > >Mary Ann > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:23:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10578 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20148 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F2F953C17B; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f308.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.183]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2433F3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:23:42 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.117 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:23:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.117] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:23:42 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 11:23:42.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E9A4540:01C0293E] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Patrick; That is why a registration page may be the way to go. Esse >From: "Patrick Hays" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up >Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:29:10 -0700 > > I am a very recent SC (almost immediately after the elections, >I took office), so I had nothing to do with this years elections >in my state, but in the 4 states I have counties in, I have never >seen any problems like this first hand, but I have heard (hearsay) >of some states that have some tremendous problems at the SC level, >between SC's telling people flat out who to vote for to SC's >placing gag orders on e-mail traffic between CC's. > Unfortunately, the SEC will not be able to reach everybody if >the SC doesn't want them to without flat out going around them. >That may make it necessary to make special exceptions for states >with uncooperative or unresponsive SC's, and go out and make the >vote a possibility the hard way, one CC at a time, or a mass >mailing. > As long as I am SC, INGenWeb will not be one of those states >:) > >Patrick > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol C-H" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: [ESC] response 3 is up > > > > At 06:22 PM 09/27/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > >longer than the other two... > > > > > >I'm trying to catch the duplicates (some people appear to be >clicking the > > >submit button twice) > > > > > >In case you get inquires, what I am doing is selecting all the >current > > >messages (in batches) and saving as a text file in Eudora... >this saves > > >only the body of the messages so right there most comments are >separated > > >from their email/authors, only those who signed their posts >still have > > >identifying info which I strip as I code (very basic coding >) > > > > > >gonna go grab some dinner and be back in a bit to comment on >some of your > > >posts and check for more survey replies > > > > > >Holly > > You are doing a lot of work with this, Holly - it seems to be >showing > > clearly where folks see problems, though. > > > > One thing that kinda passed me by until page 2, but was on page >1 also and > > I overlooked it - and is on page 3 - is that apparently the >function of the > > national organization is not known. Not just not understood - >not known. > > Perhaps we would be well advised to somehow figure out what the >national > > organization actually does that directly affects CCs (other than >bicker > > about politics on the national lists, which is all folks seem to >know > > about) - what does national USGenWeb have to offer the CC that >the state > > does not offer? Why should it make a difference to the CC who >is elected > > to national offices? Actually, why should they vote? If we >can not > > come up with valid, clearly understandable answers to these >questions - > > and, as has been suggested, put them on the national website for >all to see > > - then I think we are spinning our wheels. > > > > So far as the problem with some of the SCs - does anyone know >what is > > behind that? Why would a SC not want the CCs in his state to >vote? Why > > would a SC post false or threatening info? If CCs could see >the AB as > > their defenders in such situations, that might help - at least >there would > > be someone to whom to turn. Since that is not workable at this >point, > > would it be possible to have a grievance committee in each >region made up > > of a CC from each state, as a subgroup of the SEC, so that the >CCs would > > have a familiar face to ask for help with problems from SCs, or >would that > > not be within the scope of the EC? > > > > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are >loved. ~Victor > > Hugo~ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:29:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10852 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20684 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9BF373C17B; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f29.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.29]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBDB3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:29:10 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.117 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:29:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.117] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:29:09 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 11:29:10.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[51F93960:01C0293F] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Jerimiah; I didn't think that was to be allowed. I thought it was to be one National election? Why wasn't it mentioned? This is the first time I have heard about it. Esse >From: "Jerimiah Moerke" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: [ESC] Another issue >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:35:18 -0500 > >I don't think I've seen this addressed, but this year and last year, the >census, archives, and tombstone projects conducted their own elections. I >think this should be re-considered. > >Jerimiah > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:35:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11201 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21280 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2E4AB3C13D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C09B3C12B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA06436 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b201c02936$cd3131e0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <39D2B84C.BF8F025@flash.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000928071028.00bf6440@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:12:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I know Holly and I wish that everyone would go and visit the national page but so many people have to have their memories jogged. But, you're correct the fact that a volunteer did not see the URLs posted is no excuse. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; Election Committee Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > At 04:36 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >In the past elections if a CC (etc) is not subscribed to one of the national > >lists then the candidates web page URL might not have ever been seen. If a > >SC did not post the URLs to their state lists then the CCs would not have > >known where to go to find out about the candidates. > > The candidate urls ARE posted on the national election page > > > >Linda H D > > > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com > >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Bob Chada > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > > > > > > > Why not also manage an "official" page for all candidates to > > > post their information, views, etc. The SEC could then be > > > the overset mechanism to keep remarks and promises > > > positive, and maybe keep the mud fights and back stabbing > > > waaaaay in the background and out of the process all > > > together. > > > > > > -- > > > Bob Chada > > > bchada@flash.net > > > Logan County, Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ > > > See our Logan County page: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:35:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11209 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21292 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5F7E23C1AE; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95893C1AB for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29857 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b301c02936$ce994d60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com><00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> <4.3.2.7.2.20000928070634.03f2da60@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey note on state lists Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly since we don't see any state identification do you have a feel for the states that have had responses? I have no problem with sending an e-mail to all SCs it won't take long but if you seem to be getting a pretty wide range of responses from different states then perhaps there is no need to send messages? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey note on state lists > At 04:25 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >Speaking of SC's. Has the survey request been sent to all SCs asking them to > >post it on their state's list? > > It was posted with a request to forward to the state lists on the SC list > > If you would like to send it to all the SC's directly with a note along the > lines of 'if you haven't forwarded it yet from the SC list, would they > please post" go for it > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:53:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12446 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23355 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3F83E3C1AB; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 446BD3C1A9 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.197.50]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000928115300.SHFB3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:53:00 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000928063844.00aeeac8@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:52:50 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Survey note on state lists In-Reply-To: <007d01c0292f$df357c40$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly, from the responses, does it look like word of the survey has been passed on to all CCs, in every state? Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:55:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12550 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23581 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 25A4D3C13C; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D6F3C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA23575 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue In-Reply-To: <007e01c0292f$e07c0600$0200a8c0@Linda> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: [snip] > I think the SEC should be for voting at the national level - NC, Regional > reps, bylaw changes, incorporate or not - those kind of things. What the > special projects (or for that matter those states that are incorporated like > TN) do within their own local level should not be of concern to the SEC. > Just my own opinion. The national level Special Project reps _are_ national level positions. Why should the Special Projects be treated any differently as regards elections than the rest of the project? -Teresa > > Linda _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:26:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07377 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14725 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 20C343C141; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816BA3C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928102644.JQFR425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:26:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928062200.03f1f100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:32:24 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] page 4 is up Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A page 3 was a bit long... sorry page 4 is begun... replies have slowed down a little but are still coming in A good part of what is being said is not actually anything the EC should be addressing but I think part of our report should outline the concerns raised. Some of these include basic issues like communications which the EC should address in reference to the elections but which also appears to be a project wide problem. To this end, I would like 2-3 of you to volunteer to do a real analysis of the responses, listing and counting the various types of replies, et cetera. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 06:40:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA08190 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15977 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 54F323C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD66A3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928104049.JWXN425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928063854.00b40160@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:46:29 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm In-Reply-To: <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> References: <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: SC problems Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 09:29 PM 9/27/00 -0700, Patrick Hays wrote: > I am a very recent SC (almost immediately after the elections, >I took office), so I had nothing to do with this years elections >in my state, but in the 4 states I have counties in, I have never >seen any problems like this first hand, but I have heard (hearsay) >of some states that have some tremendous problems at the SC level, >between SC's telling people flat out who to vote for to SC's >placing gag orders on e-mail traffic between CC's. Although there is probably some *substance* to these rumors, in all the various states I have been involved in, I have never seen it myself, nor seen any specifics of such an occurrence. But, the perception that this is so is part of the problem, whether or not it is so. >Unfortunately, the SEC will not be able to reach everybody if >the SC doesn't want them to without flat out going around them. >That may make it necessary to make special exceptions for states >with uncooperative or unresponsive SC's, and go out and make the >vote a possibility the hard way, one CC at a time, or a mass >mailing. Perhaps the EC's basic procedure should be working with the SC's but should be permitted to find a way around them when there is not cooperation. There could also be a requirement that SC's are to post Election Announcements and as well as being posted on the SC list, they should be mailed directly to the SC's. