From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 14:10:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17451 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25457 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 71F113C12B; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r19.mail.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47B43C122 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id s.cb.a80f183 (663) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:10:14 EDT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Programmer? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 12:09:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << Comments everyone - Please! >> Yes I think it's most necessary that the programmer is set up as a non-board\committee member. If we do develop our own software, I don't want to limit our resource pool to the members who might get elected or appointed. Fact is, there are tons of people outside and inside the project better than me. I'd hate for one of them to offer help and have to turn it down because it doesn't fit the rules. I don't know how many of you all write script. But we're an odd bunch. If I don't know how to get something done, a bunch of us will put our heads together and figure it collectively. I think the programmer, if we have that position, should be outside the committee, but under it's control. Sort of like a contract employee. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 14:19:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18513 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26991 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CC6863C12B; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FB73C122 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1107.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.207]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10695; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:19:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023125121.00c6da80@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:54:50 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Newer Draft Cc: esc@pairlist.net In-Reply-To: References: <39F479BF.55D8@efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Please add my name to the last two minority opinions, if there is not going to be a vote to establish that they are, in fact, minority opinions - though I do want to state again that IMHO whether or not they are, in fact, minority opinions should be determined by a vote - Am still mulling on minority opinion #1 - And please add my name to those wanting to thank you for all of your hard work, Teresa!! Carol C-H At 01:50 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, merope wrote: >http://www.radix.net/~merope/genealogy/escrepor.htm > >Haven't made Linda D's changes re: the database programmer yet because we >should talk about that more. > >-Teresa > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 14:37:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20901 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00990 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0B1CD3C13D; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E503C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1107.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.207]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27188; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023132346.00bd4700@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:33:24 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Eligibility of voters Cc: esc@pairlist.net In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 01:53 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, merope wrote: >Please take a look at paragraph 2 in this section. The part in blue was >added after a comment by either Carol or Connie, I believe. It says that >the regional reps and then the full AB will be responsible for ruling on a >challenged right to vote. > >My question is, does this addition to paragraph 2 negate the need for the >minority opinion that follows it? > >-Teresa Not to my way of thinking - IMHO, the paragraph in the MO should replace the one in the original - they are not the same at all - the MO does not mention the SC or PC. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 14:46:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21733 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02647 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8A4573C13D; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B010F3C121 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1107.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.207]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05081 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023133700.00bdfe30@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:42:18 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: Other thoughts Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: On second thought, I would like to see this put to a vote, and listed as a minority opinion, if it is such - reworded appropriately - I still feel strongly that at least a list of names of eligible voters, with no identifying e-address or specific county/project info, should be on the EC website, possibly even divided by states or designated "SP", for any and all CCs or SP volunteers to examine and see the listing of their name. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 15:14:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25309 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07800 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 757A83C128; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4A03C121 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1107.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.207]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27604 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:13:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023140926.00c8f410@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:09:54 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Eligibility of voters In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20001023132346.00bd4700@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:11 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > At 01:53 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, merope wrote: > > > >-Teresa > > Not to my way of thinking - IMHO, the paragraph in the MO should replace > > the one in the original - they are not the same at all - the MO does not > > mention the SC or PC. > >So the addition of the full AB as a final arbiter in challenges of voting >status does not accomplish the same thing as going straight to the AB >in these circumstances? > >-Teresa Not for me..... Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 15:33:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27484 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11461 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E556A3C146; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4DC3C13D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1107.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.207]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12005 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:32:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023142726.00c7e100@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:28:53 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinions In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20001023133700.00bdfe30@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Teresa - the reason I said that I would like for my last post to be a minority opinion is that Holly asked me onlist this morning if I wanted it to be listed that way - Carol At 03:25 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Perhaps we should discuss a bit what we mean by "minority opinion". > >In the vote on the mechanism ongoing right now, I count 8 votes for >"outside now, internal later" option, one vote for the "inside always" >option, and two votes for the "outside always" option [one person >essentially voted for the first two options so were counted in each]. > >Given that the "outside now, inside later" option is the majority opinion >[although it does not represent a majority of the 20 people on the >committee but only of the half who have voted], do the other two options >reach the level of "minority opinion"? > >In the situation where we have a vote and 11 people want one thing and 9 >people want the other thing, there we have good reason to have a minority >opinion. We are almost evenly divided on the issue and the Board and the >community should know that. If only one or two people want something >though, should that difference of opinion be accorded that same status in >our report? > >I'm not trying to start an argument here, or say anyone's opinions or >positions are not important or that voices shouldn't be heard. There are >several things in the report that I don't entirely agree with, but since >the majority of the committee approves of them I am not going to argue >with it. > >Is the ESC in agreement that one dissenting opinion is enough to warrant >a "minority opinion" or should we discuss this further or should we just >vote on the report paragraph by paragraph? [This might be the best thing >to do. I or Holly can easily split out the report into sections, and send >them out with a vote option of "accept as is" or "don't accept as is" with >comments. Any comments that don't constitute style suggestions or typo >corrections can be summmarized into minority opinions. Where minority >opinions have already been written they can be included as options for >voting.] > >-Teresa > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 15:35:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27804 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11869 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7F8223C17A; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A883C179 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-005.efn.org (pm3-005.efn.org [206.163.180.5]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9NJZVG12077 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39F49442.5CEC@efn.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:40:50 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Newer Draft References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Theresa, Please don't consider any typos as silly. You have done a masterful job. I couldn't have done what you have done with out a hundred revisions, and then it would have taken me several days to do what you have done in a few hours. I am honestly impressed with the quality of your work. John merope wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > Please add my name to the last two minority opinions, if there is not going > > to be a vote to establish that they are, in fact, minority opinions - > > though I do want to state again that IMHO whether or not they are, in fact, > > minority opinions should be determined by a vote - > > I agree, but I think whether or not we have a vote may depend on whether > or not the Board is expecting to get this report tomorrow. > > I guess Holly as chair will have to decide on whether or not to ask the > Board for a few more days to tie up loose ends. Of course, if the report > is not expected until Friday, this is not a problem > > I'll put your name in for those two MOs now, however. > > > > > And please add my name to those wanting to thank you for all of your hard > > work, Teresa!! > > > > You are all welcome. Just trying to save Holly some work. I greatly > appreciate all your comments, especially the ones that find my silly > typos. > > -Teresa > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 16:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01821 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18867 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DC82D3C14B; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263933C135 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23856 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03ba01c03d2d$566ed2a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Eligibility of voters Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:06:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Teresa Wrote: Please take a look at paragraph 2 in this section. The part in blue was added after a comment by either Carol or Connie, I believe. It says that the regional reps and then the full AB will be responsible for ruling on a challenged right to vote. My question is, does this addition to paragraph 2 negate the need for the minority opinion that follows it? My comment: Not in my opinion. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 16:11:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01835 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18885 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AAE533C166; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E0F3C14C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23306 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03bb01c03d2d$57b55c60$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Eligibility of voters Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:10:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: IMPO no it doesn't. I think that this type of thing should be given to the full AB in the first place and a decision needs to be made by them. I think they are the only people who should be involved. It will also cut down the time spent in making a decision. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Eligibility of voters > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > At 01:53 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, merope wrote: > > > >-Teresa > > Not to my way of thinking - IMHO, the paragraph in the MO should replace > > the one in the original - they are not the same at all - the MO does not > > mention the SC or PC. > > So the addition of the full AB as a final arbiter in challenges of voting > status does not accomplish the same thing as going straight to the AB > in these circumstances? > > -Teresa > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 11:35:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29449 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25850 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 51F303C139; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692703C128 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29682 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019101c03d06$d1818b80$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:29:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - duties #5 - e,f,g Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Item # 5 - e & f & g E: - Each regional voter list and communications should be maintained and managed by the two members chosen for/by that region. The national list should be managed and maintained by the two members chosen by the NC and At Large, and the SP voter list should be managed and maintained by the members chosen by the SP reps. My comment: The structure of the data base should be such that the lists will be generated as needed by the different groups. Therefore, can we change this to read?: My suggestion: Regional and special project voter information and communications shall be the responsibility of the committee member chosen from that particular region or the special projects. The production of all voter lists (regional, state, special project, or other voter lists) shall be the responsibility of the two members chosen by the NC and At Large Representative. ********* F: The regional and national members should manage communications with the state liaisons and/or the SC's, but the Publicist should maintain the web site and manage communications to the AB and to the project as a whole via the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists). My comment: Can we remove the .... should maintain the web site ... A person who can write code and manage it for a data base **normally** isn't the best person to handle PR . suggestions for this area are below And on the last line (once again we don't know what will work best when this thing gets underway so let's cut the person some slack and not lock them in.) My suggestion: .... via the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists) and by any other avenues deemed appropriate during day to day operations of the committee. *************** G: The ESC also recommends that the Publicist of the EC be responsible for maintaining a web site for the EC that shall include My Comments: As I said above usually a programmer doesn't make a good PR person so I would like to see item G changed to the suggestion below and also, once again, let's not lock the committee in, let's give them some leeway to make changes or additions as required during normal day to day operations. My suggestions: The ESC also recommends that the EC maintain a web site. The maintenance of the EC web page shall be the responsibility of the committee member(s) most capable of writing and/or maintaining the necessary coding of the voter records data base and web site in general. The ESC recommends that a link to this website be added to the National Webpage. The web site shall included, but not be limited to the following: Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 12:06:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03839 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01808 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A2C483C179; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BD13C143 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA31818 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 12:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01cc01c03d0b$0eac95a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <019101c03d06$d1818b80$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties #5 - e,f,g Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Drat It!!!! I hate it when I can't proofread my own writing! That last line should be: .......be added to the National Webpage. The web site shall include, but not be limited to the following: Include not included Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Haas Davenport To: Election Committee Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:29 AM Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - duties #5 - e,f,g > Item # 5 - e & f & g > > E: - Each regional voter list and communications should be maintained and > managed by the two members chosen for/by that region. The national list > should be managed and maintained by the two members chosen by the NC and At > Large, and the SP voter list should be managed and maintained by the members > chosen by the SP reps. > > > My comment: > The structure of the data base should be such that the lists will be > generated as needed by the different groups. Therefore, can we change this > to read?: > > My suggestion: > > Regional and special project voter information and communications shall be > the responsibility of the committee member chosen from that particular > region or the special projects. The production of all voter lists (regional, > state, special project, or other voter lists) shall be the responsibility > of the two members chosen by the NC and At Large Representative. > > ********* > > F: The regional and national members should manage communications with the > state liaisons and/or the SC's, but the Publicist should maintain the web > site and manage communications to the AB and to the project as a whole via > the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists). > > My comment: > Can we remove the .... should maintain the web site ... A person > who can write code and manage it for a data base **normally** isn't the best > person to handle PR . suggestions for this area are below > > And on the last line (once again we don't know what will work best when this > thing gets underway so let's cut the person some slack and not lock them > in.) > > My suggestion: > .... via the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists) and > by any other avenues deemed appropriate during day to day operations of the > committee. > > > *************** > > G: The ESC also recommends that the Publicist of the EC be responsible for > maintaining a web site for the EC that shall include > > > My Comments: > As I said above usually a programmer doesn't make a good PR > person so I would like to see item G changed to the suggestion below and > also, once again, let's not lock the committee in, let's give them some > leeway to make changes or additions as required during normal day to day > operations. > > > My suggestions: > The ESC also recommends that the EC maintain a web site. The maintenance of > the EC web page shall be the responsibility of the committee member(s) most > capable of writing and/or maintaining the necessary coding of the voter > records data base and web site in general. The ESC recommends that a link to > this website be added to the National Webpage. The web site shall included, > but not be limited to the following: > > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 16:58:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07443 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28545 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4FFC93C19B; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7D73C11F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14881 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <044201c03d33$ee714140$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinions-lengthly answer Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:47:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: For the software thing it's pretty straightforward - chose 1,2 or 3. IMO it would be best to list all three items and the number of votes each item received. Teresa Wrote: > I'm not trying to start an argument here, or say anyone's opinions or > positions are not important or that voices shouldn't be heard. There are > several things in the report that I don't entirely agree with, but since > the majority of the committee approves of them I am not going to argue > with it. I also have things I would like to have differently that I agreed to. I only asked for mine to be made on those that I feel very strongly about. I also thought that if I put my opinion into a formal format then other people would have the option of agreeing with me should they so desire. In all the welter of e-mails it is sometimes hard to remember what you want or don't want. Since the two or three I posted are extremely important to me (even if to no one else) I want them included. I would assume that there are other people who feel the same. The way you have them listed with the names certainly will allow anyone see if only one person held that opinion or if other's did also. Another thing is that until you posted the web page it was really hard to read the recommendations in its entirety and really give thought to the entire report, how things fit together, where one item was in conflict with another and not just the bits and pieces that we have been discussing. The one thing that "jumped out" at me when I read the whole web page, that I had missed before, was in how many places we had locked the committee into something. We have all tried our dammest to make this the best set of recommendations we could, but until the committee actually gets into operation and runs into problems no one knows if what we have recommended will end up being the best way. So everywhere I found us locking the committee into something I tried to modify it a bit to give them some freedom in the future. I don't think these things should be "minority opinions" just modifications to give the committee flexibility - but if they can't be added then I will ask that they be included as a minority opinion because I think flexibility to handle things that will come up in the future is critical to the future success of the SEC. And as I said before, you can bet your bottom dollar that if the SEC deviates one iota from what is written they will drawn & quartered. If we give them some freedom that won't happen. Teresa Wrote: > Is the ESC in agreement that one dissenting opinion is enough to warrant > a "minority opinion" or should we discuss this further or should we just > vote on the report paragraph by paragraph? [This might be the best thing > to do. I or Holly can easily split out the report into sections, and send > them out with a vote option of "accept as is" or "don't accept as is" with > comments. Any comments that don't constitute style suggestions or typo > corrections can be summmarized into minority opinions. Where minority > opinions have already been written they can be included as options for > voting.] I would like to see a vote on each paragraph/section and let a vote be taken. As you pointed out only about half the committee has voted on the software question and I'm not sure that even half of the committee has been involved in the majority of our discussions, even to the point of agreeing or disagreeing but maybe I'm wrong. Whether the number of votes gets added to the report or not will be something that has to be decided. We wouldn't want the AB to throw the report out because only half the committee voted Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 16:58:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07461 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28559 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6959F3C19D; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C963C19C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust67.tnt2.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.17.67]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08650 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <044301c03d33$f01c8040$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:53:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Time running out Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Chip Wrote: I agree with Carol on this. I'd rather deadlock than send out something premature. In my opinion this has been one of the ongoing problems with our project. It took us several years to get to this point and now we're going to discuss and fix it in a few weeks. This is way too much to read through and classify things as majority or minority in a few days. I just downloaded the transcript and it's opened my eyes to some points I missed. I say we ask for more time, we're too close to something good to screw it up because time ran out. My comment: I strongly agree with Chip especially asking for more time if we need it. I see no reason the AB shouldn't give it to us. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 17:43:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12322 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06956 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A73A33C149; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F683C12F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023214324.INDY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:43:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023174632.00c5c3b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:49:32 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, "Election Committee" From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - tenure In-Reply-To: <008501c03cf3$16ba4700$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 08:01 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >3. Tenure of the subCommittee: >(quoting form the draft report) >"... The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. >If members are willing to serve additional terms, they should be allowed >to do so." > >Linda's Comments: >I am not comfortable with the last line. I can see where a committee could >get to the point that there were no new members or changes. perhaps this would read better as: "The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. If members are willing to serve additional terms, they should be eligible to do so." the use of the word allowed could be read to mean remaining in the position... eligible more clearly states that they *may* be re-selected within the regular procedure for member selection which is I think what was intended. Holly >My suggestion: >Remove the last line .... If members ..... so that the recommendation ends >with - The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. > >This will leave it open as to whether a current member will be chosen to >serve an additional term. > >************* > >[If a member of the EC is not performing his/her duties on the EC or is >disruptive of the EC's business, the EC may petition the Advisory Board >via the NC and/or the At Large Representative for replacement of that >member by a new volunteer.] > >My Comment: >The above is rather vague and does not leave any opening for the resolution >of a dispute should one arise and I'm uncomfortable with the word >"disruptive". > >My suggestion: > >[If in the opinion of the majority of SEC members a committee member is not >performing his/her duties, the SEC may petition the Advisory Board via the >NC and/or At Large Representative for replacement of that member by a new >volunteer. Such petition shall state the reason(s) for the request for >replacement. In the event of any dispute involving the replacement of a >member the AB as a whole shall consider the issue and make a final >determination.] > > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 17:59:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13798 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09636 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 943AA3C177; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83CA3C126 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11480 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023165429.00baf650@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:55:04 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - tenure In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023174632.00c5c3b0@mail.bright.net> References: <008501c03cf3$16ba4700$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I think there should definitely be a one-term limit. Carol At 05:49 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:01 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >>3. Tenure of the subCommittee: >>(quoting form the draft report) >>"... The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. >>If members are willing to serve additional terms, they should be allowed >>to do so." >> >>Linda's Comments: >>I am not comfortable with the last line. I can see where a committee could >>get to the point that there were no new members or changes. > >perhaps this would read better as: >"The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. If members are >willing to serve additional terms, they should be eligible to do so." > >the use of the word allowed could be read to mean remaining in the >position... eligible more clearly states that they *may* be re-selected >within the regular procedure for member selection which is I think what >was intended. > >Holly > > > >>My suggestion: >>Remove the last line .... If members ..... so that the recommendation ends >>with - The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. >> >>This will leave it open as to whether a current member will be chosen to >>serve an additional term. >> >>************* >> >>[If a member of the EC is not performing his/her duties on the EC or is >>disruptive of the EC's business, the EC may petition the Advisory Board >>via the NC and/or the At Large Representative for replacement of that >>member by a new volunteer.] >> >>My Comment: >>The above is rather vague and does not leave any opening for the resolution >>of a dispute should one arise and I'm uncomfortable with the word >>"disruptive". >> >>My suggestion: >> >>[If in the opinion of the majority of SEC members a committee member is not >>performing his/her duties, the SEC may petition the Advisory Board via the >>NC and/or At Large Representative for replacement of that member by a new >>volunteer. Such petition shall state the reason(s) for the request for >>replacement. In the event of any dispute involving the replacement of a >>member the AB as a whole shall consider the issue and make a final >>determination.] >> >> >>Linda >> >>lhaasdav@mindspring.com >>Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >>Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >>List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:40:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17783 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16778 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 56AA63C12F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFC73C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023224051.KGRB425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:40:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023184110.00bfb4a0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:00 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, "Election Committee" From: Holly Timm In-Reply-To: <019101c03d06$d1818b80$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] voter list software issue Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Here is where I think we are micromanaging... whether the lists are produced via spreadsheets or a database or sorting in a word processor is immaterial and to