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Thu Jun 06 07:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g56062V2020978 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g56061JI021803 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hK4NmsqDYBDcXo+15G9kAk3bffqVf69BN4uaP9oB9+QV5EMBbOOPlw=="> Received: (from meadowlark7@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G4K2U87G; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:04:54 EDT To: merope@radix.net Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:02:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Guidelines committee report for the week ending June 2 2002 Message-ID: <20020605.190350.-450363.3.Meadowlark7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3-4,10-24,28-36,38-40,42-45,55-61,63-64,67-72 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: MJ Houser X-UIDL: W#:!!RNh"!+X[!!T3H!! Hi Teresa, A couple of us discussed some of these items on our state email list, and our SC Connie Snyder suggested we send our comments to you. So here goes. In setting up guideline or requirements, we need to keep in the mind the purpose of the USGenWeb Project. It isn't to show off our skill at designing and building fancy web-pages, but to provide help and resources for our readers, folks who are interested in history and genealogy. With that in mind, it becomes easier to evaluate the requirements and recommendations. > > The Committee voted in favor of requiring LCs to provide a valid > contact email address on their USGenWeb page. That seems essential. > Page Design: The Committee discussed a variety of resources that > could be > recommended as additions to the websites, including site-wide > search > > engines, guestbooks, counters and updated-on dates. The Committee > is in > > general agreement that search engines should be be recommended for > > inclusion on USGenWeb page. Search engines are very very useful. When we didn't have much data on our sites, it was easy to read through it all. But as we are adding more and more primary resources, a search engine becomes essential. I think they should be strongly encouraged. > The Committee also discussed a recommendation > > that Local Coordinators be encouraged to keep their page design > simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, slow dial-up > connections, and/or accessibility issues. This item continues under > discussion and > currently suggested wording for this recommendation is as follows: > "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, > etc. to your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for > the benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn > off or bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has > a page of some useful design tips to help you get started at > ." Personally, as a reader/visitor, I am annoyed by music (I prefer to listen to the music of my choice, which I usually do when I'm on the computer, and not to music of the webmaster's choice.) and my animations. Part of my annoyance with animations is the visual interruption, but also by the time it takes to load -- the latter holds true for graphics and java applets. I just avoid re-visiting pages that take long to load. I'm personally interested in "content, content and content" -- I don't think that pages have to be stark or un-attractive, but if I have to wait a long time to get the content I want, I'm not likely to return to that site. > Source Data: The Committee discussed the idea of encouraging LCs > to transcribe source data and/or provide a place on the local website > for the storage of transcribed source data. This item continues under > discussion. This fits exactly with our purpose for our county sites. I'm always looking for source data. Thanks, Teresa, to you and the committe for working on these details. You deserve a lot of credit and appreciation, whether or not you ever get any. :-) Mona Houser Meadowlark7@juno.com Buffalo Co. Coordinator, NEGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebuffal/ - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From ???@??? Thu Jun 06 07:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g560BvV2021389 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g560BuJI022496 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 20:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hK4NmsqDYBDcXo+15G9kAk3bffqVf69BBkzVn/Qrh/spkVQ1r3pc2g=="> Received: (from meadowlark7@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G4K288GE; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:11:27 EDT To: merope@radix.net Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:10:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Guidelines committee report for the week ending June 2 2002 Message-ID: <20020605.191049.-450363.4.Meadowlark7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-18,20,22,24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: MJ Houser X-UIDL: [l$!!HQm!!D8N!!~di!! Hi Teresa, One more quick comment, about the logos. Several years ago, there was a logo that I think was designed to not exclude Alaska and Hawaii. Whatever its purpose was, it's the logo that I find most attractive, and I have it on my Buffalo County NEGenWeb site. But it is no longer listed among the "official logos." You can see it at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebuffal/ Is there any chance that it could again be included? Sincerely, Mona ---- REQUIREMENTS: 1. LOGO All websites shall include prominent display of The USGenWeb Project logo on the home page. It is recommended that you display the logo near the top of your USGenWeb page. You will find official USGenWeb Project logos at ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From ???@??? Sat Jun 01 15:29:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51GkMFs009532 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51GkLJI003408 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51GjTQ24653; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:45:29 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:45:29 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Sat Jun 1 10:45:29 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:44:26 +0000 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020529150023.0371dc50@getmail.eastman.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/660 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: M0$"!]!C"!TX&"!