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09440 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18179 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3975C3C14F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6F3C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928110429.KHSR425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928070904.03f2d8f0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:10:09 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue In-Reply-To: <007e01c0292f$e07c0600$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 04:32 AM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >I think the SEC should be for voting at the national level - NC, Regional >reps, bylaw changes, incorporate or not - those kind of things. What the >special projects (or for that matter those states that are incorporated like >TN) do within their own local level should not be of concern to the SEC. >Just my own opinion. I agree... those are internal elections _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 07:53:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12440 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23351 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AE45A3C13D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119D63C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.197.50]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000928115259.SHEX3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:52:59 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000928060936.00ac04b0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:51:40 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928063854.00b40160@mail.bright.net> References: <00ae01c02904$a75753a0$c9d2aec7@phays> <4.3.1.2.20000927181845.00b31360@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 06:46 AM 9/28/2000 -0500, Holly wrote: >At 09:29 PM 9/27/00 -0700, Patrick Hays wrote: > >>Unfortunately, the SEC will not be able to reach everybody if >>the SC doesn't want them to without flat out going around them. >>That may make it necessary to make special exceptions for states >>with uncooperative or unresponsive SC's, and go out and make the >>vote a possibility the hard way, one CC at a time, or a mass >>mailing. > >Perhaps the EC's basic procedure should be working with the SC's but >should be permitted to find a way around them when there is not >cooperation. There could also be a requirement that SC's are to post >Election Announcements and as well as being posted on the SC list, they >should be mailed directly to the SC's. I recall that, when SC, I sometimes had to make decisions as to what to pass on to my CCs. I passed on probably 98% of what was put out, once in a blue moon making an arbitrary decision because some topics just weren't relevant to our state, or I felt the note was unfairly biased, etc. However, when it comes to elections, that's a different matter. The CCs have a right to know everything they care to know, where to obtain information, how/when to vote, etc. I agree with Holly - the first and most important step on the ladder is the SC. At the same time, we're always asking a lot of the SCs. Also, being summer, a SC may be out of town, and the ASC not sure what to do. If the SEC is maintaining a viable list of voters, it would be a relatively easy task for the SEC to send out a few basic and timely announcement notes to each voter. The first note could inform the voter of the upcoming election, time frame, seats open, how voting will be accomplished, how to place names in nomination, and how to get to the candidates pages, or any official election page. A second note could notify members that voting has begun, how/where to vote, a list of the candidates (and amendments if any), how to reach the official election pages, and how/where to obtain voting help should help be needed. A third reminder note could notify voters that only.....a week?......remains, and reiterate the above subjects. Comments? Practical? Impractical? Would there be a need for a fourth note notifying members of the results? Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 08:34:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15774 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29169 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8D58A3C1B4; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637393C16A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.4e.b9cd539 (16931) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.b9cd539.270494ca@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:18 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/28/2000 4:21:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: << Mary; I thought they were cc's? How else could they have voted? (Please don't think I am showing any disrespect here, because I am not. I had thought that they were all CC's. Esse >> Not taking it as dissrespect. No not all the census transcribers are CC's. You don't have to be a CC to volunteer to transcribe. Anyone can volunteer to transcribe census records. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 08:36:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15921 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29486 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 77F643C16A; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9463C13C for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23528 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015f01c0293f$5fd2c1a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:22:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Teresa: I was saying they should not be treated differently at the national level. Sorry I wasn't clear. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > [snip] > > > I think the SEC should be for voting at the national level - NC, Regional > > reps, bylaw changes, incorporate or not - those kind of things. What the > > special projects (or for that matter those states that are incorporated like > > TN) do within their own local level should not be of concern to the SEC. > > Just my own opinion. > > The national level Special Project reps _are_ national level positions. > Why should the Special Projects be treated any differently as regards > elections than the rest of the project? > > -Teresa > > > > > Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 08:38:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16094 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29687 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 11B703C13C; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381E23C1B4 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.197.50]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000928123802.SSAZ3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:38:02 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000928065514.00ae7060@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:36:57 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: EARLY MORNING In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:31 AM 9/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Good Morning Linda; >Enjoying the coffee and donuts? I just put some apple pie on the table too. >Esse (Waving from behind her PC at the kitchen table. Have to say, I actually enjoy sitting down at my computer every evening, and first thing in the AM, to see what new goodies show up on this list - and not just the tangible, edible goodies. I've always had good experiences on the USGW committees on which I've served, but this is without a doubt the BEST. Great ideas, good communication, well organized, etc. I'm actually going to miss it when it's over. Hats off to each member, and especially to Holly. Pass the donuts, Esse? Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 08:38:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16099 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29692 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7ACFF3C1BE; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8FF3C1BC for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.197.50]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000928123803.SSBC3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:38:03 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000928072428.00aeeac8@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:37:58 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000928060936.00ac04b0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 08:16 AM 9/28/2000 -0400, Merope wrote: >I imagine that folks who've taken the time to vote might want to know who >won. Nawww - let's keep it a secret. LOL! Point being, of course, that members do seem to find out who won. I haven't seen anything in the survey that indicates someone wasn't aware of the outcome - though I do recall seeing one note complaining about the length of time it took to get the results. The problem areas in which the EC can have a positive effect deal with pre and current election situations, e.g. not being informed of an election, not sure how to vote, members losing voter IDs, multiple IDs, no IDs, not knowing who to contact, uninformed of the issues, procedure, candidates, etc. Ellen _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:14:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19480 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05876 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C2A2B3C1AB; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECC63C125 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25837 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01de01c02944$a57cac20$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <015f01c0293f$5fd2c1a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:04:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] copy of message sent to all SCs Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I sent the following message to all SCs. **************** The following message was posted on the SC list with a request to forward it to your state's mail list. If you have done so please accept our sincere thanks, if you haven't yet forwarded it to your state list will you please be kind and do so? It is very important that the Election Study Committee get as much feed back as possible to be able to address the concerns of all volunteers and since all survey responses are confidential there is no way of knowing if we are missing responses from any given state. Thank you so much for your time and help. __________ The Election Study Committee is taking a survey! This survey is to gather input from all of you regarding participation in USGenWeb Project Elections. All responses will be kept confidential and will be used solely to assist the Committee in formulating recommendations for election procedures. Please take a moment to tell us your thoughts on this very important issue. http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/survey1.htm The Election Study Committee. _____ Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:15:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19631 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06079 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C5E9C3C1AB; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from rmx306-mta.mail.com (rmx306-mta.mail.com [165.251.48.168]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223D83C125 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web114-wra.mail.com (web114-wra.mail.com [165.251.33.143]) by rmx306-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11033 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <382425769.970146952887.JavaMail.root@web114-wra.mail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Nathan Zipfel To: esc@pairlist.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 164.65.108.185 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Crunching the information Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly, I'm working on a spreadsheet to "crunch" the data that has been received. I hope to prepare some charts and statistics that can be posted for our group to see and share. Nate _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:34:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21495 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09139 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 269493C1C8; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465503C1BE for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10364 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f901c02947$68bb5c20$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:26:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Teresa wrote: > If we decide that ALL project members [excluding transcribers and lookup > volunteers] are eligible to vote, then this easier to deal with. But if > we are going to recommend that only 2 coordinators from any local unit are > eligible to vote this becomes more problematic. For instance consider the > large county that has 5 hardworking CCs, each of whom registers to vote. > Who does the EC contact to determine eligibility? The SC? If the SC > refuses to choose, then who? The EC? The Board? Just thinking out loud .... I know we had a major discussion about Ballot stuffing but are there really enough co-hosts to throw an election one way or another? Could enough co-hosts sign up to change the outcome of an election? Would it be better to have a cut off date for co-hosts - something long like 6 months if we think that the outcome of an election might hinge on signing up co-hosts for the express purpose of voting a given way? I keep thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:34:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21489 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09135 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E95CA3C1AC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371943C13D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11930 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01f801c02947$676baaa0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:12:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A If the SEC is in charge of all national level elections I would think that would include the special projects board seats. I don't know enough about the special projects to know if the transcribers vote at the local level for who they want as their board representative or even it the transcribers come into play. Does someone else? And, if the transcribers elect their own board member .... then that might cause a major problem with a voter list. Humm...... Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Teresa: I was saying they should not be treated differently at the national > > level. Sorry I wasn't clear. > > It's OK, I get it confused myself sometimes > > But what is the consensus on this issue: Should we recommend that the > standing EC also handle the Special Projects [Archives, Tombstone, Census] > elections for their Board representative seats? > > -Teresa > > > > > Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:51:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23223 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12021 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AC4253C1AC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (unknown [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8E3C14F for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp228-rch.klondyke.net [209.155.37.227]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA21922 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <00e701c02952$42f23300$e3259bd1@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.2.2.20000928065514.00ae7060@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: EARLY MORNING Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:44:43 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree, Ellen. When we get together in relatively small groups, with a specific goal in mind, we can be quite effective without bickering and rancor. I think that this committee will show that this is a good way to solve other problems that plague USGW as well. Shari Handley shari@tyaskin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Pack To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: EARLY MORNING > At 07:31 AM 9/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > >Good Morning Linda; > >Enjoying the coffee and donuts? I just put some apple pie on the table too. > >Esse (Waving from behind her PC at the kitchen table. > > Have to say, I actually enjoy sitting down at my computer every evening, > and first thing in the AM, to see what new goodies show up on this list - > and not just the tangible, edible goodies. > > I've always had good experiences on the USGW committees on which I've > served, but this is without a doubt the BEST. Great ideas, good > communication, well organized, etc. I'm actually going to miss it when > it's over. Hats off to each member, and especially to Holly. > > Pass the donuts, Esse? > > Ellen > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 09:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23450 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12497 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 660D83C1AC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (unknown [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736733C14F for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp228-rch.klondyke.net [209.155.37.227]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA22238 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00f301c02952$a53142e0$e3259bd1@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:47:28 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: There are valid arguments on both sides. But IMO, if we are trying to avoid some of the mistakes of the past, namely the perceived secrecy and backroom politics, it would also be best to bring the Special Projects elections out in the open, as well. Shari Handley shari@tyaskin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Teresa: I was saying they should not be treated differently at the national > > level. Sorry I wasn't clear. > > It's OK, I get it confused myself sometimes > > But what is the consensus on this issue: Should we recommend that the > standing EC also handle the Special Projects [Archives, Tombstone, Census] > elections for their Board representative seats? > > -Teresa > > > > > Linda > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 11:05:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00977 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25734 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B28083C1FA; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A263C1C3 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25296 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026801c02954$1f43c2a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:29:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Teresa: I agree a 100% - thanks for saying it well. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > Just thinking out loud .... I know we had a major discussion about Ballot > > stuffing but are there really enough co-hosts to throw an election one way > > or another? Could enough co-hosts sign up to change the outcome of an > > election? Would it be better to have a cut off date for co-hosts - something > > long like 6 months if we think that the outcome of an election might hinge > > on signing up co-hosts for the express purpose of voting a given way? I keep > > thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the > > right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please > > I personally don't see any reason to deny any member of this project the > vote. I wouldn't want to be the SC who has to choose which 3 out of 5 > valuable project members don't get to vote in my previous example, and I > don't think anyone else is qualified to do it. > > If the only reason for saying that only some certain number of > co-coordinators can vote in the national elections is to prevent vote > packing than my preference is to not recommend that. It is my own feeling > that it is not right to deny the innocent their rights in order to prevent > some bad thing from happening, especially when we cannot prove that anyone > has ever adopted a county solely in order to vote. This position requires > us to 1) punish some arbitrary number of people for something they aren't > guilty of and 2) assume that there is some significant number of people > out there who are behaving badly enough to warrant this. I'd just rather > not do that. > > If we do not recommend any limitations on who can vote other than what is > in the bylaws, then we will look more inclusive than exclusive, more > willing to think good rather than ill of our fellow project members, and > make less work for the EC and the SCs/SPCs. > > -Teresa > > > Linda > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 11:50:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA06035 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03841 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BB0BF3C1F8; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FF23C20D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.28]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928152344.CSZ4901.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c0295f$caed5fc0$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:21:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A > But what is the consensus on this issue: Should we recommend that the > standing EC also handle the Special Projects [Archives, Tombstone, Census] > elections for their Board representative seats? No. I don't think this is a matter to be handled by the EC. There is a large rift in this community over the Special Projects already - deciding at this point that a new committee will be overseeing their elections is *not* going to help heal that rift. Connie _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 13:04:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14326 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17583 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7AC373C213; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FC53C1DF for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14363 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928115409.00b55710@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:00:46 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue In-Reply-To: References: <01f801c02947$676baaa0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 09:49 AM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >The bylaws do not address the specifics of internal project elections, so >as far as I know, each Special Projects and state project is free to >individually determine who may vote in their internal elections [for >whatever, new coordinator, new state guidelines, etc]. But each state project does not get a Board Seat, does it? If the Special Projects are of enough "national importance" to get a Board Seat each, seems to me that the EC should have a lot of input in the Special Projects elections - at least so far as overseeing that they are fair and valid - given that those AB members have a lot of input and can influence what happens to the whole project. This whole bit of lumping the national Special Projects in with the state projects sounds a bit strange to me - what am I missing, or misunderstanding? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 13:38:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17981 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23734 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DE81B3C1E6; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0583C1A5 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.95.11ccf5e (6932) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:37:40 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/28/00 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << I keep thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please >> I don't think there would be enough co-hosts to throw a national election, state or regional could be a different story. I find it hard to disenfranchise any voter or volunteer. However, we might one day consider one vote per county, one vote per recognized Special Project, Census, etc. It would be my place as CC of a county to poll my co-CC's and ask how we as a county should vote. Same as the Special Projects Coordinator to poll his transcribers, assistants etc. The only problem I see with assistant CC voting is in state elections really, (which isn't our turf) I don't think they influence national elections that much yet. But in state elections if one county has five co-hosts they get five votes. It could get to where a small number of counties within a state decide who the SC will be. Again, that's not our turf. I don't like the idea of a cutoff date though. I guess it's a necessary evil, but it seems to leave a bad taste with me for some reason. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 13:51:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19573 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26043 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CC6183C1FD; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD1C3C1E6 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02233 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04de01c0296b$4994c560$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:42:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Teresa wrote: > IMO, the rift in the USGW over the Special Projects is because they are > perceived as being treated differently, being allowed to operate by their > own rules when the rest of us have to follow the bylaws, and as not being > fully a part of the USGW. Whether this perception is right or wrong it > exists and I think that including the Special Projects in with the rest of > the project when elections are done will help to alleviate it. Once again 100% agreement. Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:07:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21391 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28972 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id ED2B83C22F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CBA3C12A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28237 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:07:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928123630.00b516f0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:03:36 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:37 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I don't like the idea of a cutoff date though. I guess it's a necessary evil, >but it seems to leave a bad taste with me for some reason. > >Chip One thing that I hope doesn't get lost in the shuffle regards the adoption of counties near time for an election. Could some sort of guideline be established that would insure that each county is represented? I know that for the county in GA I adopted, the ex-CC was still the webmaster for at least one county's site - Campbell county, GA - http://www.mindspring.com/~swampfox/Campbell_County/Campbell.htm - for that matter, he still is, though the new CC has been showing up on the table for a few months - but the EC rep for our area said that she did not even have his (the old CC's) name and e-addy when I posted to her, as I was advised to do, asking if he would be voting representing the county I adopted (Carroll county, GA, http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/Carroll/ ) - that same CC had another county or two also, I believe, that he relinquished and were adopted about the same time, and I have no idea who - if anyone - voted as CC for those counties - maybe the EC rep got in touch with the "old" CC - I never heard back from her. I have a good SC - Tim - and am certain that with him also being the NC and knowing what he was supposed to do, it was handled correctly, but it just seems that, given the SCs who are not so good, or so knowledgeable about what they should do, this sort of situation leaves a lot of room for abuse. Is there not some way that a moratorium could be put on relinquishing and adopting counties during that period that the "cutoff date" is in effect? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:10:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA22309 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29546 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AA9853C24C; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (unknown [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52743C12A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp98-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.114]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20616 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:10:26 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c02976$7acfeaa0$72b3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:02:48 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote > In a message dated 9/28/00 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: > > << I keep > thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the > right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please >> > > I don't think there would be enough co-hosts to throw a national election, > state or regional could be a different story. The NC runoff election this year was decided by 35 votes. In 1999, it was decided by 13 votes. With margins that slim, it would definately be possible for a small group of people to make a concerted effort to take on additional county sites in different regions as Co-CC or Asst. CC, and to therefore "throw" the election, and I see a high potential for abuses of this type. > > I find it hard to disenfranchise any voter or volunteer. However, we might > one day consider one vote per county, one vote per recognized Special > Project, Census, etc. It would be my place as CC of a county to poll my > co-CC's and ask how we as a county should vote. Same as the Special Projects > Coordinator to poll his transcribers, assistants etc. I agree, and I don't think anyone would want to disenfranchise legitimate voters. There are a lot of county sites out there with legitimate, highly productive CC teams of more than 2 people. While I was a member of the EC this year, I fought hard to ensure that a vote was given to all volunteers who were eligible within the cutoff date. I didn't think that there should be a limit as the the number of voting Co-CCs, or that state-level special projects personnel should be excluded. At the same time, who wants to see unscrupulous people thumbing their noses at the rest of the honest, hard-working volunteers by taking on the title of Co-CC or Asst. CC, in name only, influencing the outcome of the election, and overturning the actual will of the majority? And that's the dilemma we're facing. How do we help prevent the one, while ensuring the other? I don't know. This year, I happen to think that the cutoff date was effective. In future elections, though, the cutoff date will really not matter. Short of asking SCs to screen new Co-CCs (ie Do they have a legitimate interest in the county?), what can we do? Shari _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:12:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA22957 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29954 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 349F03C24D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F013C12A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22771 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <050901c0296e$5ae6f240$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:55:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Hi Chip: I also don't like the idea of a cut off date other than "if you're not registered by xx date you can't vote" which is pretty standard procedure. I really don't care how anyone runs their local level elections but for any type of national vote I feel strongly about 1 person (volunteer) 1 vote. I'm back to the guy I know who is the CC of at least 20 or maybe 30 counties and does almost nothing for any of them. If we allowed one vote per county then this guy would be able to vote 20 or 30 times. In fact now that I think about it I know maybe 2 or 3 more CCs who have multiple counties (by that I mean more than 2 or 3 counties). I have a hard time with those people getting to vote multiple times just because they maintain more than one county. I feel every volunteer should be equal to any other. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote > In a message dated 9/28/00 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: > > << I keep > thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the > right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please >> > > I don't think there would be enough co-hosts to throw a national election, > state or regional could be a different story. > > I find it hard to disenfranchise any voter or volunteer. However, we might > one day consider one vote per county, one vote per recognized Special > Project, Census, etc. It would be my place as CC of a county to poll my > co-CC's and ask how we as a county should vote. Same as the Special Projects > Coordinator to poll his transcribers, assistants etc. > > The only problem I see with assistant CC voting is in state elections really, > (which isn't our turf) I don't think they influence national elections that > much yet. But in state elections if one county has five co-hosts they get > five votes. It could get to where a small number of counties within a state > decide who the SC will be. > > Again, that's not our turf. > > I don't like the idea of a cutoff date though. I guess it's a necessary evil, > but it seems to leave a bad taste with me for some reason. > > Chip > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:18:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23595 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01122 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BA50D3C24F; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851583C12F for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-012.efn.org (pm3-012.efn.org [206.163.180.12]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8SIIPA02158 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D38CAE.A6B@efn.org> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:23:42 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties References: <009701c02934$1fa7c220$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > ............ I don't think a volunteer should be able to unsubscribe > from the list. I respectfully disagree. I don't think a *volunteer* should be FORCED to do anything. I know forcing me to do anything would be the fastest way to get me to say "ADIOS!" I like to be led, but I can't stand to be pushed. I understand the sentiments behind making it mandatory, but I think it would be wrong. My SC did a great job of passing all election info to us, but even if that weren't the case, I was able to find everything I needed to know about the election by following links from the main USGW page. I think those pages were well done, and informative. I hope we will have them next national election. IMO, the only concern would be to TRY to get the word out to everyone. When I was in the Army, who could, and did, make things mandatory, they estimated that there were still 10% who never got the word. I think we can expect that, no matter what we do, there will be a percentage that won't get the word. We have to count on the SC's. In that case, I think the old adage about honey catching more flies than vinegar may apply. The SEC should do all they can to establish a good working relationship with the SC's, and of course, have the good election web pages I mentioned earlier. Beyond that, it is not their fault if the word didn't get to that percentage that would never get the word anyway. John > My comments inserted below > > Linda H D > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: merope > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:47 AM > Subject: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > > > > > Mornin' all, > > > > Since we all seem to be in agreement that there should be a standing EC, > > here's my take on the duties suggested so far for that group: > > > > 1) maintaining an up to date voter list-- I think this should be the > > responsibility of the EC. How the EC chooses to do this can be left up to > > it, IMO. > > ......... I agree with the maintaining the voter list, adding that the SEC's > voter's list should include ALL eligible voters per the bylaws. I disagree > with leaving it up to the EC how they choose to get the info. I think the > final suggestions we make should include instructions on how the names are > gathered. By this time everyone knows how I feel about voter lists submitted > by the SC. If a means of gathering names is not included in our suggestions > then the SEC could simply ask the SC for a list and we'd be right where we > are now. > > > > > 2) maintaining a web page--I think at a bare minimum the web page should > > contain a) contact info for current committee members; b) info on current > > or upcoming elections; c) a way to subscribe to an announce-only mail > > list; d) a place for voters to register or to _verify_ that they are > > registered; e) a place that SCs can check that their voters are > > registered. > > ............. Adding Bob's suggestion for the canidate pages > > > > 3) maintaining an "elections" mailing list--several people who responded > > to the survey suggested that better communication might solve some of the > > problems with the elections. An announce-only mailing list might be the > > best way to do this. We can suggest that membership on the mail list be > > mandatory, but I don't know how well this will go over with the > > volunteers. Perhaps if the list is used sparingly to distribute only > > election materials people will stay subbed and won't redirect the mail to > > their trash bin. > > ............ I don't think a volunteer should be able to unsubscribe from > the list. In our non-cyber life we all get newsletters from the various > organizations we belong to. We have the option of reading or not reading > them. It should be the same here. The read-only list messages should be sent > to all members. If they wish to send them to the trash that's their option. > I think a blanket e-mail from the SEC to every single member telling them > they are being subscribed and what the list is for would forewarn them of > forthcoming e-mails. That same message could be sent to every new volunteer > when their name is added to the membership / voting lists. I, personally, > have never been a volunteer where I could say to the organization - Oh BTW I > don't want you to mail me anything. > > > > > 4) evaluating and selecting a secure, neutral, professional voting > > mechanism. IMO the multitude of problems with this year's system > > [duplicate or triplicate IDs, missing IDs, open access to votes initially, > > lack of a verification email, etc] soured a large number of people on the > > whole process. They lost confidence in the system early on and never > > regained it. > > ................ I agree. There was a note on one of the survey responses > where a project had developed just such a program and it was offered to us. > Should this committee try to find such a program or should that be left to > the SEC when they are appointed? > > > > 5) producing quarterly reports of EC business to be disseminated to the > > project lists; producing special election reports at the close of each > > election > > .............. I agree > > > > 6) running election, including establishing a mechanism to receive > > nominations and verify status of nominees; announce candidacies for open > > positions; sending ballots; collecting, counting and storing votes; > > certifying elections; etc. > > ................I agree > > > > Anything else? > > > > -Teresa > > merope@radix.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:22:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24009 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01656 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 167D93C22B; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B3E3C12F for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07760 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928131030.00b5be50@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:17:42 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <003801c02976$7acfeaa0$72b3f5d0@computer> References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 02:02 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: > Short of asking SCs to screen new Co-CCs (ie Do they >have a legitimate interest in the county?), what can we do? First, I think, would be asking the SCs to see that the CC's have a legitimate interest in the county. I still think it should be a requirement that the person either be actively researching an ancestor in the county OR live in the county - or both - but that suggestion did not fly the last time I said it so I doubt that it ever will. The excuse that "way back when, not many people wanted to adopt counties" doesn't wash now - there are plenty of folks who are researching in counties who would love to CC - what's the deal? The SC wants to be able to pick and choose his/her friends who will vote the right way, no matter whether they have interest in the county or not, IMHO - or at least that is how it seems to a lot of folks, apparently. Anyone have a way to combat that??? Carol Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:33:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25516 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03771 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4557D3C1E8; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.42]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466983C123 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.254.15] by mhub2.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <002f01c02979$b6dea4c0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <003101c0295f$caed5fc0$0201a8c0@connie> Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:25:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I disagree. If people are to be seated by the Advisory Board, then the elections for the USGenWeb Project Advisory Board positions should ALL be handled by the USGenWeb Elections Committee. The committee should include people from these project and the committee should handle the administration of the elections. To me, this removes any notions of impropriety that may come up. If the SCs of the NW/Plains region decided they were going to have their own election, that just wouldn't make sense. They are electing a position for the AB and the election should be handled by a broad member-based Elections Committee. Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie Bates To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue > > But what is the consensus on this issue: Should we recommend that the > > standing EC also handle the Special Projects [Archives, Tombstone, Census] > > elections for their Board representative seats? > > No. I don't think this is a matter to be handled by the EC. There is a > large rift in this community over the Special Projects already - deciding at > this point that a new committee will be overseeing their elections is *not* > going to help heal that rift. > > Connie > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:54:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28356 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07743 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6F1953C256; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9593C255 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-012.efn.org (pm3-012.efn.org [206.163.180.12]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8SIsDA10169 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39D39513.6689@efn.org> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:59:31 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <050901c0296e$5ae6f240$0200a8c0@Linda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > for any type of national vote I feel strongly about 1 person > (volunteer) 1 vote. I have changed my mind twice on this issue since this committee was formed (see, discussion is good!). After a lot of hard thought on this, I agree with Linda's statement above. I believe it was Pat Hayes who made a compelling statement that had me swing the other way for a while, and that was something to the effect that, as a cc in different regions, he wants to have a say in who represents him in each of those regions. I think this is still a valid point, and maybe can be addressed, but for the national vote, I really I strongly believe in *one volunteer, one vote.* If that causes a few counties to go up for adoption, it just means the fox left the henhouse. If not, then we know that it is unlikely that the cc took the county on for political reasons. So, count me in on one volunteer, one vote. John > Hi Chip: I also don't like the idea of a cut off date other than "if you're > not registered by xx date you can't vote" which is pretty standard > procedure. > > I really don't care how anyone runs their local level elections but for any > type of national vote I feel strongly about 1 person (volunteer) 1 vote. > > I'm back to the guy I know who is the CC of at least 20 or maybe 30 counties > and does almost nothing for any of them. If we allowed one vote per county > then this guy would be able to vote 20 or 30 times. In fact now that I think > about it I know maybe 2 or 3 more CCs who have multiple counties (by that I > mean more than 2 or 3 counties). I have a hard time with those people > getting to vote multiple times just because they maintain more than one > county. > > I feel every volunteer should be equal to any other. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:37 PM > Subject: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote > > > In a message dated 9/28/00 12:11:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: > > > > << I keep > > thinking that if someone volunteers for this project they should have the > > right to vote. Maybe I'm off base - comments please >> > > > > I don't think there would be enough co-hosts to throw a national election, > > state or regional could be a different story. > > > > I find it hard to disenfranchise any voter or volunteer. However, we might > > one day consider one vote per county, one vote per recognized Special > > Project, Census, etc. It would be my place as CC of a county to poll my > > co-CC's and ask how we as a county should vote. Same as the Special > Projects > > Coordinator to poll his transcribers, assistants etc. > > > > The only problem I see with assistant CC voting is in state elections > really, > > (which isn't our turf) I don't think they influence national elections > that > > much yet. But in state elections if one county has five co-hosts they get > > five votes. It could get to where a small number of counties within a > state > > decide who the SC will be. > > > > Again, that's not our turf. > > > > I don't like the idea of a cutoff date though. I guess it's a necessary > evil, > > but it seems to leave a bad taste with me for some reason. > > > > Chip > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 15:21:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01760 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13075 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6B0123C275; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34343C273 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.56.13413f9 (4509) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <56.13413f9.2704f3e8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:20:08 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Right to vote Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/28/00 2:46:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << I'm back to the guy I know who is the CC of at least 20 or maybe 30 counties and does almost nothing for any of them. >> You know, you've all made some very practical arguments for a cutoff date. I may have to rethink that one. Again, this isn't our turf, but I don't think it's far beyond our vote stacking issue. We have problems I know of people being co-hosts and voting, without doing anything for the counties they co-host. Also we have many many hosts in name only. Maybe this is something we could file away as something the national level needs to look at addressing. I don't like the idea of a host being forced to add to his or her site ever so often as a requirement to be host, but I hate the idea of people sitting on counties worse. But I just don't like cutoff dates. Now if we start requiring registration to vote, a cutoff on the registration day might be in order. I know it's the exact same thing, but it doesn't tell new CC's "We don't think you know enough to vote." I think that sentiment either real or imagined is what I didn't like. I hadn't thought about it, but only 35 votes separating the winner or loser, I see the problem with vote stacking. Hopefully we'll come up with ideas to get turnout up and make that a mute point all together. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 15:30:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02849 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14971 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 853713C249; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79CA3C1E0 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25109 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:30:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928142203.00ba2840@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:27:19 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right to vote In-Reply-To: <56.13413f9.2704f3e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 03:20 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I hadn't thought about it, but only 35 votes separating the winner or loser, >I see the problem with vote stacking. Hopefully we'll come up with ideas to >get turnout up and make that a mute point all together. Which leads me to another question - What exactly is the function of this committee, Holly? Are we just to make a report or recommendations to the EC or to the AB or to the General Membership or what? Is anything solid to come of what we are discussing, or are we just discussing? It is beginning to sound like the problems we are discussing are not going to be solved by anything short of rewriting the bylaws - Carol C-H (feeling very discouraged) Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:07:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07249 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22725 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 85C173C289; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CB13C234 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31181 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <054401c0297e$604dbf60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <4.3.1.2.20000928131030.00b5be50@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:50:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Carol wrote: > First, I think, would be asking the SCs to see that the CC's have a > legitimate interest in the county. I still think it should be a > requirement that the person either be actively researching an ancestor in > the county OR live in the county - or both - but that suggestion did not > fly the last time I said it so I doubt that it ever will. >>> snipped <<<< Perhaps this would be a good suggestion to the AB and/or bylaw committee? I'd prefer it that way also because a couple of my surname counties are maintained by the fellow who has a gazillion counties and there is never any info on those county sites except for links to the genconnect boards and few other general things. I know it would be a lot easier for me if I were the CC for Tulsa since I'm back home now and have access to all kinds of records while I have to take a vacation to get to Marion Co AR and then must xerox or scan as many records as time and money will allow. I'm collecting stuff for the Tulsa CC as I can but I don't know how many other people do the same for the counties they live in. However I'm not sure it's easy to get CCs - I still see a lot of counties up for adoption. We have a couple of SCs on the committee so let's ask them. Is it still hard to get CCs? Linda H D lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:07:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07262 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22739 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B2C713C28B; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058FB3C28A for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12521 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <054501c0297e$62f4c380$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <050901c0296e$5ae6f240$0200a8c0@Linda> <39D39513.6689@efn.org> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:56:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: John when I was talking about 1 volunteer 1 vote I should have expanded and added that if a CC is in more than one region then it should not be a problem for that person to vote for a regional rep in each region. It's easy to verify if a person is really a CC for different regions. But still only 1 person 1 vote - no multiple votes just because a person has more than 1 county. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > for any type of national vote I feel strongly about 1 person > > (volunteer) 1 vote. > > I have changed my mind twice on this issue since this committee was > formed (see, discussion is good!). After a lot of hard thought on this, > I agree with Linda's statement above. I believe it was Pat Hayes who > made a compelling statement that had me swing the other way for a while, > and that was something to the effect that, as a cc in different regions, > he wants to have a say in who represents him in each of those regions. > I think this is still a valid point, and maybe can be addressed, but for > the national vote, I really I strongly believe in *one volunteer, one > vote.* > > If that causes a few counties to go up for adoption, it just means the > fox left the henhouse. If not, then we know that it is unlikely that > the cc took the county on for political reasons. So, count me in on one > volunteer, one vote. > > John > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 13:32:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17269 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22636 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C07AD3C1B0; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6653C15E for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03338 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:32:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928122232.00c05180@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:28:09 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000928115409.00b55710@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:18 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > But each state project does not get a Board Seat, does it? If the > Special > > Projects are of enough "national importance" to get a Board Seat each, > > seems to me that the EC should have a lot of input in the Special Projects > > elections - at least so far as overseeing that they are fair and valid - > > given that those AB members have a lot of input and can influence what > > happens to the whole project. This whole bit of lumping the national > > Special Projects in with the state projects sounds a bit strange to me - > > what am I missing, or misunderstanding? > >I think you are misunderstanding but only a little. I am not proposing >[and I don't think anyone would] that the EC manage or get involved in any >local level elections, such as for a new SC or SPC, or in any state-level >projects. We are not discussing lumping the state level projects, >whatever they may be, in with the Big Three [Archives, Census, Tombstone] >to elect their Board reps. The state level special project folks vote for >Local Coordinator representatives, not for Special Project >representatives. Only the members of the Big Three would vote for those >representatives. > I didn't mean that I thought we were lumping them together as far as inputting into state elections, only that I don't understand why they are lumped together at all. Why, since the Special Projects get to have a Board Rep, are they even mentioned in the same breath as the state projects? The sound like a totally different classification, to me, and that their (the Special Projects) Board Elections, at least, SHOULD come under the supervision of the EC - without question - why are they not? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 14:45:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27342 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06130 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 28CB93C252; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582663C22D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.166]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928184515.NJB9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: <007601c0297b$f0503b40$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: <01f801c02947$676baaa0$0200a8c0@Linda> <4.3.1.2.20000928115409.00b55710@mail.netdoor.