place higher technical qualifications in the nature of database management on the SEC is a considerable obstacle to SEC membership for many. However they do it is not important, all that they have to do is come up with regional, national and SP eligible voter lists and manage and maintain them. I am conversant will all three (spreadsheet, database and word processing programs -- several brands of each) and personally I think I would use a spreadsheet approach in order to simplify accessibility and maintenance by the majority of the probable volunteer members but I don't think we shoudl dictate that choice either. At 10:29 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >My comment: >The structure of the data base should be such that the lists will be >generated as needed by the different groups. Therefore, can we change this >to read?: > >My suggestion: > >Regional and special project voter information and communications shall be >the responsibility of the committee member chosen from that particular >region or the special projects. The production of all voter lists (regional, >state, special project, or other voter lists) shall be the responsibility >of the two members chosen by the NC and At Large Representative. > >********* > >F: The regional and national members should manage communications with the >state liaisons and/or the SC's, but the Publicist should maintain the web >site and manage communications to the AB and to the project as a whole via >the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists). > >My comment: >Can we remove the .... should maintain the web site ... A person >who can write code and manage it for a data base **normally** isn't the best >person to handle PR . suggestions for this area are below > >And on the last line (once again we don't know what will work best when this >thing gets underway so let's cut the person some slack and not lock them >in.) > >My suggestion: >.... via the main lists (-ALL, -Discuss, -CC-L, SC list, regional lists) and >by any other avenues deemed appropriate during day to day operations of the >committee. > > >*************** > >G: The ESC also recommends that the Publicist of the EC be responsible for >maintaining a web site for the EC that shall include > > >My Comments: >As I said above usually a programmer doesn't make a good PR >person so I would like to see item G changed to the suggestion below and >also, once again, let's not lock the committee in, let's give them some >leeway to make changes or additions as required during normal day to day >operations. > > >My suggestions: >The ESC also recommends that the EC maintain a web site. The maintenance of >the EC web page shall be the responsibility of the committee member(s) most >capable of writing and/or maintaining the necessary coding of the voter >records data base and web site in general. The ESC recommends that a link to >this website be added to the National Webpage. The web site shall included, >but not be limited to the following: > > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:44:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17999 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17508 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 27F163C12F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED723C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023224420.KJGY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:44:20 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023184722.00bf4440@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:28 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, Election Committee From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: In-Reply-To: References: <017601c03d04$370df900$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 11:34 AM 10/23/00 -0400, merope wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > My comment: Can we remove the .... should maintain the web site ... A > person > > who can write code and manage it for a data base **normally** isn't the > best > > person to handle PR . Instead see my above comment about the web page. I see no problem then with having a third position for which the SEC chooses one of its members to handle... webmaster but where do we get "write code and manage it for a database" in regards to the SEC web site? >I originally thought of the position that Holly eventually called the >"Publicist" as a "Secretary" who would be responsible for writing the >quarterly and post election reports, maintaining the web page, either >responding to communications from the members or forwarding them to the >proper EC member for response, etc. I still think it would be better to >call this position a Secretary rather than a Publicist. I can spring for the compromise here: Secretary-Publicist which emphasizes the communication with the public as a whole, not just replying to mail Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:47:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18354 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17998 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 62F793C13F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497983C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023224658.KLAW425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:46:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185206.00be86d0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:53:07 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: In-Reply-To: <01cd01c03d0b$10503380$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 10:50 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >I was not worrying about what the person was called or any of their duties >except the maintenance of the web page itself. I know what it will take to >write and maintain the code for the data base for the site. Normally >programmers are not very outgoing social people and most of the time they >make rotten PR/secretary folks. I would like to see the most capable and >knowledgeable software person(s) responsible for the web site and not >responsible for the other duties listed. I'm totally lost... what database for the website? _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:47:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18394 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18092 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3345A3C172; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2753C13F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023224732.KLLB425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:47:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185327.00bfa9b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:53:41 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? In-Reply-To: <01cf01c03d0b$13c84340$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: agree absolutely At 10:53 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Teresa wrote: > >This is tangential to this issue, but should we add a statement that >state-level voting restrictions do not apply in national level elections? >I imagine that there are states out there that have limited the number of >co-CCs who can vote in state-wide elections, but IMO that should have no >bearing on who can vote in national elections. > >My comment: >Thanks for coming up with this. It is important and none of us have thought >about it. I believe it should be added. > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:50:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18654 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18640 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 56F6C3C12F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9457F3C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023225045.KOBH425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185447.00bd8350@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:53 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] thought - about a problem In-Reply-To: <01d001c03d0b$15305ec0$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yet another reason why restricting the method for maintaining the voter rolls to a database instead of whatever method the SEC feels comfortable working with could be a problem.... At 11:05 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >The only thought that comes to mind: What happens if a committee ends up >with NO programmer to maintain the data base software? We've left no room >anywhere for the EC to pull in a programmer for help should it be necessary. >Knowing how people will yell and scream if the committee pushes one toe >outside of the "written" rules shouldn't we make some kind of provision for >the EC to have a non-committee member work on the software for the data >base? Or perhaps add a 13th slot that can only be filled with a programmer? >Maybe that might be the best solution. But somehow there must be a provision >for a programmer to maintain or add/change things in the data base because >none of know how the web or the project will change over time. > >Comments everyone - Please! > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:52:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18832 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18928 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6D0D83C13F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C68D3C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023225253.KPKW425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:52:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185732.00bf7bd0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:59:02 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: In-Reply-To: References: <01cd01c03d0b$10503380$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:06 PM 10/23/00 -0400, merope wrote: >I have no problem with having the Secretary be responsible for coding a >webpage and this should be included in the criteria by which the EC >members select their Secretary. But you are right about the database >coding; that should be left to the person[s] on the committee best able to >do it. > >Which brings up another issue. What if there are no volunteers on the EC >capable of doing this? see my previous messages on this database software issue >-Teresa > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:55:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19007 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19273 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 83D0E3C13F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC263C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023225504.KQVP425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185948.00e16810@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:01:13 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] thought - about a problem In-Reply-To: References: <01d001c03d0b$15305ec0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:12 PM 10/23/00 -0400, merope wrote: >Its already been changed to reflect the "only one consecutive term on the >committee" wording. I'm happy with this compromise; hope y'all are too! > ya beat me to the punch on the compromise > > The only thought that comes to mind: What happens if a committee ends up > > with NO programmer to maintain the data base software? We've left no room > > anywhere for the EC to pull in a programmer for help should it be > necessary. > >Ah, great minds think alike. [see previous email message] > > > Knowing how people will yell and scream if the committee pushes one toe > > outside of the "written" rules shouldn't we make some kind of provision for > > the EC to have a non-committee member work on the software for the data > > base? Or perhaps add a 13th slot that can only be filled with a programmer? > > Maybe that might be the best solution. But somehow there must be a > provision > > for a programmer to maintain or add/change things in the data base because > > none of know how the web or the project will change over time. > >The only problem I can see with a programmer who is a non-committee member >is one of confidentiality. And of course, if we have one who is a >committee member, the term limit thingie kicks in and we'll lose them in >two years. > >-Teresa > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 18:56:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19168 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19508 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EF8053C12D; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF0A3C121 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023225610.KRQA425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:56:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190135.00bf18c0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:02:19 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 01:13 PM 10/23/00 -0400, merope wrote: > > Maintaining code for a database and maintaining code for a webpage are two > > different things. I can code a webpage but could not do the work for a > > database. You could probably say the same thing about most people in > > USGW. > >Let me clarify this. I can code a web page. I can make a database. But >I can't make a database work on a web page. I'm about the same place although I understand the basics of the how to, it would take me a good long while to get a simple one working >-Teresa > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:10:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20268 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22229 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 753CF3C190; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF2B3C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023231042.LDXO425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:10:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:16:51 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... I think it is possible to be complete by next Tuesday (the 31st) and something about turning it in on Halloween tickles my fancy. As important as getting it right is, we can also fine tune it to death. Please vote on the following (and then read my additional comment below) Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES or NO Comment: Please take a moment to reflect on your minority opinions* --- some of them are excellent and definitely need inclusion but if we take minority opinions too far (as in too many) we will have a hodge podge instead of a cohesive set of recommendations with *some* alternative opinions. Please consider whether or not it is an important issue or if you can live with the majority opinion. You can express some disagreements without requesting its inclusion as a minority opinion. Also, if we have to vote on every line, we will be here until the next election... yes, there are sections and even lines that need either clear consensus or actual vote but there are others that its pretty clear how we feel and it isn't hyper-critical... like whether the position is called Secretary or Publicist or the proposed compromise Secretary-Publicist... I don't think we need a vote or a minority opinion on that one, do any of you? (In other words let's throw in a dash of common sense here) Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:15:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20720 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22931 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2622D3C1A3; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8CA3C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023231526.LHKF425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192030.00be8c20@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:21:34 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20001023180820.00c1bd50@mail.netdoor.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: by the way... as soon as I get 11 yes votes (simple majority) for asking for an extension, I will post to the Board requesting it. At 06:08 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >At 07:16 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>Should we request an extension until October 31st? >> YES > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:20:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21154 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23626 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 59D0E3C1A4; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906103C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023231956.LKSM425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:26:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Please vote: 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever if re-selected every two years) 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) is permissable if re-selected 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected the following year(s) for a vacant two year term 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:32:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22383 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25838 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7F1AA3C199; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86803C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.163.41]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001023233230.ZQNP5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:32:30 +0000 Message-ID: <027101c03d49$170e3d50$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192030.00be8c20@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT > by the way... as soon as I get 11 yes votes (simple majority) for asking > for an extension, I will post to the Board requesting it. > > At 06:08 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: > >At 07:16 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >>Should we request an extension until October 31st? > >> YES > > > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Esc mailing list > >Esc@pairlist.net > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:36:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22653 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26231 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8FC3F3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE73C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.163.41]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001023233600.ZROJ5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: <029701c03d49$94463570$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Huh? Does #3 mean that they can serve 2 terms in a row and then be reselected? Where is the one for 1 term, wait for 1 term, then can be reselected? > 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever > if re-selected every two years) > 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) > is permissable if re-selected > 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected > the following year(s) for a vacant two year term > 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:38:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22883 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26549 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4E5823C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7323C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023233756.LZCY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:37:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194234.033f4c80@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:44:04 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:23 PM 10/23/00 -0400, merope wrote: >On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Holly Timm wrote: > > 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) > > is permissable if re-selected > > 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected > > the following year(s) for a vacant two year term >3, if by this you mean someone can serve one two year term, but then has >to skip a year before they are re-appointed. no, it is real close to 2 but specifies that they may serve again after having served two two year terms but not consecutively. >[otherwise 2 and 3 seem identical, but maybe my blood sugar is just low >right now ] > >-Teresa > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:38:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22916 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26642 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D2A1C3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089833C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAB21946 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:38:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023183255.00cb8b40@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:34:25 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I am confused - please clarify - #2 apparently has one consecutive term defined as (two terms in a row) - where is the option for a one-term limit? Carol At 07:26 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Please vote: > > 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever > if re-selected every two years) > 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) > is permissable if re-selected > 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected > the following year(s) for a vacant two year term > 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:41:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23087 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26958 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2687F3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3833C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023234037.MBFM425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194601.03300bf0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:46:46 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE In-Reply-To: <029701c03d49$94463570$0201a8c0@connie> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:32 PM 10/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >Huh? > >Does #3 mean that they can serve 2 terms in a row and then be reselected? not until a year has passed >Where is the one for 1 term, wait for 1 term, then can be reselected? #3 is wait for one year... (i.e., until next selection period as the terms are staggered) > > 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever > > if re-selected every two years) > > 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) > > is permissable if re-selected > > 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected > > the following year(s) for a vacant two year term > > 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:41:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23120 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27130 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A1DEB3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4453C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023234128.MBYT425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194704.033017f0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:47:36 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - OOPs In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20001023183255.00cb8b40@mail.netdoor.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Ok... I'm gonna re-try this with a fresh email At 06:34 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol C-H wrote: >I am confused - please clarify - #2 apparently has one consecutive term >defined as (two terms in a row) - where is the option for a one-term limit? > >Carol > >At 07:26 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>Please vote: >> >> 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever >> if re-selected every two years) >> 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) >> is permissable if re-selected >> 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected >> the following year(s) for a vacant two year term >> 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > >Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:49:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23917 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28519 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4AAD73C12F; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.142]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3583C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:49:15 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.122 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:49:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.122] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:49:15 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2000 23:49:15.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA1F74B0:01C03D4B] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:50:06 -0500 And I also think that Secretary would be a more realistic and acceptable term than PR. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Election Committee Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > > > My comment: Can we remove the .... should maintain the web site ... A person > > who can write code and manage it for a data base **normally** isn't the best > > person to handle PR . Instead see my above comment about the web page. > > I originally thought of the position that Holly eventually called the > "Publicist" as a "Secretary" who would be responsible for writing the > quarterly and post election reports, maintaining the web page, either > responding to communications from the members or forwarding them to the > proper EC member for response, etc. I still think it would be better to > call this position a Secretary rather than a Publicist. > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24449 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29390 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B3BAB3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164B3C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.67.b346b6f (7381) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <67.b346b6f.272629db@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:55:07 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:11:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO Yes. Still reading... so I can address all intelligently... Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:01:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24995 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00533 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 524C73C1A8; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f298.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.173]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D383C1A0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:01:47 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.122 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:01:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.122] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - tenure Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:47 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 00:01:47.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A34EDB0:01C03D4D] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Ditto!! ----Original Message Follows---- From: Carol C-H Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - tenure Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:55:04 -0500 I think there should definitely be a one-term limit. Carol At 05:49 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >At 08:01 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >>3. Tenure of the subCommittee: >>(quoting form the draft report) >>"... The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. >>If members are willing to serve additional terms, they should be allowed >>to do so." >> >>Linda's Comments: >>I am not comfortable with the last line. I can see where a committee could >>get to the point that there were no new members or changes. > >perhaps this would read better as: >"The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. If members are >willing to serve additional terms, they should be eligible to do so." > >the use of the word allowed could be read to mean remaining in the >position... eligible more clearly states that they *may* be re-selected >within the regular procedure for member selection which is I think what >was intended. > >Holly > > > >>My suggestion: >>Remove the last line .... If members ..... so that the recommendation ends >>with - The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. >> >>This will leave it open as to whether a current member will be chosen to >>serve an additional term. >> >>************* >> >>[If a member of the EC is not performing his/her duties on the EC or is >>disruptive of the EC's business, the EC may petition the Advisory Board >>via the NC and/or the At Large Representative for replacement of that >>member by a new volunteer.] >> >>My Comment: >>The above is rather vague and does not leave any opening for the >>resolution >>of a dispute should one arise and I'm uncomfortable with the word >>"disruptive". >> >>My suggestion: >> >>[If in the opinion of the majority of SEC members a committee member is >>not >>performing his/her duties, the SEC may petition the Advisory Board via the >>NC and/or At Large Representative for replacement of that member by a new >>volunteer. Such petition shall state the reason(s) for the request for >>replacement. In the event of any dispute involving the replacement of a >>member the AB as a whole shall consider the issue and make a final >>determination.] >> >> >>Linda >> >>lhaasdav@mindspring.com >>Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >>Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >>List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Esc mailing list >>Esc@pairlist.net >>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:01:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25013 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00547 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2D4703C1A8; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA143C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.8e.c158965 (7381) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.c158965.27262b6a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:01:46 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:51:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > Column A > 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) > 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) > 3. only one term > > Column B > a. never be re-selected > b. re-selected after one year > c. re-selected after two years > God bless ya Holly! 3b. Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:04:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25294 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01033 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C79DD3C16E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f234.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.234]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09353C143 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:04:24 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.122 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:04:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.122] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:04:23 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 00:04:24.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[F78DDEE0:01C03D4D] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: The voter list, Holly. Esse ----Original Message Follows---- From: Holly Timm Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net, Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:53:07 -0500 At 10:50 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >I was not worrying about what the person was called or any of their duties >except the maintenance of the web page itself. I know what it will take to >write and maintain the code for the data base for the site. Normally >programmers are not very outgoing social people and most of the time they >make rotten PR/secretary folks. I would like to see the most capable and >knowledgeable software person(s) responsible for the web site and not >responsible for the other duties listed. I'm totally lost... what database for the website? _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25548 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01497 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D1A1B3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.119]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022D93C143 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:07:56 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.122 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:07:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.122] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] HALLOWEEN Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:07:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 00:07:56.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[76092C70:01C03D4E] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: YES! Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES or NO _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 20:02:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25182 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00750 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024000250.MSUL425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:02:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023195825.032f5b00@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:08:58 -0500 To: merope@Radix.Net From: Holly Timm Subject: Opinion re:ESC Time Extension Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A Getting the wording ready and need to run it by someone not verbally challenged... how does this sound? The Election Study Committee respectfully requests an extension of time for the preparation of their report until October 31st, 2000. It was deemed due either 10/24 or 10/27 depending on whether one interpreted the six week deadline as beginning when the motion was passed or when the formation of the committee was completed but the excellent and thoughtful discussion on the committee has not made finalizing the details and wording a speedy task. From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:10:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25684 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01710 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 87E803C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f299.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.174]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B201D3C143 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:09:57 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.122 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 00:09:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.122] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2000 00:09:57.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDF4E2E0:01C03D4E] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) is permissable if re-selected _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:10:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25713 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01758 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A336A3C1A8; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD25E3C1A0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.75.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01910 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007b01c03d4e$b14b0100$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:51:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes to the 31st Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT > PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. > > Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, > we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline > (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of > formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have > since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... >>>>> snipped <<<<< _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:10:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25766 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01841 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F0EE43C1A0; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3A3C1AE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.75.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA12703 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007d01c03d4e$b3289aa0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:54:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected the following year(s) for a vacant two year term Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25776 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01864 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EF2AD3C143; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D9B3C1B0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.75.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01898 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007e01c03d4e$b3f20520$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <017601c03d04$370df900$0200a8c0@Linda> <4.3.2.7.2.20001023184722.00bf4440@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:59:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly Wrote: I see no problem then with having a third position for which the SEC chooses one of its members to handle... webmaster but where do we get "write code and manage it for a database" in regards to the SEC web site? Linda Writes: To write and maintain a data base that will handle the voter records and not have multiple lists / tables / whatever to try to maintain and to avoid any duplications like we have in the last elections. I really don't care who handles the web site - just whoever is capable and willing on the committee. I don't want us to lock that to the "secretary" because in the future that might not work out the best. I'm striving for some kind of flexibility for the future. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:11:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25795 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01886 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 14F4C3C143; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F353C1B3 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.75.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27378 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007f01c03d4e$b5063440$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023184110.00bfb4a0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] voter list software issue Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:07:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Don't mean to be micromanaging, but the way I read this sections said that the different reps would maintain the voter records and the list for their area - to me this seems to be setting up and maintaining separate lists of voter records. If the SEC ever tries to combine these into one cohesive data base the way it is worded will not allow that. And this will lead to duplication problems just like it has done in the past. I want to see one committee not several committees under one umbrella. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; Election Committee Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: [ESC] voter list software issue > Here is where I think we are micromanaging... whether the lists are > produced via spreadsheets or a database or sorting in a word processor is > immaterial and to place higher technical qualifications in the nature of > database management on the SEC is a considerable obstacle to SEC membership > for many. However they do it is not important, all that they have to do is > come up with regional, national and SP eligible voter lists and manage and > maintain them. > > I am conversant will all three (spreadsheet, database and word processing > programs -- several brands of each) and personally I think I would use a > spreadsheet approach in order to simplify accessibility and maintenance by > the majority of the probable volunteer members but I don't think we shoudl > dictate that choice either. > > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25809 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01908 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 159A53C143; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932573C1B6 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.136.75.dlls.grid.net [63.52.136.75]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11060 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008001c03d4e$b655e5c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023185206.00be86d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:07:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: One to hold the voter records. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - duties: > At 10:50 AM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: > >I was not worrying about what the person was called or any of their duties > >except the maintenance of the web page itself. I know what it will take to > >write and maintain the code for the data base for the site. Normally > >programmers are not very outgoing social people and most of the time they > >make rotten PR/secretary folks. I would like to see the most capable and > >knowledgeable software person(s) responsible for the web site and not > >responsible for the other duties listed. > > I'm totally lost... what database for the website? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:11:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25823 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01933 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C5CDE3C1AE; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0763C1A0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27128 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bf01c03d4e$77f719c0$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <006c01c03cee$d05b47e0$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Comm report draft - Duties of SEC #1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I prefer Linda's last line here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: [ESC] Comm report draft - Duties of SEC #1 > > B. Duties of the committee > > 1. The ESC unanimously recommends that the standing Election subCommittee > conduct all national level elections for Advisory Board Representatives, > including elections for National Coordinator, Representative At Large, > Regional SC and LC Representatives, Special Project Representatives, and > votes on Bylaws Amendments as well as any elections required by future > bylaws revisions > > > My Comments: > The bottom line got by me before so this is a question. Should we limit the > SEC to ".... as well as any elections required by future bylaws revisions" ? > > Perhaps this should read " .... and any other national elections as shall be > held from time to time" > > We don't know what issues may be called to a vote in the future so IMO we > should leave the door open for the SEC to handle such elections. > > > > > > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25831 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01962 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 165D23C1A8; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D3D3C1A9 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27122 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00be01c03d4e$771e6d00$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <5e.23fbc07.2724f829@aol.com><008e01c03c98$f4b28690$0201a8c0@connie> <4.3.2.7.2.20001023070038.00bd5460@mail.bright.net> <005701c03cea$8a163960$0200a8c0@Linda> <00e001c03cec$bd516370$0201a8c0@connie> Subject: Re: [ESC] Always outside? please vote Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: C. Initially an outside source with long term development of our own _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:11:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25857 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02055 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4824B3C1A0; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A943C1AC for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27133 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c001c03d4e$78e21600$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <006b01c03cee$ce4b53a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Comm report draft - Duties of SEC #2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:45:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Truly only something an old English major would ask . . . Please correct the spelling from "ensure" to "insure." Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: [ESC] Comm report draft - Duties of SEC #2 > The first order of business of the election committee is the compiling of > a current voter list. They shall request the list(s) of eligible voters > from the last election and current voter lists from each SC and SPC. The > resulting voter list will be maintained on a Regional basis, a Special > project basis, and a National basis. The regional voter lists will ensure > that all duplicate entries (those that have multiple counties, townships > or work in different states within the region) are combined into one voter > record. The national list (formed by combining the regional and special > project lists) will ensure that all duplicate entries (those that have > counties, townships or work in different regions) are combined into one > voter record and that those eligible both as a state or county coordinator > and as a special project worker vote only once for National Coordinator > and Representative at Large. > > > My comments: > With the above we are locking the SEC into having to maintain several > different data bases when it should actually be only one. The software for > the data file should allow the production of a list for a specific > region/state and also hold the information on where/what a volunteer can > vote. > > My suggestion is: > The first order of business of the election committee is the compiling of > a current voter list. The SEC shall request the list(s) of eligible voters > from the last election and current voter lists from each SC and SPC. All > duplicate entries (i.e. volunteers who work in more than one state, region > or position) from the above specified lists shall be combined into one voter > record. These voter records shall be maintained in a data base capable of > producing reports sorted by regional basis, special project basis, state > basis, national basis or other breakdown as may be deemed necessary in the > future.The voter record shall also be structured so as to contain > information on all areas/issues in which the individual voter is eligible to > vote. > > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25871 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02167 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DAA093C1A9; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79383C1B0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27153 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c101c03d4e$7a429060$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Although I sure hate to get into ways someone can be "removed" I do think it's probably a better approach than imposing term limits. Terms limits such as two terms (four years) could mean that an inappropriate person would be around for that long. So, with an empty brain for another suggestion, I'd go with Teresa's #3 below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? > > We can > > 1) say no more than one term > 2) say no more than one [or two] consecutive terms in any position [I mean > this to say that if a person serves two consecutive terms as a SW/SC rep > on the committee, they cannot then serve two more consecutive terms as > NW/P rep] > 3) say "no term limits" and strengthen the EC's and the Board's ability to > remove committee members for cause [ie, specify the causes for which > someone can be removed, the procedures to follow in removal. We can for > example, say people can be removed for failing to respond to email, > behaving unprofessionally toward project members, failing to perform the > duties of the EC, etc. We can say the EC members can vote [straight > majority] to remove a member and the AB and EC together should select a > replacement member, who cannot be the person just removed.] > > Give me ideas. > > -Teresa > > > > Carol C-H > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25891 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02212 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AF8C63C1B6; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2E03C1B3 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27160 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c201c03d4e$7b2d8ca0$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <008401c03cf3$156c1c20$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - formation of committee Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:58:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Again, I like Linda's revision here. But will someone please tell me what a "LC" is? OK, I think I just figured it out: local coordinator. But, this isn't the usual way of referring to "cc's" in the Project. So, since LC could cause some head-scratching, please spell it out instead of using an abbreviation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:43 AM Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - formation of committee > 2. Formation of the subCommittee: > > Advisory Board members representing each region (normally one SC > representative and two LC representatives) will select two people from a > pool of eligible voters within their region who volunteer to serve on the > EC. The Special Projects Board members will likewise select two people > from eligible voters within the Special Projects who volunteer to serve. > At large members of the EC will be selected by the National Coordinator > and the Representative at Large, who will each select one individual to > serve as as "members at large" from a pool of eligible voters from any > part of the project who volunteer to serve. [The ESC recommends that the > Board members solicit for volunteers using State or Special Project > mailing lists and the regional mailing lists.] Once the proposed > membership of the EC is complete, the Advisory Board shall vote to accept > the entire slate of proposed members > > My comments: > Once again I don't think we should not tie anyone hands. By the above we are > eliminating broadcast e-mail, personal e-mails from the AB member, the 3 CC > list and maybe other means that I can't think of at the moment. So perhaps > ...... > > [The ESC recommends that the Board members solicit for volunteers using > State, Special Project, Regional mail lists and any other means that the AB > members feel to be useful in reaching the largest number of project > members.] > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25905 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02230 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 722B73C1AC; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390803C1B7 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (208-149-44-184.dial-up.ipa.net [208.149.44.184]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA27165 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:14:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c301c03d4e$7c27cb20$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Silly question RE: our deadline Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:06:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Obviously, we aren't done. We are now working out the details: the wording, getting the minority opinions on the report, etc., These are all items which I believe to be critically important to the success of the report. To scrunch these things, or ignore or leave them out, just to meet an arbitrary deadline would be self-defeating to all our hard work. So, I think just a note to some of the lists or the AB/NC saying that we are in the final stages, but we aren't quite done yet, and we'll be done when we're done, is the way to deal with our "deadline." Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: [ESC] Silly question > > Are we going for this report being due tomorrow [6 weeks after Motion > 00-28 was passed] or Friday [6 weeks after formation of the committee]? > > -Teresa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:27:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27243 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04678 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DAC763C143; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B286C3C121 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024002724.NPPJ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:27:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023203322.032f2c70@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:33:32 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE In-Reply-To: <007d01c03d4e$b3289aa0$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 3 c then, right Linda? At 06:54 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected >the following year(s) for a vacant two year term > > >Linda > >lhaasdav@mindspring.com >Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion >List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:37:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28075 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06153 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7274A3C1C4; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4883C18A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-30.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.30]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00103 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <012701c03d52$07011d20$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <00b701c03cfb$a86ac000$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - Eligible voters Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:16:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Again and again, I like Linda's revision here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - Eligible voters > Eligible voters may vote once for each region or special project postion > for which they are eligible and once for national postions and once for > each of any bylaws on the ballot. As has been the practice in past > elections, state and project level File Managers and Coordinators shall be > eligible to vote in elections for Special Project Representatives. > Transcribers are not included as defined in the Bylaws, Article VII > Section 6. [Although the EC has not handled Special Projects elections in > the past, the ESC was unanimous in determining that it should do so in > future elections.] > > > My comment: > IMO we need to revise the first sentence so that eligible voters will be > allowed to vote in whatever type of election should come up in the future. > > My suggestion: > Eligible voters may vote once for each region or special project postion > for which they are eligible and once for national positions and once for any > national issue that may be placed on a ballot. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:38:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28106 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06231 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 69A083C1A9; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291FB3C1C3 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-30.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.30]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00107 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <012801c03d52$07ec1960$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <00b401c03cfb$a70a45a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - minority opinion Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: The thing that runs through my mind with this is the situation with the blackened logos. The AB said that using the black logo made someone "not in good standing" but if you asked the State Coordinators in the States where the CC had the website, they all would have said that the blackened logos did NOT disqualify the person from voting or running for office (e.g. Nebraska, Tennessee, etc.). So, although I can understand your point here, and that sometimes the SCs are wrong, I also can see where sometimes they are RIGHT, and they are the first defense against unfair treatment from the AB, too. I have to say that disqualifying someone to vote is a very serious thing in this Project; and, therefore, that decision needs to be made by the widest possible group, and the most number of people possible, to AVOID unfairness by one group or position. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "Election Committee" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:06 AM Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - minority opinion > C. Eligibility of voters > > Minority Opinion: > > I believe that the denial of any volunteer's right to vote shall be > decided by the AB only. I do not believe this is the right of State > Coordinators or Special Projects Coordinators or Regional Reps or Rep at > Large. Therefore in my minority opinion the above should read: > > "Eligible voters as defined in the bylaws, Article VII Section 6 "All > members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up Volunteers and > Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote". Therefore all such Project > members will be assumed to be eligible to vote unless determined otherwise > by the Advisory Board. If someone's right to vote is deemed ineligible to > vote, > challenges to such a finding will not be ruled on by the EC but the > Advisory Board should address the challenge in a timely fashion so as to > allow the person to vote or run for office in the current election. If > they do not, the > person will be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote or run". > > > > My comments: She who is really tired should not try cut & paste anything > Please change this to read: > > I believe that the denial of any volunteer's right to vote shall be > decided by the AB only. I do not believe this is the right of State > Coordinators or Special Projects Coordinators or Regional Reps or Rep at > Large. Therefore in my minority opinion the above last paragraph should > read: > > Challenges to a member's eligibility to vote will in no circumstances be > addressed by the EC. Such challenges shall be addressed to and determined by > the Advisory Board. The AB should address the challenge in a timely fashion > so as to allow the person to vote in the current election. If they do not, > the person will be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote. > > > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:38:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28248 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06315 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DB9533C1F2; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE9D3C1D8 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-30.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.30]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00112 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <012901c03d52$09975860$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <01cf01c03d0b$13c84340$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:31:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree that it probably should be added. As I mentioned before, because of a problem, Wyoming doesn't allow co-cc's to vote in State elections. But, I definitely believe they should have the right to vote in National Elections. This probably needs to be added so there wouldn't be any misunderstandings about eligibility since many States have different voting requirements from the National ones. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? > Teresa wrote: > > This is tangential to this issue, but should we add a statement that > state-level voting restrictions do not apply in national level elections? > I imagine that there are states out there that have limited the number of > co-CCs who can vote in state-wide elections, but IMO that should have no > bearing on who can vote in national elections. > > My comment: > Thanks for coming up with this. It is important and none of us have thought > about it. I believe it should be added. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:39:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28304 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06396 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A8FFF3C1C3; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338803C1AC for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-30.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.30]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00116 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:40:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <012a01c03d52$0a718bc0$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <01d001c03d0b$15305ec0$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] thought - about a problem Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Didn't we cover this with the part about taking on extra "workers" as needed? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:05 AM Subject: [ESC] thought - about a problem > Teresa: I missed your change on the web page but add me to the minority > opinion on terms limit. I am uncomfortable with the wording as it is and > feel that we would probably be better of with some type of term limit. There > will only be 6 slots to fill at any one time and surely that will be > possible with new volunteers. > > The only thought that comes to mind: What happens if a committee ends up > with NO programmer to maintain the data base software? We've left no room > anywhere for the EC to pull in a programmer for help should it be necessary. > Knowing how people will yell and scream if the committee pushes one toe > outside of the "written" rules shouldn't we make some kind of provision for > the EC to have a non-committee member work on the software for the data > base? Or perhaps add a 13th slot that can only be filled with a programmer? > Maybe that might be the best solution. But somehow there must be a provision > for a programmer to maintain or add/change things in the data base because > none of know how the web or the project will change over time. > > Comments everyone - Please! > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:40:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28399 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06555 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 311D93C1B7; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from sallib.sals.edu (sallib.sals.edu [198.175.242.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 304A23C1B6 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sallib.sals.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:34:08 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:34:08 -0400 From: Robert Sullivan To: esc@pairlist.net Cc: SCP_SULLI@sals.edu Message-Id: <001023203408.28710@sals.edu> Subject: RE: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO Yes Bob Sullivan (drowning in the epistolary tsunami) _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:42:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28483 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06835 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 018663C1B9; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from sallib.sals.edu (sallib.sals.edu [198.175.242.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F3E73C197 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sallib.sals.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:35:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:35:56 -0400 From: Robert Sullivan To: esc@pairlist.net Cc: SCP_SULLI@sals.edu Message-Id: <001023203556.28710@sals.edu> Subject: RE: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 3. only one term c. re-selected after two years Bob Sullivan _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:45:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28805 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07460 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5F1B13C22A; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920E3C260 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (A010-0225.