(b$"! At 08:05 AM 6/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 03:03 PM 5/29/02 -0400, Morgan Edward Johnson wrote: > >1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place >to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes, definitely, absolutely. I don't want to host a web site of just links, addresses to various vital statistic areas or look up volunteers. Question, why should I put source material in the archives when the researchers can get it at my web site without having to go somewhere else? That is why I volunteered, to give the researchers as much info as possible at one site. They can get lost if we shuttle them back and forth. If I have source material I'll post it on my web sites and I would certainly recommend that other LCs do the same. > >2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it >is possible for them to do so? Yes, if they are so inclined. If they do so I would recommend they place it on their own web site. If the researchers go there for information, why send them somewhere else. > >3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of >transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? Tough question, are the archives a part of the USGenWeb Project? When that question is answered to my satisfaction I would only recommend submitters send data to the archives if they object to it being stored at the local web site. The rational for the archives has been that too many local sites are abandon with loss of data. Well, it is my belief that the USGenWeb Project might easily loose the entire archives someday. If and when that happens we will have to start from scratch again if we put material in only the archives and not on our local sites. I would recommend placing source material at both the local site and the archives if one is inclined to place material in the archives. >I would greatly appreciate it if everyone could answer these questions by >the end of next week (June 8). These are not mutually exclusive questions >and you are free to add any explanatory comments or suggestions that you'd >like. Whatever we decide will be a big addition to the guidelines, and I >think it would benefit from more discussion. > >Thanks! > >-Teresa > From ???@??? Sat Jun 01 15:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51CATFs024599 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51CASJI008185 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51C6KE18685; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 06:06:20 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 06:06:20 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Sat Jun 1 06:06:20 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <149.f4ec8b6.2a2a12b7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:06:15 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Page Design Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/658 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: #fb"!jAV"!o26!!m'#"! In a message dated 6/1/02 6:47:25 AM US Eastern Standard Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to > your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the > benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or > bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page of > > some useful design tips to help you get started at > Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51FgFFs005773 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51FgEJI027481 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51FfO616272; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:41:24 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:41:24 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sat Jun 1 09:41:24 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c20982$9e294b20$f377fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/659 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: b7J!!?LF"!m*K"!]3V"! >>1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes >>2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it is possible for them to do so? I have no objection but I think it might scare some who know they won't be transcribing so I'd want it to be VERY carefully worded. >>3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? No. In theory I favor it but under the current conditions I would not do it, go with #1 instead. The paragraph on page design, turning extras off, etc. is fine. Cheryl From ???@??? Sun Jun 02 08:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LHfFs024468 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LHeJI028547 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51LGWo17208; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:16:32 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:16:32 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sat Jun 1 15:16:32 2002 Message-ID: <017601c209b1$8b26ea80$71bb41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/661 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ]Oj"!$OQ"!%pF"!R6i"! From: "merope" To: > 1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place > to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes, I believe that is what the researcher is looking for. Just links and addresses - doesn't get it. I have a very heavy duty info site here where I live and an adjoining county has links and addresses. You won't believe how many times I have been told - they wish I had that county too.... > 2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it > is possible for them to do so? Yes, I think they either need to transcribe or have others transcribe. I do many out of my area sites and if you have a good repore with the researchers, they are more than happy to help with source data. > > 3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of > transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? NO, absolutely not. I think this needs to go on the sites. Actually the only thing I believe should go some where is the Census. It is very large and cumbersome - however I do have some of that on my pages also, and am particular about which Census project. I work with one as a state coordinator. From ???@??? Sun Jun 02 08:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LJ4Fs024529 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LJ3JI028623 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51LI4n20771; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:18:04 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:18:04 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sat Jun 1 15:18:04 2002 Message-ID: <017c01c209b1$d177b5a0$71bb41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020530062934.00aaea50@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075153.009ede90@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Page Design Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/662 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: :c0"!7O9"!)OK!!4--!! Sounds fine by me..... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" > Here is some new suggested wording: > > "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to > your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the > benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or > bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page of > some useful design tips to help you get started at > ." > > I can't find an accessibility site that I want to plow through, so I > removed the section recommending an url for it. > > Does this work for everyone? Anyone have any further suggestions? > > -Teresa > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 02 08:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LbsFs025639 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LbrJI000255 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51LXv712053; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:33:57 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:33:57 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Sat Jun 1 15:33:56 2002 Message-ID: <3CF93D7D.2D559BE@sampubco.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:32:45 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/663 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: R;!"!k^E!!TbQ"!4"2!! My replies in between with comments: 1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place to store transcribed source data at their local site? *IF* they can do it, some non-Rootsweb/usgennet.net ISPs put limits on hidden files. There is no limit to how much files you can stuff in Rootsweb - USGenWeb / WorldGenWeb Project accounts. ABSOLUTE NO LIMITS to the data and files. They limit 100 mb for freepages and personal accounts. (my SAMPUBCO is located on Pcstarnet network and has 200 mb, I'm paying plenty for it, so far has only 21 MB, 99.99 percent in data only and very few image files which are there for information purposes only.) I have over 1,000 files in USGenWeb Archives because I was out of time to have them in html formats for my own county sites at the moment. I intend to have backup copies there at all the times. 2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it is possible for them to do so? a. Yes as long as it is ***possible***. Comments I received in last 2 weeks from various LCs I work with - not all have time or resource to do so, preferring a copy be placed in USGenWeb Archives ASAP. As soon as the LCs have time at any time, they can always contact the submitters for permission to get copy to add to county site. b. From the comments I received, the LCs want the submitters to prepare their copies and send in TEXT FORMAT only. It makes for easy conversion to HTML quickly. (Also it is from my own experince this is the best method.) 3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? Yes as an alternative since good number of the LCs don't want to put in too much time to expand own county database on own county sites. It's not easy to convince the LCs to consider accepting the submissions. This is from MY OWN EXPERIENCE negotiating with them in behalf of my SAMPUBCO customers. W. David Samuelsen From ???@??? Sun Jun 02 08:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LcXFs025662 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g51LcWJI000308 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g51LbWn16696; Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:37:32 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:37:32 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Sat Jun 1 15:37:32 2002 Message-ID: <3CF93DD4.A6BA13DA@sampubco.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:34:12 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> <017601c209b1$8b26ea80$71bb41d8@JanCortez> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2bLZVB.A.nEE.c6T-8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/664 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: @!R!!gQn"!8/$!!&(F!! as for census - I have no problem having 1870 and 1880 Baker County census on my county. Easy to convert them from text to html. Yes it is time consuming transcribing them but once done, convert from text to html. David Jan Cortez wrote: > > From: "merope" > To: > > 1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a > place > > to store transcribed source data at their local site? > > Yes, I believe that is what the researcher is looking for. Just links and > addresses - doesn't get it. I have a very heavy duty info site here where I > live and an adjoining county has links and addresses. You won't believe how > many times I have been told - they wish I had that county too.... > > > 2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it > > is possible for them to do so? > > Yes, I think they either need to transcribe or have others transcribe. I do > many out of my area sites and if you have a good repore with the > researchers, they are more than happy to help with source data. > > > > 3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of > > transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? > > NO, absolutely not. I think this needs to go on the sites. Actually the > only thing I believe should go some where is the Census. It is very large > and cumbersome - however I do have some of that on my pages also, and am > particular about which Census project. I work with one as a state > coordinator. From ???@??? Sun Jun 02 09:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g52CrqFs012742 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g52CrpJI016721 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 08:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g52Cqne22554; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:52:49 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 06:52:49 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 2 06:52:49 2002 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 09:01:44 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines , BOARD-L@rootsweb.com, Daily Board Show , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020602090001.00a56550@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Guidelines committee report for the week ending June 2 2002 Resent-Message-ID: <9DPqiC.A.TgF.hUh-8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/665 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: f9k"!2?A!!bnG"!1F7!! Permission to forward where appropriate is granted. GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 1 2002 === On May 25 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. No comments were received. - Contact Information: Two weeks ago the Committee began discussion of a requirement that the LCs provide contact information on their web pages. The Committee voted in favor of requiring LCs to provide a valid contact email address on their USGenWeb page. Appropriate language was added to the working document. - Welcome to the Project: On May 26, the Committee started discussion of the brief welcome message included at the end of the current guidelines. The Committee was in favor of retaining the paragraph and altering the wording slightly. The new wording has been added to the working document. - Miscellaneous: On May 26, the Committee initiated discussion of several miscellaneous items that could be included as recommendations in the revised guidelines: Page Design: The Committee discussed a variety of resources that could be recommended as additions to the websites, including