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:43:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Special Projects Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > >The bylaws do not address the specifics of internal project elections, so > >as far as I know, each Special Projects and state project is free to > >individually determine who may vote in their internal elections ARTICLE XIII. SPECIAL PROJECTS Section 3. The staff members of The USGenWeb Archives Project, The USGenWeb Census Project, and The USGenWeb Tombstone Project shall each elect one Special Project Representative to serve as a voting member of The USGenWeb Project Advisory Board. ---------------------------- So - is the EC going to decide who is and who is not a staff member of these special projects? (Actually - I'd kinda *like* to know the whos and whoisn'ts in these projects - how many staff members does it take to place a representative on the AB?) Exactly what functions of the election is going to come under the umbrella of the EC? The way I read the By Laws (and I may be wrong) there is *no* control over any of the Special Projects by the rest of the USGenWeb Project - except that with a 2/3 vote of both the AB and the "project staff" the coordinator can be removed. Although I would like to see each of the SPs become more a part of the greater USGenWeb Project rather than an autonomous entity, I am not convinced that bringing their elections under the umbrella of the EC would accomplish that. Connie _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From cch@netdoor.com Thu Sep 28 16:09:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07625 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23140 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23120 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:09:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928145757.00b61260@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:05:51 -0500 To: merope From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right to vote In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000928142203.00ba2840@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: Thanks, Teresa, for getting me back on track - this is one of those days when everything I have tried to accomplish is contingent on another issue that is not even remotely within my control - do you know that feeling? This situation is just one of many - but it does feel like one more instance of spinning my wheels. And I am retired...... :-( Carol At 03:45 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > Carol C-H (feeling very discouraged) > >Don't be discouraged. The purpose of this committee is to come up with a >set of suggestions for the conduct of future national level elections. I >don't think we need anything like 100% agreement on what we come up with, >and the discussion is certainly leading us some interesting places. > >Once we produce a report, which will probably represent a broad consensus >of the committee on several key areas with a minority report for positions >that had some support but not majority support, it will go to the Board. >THey will either accept it or reject it, or maybe they will accept parts >of it and not others. > >Our job is just really to hash out what we think were the problems with >the last elections and what we think is the best way to fix them. > >-Teresa > > > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are > loved. ~Victor > > Hugo~ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:39:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11466 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29798 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DE88A3C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A9A3C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19999 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <057c01c02982$e27cf060$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000928142203.00ba2840@mail.netdoor.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right to vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:28:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Hi Carol: Don't be discouraged. This committee has been an opportunity not given to many of us and that is to discuss problems without a lot of heated arguments and spiteful name calling. I for one have enjoyed it tremendously. However I just sent a post saying much the same thing you are saying - I don't think it's our job to decide who can or cannot vote or even if it's one vote per person or one vote per county or one vote per state. So I'll shut up about any right to vote and concentrate on the issues at hand. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol C-H To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right to vote > At 03:20 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >I hadn't thought about it, but only 35 votes separating the winner or loser, > >I see the problem with vote stacking. Hopefully we'll come up with ideas to > >get turnout up and make that a mute point all together. > Which leads me to another question - > > What exactly is the function of this committee, Holly? Are we just to make > a report or recommendations to the EC or to the AB or to the General > Membership or what? Is anything solid to come of what we are discussing, > or are we just discussing? > > It is beginning to sound like the problems we are discussing are not going > to be solved by anything short of rewriting the bylaws - > > Carol C-H (feeling very discouraged) > > Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor > Hugo~ > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11491 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29846 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A1F533C12D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123113C1B2 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02187 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <057d01c02982$e4069da0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <009701c02934$1fa7c220$0200a8c0@Linda> <39D38CAE.A6B@efn.org> Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Thanks John - I also remember my military days and the AF was much nicer than the Army. I also get my back up with anything that is mandatory. So I'll rethink my position on this one Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: John McCoy To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > > ............ I don't think a volunteer should be able to unsubscribe > from the list. > > I respectfully disagree. I don't think a *volunteer* should be FORCED > to do anything. I know forcing me to do anything would be the fastest > way to get me to say "ADIOS!" I like to be led, but I can't stand to be > pushed. I understand the sentiments behind making it mandatory, but I > think it would be wrong. > > My SC did a great job of passing all election info to us, but even if > that weren't the case, I was able to find everything I needed to know > about the election by following links from the main USGW page. I think > those pages were well done, and informative. I hope we will have them > next national election. > > IMO, the only concern would be to TRY to get the word out to everyone. > When I was in the Army, who could, and did, make things mandatory, they > estimated that there were still 10% who never got the word. I think we > can expect that, no matter what we do, there will be a percentage that > won't get the word. > > We have to count on the SC's. In that case, I think the old adage about > honey catching more flies than vinegar may apply. The SEC should do all > they can to establish a good working relationship with the SC's, and of > course, have the good election web pages I mentioned earlier. Beyond > that, it is not their fault if the word didn't get to that percentage > that would never get the word anyway. > > John > > > > My comments inserted below > > > > Linda H D > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: merope > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:47 AM > > Subject: [ESC] Standing Election Committee/Duties > > > > > > > > Mornin' all, > > > > > > Since we all seem to be in agreement that there should be a standing EC, > > > here's my take on the duties suggested so far for that group: > > > > > > 1) maintaining an up to date voter list-- I think this should be the > > > responsibility of the EC. How the EC chooses to do this can be left up to > > > it, IMO. > > > > ......... I agree with the maintaining the voter list, adding that the SEC's > > voter's list should include ALL eligible voters per the bylaws. I disagree > > with leaving it up to the EC how they choose to get the info. I think the > > final suggestions we make should include instructions on how the names are > > gathered. By this time everyone knows how I feel about voter lists submitted > > by the SC. If a means of gathering names is not included in our suggestions > > then the SEC could simply ask the SC for a list and we'd be right where we > > are now. > > > > > > > > 2) maintaining a web page--I think at a bare minimum the web page should > > > contain a) contact info for current committee members; b) info on current > > > or upcoming elections; c) a way to subscribe to an announce-only mail > > > list; d) a place for voters to register or to _verify_ that they are > > > registered; e) a place that SCs can check that their voters are > > > registered. > > > > ............. Adding Bob's suggestion for the canidate pages > > > > > > 3) maintaining an "elections" mailing list--several people who responded > > > to the survey suggested that better communication might solve some of the > > > problems with the elections. An announce-only mailing list might be the > > > best way to do this. We can suggest that membership on the mail list be > > > mandatory, but I don't know how well this will go over with the > > > volunteers. Perhaps if the list is used sparingly to distribute only > > > election materials people will stay subbed and won't redirect the mail to > > > their trash bin. > > > > ............ I don't think a volunteer should be able to unsubscribe from > > the list. In our non-cyber life we all get newsletters from the various > > organizations we belong to. We have the option of reading or not reading > > them. It should be the same here. The read-only list messages should be sent > > to all members. If they wish to send them to the trash that's their option. > > I think a blanket e-mail from the SEC to every single member telling them > > they are being subscribed and what the list is for would forewarn them of > > forthcoming e-mails. That same message could be sent to every new volunteer > > when their name is added to the membership / voting lists. I, personally, > > have never been a volunteer where I could say to the organization - Oh BTW I > > don't want you to mail me anything. > > > > > > > > 4) evaluating and selecting a secure, neutral, professional voting > > > mechanism. IMO the multitude of problems with this year's system > > > [duplicate or triplicate IDs, missing IDs, open access to votes initially, > > > lack of a verification email, etc] soured a large number of people on the > > > whole process. They lost confidence in the system early on and never > > > regained it. > > > > ................ I agree. There was a note on one of the survey responses > > where a project had developed just such a program and it was offered to us. > > Should this committee try to find such a program or should that be left to > > the SEC when they are appointed? > > > > > > 5) producing quarterly reports of EC business to be disseminated to the > > > project lists; producing special election reports at the close of each > > > election > > > > .............. I agree > > > > > > 6) running election, including establishing a mechanism to receive > > > nominations and verify status of nominees; announce candidacies for open > > > positions; sending ballots; collecting, counting and storing votes; > > > certifying elections; etc. > > > > ................I agree > > > > > > Anything else? > > > > > > -Teresa > > > merope@radix.net > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Esc mailing list > > > Esc@pairlist.net > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11768 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00433 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3914C3C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8E33C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id s.92.a7a9dfe (9559) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <92.a7a9dfe.2705072f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:42:23 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/28/2000 11:22:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cch@netdoor.com writes: << First, I think, would be asking the SCs to see that the CC's have a legitimate interest in the county. I still think it should be a requirement that the person either be actively researching an ancestor in the county OR live in the county - or both - but that suggestion did not fly the last time I said it so I doubt that it ever will. The excuse that "way back when, not many people wanted to adopt counties" doesn't wash now - there are plenty of folks who are researching in counties who would love to CC - what's the deal? The SC wants to be able to pick and choose his/her friends who will vote the right way, no matter whether they have interest in the county or not, IMHO - or at least that is how it seems to a lot of folks, apparently. Anyone have a way to combat that??? Carol >> Carol I have several small (population wise) counties in Colorado that were placed as adoptable for several months. I finaly had someone willing to do any county take on one of them, and a CC for aother County request the final one, with me as co host. I have had to babysit severl counties during my two years working in the COGenWeb. There are not always people interested in every county in a rural state. Just giving you the perspective of an SC who loves to have a local researcher interesed in adopting a county. Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 16:32:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10390 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28293 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B70423C144; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B753C12D for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust70.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.70]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01374 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <054d01c02981$d56a3000$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <050901c0296e$5ae6f240$0200a8c0@Linda> <39D39513.6689@efn.org> <054501c0297e$62f4c380$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:25:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I've been thinking a lot about this and I'm not sure this committee's job is to determine who has the right to vote and who doesn't. (although I've enjoyed the discussion which has been insightful) This election's EC was in hot water from the word go because of voter cut off dates, perceived improprieties, etc. etc. If the SEC is to be effective I believe it should be up front, out in the open and abide by the bylaws which, if I'm not misreading them, say all volunteers can vote (excluding transcribers and look-up folks). So no matter how we all feel about ballot stuffing (in any shape or form) I don't believe it's our job to solve that problem. Pass our concerns on to the board by all means but I don't think the "right to vote" should be of any concern to the SEC. I do believe this committee should make a recommendation, perhaps outside of this committee's SEC recommendations as to the 1 volunteer, 1 vote or whatever the consensus is of this committee. But once again I don't believe even that falls within the scope of the SEC. Comments? Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 17:40:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19535 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11867 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0EE4E3C277; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B5E3C15E for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00494 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928162317.00b5a580@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:37:10 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <92.a7a9dfe.2705072f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 04:42 PM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I have had to babysit severl counties during my two years working in the >COGenWeb. There are not always people interested in every county in a rural >state. > >Just giving you the perspective of an SC who loves to have a local researcher >interesed in adopting a county. > >Mary Ann Didn't mean disrespect, Mary Ann - and also what I was saying was either 1) someone who is researching ancestors in the county, or 2) someone local (even though they are not researching in the county) - I have volunteered to host the county in which I live if it ever becomes available, though I have no ancestors in this state. I would be willing to temporarily adopt any counties in the states in which I research, but if I adopted a county not on the Atlantic or Gulf Coast - with the exception of TN, where the family has ancestors migrating through - there would be some mighty unusual reason for my doing so - What I do not understand are those who adopt a county in a state in which they do not live or research, Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 17:53:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22044 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14944 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 92DA63C15E; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB8A3C133 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.8]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928215337.HEF425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928175231.00c0cdd0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:59:17 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000928142203.00ba2840@mail.netdoor.com> References: <56.13413f9.2704f3e8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] our goal Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 02:27 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >What exactly is the function of this committee, Holly? Are we just to >make a report or recommendations to the EC or to the AB or to the General >Membership or what? Is anything solid to come of what we are discussing, >or are we just discussing? > >It is beginning to sound like the problems we are discussing are not going >to be solved by anything short of rewriting the bylaws - First, our subject matter is stuff directly related to elections although I see no problem with our adding some sort of comment or additional thoughts on non-election issues but not as an official part of our report... perhaps an addendum? Secondly, ByLaws take time to change and success at changing them is problematical... what we should so is come up with the best election guidelines, procedure, mechanism, etc, we can that can be accomplished WITHOUT requiring a bylaws change BUT some of these areas may also have strong recommendations for changes that involve ByLaws changes. In other words we need to be able to work this out and have a functioning election process within the present system and yet include any future improvements that require bylaws changes. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23803 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16931 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 31E5A3C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f283.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.158]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382623C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:01:22 -0700 Received: from 168.91.191.62 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:01:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.91.191.62] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:01:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 22:01:22.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[A378B010:01C02997] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I didn't mean the transcribers. There were quite a few of the census project group who were members. In one of the notes sent to Holly, it mentioned that he/she was refused a ID # because he/she was on the census project run by Ron. Sincerely, Esse >From: MHet703234@aol.com >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] Registration page >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:18 EDT > >In a message dated 9/28/2000 4:21:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >esse_frye@hotmail.com writes: > ><< Mary; > I thought they were cc's? How else could they have voted? (Please don't > think I am showing any disrespect here, because I am not. I had thought > that they were all CC's. > Esse > > >> > > >Not taking it as dissrespect. No not all the census transcribers are CC's. >You don't have to be a CC to volunteer to transcribe. Anyone can volunteer >to >transcribe census records. > >Mary Ann > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:03:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24340 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17577 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 87B613C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39263C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.8]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928220350.OAQ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:03:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928180004.00d18450@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:09:29 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <054501c0297e$62f4c380$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <050901c0296e$5ae6f240$0200a8c0@Linda> <39D39513.6689@efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:56 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >John when I was talking about 1 volunteer 1 vote I should have expanded and >added that if a CC is in more than one region then it should not be a >problem for that person to vote for a regional rep in each region. It's easy >to verify if a person is really a CC for different regions. But still only 1 >person 1 vote - no multiple votes just because a person has more than 1 >county. If a person has counties in more than one region, they still only get one vote for NC and Rep At Large. For example, I have a county in NY (NE Region) and am co-CC in AR (SW Region)... I therefore have one vote for NE CC Rep, one vote for SW CC Rep and only one vote for NC. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:10:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25577 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19063 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9EC443C1DB; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.178]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB66F3C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:10:48 -0700 Received: from 168.91.191.62 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:10:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.91.191.62] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:10:48 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 22:10:48.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[F48971F0:01C02998] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Connie; Why would it be wrong? If we have one election committee then ALL members (Including the special projects) should be governed by one. Besides, holding their elections without letting the remainder of the members know about it, is undermining the whole reason why the EC was set up for. What is good for one is good for all. Esse >From: "Connie Bates" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:21:35 -0400 > > > But what is the consensus on this issue: Should we recommend that the > > standing EC also handle the Special Projects [Archives, Tombstone, >Census] > > elections for their Board representative seats? > >No. I don't think this is a matter to be handled by the EC. There is a >large rift in this community over the Special Projects already - deciding >at >this point that a new committee will be overseeing their elections is *not* >going to help heal that rift. > >Connie > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:12:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26012 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19585 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A0F8A3C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47D33C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.8]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928221236.VDG425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:12:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928180946.00bf5580@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:18:16 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm In-Reply-To: <054401c0297e$604dbf60$0200a8c0@Linda> References: <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> <4.3.1.2.20000928131030.00b5be50@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] getting CC's Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:50 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >However I'm not sure it's easy to get CCs - I still see a lot of counties up >for adoption. We have a couple of SCs on the committee so let's ask them. Is >it still hard to get CCs? Sometimes yes, sometimes no... depends if there is anyone already involved with the county that will take it on (a co-CC or asst or contributor). Some counties just sit there though. I try hard to find someone who cares about the county for some reason, whether it is living there or roots there or whatever and often find myself or one of my ASC's babysitting the county, sometimes for months. When it comes to such rules, in my opinion, IF there are any at all, they are a state matter, not a national issue and certainly not an EC issue. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:13:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26124 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19688 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 280CA3C1B1; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5414C3C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:13:07 -0700 Received: from 168.91.191.62 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.91.191.62] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:13:07 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 22:13:07.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[47B78B00:01C02999] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Why should the special projects be treated any differently from the original project? We are all under the same umbrella. The members should also have a say as to who on the special projects should be voted to the board. Esse >From: Carol C-H >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:00:46 -0500 > >At 09:49 AM 09/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>The bylaws do not address the specifics of internal project elections, so >>as far as I know, each Special Projects and state project is free to >>individually determine who may vote in their internal elections [for >>whatever, new coordinator, new state guidelines, etc]. >But each state project does not get a Board Seat, does it? If the Special >Projects are of enough "national importance" to get a Board Seat each, >seems to me that the EC should have a lot of input in the Special Projects >elections - at least so far as overseeing that they are fair and valid - >given that those AB members have a lot of input and can influence what >happens to the whole project. This whole bit of lumping the national >Special Projects in with the state projects sounds a bit strange to me - >what am I missing, or misunderstanding? > > > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ >The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor >Hugo~ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:17:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26749 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20628 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1C1F33C1DF; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f212.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.212]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CB43C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:17:34 -0700 Received: from 168.91.191.62 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:17:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.91.191.62] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:17:34 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 22:17:34.