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.76.225]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id TAA43528600 Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:41:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Importance: Normal Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 2b Nate -----Original Message----- From: esc-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:esc-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of Holly Timm Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:57 PM To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Sorry about the confusion... am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one from column B Column A 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) 3. only one term Column B a. never be re-selected b. re-selected after one year c. re-selected after two years always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through teh same process anyone else does) Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever if re-selected or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c For example: 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after one year sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29408 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08333 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 449D93C1D6; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4DF3C1A8 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024005157.ONPZ425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:51:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023205443.039ba100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:58:05 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - minority opinion In-Reply-To: <012801c03d52$07ec1960$b82c95d0@youda> References: <00b401c03cfb$a70a45a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:21 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol wrote: >The thing that runs through my mind with this is the situation with the >blackened logos. The AB said that using the black logo made someone "not in >good standing" but if you asked the State Coordinators in the States where >the CC had the website, they all would have said that the blackened logos >did NOT disqualify the person from voting or running for office (e.g. >Nebraska, Tennessee, etc.). If I recall correctly, this made those displaying them ineligible for running for office but not ineligible to vote so let's stick only to that issue and not whether or not they could vote. I think we have also made it clear that decisions as to good standing are not the province of the EC/SEC. >So, although I can understand your point here, and that sometimes the SCs >are wrong, I also can see where sometimes they are RIGHT, and they are the >first defense against unfair treatment from the AB, too. > >I have to say that disqualifying someone to vote is a very serious thing in >this Project; and, therefore, that decision needs to be made by the widest >possible group, and the most number of people possible, to AVOID unfairness >by one group or position. > >Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Haas Davenport" >To: "Election Committee" >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:06 AM >Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - minority opinion > > > > C. Eligibility of voters > > > > Minority Opinion: > > > > I believe that the denial of any volunteer's right to vote shall be > > decided by the AB only. I do not believe this is the right of State > > Coordinators or Special Projects Coordinators or Regional Reps or Rep at > > Large. Therefore in my minority opinion the above should read: > > > > "Eligible voters as defined in the bylaws, Article VII Section 6 "All > > members of The USGenWeb Project, excluding Look-Up Volunteers and > > Transcribers, shall be eligible to vote". Therefore all such Project > > members will be assumed to be eligible to vote unless determined otherwise > > by the Advisory Board. If someone's right to vote is deemed ineligible to > > vote, > > challenges to such a finding will not be ruled on by the EC but the > > Advisory Board should address the challenge in a timely fashion so as to > > allow the person to vote or run for office in the current election. If > > they do not, the > > person will be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote or run". > > > > > > > > My comments: She who is really tired should not try cut & paste anything > > > Please change this to read: > > > > I believe that the denial of any volunteer's right to vote shall be > > decided by the AB only. I do not believe this is the right of State > > Coordinators or Special Projects Coordinators or Regional Reps or Rep at > > Large. Therefore in my minority opinion the above last paragraph should > > read: > > > > Challenges to a member's eligibility to vote will in no circumstances be > > addressed by the EC. Such challenges shall be addressed to and determined >by > > the Advisory Board. The AB should address the challenge in a timely >fashion > > so as to allow the person to vote in the current election. If they do not, > > the person will be given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to vote. > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:06:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00670 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10792 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 291FB3C1E3; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFD93C121 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-39.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.39]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA03726 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01e601c03d56$22b76520$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO YES I agree with Holly. If we don't have a cohesive report, then we just as well have taken a poll and just submitted the bottom-line data to the AB instead of our recommendations. Let's use "minority opinion" with prudence and sparingly. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:06:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00675 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10805 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5DF333C1C2; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61D33C1C0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-39.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.39]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA03730 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:09:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01e701c03d56$2389f760$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:56:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > Column A > 3. only one term > > Column B ---> modified b. (*may* be if eligible ) re-selected after one year, (not automatic) _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:11:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01095 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11642 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8C6D63C15E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice6.ipa.net (postoffice6.ipa.net [205.218.170.27]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1616F3C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-39.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.39]) by postoffice6.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04558 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:15:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01eb01c03d56$e895ff40$b82c95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:08:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Deadline Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Since I downloaded my mail this evening, there has been over 150 messages from this list. No problem with that, I'm glad for the energy and enthusiasm. Some messages I've had to just scan quickly, or else I'll never get anything else done today, like eat. Please, please give me a chance to read through, thoughtfully, all these revisions. Although I don't want to "fine tune to death," I also don't want a premature report sent out. So, Holly, although I like the idea of an October 31st extension, I also don't want to be locked into a date that requires us to be "done" before we're done. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:47 PM Subject: [ESC] New Draft and taking a break > > > OK, I'm going to be away from my computer for a couple of hours at least. > I've just uploaded the last draft of this afternoon. It has a few minor > changes. > > http://www.radix.net/~merope/genealogy/escrepor.htm > > If folks want to chat about this later, can we meet on Dalnet, say 9ish > EST, on channel #usgwesc? > > -Teresa > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:15:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01466 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12288 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 41ABF3C197; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EA53C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024011549.PPIM425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:15:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023211938.00cace20@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:21:57 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY In-Reply-To: <01e701c03d56$2389f760$b82c95d0@youda> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:56 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol wrote: > > Column A > > 3. only one term > > > > Column B absolutely... nobody should ever be automatically re-selected >---> modified b. (*may* be if eligible ) re-selected after one year, (not >automatic) > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:19:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01763 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12899 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 921413C1B3; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9773C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024011952.PTEP425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:19:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023212345.00e16100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:26:00 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Deadline In-Reply-To: <01eb01c03d56$e895ff40$b82c95d0@youda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 08:08 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol wrote: >Since I downloaded my mail this evening, there has been over 150 messages >from this list. No problem with that, I'm glad for the energy and >enthusiasm. Some messages I've had to just scan quickly, or else I'll never >get anything else done today, like eat. I work fulltime myself so I understand the problem believe me!!! I think we should have no problem being done by October 31 and without some sort of a finite ending we'll not finalize everything like we ought to... it is also why I want as many as possible of you to stick around for a couple of weeks so we can respond to requests for clarification etc. where we might not have realized we weren't quite clear. >Please, please give me a chance to read through, thoughtfully, all these >revisions. Although I don't want to "fine tune to death," I also don't want >a premature report sent out. So, Holly, although I like the idea of an >October 31st extension, I also don't want to be locked into a date that >requires us to be "done" before we're done. > >Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: "merope" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:47 PM >Subject: [ESC] New Draft and taking a break > > > > > > > > OK, I'm going to be away from my computer for a couple of hours at least. > > I've just uploaded the last draft of this afternoon. It has a few minor > > changes. > > > > http://www.radix.net/~merope/genealogy/escrepor.htm > > > > If folks want to chat about this later, can we meet on Dalnet, say 9ish > > EST, on channel #usgwesc? > > > > -Teresa > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:23:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02132 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13598 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0BED03C1B3; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B463C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-086.efn.org (pm3-086.efn.org [206.163.180.86]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9O1N7e03171 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39F4E5BB.67AE@efn.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:28:27 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES John Holly Timm wrote: > > PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. > > Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, > we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline > (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of > formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have > since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... > > I think it is possible to be complete by next Tuesday (the 31st) and > something about turning it in on Halloween tickles my fancy. As important > as getting it right is, we can also fine tune it to death. > > Please vote on the following (and then read my additional comment below) > > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO > > Comment: Please take a moment to reflect on your minority opinions* --- > some of them are excellent and definitely need inclusion but if we take > minority opinions too far (as in too many) we will have a hodge podge > instead of a cohesive set of recommendations with *some* alternative > opinions. Please consider whether or not it is an important issue or if you > can live with the majority opinion. You can express some disagreements > without requesting its inclusion as a minority opinion. > > Also, if we have to vote on every line, we will be here until the next > election... yes, there are sections and even lines that need either clear > consensus or actual vote but there are others that its pretty clear how we > feel and it isn't hyper-critical... like whether the position is called > Secretary or Publicist or the proposed compromise Secretary-Publicist... I > don't think we need a vote or a minority opinion on that one, do any of > you? (In other words let's throw in a dash of common sense here) > > Holly > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:27:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02456 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14325 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 30B053C12C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6A83C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-086.efn.org (pm3-086.efn.org [206.163.180.86]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9O1RNe04248 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39F4E6BC.4BEF@efn.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:32:44 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I vote for: 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected I personally would say non-consecutive terms would be o.k. (step down after term is over, come back in two or more years if desire to serve is still strong), however, that was not an option. John Holly Timm wrote: > > Please vote: > > 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever > if re-selected every two years) > 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) > is permissable if re-selected > 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected > the following year(s) for a vacant two year term > 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:33:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02877 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15103 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 260EE3C157; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D23B3C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm3-086.efn.org (pm3-086.efn.org [206.163.180.86]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e9O1Wte05505 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39F4E809.4B80@efn.org> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:38:17 -0700 From: John McCoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I vote for 3 and for C 3. only one term c. re-selected after two years I wish I had seen this ballot before I voted on the other. Both emails were in my box. I will try to read all my emails before voting next time . John Holly Timm wrote: > > Sorry about the confusion... > > am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one > from column B > > Column A > 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) > 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) > 3. only one term > > Column B > a. never be re-selected > b. re-selected after one year > c. re-selected after two years > > always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for > an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through teh > same process anyone else does) > > Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever > if re-selected > or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c > > For example: > 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again > 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after one year > > sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 20:52:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29429 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08524 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A14583C1D7; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283303C12C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024005248.OONK425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:52:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023205840.039c0100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:58:56 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? In-Reply-To: <012901c03d52$09975860$b82c95d0@youda> References: <01cf01c03d0b$13c84340$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A agreed... any opposition on this At 07:31 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol wrote: >I agree that it probably should be added. As I mentioned before, because of >a problem, Wyoming doesn't allow co-cc's to vote in State elections. But, I >definitely believe they should have the right to vote in National Elections. >This probably needs to be added so there wouldn't be any misunderstandings >about eligibility since many States have different voting requirements from >the National ones. > >Carol > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Linda Haas Davenport" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? > > > > Teresa wrote: > > > > This is tangential to this issue, but should we add a statement that > > state-level voting restrictions do not apply in national level elections? > > I imagine that there are states out there that have limited the number of > > co-CCs who can vote in state-wide elections, but IMO that should have no > > bearing on who can vote in national elections. > > > > My comment: > > Thanks for coming up with this. It is important and none of us have >thought > > about it. I believe it should be added. > > > > Linda > > > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:59:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24792 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00076 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 913DB3C1A0; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42203C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04271 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:59:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023185442.00c0d220@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:55:45 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 3 c Carol C-H At 07:57 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry about the confusion... > >am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one >from column B > >Column A >1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) >2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) >3. only one term > >Column B >a. never be re-selected >b. re-selected after one year >c. re-selected after two years > >always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for >an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through >teh same process anyone else does) > >Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever >if re-selected >or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c > >For example: > 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again > 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after > one year > > >sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24012 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28707 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D39893C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075243C12D for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023235052.MJHP425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:50:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:57:00 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Sorry about the confusion... am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one from column B Column A 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) 3. only one term Column B a. never be re-selected b. re-selected after one year c. re-selected after two years always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through teh same process anyone else does) Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever if re-selected or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c For example: 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after one year sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 19:28:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21968 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25132 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023232807.LRLD425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192944.03868100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:34:16 -0500 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Oy vey In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023191734.00bf67d0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: At 07:19 PM 10/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >Its a hold over from the discussion of an online way for folks to check >their registration information. Linda D is real gungho on the database >thing, and I think most of us didn't really think about the issues >involved until it came up today. I thought we had finally managed to get away from having an online checkable database thing where you could look people up... I appreciate Linda's thoughts but she seems unable to accept the fact that a lot of usgenweb people are not technically skilled and have enough trouble managing their web site coding and that many of these very same people DO care about the elections and would like to serve or at least feel like they could serve if they wanted to.... She also gives me the impression of being a bit demanding of what are volunteers, not paid employees From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 19:28:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21968 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25132 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001023232807.LRLD425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:28:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192944.03868100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:34:16 -0500 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Oy vey In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023191734.00bf67d0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A At 07:19 PM 10/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >Its a hold over from the discussion of an online way for folks to check >their registration information. Linda D is real gungho on the database >thing, and I think most of us didn't really think about the issues >involved until it came up today. I thought we had finally managed to get away from having an online checkable database thing where you could look people up... I appreciate Linda's thoughts but she seems unable to accept the fact that a lot of usgenweb people are not technically skilled and have enough trouble managing their web site coding and that many of these very same people DO care about the elections and would like to serve or at least feel like they could serve if they wanted to.... She also gives me the impression of being a bit demanding of what are volunteers, not paid employees From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 19:12:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20493 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22612 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 301F73C12D; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F383C12C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05715 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:12:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023180820.00c1bd50@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:08:25 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 07:16 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:43:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03770 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16682 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 05C563C1BE; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0FE3C190 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (A010-0226.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.76.226]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id UAA40169162 Mon, 23 Oct 2000 20:41:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:43:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Importance: Normal Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes!!! Nate -----Original Message----- From: esc-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:esc-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of Holly Timm Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:17 PM To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... I think it is possible to be complete by next Tuesday (the 31st) and something about turning it in on Halloween tickles my fancy. As important as getting it right is, we can also fine tune it to death. Please vote on the following (and then read my additional comment below) Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES or NO Comment: Please take a moment to reflect on your minority opinions* --- some of them are excellent and definitely need inclusion but if we take minority opinions too far (as in too many) we will have a hodge podge instead of a cohesive set of recommendations with *some* alternative opinions. Please consider whether or not it is an important issue or if you can live with the majority opinion. You can express some disagreements without requesting its inclusion as a minority opinion. Also, if we have to vote on every line, we will be here until the next election... yes, there are sections and even lines that need either clear consensus or actual vote but there are others that its pretty clear how we feel and it isn't hyper-critical... like whether the position is called Secretary or Publicist or the proposed compromise Secretary-Publicist... I don't think we need a vote or a minority opinion on that one, do any of you? (In other words let's throw in a dash of common sense here) Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 21:45:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03922 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17054 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024014500.QPBY425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:45:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023214206.00bda5d0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:08 -0500 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Opinion re:ESC Time Extension Request In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023195825.032f5b00@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A At 09:26 PM 10/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >"The Election Study Committee respectfully requests an extension of time >for the preparation of their report until October 31st, 2000. This is deemed >necessary due the excellent and ongoing discussion on final details." > >Too short? MaMaT does not want to strain their brains nor their attention span nor give them any more words than necessary for them to see hidden threats etc in sorry, I am tired and feeling a bit tacky but there is just enough truth in that that it is sad... it appears that there is one person on the Board who will be against this based on a personal issue with me and probably at least 2 for a political stance... There appears to be no lessening of the intent by at least one to scuttle the report on PP grounds of some sort but I think the quality of our report and its recommendations will speak for themselves even if, as you put it the other day, they toss it in File 13. One more vote and I can send the request... have nine and I miscounted before, ten is a simple majority (20 members, 19 voting - me the chair doesn't vote except in a tie) hugs From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 17:16:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09788 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02029 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2E53D3C121; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5FD3C11F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 17:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07209 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:16:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023160823.00c12ef0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:11:04 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinions-lengthly answer In-Reply-To: <044201c03d33$ee714140$0200a8c0@Linda> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:47 PM 10/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: > Since the two or three I posted are extremely important to me (even if >to no one else) I want them included. That's the way I feel about having the one I feel strongly about - a list of the names of voters - put as a minority opinion now, and preferably put to a vote soon. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04674 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17965 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6FEF93C190; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838593C15E for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024015111.QUEN425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:51:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023193952.040d4750@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:57:19 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Time Running Out - Vote Results Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: YES - Teresa, Carol C-H, Connie, Tina, Esse, Linda H-D, Bob S, Carol (WY), John and Nate making ten YES votes for the extension and no NO votes so far... I miscounted earlier, a simple majority is 10 --- 20 members but only 19 votes cause I as chair don't vote except to break a tie. I'll be sending the request to Board-L in a minute, I do not anticipate any difficulty with it being granted and I think we can continue forward as if it will be. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:52:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04740 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18160 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 1EE913C190; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AC63C15E for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Morom01@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.80.1db796f (9666) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Morom01@aol.com Message-ID: <80.1db796f.2726454c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:52:12 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: << Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES or NO >> YES And I think the first thing to do afterwards is stop revising for a minute and take a vote on some of the serious issues. The others we can generalize on and still be okay. Chip _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 21:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04960 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18586 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4EDF43C190; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9273C15E for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024015542.QYBA425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:55:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023220101.00bd44b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:01:50 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT In-Reply-To: <80.1db796f.2726454c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: night all At 09:52 PM 10/23/00 -0400, Morom01@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/23/00 7:57:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >esc-admin@pairlist.net writes: > ><< Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO >> > >YES > >And I think the first thing to do afterwards is stop revising for a minute >and take a vote on some of the serious issues. The others we can generalize >on and still be okay. > >Chip > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 21:59:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05273 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19084 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024015902.RAZW425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023220408.00bd4bc0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:05:10 -0500 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Opinion re:ESC Time Extension Request In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023214206.00bda5d0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: At 09:49 PM 10/23/00 -0400, you wrote: >And they say "no", so what? I'll publish the final report to the DBS and >make them look bad in the process. and I'll post it to all the promised lists >-Teresa > piss AND vinegar! lol... and now I am off to bed hugs From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 22:42:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09031 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25579 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7F8953C1AF; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687173C1A1 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.236]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001024024148.CLPB5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:41:48 +0000 Message-ID: <035301c03d63$88536fc0$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:56:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > > > Column A > > > 3. only one term > > > Column B > > c. re-selected after two years Connie _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 22:49:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09816 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26839 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A78BC3C16E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r12.mail.