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6BD88D0:01C02999] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Why should the members of the big three be allowed to vote for their representatives, when in reality they are a part of the USGW? If so, then the members theirselves should have the right to vote what representative they would like in. This might be part of the rift that was talked about. Why should they be treated any differently, just because they have special projects? These special projects are part of the Main Project. I would think they should be included in the whole instead of seperate. Esse >From: merope >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: esc@pairlist.net >Subject: Re: [ESC] Another issue >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:18:11 -0400 (EDT) > > >On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > But each state project does not get a Board Seat, does it? If the >Special > > Projects are of enough "national importance" to get a Board Seat each, > > seems to me that the EC should have a lot of input in the Special >Projects > > elections - at least so far as overseeing that they are fair and valid - > > given that those AB members have a lot of input and can influence what > > happens to the whole project. This whole bit of lumping the national > > Special Projects in with the state projects sounds a bit strange to me - > > what am I missing, or misunderstanding? > >I think you are misunderstanding but only a little. I am not proposing >[and I don't think anyone would] that the EC manage or get involved in any >local level elections, such as for a new SC or SPC, or in any state-level >projects. We are not discussing lumping the state level projects, >whatever they may be, in with the Big Three [Archives, Census, Tombstone] >to elect their Board reps. The state level special project folks vote for >Local Coordinator representatives, not for Special Project >representatives. Only the members of the Big Three would vote for those >representatives. > >-Teresa > who thinks if we decide to recommend this we will need to be _very_ >careful with our wording. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:21:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA27319 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21206 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4EE373C205; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A093C16B for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.8]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20000928222057.BAVF425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:20:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928181949.00c14150@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:26:37 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000928131030.00b5be50@mail.netdoor.com> References: <003801c02976$7acfeaa0$72b3f5d0@computer> <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:17 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >The excuse that "way back when, not many people wanted to adopt counties" >doesn't wash now - there are plenty of folks who are researching in >counties who would love to CC - what's the deal? The SC wants to be able >to pick and choose his/her friends who will vote the right way, no matter >whether they have interest in the county or not, IMHO - or at least that >is how it seems to a lot of folks, apparently. Anyone have a way to >combat that??? I have never chosen a CC based on how they vote or think and none of the SC's I know at all do so, the primary qualifications are interest in the county and either some skills or sincere interest in acquiring the necessary skills. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 18:24:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28048 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22072 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0D7373C229; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f148.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.148]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A4B3C15E for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:24:44 -0700 Received: from 168.91.191.62 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:24:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [168.91.191.62] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Special Projects Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:44 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2000 22:24:44.0629 (UTC) FILETIME=[E728D850:01C0299A] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: If I am not mistaken, some mebers of the board are a part of these special projects. If so, the they voted twice when they should have voted once. Is that fair? Isn't that stuffing the deck so to speak? Esse >From: "Connie Bates" >Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net >To: >Subject: [ESC] Special Projects >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:43:04 -0400 > > > >The bylaws do not address the specifics of internal project elections, >so > > >as far as I know, each Special Projects and state project is free to > > >individually determine who may vote in their internal elections > >ARTICLE XIII. SPECIAL PROJECTS > >Section 3. The staff members of The USGenWeb Archives Project, The USGenWeb >Census Project, and The USGenWeb Tombstone Project shall each elect one >Special Project Representative to serve as a voting member of The USGenWeb >Project Advisory Board. >---------------------------- > >So - is the EC going to decide who is and who is not a staff member of >these >special projects? (Actually - I'd kinda *like* to know the whos and >whoisn'ts in these projects - how many staff members does it take to place >a >representative on the AB?) Exactly what functions of the election is going >to come under the umbrella of the EC? The way I read the By Laws (and I >may >be wrong) there is *no* control over any of the Special Projects by the >rest >of the USGenWeb Project - except that with a 2/3 vote of both the AB and >the >"project staff" the coordinator can be removed. > >Although I would like to see each of the SPs become more a part of the >greater USGenWeb Project rather than an autonomous entity, I am not >convinced that bringing their elections under the umbrella of the EC would >accomplish that. > >Connie > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 19:02:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA04185 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00116 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7D0C43C27E; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA7A3C1DF for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.5a.b4a6cb1 (4190) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.b4a6cb1.27052808@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:32 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I think for the most part, all SC's follow the rule that Ellen has outlined. I do in WI. I tell my CC's that: "This list is where we will discuss all matters having to do with the WIGenWeb Project. This list is our way to communicate with each other, and work together. All WIGenWeb Project volunteers are encouraged to use it for that purpose. It will not only answer a question that you may been struggling with, share a resource that will be beneficial to all, but serve as a tool for us all to work together.", and it works! I share the above to illustrate the importance of having a list with a specific purpose. I think a national, read-only, announce list for USGenWeb Project business would be a great way to communicate with volunteers, and every volunteer should be subscribed. But I also feel, that there has to be some mechanism of two-way communication between the committee(s) posting the announcement, and the volunteers. In WI, I maintain a database of my CC's and update it, as problems and or issues arise with email addresses or volunteer changes. I am usually ready, when election time rolls around with a list for the EC. The SC is an *important* liaison between, National, if you will, and the County level. Along with the cooperation of the SC, the task of maintaining a viable USGenWeb Project Volunteer database should not be difficult to set up, and maintain. Off to the many other emails of the day.. hope I don't have to eat my words .. rather have pie! Blueberry my favorite.. get busy Esse! Tina In a message dated 9/28/00 7:53:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, e.j.pack@worldnet.att.net writes: > I recall that, when SC, I sometimes had to make decisions as to what to > pass on to my CCs. I passed on probably 98% of what was put out, once in a > blue moon making an arbitrary decision because some topics just weren't > relevant to our state, or I felt the note was unfairly biased, etc. > > However, when it comes to elections, that's a different matter. The CCs > have a right to know everything they care to know, where to obtain > information, how/when to vote, etc. > > I agree with Holly - the first and most important step on the ladder is the > SC. At the same time, we're always asking a lot of the SCs. Also, being > summer, a SC may be out of town, and the ASC not sure what to do. > > If the SEC is maintaining a viable list of voters, it would be a relatively > easy task for the SEC to send out a few basic and timely announcement notes > to each voter. > > The first note could inform the voter of the upcoming election, time > frame, seats open, how voting will be accomplished, how to place names in > nomination, and how to get to the candidates pages, or any official > election page. > > A second note could notify members that voting has begun, how/where to > vote, a list of the candidates (and amendments if any), how to reach the > official election pages, and how/where to obtain voting help should help be > needed. > > A third reminder note could notify voters that only.....a > week?......remains, and reiterate the above subjects. > > Comments? Practical? Impractical? Would there be a need for a fourth > note notifying members of the results? > > Ellen > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 19:19:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06464 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03327 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1BC723C23D; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29D53C1FD for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01910 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:19:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928181430.00c87100@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:16:07 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928181949.00c14150@mail.bright.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20000928131030.00b5be50@mail.netdoor.com> <003801c02976$7acfeaa0$72b3f5d0@computer> <95.11ccf5e.2704dbe4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:26 PM 09/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:17 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>The excuse that "way back when, not many people wanted to adopt counties" >>doesn't wash now - there are plenty of folks who are researching in >>counties who would love to CC - what's the deal? The SC wants to be able >>to pick and choose his/her friends who will vote the right way, no >>matter whether they have interest in the county or not, IMHO - or at >>least that is how it seems to a lot of folks, apparently. Anyone have a >>way to combat that??? > >I have never chosen a CC based on how they vote or think and none of the >SC's I know at all do so, the primary qualifications are interest in the >county and either some skills or sincere interest in acquiring the >necessary skills. > >Holly Holly, I was not referring to the majority of good CCs - but look at the results that have come in to the survey and read some of the other mail the last few years - have you not seen reference to that happening? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 19:22:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06742 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03734 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C8C363C205; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1733C1B2 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port522.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.222]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03247 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:22:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000928181624.00b50100@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:18:23 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Correction - Re: [ESC] Re: Right To Vote Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:26 PM 09/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:17 PM 9/28/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >>The excuse that "way back when, not many people wanted to adopt counties" >>doesn't wash now - there are plenty of folks who are researching in >>counties who would love to CC - what's the deal? The SC wants to be able >>to pick and choose his/her friends who will vote the right way, no >>matter whether they have interest in the county or not, IMHO - or at >>least that is how it seems to a lot of folks, apparently. Anyone have a >>way to combat that??? > >I have never chosen a CC based on how they vote or think and none of the >SC's I know at all do so, the primary qualifications are interest in the >county and either some skills or sincere interest in acquiring the >necessary skills. > >Holly Holly, I was not referring to the majority of good SCs - but look at the results that have come in to the survey and read some of the other mail the last few years - have you not seen reference to that sort of thing apparently happening? Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ The supreme happiness in life is the conviction that we are loved. ~Victor Hugo~ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Thu Sep 28 19:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA07373 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04645 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2264F3C205; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552853C1B2 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.24.) id s.57.bc4b03b (4190) for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <57.bc4b03b.27052dcd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:09 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: SC problems To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 9/28/00 8:14:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > If we decide that ALL project members [excluding transcribers and lookup > volunteers] are eligible to vote, then this easier to deal with. But if > we are going to recommend that only 2 coordinators from any local unit are > eligible to vote this becomes more problematic. For instance consider the > large county that has 5 hardworking CCs, each of whom registers to vote. > Who does the EC contact to determine eligibility? The SC? If the SC > refuses to choose, then who? The EC? The Board? Teresa makes a good point. I certainly feel that "ALL project members [excluding transcribers and lookup volunteers] are eligible to vote". My reasons are twofold. Firstly, I have witnessed first hand the dedication and hard work, that multiple CC Counties can and do accomplish, and I would hate to have any of those individuals not participating in USGenWeb Project business if they so choose. Secondly, the by-laws certainly, at this time, clearly state " All members of The USGenWeb Project, e