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA4F3C157 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.bf.8036c05 (3860) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:49:23 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 42 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:11:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << Should we request an extension until October 31st? YES or NO >> Yes Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 22:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09993 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27215 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A29C73C16E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF763C157 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.b4.c68fc87 (3860) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:52:23 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 42 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:20:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << Please vote: 1) no term limit (someone can serve forever if re-selected every two years) 2) one consecutive term (two terms in a row) is permissable if re-selected 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected the following year(s) for a vacant two year term 4) one consecutive term and may never be re-selected >> 3) one consecutive term but may be re-selected the following year(s) for a vacant two year term Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 22:56:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA10405 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27744 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CE7F13C16E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r03.mail.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.3]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0062D3C157 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.f3.3d7a688 (3860) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:56:03 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 42 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/23/00 7:51:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one from column B Column A 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) 3. only one term Column B a. never be re-selected b. re-selected after one year c. re-selected after two years >> 2 B Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:03:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11081 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28937 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9D9EC3C16E; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r16.mail.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0987E3C157 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.7e.beed10b (3860) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.beed10b.27265613@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:03:47 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 42 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: No, I agree. Mary Ann In a message dated 10/23/00 8:53:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << agreed... any opposition on this At 07:31 PM 10/23/00 -0500, Carol wrote: >I agree that it probably should be added. As I mentioned before, because of >a problem, Wyoming doesn't allow co-cc's to vote in State elections. But, I >definitely believe they should have the right to vote in National Elections. >This probably needs to be added so there wouldn't be any misunderstandings >about eligibility since many States have different voting requirements from >the National ones. > >Carol >> _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA13211 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02922 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 923EA3C19C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6C03C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port1102.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.209.202]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11077 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:31:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001023222615.00b24d40@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:26:50 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT In-Reply-To: <80.1db796f.2726454c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 09:52 PM 10/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >And I think the first thing to do afterwards is stop revising for a minute >and take a vote on some of the serious issues. The others we can generalize >on and still be okay. I agree - Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:40:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14089 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04248 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E5A843C1A1; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F343C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.102] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:40:40 -0500 Message-Id: <010401c03d6b$49b3f7a0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:15:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: How about a two consecutive term limit? That gives four years service on the committee--which is a long time. Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [ESC] Minority opinion? > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > . The ESC does not recommend term limits on EC membership. If members are > > willing to serve additional terms, they should be allowed to do so. > > > > I definitely do not like this. Carol raised a good point or two, I believe > > re: it a while ago, but I don't see that addressed in the wording of this > > draft - is it going to be inserted? > > I haven't received any suggestions for this, other than your below. > > > > > I am in favor of a one-term limit, to give more people an opportunity to > > serve - we are speaking of two-year terms anyhow, are we not - > > Yes, we are. But my feeling about this is that we probably have a limited > pool of people who are willing to volunteer further within USGW, and > imposing term limits will limit that pool even further. We may end up > with a situation wherein the Board cannot come up with a large enough pool > of volunteers to staff the EC. > > So how to resolve this? > > We can > > 1) say no more than one term > 2) say no more than one [or two] consecutive terms in any position [I mean > this to say that if a person serves two consecutive terms as a SW/SC rep > on the committee, they cannot then serve two more consecutive terms as > NW/P rep] > 3) say "no term limits" and strengthen the EC's and the Board's ability to > remove committee members for cause [ie, specify the causes for which > someone can be removed, the procedures to follow in removal. We can for > example, say people can be removed for failing to respond to email, > behaving unprofessionally toward project members, failing to perform the > duties of the EC, etc. We can say the EC members can vote [straight > majority] to remove a member and the AB and EC together should select a > replacement member, who cannot be the person just removed.] > > Give me ideas. > > -Teresa > > > > Carol C-H > http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esc mailing list > > Esc@pairlist.net > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14120 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04281 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 87B8E3C124; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D213C1AA for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.102] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:40:42 -0500 Message-Id: <010501c03d6b$4aafbcc0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <5e.23fbc07.2724f829@aol.com><008e01c03c98$f4b28690$0201a8c0@connie> <4.3.2.7.2.20001023070038.00bd5460@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Always outside? please vote Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:19:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I vote for B but have no objections to C. Jerimiah > A. Always an outside source > B. Always an inside source > C. Initially an outside source with long term development of our own _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:41:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14130 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04320 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8B30A3C14C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D093C1B4 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.102] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:40:45 -0500 Message-Id: <010801c03d6b$4cd9a1a0$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:29:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes to requesting Oct. 31 ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT > PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. > > Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, > we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline > (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of > formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have > since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... > > I think it is possible to be complete by next Tuesday (the 31st) and > something about turning it in on Halloween tickles my fancy. As important > as getting it right is, we can also fine tune it to death. > > Please vote on the following (and then read my additional comment below) > > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO > > Comment: Please take a moment to reflect on your minority opinions* --- > some of them are excellent and definitely need inclusion but if we take > minority opinions too far (as in too many) we will have a hodge podge > instead of a cohesive set of recommendations with *some* alternative > opinions. Please consider whether or not it is an important issue or if you > can live with the majority opinion. You can express some disagreements > without requesting its inclusion as a minority opinion. > > Also, if we have to vote on every line, we will be here until the next > election... yes, there are sections and even lines that need either clear > consensus or actual vote but there are others that its pretty clear how we > feel and it isn't hyper-critical... like whether the position is called > Secretary or Publicist or the proposed compromise Secretary-Publicist... I > don't think we need a vote or a minority opinion on that one, do any of > you? (In other words let's throw in a dash of common sense here) > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:42:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14191 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04514 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A96263C14C; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997643C124 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.102] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:42:23 -0500 Message-Id: <011201c03d6b$8727c760$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:35:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: My vote is for 2c Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY > Sorry about the confusion... > > am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one > from column B > > Column A > 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) > 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) > 3. only one term > > Column B > a. never be re-selected > b. re-selected after one year > c. re-selected after two years > > always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for > an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through teh > same process anyone else does) > > Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever > if re-selected > or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c > > For example: > 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again > 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after one year > > > sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 05:32:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA08405 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13756 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 864EC3C12C; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966503C128 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (pool-63.52.128.182.dlls.grid.net [63.52.128.182]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA15418 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 05:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a201c03d9d$3cf62ce0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <8e.c158965.27262b6a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:11:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: OK - cancel my first vote 3b Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Mon Oct 23 23:40:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14093 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04253 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4457E3C1AF; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub1.tc.umn.edu (mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FD23C14C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.102] by mhub1.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 22:40:43 -0500 Message-Id: <010601c03d6b$4b4ff460$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <00b701c03cfb$a86ac000$0200a8c0@Linda> Subject: Re: [ESC] draft comm report - Eligible voters Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:21:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Just out of curiosity--are there any special project members on this list? I fully support the EC handling the elections, but am not sure that they have any representation here. Are we making rules for them without any representation? Jerimiah ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Haas Davenport To: Election Committee Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:11 AM Subject: [ESC] draft comm report - Eligible voters > Eligible voters may vote once for each region or special project postion > for which they are eligible and once for national postions and once for > each of any bylaws on the ballot. As has been the practice in past > elections, state and project level File Managers and Coordinators shall be > eligible to vote in elections for Special Project Representatives. > Transcribers are not included as defined in the Bylaws, Article VII > Section 6. [Although the EC has not handled Special Projects elections in > the past, the ESC was unanimous in determining that it should do so in > future elections.] > > > My comment: > IMO we need to revise the first sentence so that eligible voters will be > allowed to vote in whatever type of election should come up in the future. > > My suggestion: > Eligible voters may vote once for each region or special project postion > for which they are eligible and once for national positions and once for any > national issue that may be placed on a ballot. > > Linda > > lhaasdav@mindspring.com > Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion > List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 09:53:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29850 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18910 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CE14D3C1FE; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (bob.propagation.net [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3C1F6 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp127-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.143]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07301 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003901c03dc1$cca7b7e0$8fb3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:53:17 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes on the extension. And I agree with Holly regarding her opinion that too many minority opinions on every detail of the report will muddy it up to the point of ruining it. Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:16 PM Subject: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT > PLEASE READ AND REPLY A.S.A.P. > > Since I can't even read as fast as the emails are piling in at the moment, > we are clearly not going to be ready tomorrow. The alternative deadline > (depending on whether you count from the motion or from the completion of > formation) is Friday and frankly with the limited time several of us have > since we have fulltime jobs, I don't think we can make it then either... > > I think it is possible to be complete by next Tuesday (the 31st) and > something about turning it in on Halloween tickles my fancy. As important > as getting it right is, we can also fine tune it to death. > > Please vote on the following (and then read my additional comment below) > > Should we request an extension until October 31st? > YES or NO > > Comment: Please take a moment to reflect on your minority opinions* --- > some of them are excellent and definitely need inclusion but if we take > minority opinions too far (as in too many) we will have a hodge podge > instead of a cohesive set of recommendations with *some* alternative > opinions. Please consider whether or not it is an important issue or if you > can live with the majority opinion. You can express some disagreements > without requesting its inclusion as a minority opinion. > > Also, if we have to vote on every line, we will be here until the next > election... yes, there are sections and even lines that need either clear > consensus or actual vote but there are others that its pretty clear how we > feel and it isn't hyper-critical... like whether the position is called > Secretary or Publicist or the proposed compromise Secretary-Publicist... I > don't think we need a vote or a minority opinion on that one, do any of > you? (In other words let's throw in a dash of common sense here) > > Holly > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 09:58:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00427 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19835 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BFB3C3C17D; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (bob.propagation.net [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F423C144 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp127-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.143]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08381 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:58:33 -0500 Message-ID: <008e01c03dc2$7eb7d320$8fb3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194822.0427b850@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:58:31 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: 3b Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:57 PM Subject: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE - #2 TRY > Sorry about the confusion... > > am gonna set this up a different way... sort of one from column A and one > from column B > > Column A > 1. no limit as to # of terms (until eternity) > 2. two consecutive terms (2 + 2= four years) > 3. only one term > > Column B > a. never be re-selected > b. re-selected after one year > c. re-selected after two years > > always to serve additional terms, a person must be re-selected just as for > an original term (i.e., no automatic reappointing, they must go through teh > same process anyone else does) > > Your vote than may be 1. (no column B choice needed) --- can serve forever > if re-selected > or any combination of 2 or 3 and a,b,c > > For example: > 2 a = can serve two consecutive terms and can never serve again > 3 b = can serve only one term and then can be reselected after one year > > > sorry about the confusion, I knew what I meant to say > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 20:22:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08183 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16101 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6B4643C15B; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4A3C158 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port471.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.171]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22964 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001024185420.00c03f00@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:17:49 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H In-Reply-To: <06ac01c03e12$091246a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Vote?? Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Are we going to vote to decide which of those points are majority and which are minority, before submitting? Also, Holly, you asked yesterday if I wanted to include the suggestion of the voter list (names only, no e-mail addy, volunteer location, or other identifying info) being online at the EC site as a minority opinion - I would like to, unless it has enough support to be a majority opinion - Thanks! Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 23:16:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA23577 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13079 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D0B9E3C195; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.2.15]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B483C144 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p158.amax24.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.83.158]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09090 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:16:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F64CC4.45FF3F92@flash.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:00:20 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Term limits - VOTE References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023192231.033f4690@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Vote #2 -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Tue Oct 24 23:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA23778 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13235 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 718F33C195; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.2.15]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47173C144 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p158.amax24.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.83.158]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11163 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:17:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F64D07.D6316D9F@flash.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:01:27 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Time running out.... URGENT References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023190637.00e163d0@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Yes to the extension -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From hollyft@bright.net Mon Oct 23 21:53:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04821 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18238 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.34]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001024015314.QVUE425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:53:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023215815.00b70e30@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 21:59:22 -0500 To: merope@Radix.Net From: Holly Timm Subject: ESC Time Extension Request Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A The Election Study Committee (ESC) respectfully requests an extension of time for the preparation of their report until October 31st, 2000. It was deemed due either 10/24 or 10/27 depending on whether one interpreted the six week deadline as beginning when the motion was passed or when the formation of the committee was completed but the excellent and thoughtful discussion on the committee has not made finalizing the details and wording a speedy task. We are well into the final preparation of the report but do not wish to err in any haste to complete it. Holly Timm Chair Election Study Committee From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 06:35:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA23706 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02972 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 624E43C1A0; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f230.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.230]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140873C18C for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 03:35:03 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.37 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:35:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.37] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Voting Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:35:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 10:35:03.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BE354E0:01C03E6F] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Sounds good to me. Go for it! ----Original Message Follows---- From: merope Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Voting Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Hey all, Had to take a break yesterday Did everyone like the idea of voting on the report in sections? For sections where no alternate proposals currently exist, the options could be "accept as is" and "do not accept". If someone chooses the second, they should provide an alternate proposal. Where alternate proposals already exist, the vote can be between "option A", "option B", and "other". If what I'm talking about isn't clear I can make up a couple of sample ballots from the existing draft. Also, if this is acceptable to everyone, we should start soon to acquire votes on each section. We should not wait until the end of the week or we will find ourselves swamped again. If Holly is agreeable to it [and the rest of you too ] I recommend starting the voting tonight. -Teresa merope@radix.net _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 06:45:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA24616 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04243 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 314AE3C1A0; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF683C177 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.26]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001025104502.NHLO425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:45:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001025063942.04838100@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:51:12 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Just checking in In-Reply-To: <06ac01c03e12$091246a0$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:27 PM 10/24/00 -0500, Linda Haas Davenport wrote: >Haven't had a message since last night so just checking to see if everyone >is suffering from information overload yup I also had a local computer fundamentals class to teach last night but don't have anything more scheduled until Wednesday night of next week (except trudging off to my job every day) so things should perk up again here tonight from this end. I note this morning that Joy has made a motion for our extension on Board-L and Rich has seconded it. I also apologize for the delay in getting the request sent, I was pretty well typed out at the time and sent it off with a typo in the address (roostweb instead of rootsweb ), shutting down the computer and heading for bed almost immediately afterwards so I didn't catch the bounce until checking my mail after work last night. Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 07:17:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26818 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07692 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CE60A3C1C5; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E653C1AF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.26]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001025111744.OALD425.invictus@pooh.bright.net>; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001025072106.0491fd80@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:23:53 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net, esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] Voting In-Reply-To: References: <006b01c03e6c$b2078040$0200a8c0@Linda> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 06:27 AM 10/25/00 -0400, merope wrote: >Had to take a break yesterday with close to 200 messages on Monday alone you got that right about a break! >Did everyone like the idea of voting on the report in sections? For >sections where no alternate proposals currently exist, the options could >be "accept as is" and "do not accept". If someone chooses the second, >they should provide an alternate proposal. Some chunk could be bigger than others as well where there has been little or no disagreement or discussion... >If what I'm talking about isn't clear I can make up a couple of sample >ballots from the existing draft. can you do a couple of samples during the day today... but make them real life samples that we can actually start on >Also, if this is acceptable to everyone, we should start soon to acquire >votes on each section. We should not wait until the end of the week or we >will find ourselves swamped again. If Holly is agreeable to it [and the >rest of you too ] I recommend starting the voting tonight. go for it dashing out the door... late again... _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 07:18:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26868 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07712 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 238AA3C1C5; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3833C1AF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09116 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d401c03e75$26a4bc80$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Voting Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:55:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: As for me Teresa - go for it! Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: [ESC] Voting > > Hey all, > > Had to take a break yesterday > > Did everyone like the idea of voting on the report in sections? For > sections where no alternate proposals currently exist, the options could > be "accept as is" and "do not accept". If someone chooses the second, > they should provide an alternate proposal. > > Where alternate proposals already exist, the vote can be between "option > A", "option B", and "other". > > If what I'm talking about isn't clear I can make up a couple of sample > ballots from the existing draft. > > Also, if this is acceptable to everyone, we should start soon to acquire > votes on each section. We should not wait until the end of the week or we > will find ourselves swamped again. If Holly is agreeable to it [and the > rest of you too ] I recommend starting the voting tonight. > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 07:24:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27389 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08574 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 49DDF3C1C5; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BE3C1AF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03530 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00fb01c03e76$090ec5c0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194430.033f1920@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on term limits Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:20:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I agree Holly Asked: In an attempt to move things along, I would like to ask approval for: Serving only one term, eligible for re-selection after one year and to permit those serving for only one year initially (so the terms are staggered) to be re-selected the second year. I think this is both the majority of this committee and permitting the one year term holders to be re-selected after the first year gives the added bit of stability for the new committee to stabilize on... I may not have explained that well... only one cup of coffee and the clock rushing me off to work Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 09:32:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08721 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27842 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 222673C176; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.2.14]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962E03C144 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p109.amax22.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.83.109]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15822 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:31:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F6DCEA.A97E9613@flash.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:15:22 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Voting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Sounds good to me. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From cch@netdoor.com Wed Oct 25 09:07:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06248 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23156 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27035 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:07:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025074804.041bed40@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:02:55 -0500 To: merope From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: member list In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20001024185420.00c03f00@mail.netdoor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: Will try - just got up to let the dogs out and am hoping to be able to stay up today - I posted that last night to the list fully believing it was my swan song to the committee - yesterday was pretty rough - I am not a good patient and do not enjoy being "waited on", but enjoy the thought of being on a gurney less - today feels like survival might actually be possible. This head cold has either kicked off a major flare, or I have the flu - partner thinks it is the flu - a major flare feels like the flu, so I can't tell, though have been having a higher fever than usually accompanies a flare. ANYHOW...I digress....I'll be happy to do it when I wake up if able to do so and will send it to you asap but I have yet to see you mess anything up, Teresa, and I would really feel more comfortable with your doing it anyhow so that the wording does not in any way cross the line - or allow for others to misinterpret and cross the line - into the area that your experience tells you would be hazardous for volunteers - kapish?? So will try to send something after the coffee hits, but would much prefer that you reword it appropriately - Carol (three sips into a cup) At 08:28 AM 10/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Carol C-H wrote: > > > Also, Holly, you asked yesterday if I wanted to include the suggestion >of > > the voter list (names only, no e-mail addy, volunteer location, or other > > identifying info) being online at the EC site as a minority opinion - I > > would like to, unless it has enough support to be a majority opinion - > >Can you write up how you want this section to read so it can be included >as an option in the voting? I don't want to mess it up. > >Thanks! > >-Teresa Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 09:37:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09273 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28715 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 147B13C1A0; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (chupacabras.flash.net [209.30.2.16]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD753C144 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p109.amax22.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.83.109]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08733 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:37:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F6DE20.E652C496@flash.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:20:32 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on term limits References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194430.033f1920@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I did pick the wrong message. Still sorting after modem failure. I go with 2 C -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 09:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09372 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28906 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B7D163C1B1; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.2.15]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8837E3C144 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p109.amax22.dialup.okc1.flash.net [209.30.83.109]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21271 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39F6DE6B.9D0609D2@flash.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:21:47 -0500 From: Bob Chada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on mechanism References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023193543.038d9710@mail.bright.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Holly, I go with C on this one. -- Bob Chada bchada@flash.net Logan County, Oklahoma See our home page: http://www.flash.net/~tchada/ See our Logan County page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklogan/oklogan.htm _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 09:55:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11341 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02308 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C8BDC3C203; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (bob.propagation.net [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E4F3C144 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp197-rch.klondyke.net [209.155.37.196]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02605 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:54:06 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c03e8b$10159500$c4259bd1@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194430.033f1920@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on term limits Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:53:59 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: OK with me, Holly. Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 8:11 AM Subject: [ESC] vote results on term limits > Results to date on term limits are below. Nine chose (3) Only One Term, and > four chose (2) Two Consecutive Terms; seven chose (b) Re-Selected After > One Year and five chose (c) Re-Selected After Two Years. (Count discrepancy > because Bob Chada didn't note a, b, or c and apparently voted on my first > *messed up* vote choice, sorry Bob). The most chosen combination was (3b) > Only One Term, eligible for re-selection after one year. > > In an attempt to move things along, I would like to ask approval for: > Serving only one term, eligible for re-selection after one year and to > permit those serving for only one year initially (so the terms are > staggered) to be re-selected the second year. I think this is both the > majority of this committee and permitting the one year term holders to be > re-selected after the first year gives the added bit of stability for the > new committee to stabilize on... I may not have explained that well... only > one cup of coffee and the clock rushing me off to work. > > > 3 b Linda H-D > 3 b Shari Handley > 3 b Teresa Lindquist > 3 b Carol (WY) > 3 b Tina Vickery > > 3 c Carol C-H > 3 c Robert Sullivan > 3 c John MCoy > 3 c Connie Bates > > 2 b Nathan Zipfel > 2 b Mary Ann Hetrick > > 2 c Jeremiah > 2 Bob Chada > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From lhaasdav@mindspring.com Wed Oct 25 10:20:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13978 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07111 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14698 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c801c03e8e$9ffb5260$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: "merope" References: Subject: Re: Your opinion Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:07:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Status: RO X-Status: Teresa: It looks like what we need. My only suggestion would be that when you get to the actual recommendations that you ask for agreement or disagreement on each paragraph or break it where the thought ends. The one that comes to mind is item # 2 Formation that has several paragraphs. Some I agree with and some I disagree with so I don't think we can vote on all of #2 in a lump without getting all kinds of confusion again. And I truthfully think that we're going to end up doing this vote thing anyway so why don't you go ahead and do each section? I'll help if you want to assign me a spot to start and then we can review each others and see what we have before posting the first couple and also that way they will all be done by tonight and if Holly agrees then you can post them all in one fell swoop? I'll be glad to help out if you want. I'm at home all day today (I LOVE being off from work awhile and will hate like hell to have to go back somewhere around the 1st of Dec) Let me know if I can help. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 7:30 AM Subject: Your opinion > > Here's a sample ballot. Does this procedure sound OK to you? > > Thanks! > > -Teresa > > ==== > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > === > > FORWARD > > The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory > Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 > [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special > committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election > process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, > 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and > 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen > from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the > project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The > National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. > > The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on > these areas: > > a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible > positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; > b.Standing Election Committee; > c.Voting mechanism including location and method; > d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or > brought to their attention by others. > > The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the > USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than > 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L > mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four > regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing > lists. > > The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that > would > > 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to > election; > 2.provide accountability; > 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and > 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in > the election process. > > The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable > immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered > recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if > and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in > agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority > opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this > report. > > The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage > members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's > advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose > discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also > invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to > 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb > Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this > URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. > > === > > > > > > From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 12:14:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA27137 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29828 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9CF7D3C222; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85393C140 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.80.1eff3c7 (7867) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <80.1eff3c7.272860cb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:14:03 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on term limits To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: I have no problem with that one. Mary Ann In a message dated 10/25/2000 7:05:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: << In an attempt to move things along, I would like to ask approval for: Serving only one term, eligible for re-selection after one year and to permit those serving for only one year initially (so the terms are staggered) to be re-selected the second year. I think this is both the majority of this committee and permitting the one year term holders to be re-selected after the first year gives the added bit of stability for the new committee to stabilize on... I may not have explained that well... only one cup of coffee and the clock rushing me off to work. >> _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14089 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20954 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D279A3C227; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935AB3C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20922 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Voting Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Starting very shortly, I will be sending some ballots for voting on different sections of the report. Please base your vote on the concepts in the section and on style or wording issues. I'm certainly happy to accept suggestions for better wording, typo corrections, etc., but if you are in agreement with the basic proposal, please vote accordingly. I imagine we'll accept votes for a few days at least, so you can ponder it for a bit, if you wish. Again, if there are no existing "alternate proposals", you will be asked simply to A) accept as is, or B) do not accept. If you choose the latter, PLEASE say why and provide an alternate. If lots of people aren't happy with a section, we can set it aside for further discussion. The entire current draft is at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/genealogy/escrepor.htm I will send the entire Forward first, since I have not seen any suggestions for modifications to it. Then I will send the entire Overview section, for the same reason. The Recommendations section will come in chunks, since there are a lot more points to ponder in that section. If anyone has any questions, or I'm going too fast, just let me know, and I'll stop for a bit. BTW, so far 8 Board members have voted to let us have our requested extension. -Teresa _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:06:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14141 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21128 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 06AAA3C126; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AAE3C140 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21117 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is B) Do not accept for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === FORWARD The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on these areas: a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; b.Standing Election Committee; c.Voting mechanism including location and method; d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or brought to their attention by others. The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing lists. The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that would 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to election; 2.provide accountability; 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in the election process. The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this report. The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:09:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14473 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21620 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 44C8F3C221; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDCD3C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21616 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is B) Do not accept for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === OVERVIEW OF ISSUES Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of concern with past elections: 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of the election 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and privacy 3.Lack of trust in EC 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at large 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists 7.Chronic low voter turnout 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity during any election or voting issue. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:20:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15641 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23722 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D5A503C227; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5D03C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.224]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001025182043.ZTEW5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:20:43 +0000 Message-ID: <05c501c03eaf$f5454390$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:18:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:09 PM Subject: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > OVERVIEW OF ISSUES > > Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election > Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of > concern with past elections: > > 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of > the election > 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and > privacy > 3.Lack of trust in EC > 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at > large > 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project > 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists > 7.Chronic low voter turnout > 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions > > Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be > described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although > some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the > possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this > Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in > every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting > members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all > members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity > during any election or voting issue. > > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:21:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15704 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23868 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 6C27F3C250; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A319B3C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connie ([12.77.162.224]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001025182126.ZTKG5059.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@connie> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: <05cd01c03eb0$0f025070$0201a8c0@connie> From: "Connie Bates" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:19:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward > > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > FORWARD > > The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory > Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 > [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special > committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election > process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, > 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and > 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen > from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the > project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The > National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. > > The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on > these areas: > > a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible > positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; > b.Standing Election Committee; > c.Voting mechanism including location and method; > d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or > brought to their attention by others. > > The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the > USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than > 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L > mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four > regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing > lists. > > The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that > would > > 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to > election; > 2.provide accountability; > 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and > 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in > the election process. > > The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable > immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered > recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if > and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in > agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority > opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this > report. > > The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage > members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's > advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose > discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also > invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to > 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb > Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this > URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. > > === > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:36:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18081 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26725 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F22F43C25F; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1588E3C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20044 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:36:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025133134.00cbfbf0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:31:47 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:36:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18090 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26753 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D4C323C260; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161B33C25F for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20166 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:36:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025133159.00c6f820@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:32:06 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:38:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18206 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26989 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DFD613C25F; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273743C1CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01521 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04ca01c03eb2$9f71a5a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:24:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A - accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:06 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward > > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > FORWARD > > The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory > Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 > [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special > committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election > process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, > 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and > 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen > from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the > project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The > National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. > > The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on > these areas: > > a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible > positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; > b.Standing Election Committee; > c.Voting mechanism including location and method; > d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or > brought to their attention by others. > > The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the > USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than > 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L > mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four > regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing > lists. > > The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that > would > > 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to > election; > 2.provide accountability; > 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and > 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in > the election process. > > The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable > immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered > recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if > and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in > agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority > opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this > report. > > The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage > members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's > advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose > discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also > invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to > 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb > Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this > URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. > > === > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 14:38:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18213 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26995 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id F0E503C261; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9023C260 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14433 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04cb01c03eb2$a11ce4a0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A- Accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > OVERVIEW OF ISSUES > > Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election > Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of > concern with past elections: > > 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of > the election > 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and > privacy > 3.Lack of trust in EC > 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at > large > 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project > 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists > 7.Chronic low voter turnout > 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions > > Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be > described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although > some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the > possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this > Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in > every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting > members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all > members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity > during any election or voting issue. > > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From cch@netdoor.com Wed Oct 25 10:03:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12141 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03923 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04856 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025085653.00c6f720@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:59:00 -0500 To: merope From: Carol C-H Subject: BTW - voting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: I don't expect it, but in case this stuff does get rougher than I plan and I can't be online, can you please vote for me? We have discussed the issues and you know my feelings on them and how I would vote - if you can figure a way possible to do it, would appreciate it - Carol (headed back to bed) Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22205 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03994 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CBDFB3C21D; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C2D3C217 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03972 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, merope wrote: > > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is -Teresa _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:15:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22238 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04057 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 689DF3C21D; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABB33C217 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04048 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, merope wrote: > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is -Teresa _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:22:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22981 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05454 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 2D6C03C284; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0981B3C217 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [134.84.252.240] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:22:22 -0500 Message-Id: <001901c03eb8$0092d020$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001023194430.033f1920@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: [ESC] vote results on term limits Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:15:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > In an attempt to move things along, I would like to ask approval for: > Serving only one term, eligible for re-selection after one year and to > permit those serving for only one year initially (so the terms are > staggered) to be re-selected the second year. > Sounds fair to me. Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:25:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23282 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06102 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 780593C285; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA32D3C284 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26650 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025142049.00cddbb0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:20:59 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > > A) Accept as is Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:35:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24276 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08095 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B43593C24B; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA7D3C23E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [134.84.252.240] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:35:51 -0500 Message-Id: <006501c03eb9$e3006660$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:29:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > A) Accept as is Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27733 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14449 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CC3783C1CB; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE65F3C16C for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01050 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055101c03ebf$2d79b340$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:55:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:25 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > 1.Composition of the subCommittee: > > The EC will consist of 12 members total and will include two members from > each region, two members for the Special Projects, and two At Large EC > members. From these members, the EC will choose a Chair and a Publicist, > each to serve for one year as defined in (3) regardless of the length of > their individual terms. The National Coordinator and the At Large > Representative to the Advisory Board shall both serve as ex-officio > members of the EC. They are not eligible to be either the Chair of the EC > nor its Publicist. > > === > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27743 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14458 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CE5953C203; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA883C1FE for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01007 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055201c03ebf$2eda2da0$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:56:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A0 Accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > A. Standing Election subCommittee > > The Election Study Committee unanimously recommends that the Advisory > Board appoint a standing Election subCommittee [EC] within 30 days of > receipt of this report. This subCommittee will operate year round. > > The ESC does not recommend that the Election subCommittee operate under > strict parliamentary procedure. We feel that as a "working group" the EC > will not benefit by this but will function better under less formal > operating procedures. Day to day operating procedures should be determined > by the members of the EC. > > === > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27833 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14487 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DA8413C16C; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEE23C21D for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14114 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055301c03ebf$3029df20$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:57:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A A) Option A Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC > > Please read both Option A and Option B below carefully and indicate which > you prefer: > > A) Option A > B) Option B > C) Do not accept either > > for this section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or > non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or > wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. > If you vote for (C), please provide an alternate option for consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > --OPTION A-- > > 2.Formation of the subCommittee: > > The By-laws specify that any standing election committee be appointed by > the AB. With that stipulation in mind and endeavoring to reduce adverse > reactions to the selection of a Standing Election Committee the following > is recommended for the selection of the first committee: > > The AB shall publish on the National Webpage, State, Regional, SP, ALL, > CC-L and DISCUSS e-mail lists (and any other avenue appropriate to reach > the most volunteers including, but not limited to, a personal e-mail to > each project volunteer) a brief overview of the formation of a EC and a > request for volunteers for such committee. > > From the list of volunteers the AB shall select a temporary chairperson of > the committee. The chairperson shall select from the volunteer pool > volunteers to fill the following positions: Two volunteers from each > region, two volunteers from the Special Projects (as a group and not two > volunteers for each special project) and two volunteers to represent the > "at large" region for a total of 12 Standing Election Committee members. > > This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the AB for approval or > disapproval. The AB shall not be allowed to "pick and choose" any > individual committee member. Should the AB disapprove the slate of members > in its entirety then the AB shall chose a new temporary chairperson and > the process shall be repeated. > > Replacement of EC members due to end of term shall be handled in the same > manner as above. For members who need to be replaced within the term due > to resignation or continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be > chosen from the volunteer pool by the EC committee thru a majority vote. > Such majority opinion to be forwarded to the AB for final approval or > disapproval. > > == > > --OPTION B-- > > 2.Formation of the subCommittee: > > Advisory Board members representing each region (normally one SC > representative and two LC representatives) will select two people from a > pool of eligible voters within their region who volunteer to serve on the > EC. The Special Projects Board members will likewise select two people > from eligible voters within the Special Projects who volunteer to serve. > At large members of the EC will be selected by the National Coordinator > and the Representative at Large, who will each select one individual to > serve as "members at large" from a pool of eligible voters from any part > of the project who volunteer to serve. The ESC recommends that the Board > members solicit for volunteers using State or Special Project mailing > lists, Regional mail lists and any other means that the AB members feel to > be useful in reaching the largest number of project members. Once the > proposed membership of the EC is complete, the Advisory Board shall vote > to approve the entire slate of proposed members. > > This procedure will also be followed to elect new EC members when the > terms of outgoing members expire (see Section 3. Tenure of the Committee). > The ESC recommends that the Board begin accepting volunteers for those > positions that are opening up at the start of December or possibly as > early as mid-November, select new members and vote on the entire slate of > replacement members so that they may be seated without delay on January 1. > > Should EC members need to be replaced before the regularly scheduled end > of term, the appropriate Board member(s) in conjunction with the EC will > select replacement members from a pool of volunteers appropriate to the > qualifications for the vacant seat. > > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27934 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14533 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9177C3C16C; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1A53C203 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25195 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055401c03ebf$32e94d40$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:57:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:50 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > 2. Formation of the subCommittee: > > Additional workers: > > If deemed necessary by the EC and approved by the AB, the EC may take on > additional workers (as opposed to committee members) during actual > election periods which shall be defined as the time from nominations > through final vote count although it is the opinion of this committee that > such additional workers would probably not be necessary. > > === > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc > _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27986 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14572 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 23F853C16C; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0335D3C224 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22251 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055501c03ebf$347c2240$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:58:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > 2. Formation of the subCommittee: > > Selection of Chair and Publicist-Secretary > > The selection of the EC Chair and the EC Publicist-Secretary will be made > by secret ballot sent to the National Coordinator and the AB's At Large > Representative for counting and verification. Since the terms for the EC > and the terms for the AB and the regular election are not the same time > period there should be no difficulty in conducting simple email votes for > EC Chair and Publicist-Secretary. > > === > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:45:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25699 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10118 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 586BE3C25A; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C373C23E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10097 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: merope To: esc@pairlist.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A Please read both Option A and Option B below carefully and indicate which you prefer: A) Option A B) Option B C) Do not accept either for this section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (C), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === RECOMMENDATIONS --OPTION A-- 2.Formation of the subCommittee: The By-laws specify that any standing election committee be appointed by the AB. With that stipulation in mind and endeavoring to reduce adverse reactions to the selection of a Standing Election Committee the following is recommended for the selection of the first committee: The AB shall publish on the National Webpage, State, Regional, SP, ALL, CC-L and DISCUSS e-mail lists (and any other avenue appropriate to reach the most volunteers including, but not limited to, a personal e-mail to each project volunteer) a brief overview of the formation of a EC and a request for volunteers for such committee. >From the list of volunteers the AB shall select a temporary chairperson of the committee. The chairperson shall select from the volunteer pool volunteers to fill the following positions: Two volunteers from each region, two volunteers from the Special Projects (as a group and not two volunteers for each special project) and two volunteers to represent the "at large" region for a total of 12 Standing Election Committee members. This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the AB for approval or disapproval. The AB shall not be allowed to "pick and choose" any individual committee member. Should the AB disapprove the slate of members in its entirety then the AB shall chose a new temporary chairperson and the process shall be repeated. Replacement of EC members due to end of term shall be handled in the same manner as above. For members who need to be replaced within the term due to resignation or continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be chosen from the volunteer pool by the EC committee thru a majority vote. Such majority opinion to be forwarded to the AB for final approval or disapproval. == --OPTION B-- 2.Formation of the subCommittee: Advisory Board members representing each region (normally one SC representative and two LC representatives) will select two people from a pool of eligible voters within their region who volunteer to serve on the EC. The Special Projects Board members will likewise select two people from eligible voters within the Special Projects who volunteer to serve. At large members of the EC will be selected by the National Coordinator and the Representative at Large, who will each select one individual to serve as "members at large" from a pool of eligible voters from any part of the project who volunteer to serve. The ESC recommends that the Board members solicit for volunteers using State or Special Project mailing lists, Regional mail lists and any other means that the AB members feel to be useful in reaching the largest number of project members. Once the proposed membership of the EC is complete, the Advisory Board shall vote to approve the entire slate of proposed members. This procedure will also be followed to elect new EC members when the terms of outgoing members expire (see Section 3. Tenure of the Committee). The ESC recommends that the Board begin accepting volunteers for those positions that are opening up at the start of December or possibly as early as mid-November, select new members and vote on the entire slate of replacement members so that they may be seated without delay on January 1. Should EC members need to be replaced before the regularly scheduled end of term, the appropriate Board member(s) in conjunction with the EC will select replacement members from a pool of volunteers appropriate to the qualifications for the vacant seat. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 15:31:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23790 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07355 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B39B83C24B; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF92B3C23E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port301.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.1]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01066 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025142700.00c3f4c0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:27:12 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 16:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27995 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14590 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9C8093C1FE; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277393C1CB for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Linda (1Cust136.tnt1.broken-arrow.ok.da.uu.net [63.27.16.136]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10455 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <055601c03ebf$36169860$0200a8c0@Linda> From: "Linda Haas Davenport" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:03:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: B) Do Not Accept >.........presently running for office at which > time they must immediately withdraw from the EC mailing list. The words mailing list should be deleted. The individual should withdraw from the committee. Next Section: >Should both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another > Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as > ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. Change to read so that the AB as a whole selects the ex-officio member Should both of them choose to run for office the AB will select another Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. Linda lhaasdav@mindspring.com Home.page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas Marion.Co.AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion List hostess for -h.a.a.s/l.e.w.a.l.l.e.n/w.a.s.h.i.n.g.t.o.n n.c ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > RECOMMENDATIONS > > 2. Formation of the subCommittee: > > Members Eligible For the Committee > > Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for > membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office at which > time they must immediately withdraw from the EC mailing list. This > includes the National Coordinator and the At Large Representative. Should > both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another > Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as > ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. > > === > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 17:15:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07806 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28328 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A2D563C19A; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from bob.propagation.net (bob.propagation.net [63.249.193.1]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA6B3C15D for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computer (ppp65-rch.klondyke.net [208.245.179.81]) by bob.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20369 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01c03ec8$b19cd2c0$51b3f5d0@computer> From: "Shari Handley" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:05 -0400 Organization: Tyaskin Web Designs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) accept as is Shari ----- Original Message ----- From: merope To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:06 PM Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward > > > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is > B) Do not accept > > for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your > acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not > on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better > wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for > consideration. > > Thank you! > > === > > FORWARD > > The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory > Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 > [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special > committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election > process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, > 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and > 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen > from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the > project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The > National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. > > The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on > these areas: > > a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible > positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; > b.Standing Election Committee; > c.Voting mechanism including location and method; > d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or > brought to their attention by others. > > The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the > USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than > 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L > mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four > regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing > lists. > > The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that > would > > 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to > election; > 2.provide accountability; > 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and > 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in > the election process. > > The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable > immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered > recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if > and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in > agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority > opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this > report. > > The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage > members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's > advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose > discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also > invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to > 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb > Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this > URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. > > === > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esc mailing list > Esc@pairlist.net > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:13:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13682 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08932 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D39643C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988473C1DB for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port515.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.215]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08138 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025170855.00bc0100@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:09:25 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >B) Option B Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:15:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13783 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09097 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 80A1D3C1F3; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139653C1F2 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port515.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.215]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08982 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025171015.00c9e4d0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:10:53 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is > >2. Formation of the subCommittee: > >Additional workers: Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:15:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13852 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09188 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id EC5B83C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1662B3C1DB for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port515.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.215]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09391 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025171105.00cdded0@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:11:33 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is > >Selection of Chair and Publicist-Secretary Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:17:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14115 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09461 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8FE633C19A; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from pike.netdoor.com (netdoor.com [208.137.128.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0EA3C126 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me.netdoor.com (port515.jxn.netdoor.com [208.148.193.215]) by pike.netdoor.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10532 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:17:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001025171142.00d29e50@mail.netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@mail.netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:13:31 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Carol C-H Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: >A) Accept as is > >Members Eligible For the Committee > >Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for >membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office at which >time they must immediately withdraw from the EC mailing list. This >includes the National Coordinator and the At Large Representative. Should >both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another >Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as >ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. Carol C-H http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17898 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15363 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 42A973C133; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3A03C163 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.ea.c84239a (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A In a message dated 10/25/00 2:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > A) Accept as is The only suggestion I would make, would be to acknowledge the time extension granted to the ESC by Motion 00-34 upon it's passage. Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 18:58:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18311 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16240 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BE5F53C19C; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f325.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.200]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D0F3C163 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:58:35 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:58:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 22:58:35.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B029A20:01C03ED7] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: ----Original Message Follows---- From: merope Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on these areas: a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; b.Standing Election Committee; c.Voting mechanism including location and method; d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or brought to their attention by others. The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing lists. The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that would 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to election; 2.provide accountability; 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in the election process. The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this report. The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:02:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18702 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17020 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 706D53C19A; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23453C163 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.b3.244555d (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:02:29 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/00 3:21:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > A) Accept as is Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:04:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18961 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17388 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 15EFA3C1DB; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f72.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.72]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457C03C1CE for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:04:17 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:04:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:17 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:04:17.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6AFB720:01C03ED7] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is === OVERVIEW OF ISSUES Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of concern with past elections: 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of the election 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and privacy 3.Lack of trust in EC 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at large 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists 7.Chronic low voter turnout 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity during any election or voting issue. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:06:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19074 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17739 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id A979A3C1CE; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f261.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.136]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C6B3C1AF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:06:20 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:06:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:06:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:06:20.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FB282E0:01C03ED8] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is === RECOMMENDATIONS A. Standing Election subCommittee The Election Study Committee unanimously recommends that the Advisory Board appoint a standing Election subCommittee [EC] within 30 days of receipt of this report. This subCommittee will operate year round. The ESC does not recommend that the Election subCommittee operate under strict parliamentary procedure. We feel that as a "working group" the EC will not benefit by this but will function better under less formal operating procedures. Day to day operating procedures should be determined by the members of the EC. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19792 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18676 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5CAC13C128; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f303.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.178]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B683F3C1CE for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:11:51 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:11:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:51 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:11:51.0960 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5889180:01C03ED8] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: B) Option B --OPTION B-- 2.Formation of the subCommittee: Advisory Board members representing each region (normally one SC representative and two LC representatives) will select two people from a pool of eligible voters within their region who volunteer to serve on the EC. The Special Projects Board members will likewise select two people from eligible voters within the Special Projects who volunteer to serve. At large members of the EC will be selected by the National Coordinator and the Representative at Large, who will each select one individual to serve as "members at large" from a pool of eligible voters from any part of the project who volunteer to serve. The ESC recommends that the Board members solicit for volunteers using State or Special Project mailing lists, Regional mail lists and any other means that the AB members feel to be useful in reaching the largest number of project members. Once the proposed membership of the EC is complete, the Advisory Board shall vote to approve the entire slate of proposed members. This procedure will also be followed to elect new EC members when the terms of outgoing members expire (see Section 3. Tenure of the Committee). The ESC recommends that the Board begin accepting volunteers for those positions that are opening up at the start of December or possibly as early as mid-November, select new members and vote on the entire slate of replacement members so that they may be seated without delay on January 1. Should EC members need to be replaced before the regularly scheduled end of term, the appropriate Board member(s) in conjunction with the EC will select replacement members from a pool of volunteers appropriate to the qualifications for the vacant seat. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19942 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18909 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 21FC13C1CE; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.119]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0C33C128 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:13:11 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:13:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:13:11.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[24AFCBE0:01C03ED9] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is RECOMMENDATIONS 2. Formation of the subCommittee: Members Eligible For the Committee Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office at which time they must immediately withdraw from the EC mailing list. This includes the National Coordinator and the At Large Representative. Should both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:14:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20058 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19048 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0AFBE3C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f182.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.182]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D9C3C1E6 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:14:13 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:14:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:13 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:14:13.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[49BEA4B0:01C03ED9] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is === RECOMMENDATIONS 2. Formation of the subCommittee: Additional workers: If deemed necessary by the EC and approved by the AB, the EC may take on additional workers (as opposed to committee members) during actual election periods which shall be defined as the time from nominations through final vote count although it is the opinion of this committee that such additional workers would probably not be necessary. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:15:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20285 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19315 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 864FD3C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from hotmail.com (f156.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.156]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FCD3C128 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:15:26 -0700 Received: from 63.66.233.104 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:15:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.66.233.104] From: "Esse Frye" To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:26 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2000 23:15:26.0296 (UTC) FILETIME=[7549A580:01C03ED9] Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is === RECOMMENDATIONS 2. Formation of the subCommittee: Selection of Chair and Publicist-Secretary The selection of the EC Chair and the EC Publicist-Secretary will be made by secret ballot sent to the National Coordinator and the AB's At Large Representative for counting and verification. Since the terms for the EC and the terms for the AB and the regular election are not the same time period there should be no difficulty in conducting simple email votes for EC Chair and Publicist-Secretary. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:16:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20372 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19442 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B589B3C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5443C1E6 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.22.cf88f1b (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <22.cf88f1b.2728c3c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:19 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/00 3:46:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > Please read both Option A and Option B below carefully and indicate which > you prefer: > > A) Option A Tina _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:19:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20598 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19968 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 13B003C128; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A448F3C1F6 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.b2.c67e11f (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:19:19 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/00 3:50:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is Tina Vickery _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:20:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20773 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20147 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id AAF8D3C1F2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A923C128 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.14.ab1fff7 (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: <14.ab1fff7.2728c4bf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:20:31 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/00 3:52:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is Tina Vickery _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 19:21:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20850 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20376 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C3C433C1F7; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5C3C128 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TVick65536@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.cb.a95861f (4255) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: TVick65536@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:26 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/00 3:53:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > Please indicate one of the following options: > > A) Accept as is Tina Vickery _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:08:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25379 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28056 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D24DD3C228; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC203C21E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-86.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.86]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26760 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:08:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501c03ee0$62a8cd00$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:21:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26532 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00130 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D9D743C151; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46393C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.120] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:21:31 -0500 Message-Id: <001601c03ee1$cb8f3e20$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:13:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > A) Accept as is Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26840 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01024 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 26AF83C151; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1283C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.7e.c095705 (9614) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.c095705.2728d42e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:22 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 102 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/2000 11:09:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: << Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is B) Do not accept for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === OVERVIEW OF ISSUES Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of concern with past elections: 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of the election 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and privacy 3.Lack of trust in EC 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at large 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists 7.Chronic low voter turnout 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity during any election or voting issue. === >> A) Accept as is Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:26:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26845 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01048 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 488B93C224; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A98F3C1EF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28379 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:26:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009d01c03ee2$e8ada900$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:07:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:26:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26893 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01069 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7E2273C244; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B1B3C21E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28388 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009e01c03ee2$e97eb4a0$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:09:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is. _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:27:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27019 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01118 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9C39F3C1EF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92413C227 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28394 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009f01c03ee2$ea58e800$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:10:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:27:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27031 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01170 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 859913C1EF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427E73C151 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28397 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a001c03ee2$eb1189a0$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Option B _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:27:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27064 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01207 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0ABA83C1EF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75893C228 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28400 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a101c03ee2$ec0d4ec0$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:27:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27076 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01232 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 236F23C1EF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9333C233 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28407 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a201c03ee2$ecc5f060$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:16:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:27:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27086 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01263 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0B4313C151; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from postoffice5.ipa.net (postoffice5.ipa.net [205.218.170.26]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D613C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from youda (pool-4-36.jopl.ipa.net [208.149.43.36]) by postoffice5.ipa.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA28412 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:27:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a301c03ee2$ed7d0b60$562b95d0@youda> From: "Carol" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:18:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: accept as is _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:28:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27099 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01307 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E81503C1EF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F303C151 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.38.d22de04 (9614) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <38.d22de04.2728d48c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:27:56 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 102 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Mary Ann In a message dated 10/25/2000 11:07:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: << === FORWARD The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on these areas: a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; b.Standing Election Committee; c.Voting mechanism including location and method; d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or brought to their attention by others. The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing lists. The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that would 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to election; 2.provide accountability; 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in the election process. The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this report. The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. === >> _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:29:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27161 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01429 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0734C3C151; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2033C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.139]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001026002932.XYVC2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:29:32 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001025175639.00ab1288@mail.packnet.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:57:06 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:45 PM 10/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Please read both Option A and Option B below carefully and indicate which >you prefer: > >A) Option A >B) Option B >C) Do not accept either Option A Ellen Pack >for this section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or >non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or >wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. >If you vote for (C), please provide an alternate option for consideration. > >Thank you! > >=== > >RECOMMENDATIONS > >--OPTION A-- > >2.Formation of the subCommittee: > >The By-laws specify that any standing election committee be appointed by >the AB. With that stipulation in mind and endeavoring to reduce adverse >reactions to the selection of a Standing Election Committee the following >is recommended for the selection of the first committee: > >The AB shall publish on the National Webpage, State, Regional, SP, ALL, >CC-L and DISCUSS e-mail lists (and any other avenue appropriate to reach >the most volunteers including, but not limited to, a personal e-mail to >each project volunteer) a brief overview of the formation of a EC and a >request for volunteers for such committee. > > >From the list of volunteers the AB shall select a temporary chairperson of >the committee. The chairperson shall select from the volunteer pool >volunteers to fill the following positions: Two volunteers from each >region, two volunteers from the Special Projects (as a group and not two >volunteers for each special project) and two volunteers to represent the >"at large" region for a total of 12 Standing Election Committee members. > >This list of volunteers shall then be submitted to the AB for approval or >disapproval. The AB shall not be allowed to "pick and choose" any >individual committee member. Should the AB disapprove the slate of members >in its entirety then the AB shall chose a new temporary chairperson and >the process shall be repeated. > >Replacement of EC members due to end of term shall be handled in the same >manner as above. For members who need to be replaced within the term due >to resignation or continuing non-responsiveness, a new member shall be >chosen from the volunteer pool by the EC committee thru a majority vote. >Such majority opinion to be forwarded to the AB for final approval or >disapproval. > >== > >--OPTION B-- > >2.Formation of the subCommittee: > >Advisory Board members representing each region (normally one SC >representative and two LC representatives) will select two people from a >pool of eligible voters within their region who volunteer to serve on the >EC. The Special Projects Board members will likewise select two people >from eligible voters within the Special Projects who volunteer to serve. >At large members of the EC will be selected by the National Coordinator >and the Representative at Large, who will each select one individual to >serve as "members at large" from a pool of eligible voters from any part >of the project who volunteer to serve. The ESC recommends that the Board >members solicit for volunteers using State or Special Project mailing >lists, Regional mail lists and any other means that the AB members feel to >be useful in reaching the largest number of project members. Once the >proposed membership of the EC is complete, the Advisory Board shall vote >to approve the entire slate of proposed members. > >This procedure will also be followed to elect new EC members when the >terms of outgoing members expire (see Section 3. Tenure of the Committee). >The ESC recommends that the Board begin accepting volunteers for those >positions that are opening up at the start of December or possibly as >early as mid-November, select new members and vote on the entire slate of >replacement members so that they may be seated without delay on January 1. > >Should EC members need to be replaced before the regularly scheduled end >of term, the appropriate Board member(s) in conjunction with the EC will >select replacement members from a pool of volunteers appropriate to the >qualifications for the vacant seat. > >=== > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:29:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27167 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01433 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 23CB73C21E; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4A53C1EF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.139]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001026002934.XYVK2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:29:34 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001025175850.00aa5ef8@mail.packnet.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:06:09 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:50 PM 10/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Please indicate one of the following options: > >A) Accept as is >B) Do not accept Accept as is. Ellen Pack >for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your >acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not >on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better >wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for >consideration. > >Thank you! > >=== > >RECOMMENDATIONS > >2. Formation of the subCommittee: > >Additional workers: > >If deemed necessary by the EC and approved by the AB, the EC may take on >additional workers (as opposed to committee members) during actual >election periods which shall be defined as the time from nominations >through final vote count although it is the opinion of this committee that >such additional workers would probably not be necessary. > >=== > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:30:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27209 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01527 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 8D3413C133; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F303C224 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.139]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001026002935.XYVV2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:29:35 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001025180013.00ac6658@mail.packnet.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:06:15 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:51 PM 10/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Please indicate one of the following options: > >A) Accept as is >B) Do not accept Accept as is. Ellen Pack >for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your >acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not >on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better >wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for >consideration. > >Thank you! > >=== > >RECOMMENDATIONS > >2. Formation of the subCommittee: > >Selection of Chair and Publicist-Secretary > >The selection of the EC Chair and the EC Publicist-Secretary will be made >by secret ballot sent to the National Coordinator and the AB's At Large >Representative for counting and verification. Since the terms for the EC >and the terms for the AB and the regular election are not the same time >period there should be no difficulty in conducting simple email votes for >EC Chair and Publicist-Secretary. > > === > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:31:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27270 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01676 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 304293C151; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076B53C227 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ellenpack ([12.75.196.139]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20001026002936.XYWB2291.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@ellenpack> for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:29:36 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20001025180059.00ae9cb8@mail.packnet.net> X-Sender: e.j.pack@postoffice.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:06:19 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Ellen Pack Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: At 03:52 PM 10/25/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Please indicate one of the following options: > >A) Accept as is >B) Do not accept Accept as is. Ellen Pack >for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your >acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not >on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better >wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for >consideration. > >Thank you! > >=== > >RECOMMENDATIONS > >2. Formation of the subCommittee: > >Members Eligible For the Committee > >Any member of the project who is eligible to vote is eligible for >membership in the EC unless they are presently running for office at which >time they must immediately withdraw from the EC mailing list. This >includes the National Coordinator and the At Large Representative. Should >both of them choose to run for office, they shall together select another >Board member who is not currently running for office to serve as >ex-officio member of the EC until after the election. > >=== > > > >_______________________________________________ >Esc mailing list >Esc@pairlist.net >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:31:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27327 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01766 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CF6783C166; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777203C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.120] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:30:50 -0500 Message-Id: <007001c03ee3$18ac0980$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:24:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is Jerimiah > 2. Formation of the subCommittee: _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:32:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27501 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01884 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 387433C169; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71093C151 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.120] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: <007601c03ee3$2d764d80$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:24:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > A) Accept as is Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:33:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27583 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01964 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3C26E3C133; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from mhub3.tc.umn.edu (mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF003C166 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.101.249.120] by mhub3.tc.umn.edu for esc@pairlist.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:32:03 -0500 Message-Id: <007c01c03ee3$440d6240$23885ea0@tc.umn.edu> From: "Jerimiah Moerke" To: References: Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:25:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: > A) Accept as is Jerimiah _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:39:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28132 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02748 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0E89E3C133; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D8193C151 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.28]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001026003912.LESR425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:39:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001025204423.00c623b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:45:22 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A At 07:09 PM 10/25/00 -0400, you wrote: >B) Do not accept >for the following section of the ESC Report. >" a Chair and a Publicist," Instead of Publicist, how about Secretary? as we touched on earlier, how about Secretary/Publicist ??? _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:47:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28814 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04180 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5698D3C140; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5593C133 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.28]) by invictus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20001026004702.LMHP425.invictus@pooh.bright.net> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001025205144.00bb5ba0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:53:13 -0500 To: esc@pairlist.net From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] barometer Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: as of 8:45 PM Wednesday evening Eastern time the voting is as shown at http://www.timmweb.pair.com/esc/esc.gif I'll try to keep the image updated... (ps, remember you aren't seeing me vote cause as chair I don;t get to unless there is a tie) Holly _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:50:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29147 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04643 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id DC2ED3C2A9; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6CC3C292 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.f9.3ef14ee (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:49:12 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Standing EC To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is In a message dated 10/25/2000 3:21:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: << === RECOMMENDATIONS A. Standing Election subCommittee The Election Study Committee unanimously recommends that the Advisory Board appoint a standing Election subCommittee [EC] within 30 days of receipt of this report. This subCommittee will operate year round. The ESC does not recommend that the Election subCommittee operate under strict parliamentary procedure. We feel that as a "working group" the EC will not benefit by this but will function better under less formal operating procedures. Day to day operating procedures should be determined by the members of the EC. === >> _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:52:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29373 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04961 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 69E273C2AF; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A703C2AC for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.50.c9d4998 (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <50.c9d4998.2728da33@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Composition of EC To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:55:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29553 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05364 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 96D863C2B2; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C770E3C2B5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.b7.7f062f0 (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:55:17 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: In a message dated 10/25/2000 3:46:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: << >> A) Option A Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:57:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29623 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05507 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BFB8E3C2BB; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r06.mail.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E603C2B9 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.f2.3e5c371 (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:56:30 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #2 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:58:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29798 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05709 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id D90AD3C2C3; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-r13.mail.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6793C2BD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.7b.b3d92cb (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <7b.b3d92cb.2728db7c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:57:32 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #3 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 20:59:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29885 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05803 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 97BEC3C2C5; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424CB3C2BF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id s.56.265f172 (4465) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Message-ID: <56.265f172.2728dbba@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:58:34 EDT Subject: Re: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE--Recommendations-Formation of the EC #4 To: esc@pairlist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 125 Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: A) Accept as is Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 21:30:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02467 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10585 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3E3EC3C22E; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5CC3C1F6 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (A010-0238.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.76.238]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id UAA42603212 Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is -----Original Message----- From: esc-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:esc-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of merope Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:07 PM To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE---Forward Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is B) Do not accept for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === FORWARD The Election Study Committee [ESC] was appointed by the USGenWeb Advisory Board on September 12, 2000 under Motion 00-28 [http://www.usgenweb.com/official/boardvotes-00-7.html#00-28] as a special committee directed to study and make recommendations about the election process within The USGenWeb Project. The ESC was formed on September 15, 2000 and consisted of 5 Advisory Board members, 5 State Coordinators, and 10 County Coordinators. The members of the committee were purposely chosen from a broad spectrum of individuals and viewpoints represented within the project and their names are appended to the end of this report. The National Coordinator, Mr. Tim Stowell, served as an ex-officio member. The ESC was charged to discuss and make recommendations to the Board on these areas: a.Eligibility for voting including, but not limited to, eligible positions, definition of good standing, cutoff dates; b.Standing Election Committee; c.Voting mechanism including location and method; d.Any and all other election issues brought up by the committee members or brought to their attention by others. The ESC was required to file a formal report of its findings to the USGenWeb Advisory Board and the USGenWeb Project membership no later than 6 weeks from its appointment. This report will be posted to the BOARD-L mailing list, as well as the STATE-COORD-L mailing list, and to the four regional lists for dissemination to each state XXGenWeb Project mailing lists. The goal of the ESC was primarily to recommend election procedures that would 1.institute an election procedure that will be consistent from election to election; 2.provide accountability; 3.encourage more project members to participate in elections; and 4.provide both the appearance and the reality of political neutrality in the election process. The Committee chose to recommend procedures that would be workable immediately within the structure of the current Bylaws. We also considered recommendations for changes to the Bylaws for additional improvement if and when such changes were made. Although most members of the ESC were in agreement on the following recommendations there are some minority opinions on some issues which are included in relevant sections of this report. The Committee operated under a privacy guideline designed to encourage members to speak freely, make suggestions, and even play "devil's advocate". Meetings were conducted on a private email list in a loose discussion format with occasional votes taken on specific topics. We also invited public input by means of a survey. The survey received close to 300 responses for which we thank the general membership of the USGenWeb Project. To see a summary of the results of this survey, please visit this URL: http://www.pa-roots.com/esc/escsurvey.html. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 21:30:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02475 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10591 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 077813C24B; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7853C242 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (A010-0238.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.76.238]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id UAA45233873 Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:26:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Reply-To: esc@pairlist.net Sender: esc-admin@pairlist.net Errors-To: esc-admin@pairlist.net X-BeenThere: esc@pairlist.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) Precedence: bulk List-Id: Election Study Status: RO X-Status: Accept as is -----Original Message----- From: esc-admin@pairlist.net [mailto:esc-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of merope Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:09 PM To: esc@pairlist.net Subject: [ESC] Re: PLEASE VOTE---Overview Please indicate one of the following options: A) Accept as is B) Do not accept for the following section of the ESC Report. Please indicate your acceptance or non-acceptance of this section based on basic concepts, not on style or wording; however, please do include any suggestions for better wording. If you vote for (B), please provide an alternate option for consideration. Thank you! === OVERVIEW OF ISSUES Based on the membership survey, the Report of the former Election Committee, and our personal experience, the ESC identified these areas of concern with past elections: 1.Too short a time frame between seating the committee and the start of the election 2.Longstanding concerns with voting mechanism's neutrality, security, and privacy 3.Lack of trust in EC 4.Lack of communication from the EC to the Board and to the project at large 5.Lack of oversight of the EC by the Board or the project 6.Difficulties in getting voter lists 7.Chronic low voter turnout 8.A need for clearer more explicit voting instructions Also identified as a problem in the last election was what may be described as "Unfair response to allegations of "vote packing"." Although some measures have been identified in our report to help curtail the possibility of "vote packing", it is the unanimous opinion of this Committee that there is no realistic means of controlling this practice in every conceivable situation without adversely and unfairly affecting members who are not vote-packing. Therefore, the ESC calls upon all members of the Project to conduct themselves with honesty and integrity during any election or voting issue. === _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc _______________________________________________ Esc mailing list Esc@pairlist.net http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/esc From esc-admin@pairlist.net Wed Oct 25 21:36:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03084 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pairlist.net (pairlist.net [216.92.1.92]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11638 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pairlist.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7BD703C1CD; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: esc@pairlist.net Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE96A3C121 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (A010-0238.MNAS.splitrock.net [209.156.76.238]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id UAA41352828 Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:32:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: Subject: RE: [ESC] PLEASE VOTE: Recommendations--Formation of the EC Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:37:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Pro