site-wide search engines, guestbooks, counters and updated-on dates. The Committee is in general agreement that search engines should be be recommended for inclusion on USGenWeb page. The Committee also discussed a recommendation that Local Coordinators be encouraged to keep their page design simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, slow dial-up connections, and/or accessibility issues. This item continues under discussion and currently suggested wording for this recommendation is as follows: "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page of some useful design tips to help you get started at ." Source Data: The Committee discussed the idea of encouraging LCs to transcribe source data and/or provide a place on the local website for the storage of transcribed source data. This item continues under discussion. === The current version of the working document is posted at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 06:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g533wfFs003985 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g533weJI011413 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g533vgk05311; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:57:42 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:57:42 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dcaallen@pacifier.com Sun Jun 2 21:57:41 2002 Message-ID: <200206022055060530.010C67C8@smtp.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075153.009ede90@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020530062934.00aaea50@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075153.009ede90@radix.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:55:06 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Page Design Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/666 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: Aj5"!bo8"!@S`!!7n'#! Works for me. Alice A *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/1/02 at 7:55 AM merope@Radix.Net wrote: >Here is some new suggested wording: > >"You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to >your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the >benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or >accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or >bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page >of >some useful design tips to help you get started at >." > >I can't find an accessibility site that I want to plow through, so I >removed the section recommending an url for it. > >Does this work for everyone? Anyone have any further suggestions? > >-Teresa From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 06:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g533wgFs003990 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g533wfJI011416 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g533vib05387; Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:57:44 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:57:44 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dcaallen@pacifier.com Sun Jun 2 21:57:44 2002 Message-ID: <200206022055080610.010C6FF6@smtp.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:55:08 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g533viM05358 Resent-Message-ID: <6jc7ID.A.6TB.4ku-8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/667 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 9#4"!DK?!![VA"!Hng"! *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/1/02 at 8:05 AM merope@Radix.Net wrote: > These are separate issues in sense, so it is possible to tease them apart and make separate >recommendations. So here's a couple of questions: > >1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place >to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes, but it does have to be pretty clear that this is a recommendation only. >2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it is possible for them to do so? Yes, but again, emphasis on "recommending." Transcribing takes lots of time, if they feel they "have to" transcribe, that might keep some from wanting to join us. >3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of >transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? IMHO, at this stage of the game, NO. When it is clear that the USGenWeb Archives really belong to the USGenWeb Project, then I may change my mind, but until that time, I can only recommend they be placed on the County site. Alice A USGenWeb Project CC for Marshall Co., KS Geauga Co., OH Seneca Co., OH Clark Co., WA From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 20:25:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53AqPFs026345 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53AqOJI016563 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g53AmWM14863; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:48:32 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:48:32 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Mon Jun 3 04:48:30 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <28.277c2534.2a2ca375@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:48:21 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/668 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-IMAPbase: 1023121294 11 X-UIDL: nOZ"!\E$#!T7,#!!N9"! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes, but explain what that means for the sake of beginners. > > 2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it > is possible for them to do so? Yes > > 3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of > transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? > > No, I consider the Archives to be a backup or secondary storage. Not > sure of the ownership at this point. Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 20:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53LLQFs022280 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53LLOJI004444 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g53LKPY10992; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:20:25 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Mon Jun 3 15:20:24 2002 Message-ID: <3CFBDD5F.FDB0F5C5@wf.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 16:19:27 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] [Fwd: RE: ADA complaint] Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/669 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: C9=!!#1i!!M58!!36J!! I know that we have already discussed this but it came up on another list and I thought I would give you the information. Richard... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: ADA complaint Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:12:36 -0500 From: "Kimm Antell" To: "ILGenWeb State Coordinator" I have been trying very hard to get ADA compliance put into the county sites, but I think I am going to lose the battle. Many people see it as being too much work. However, since we probably have many users with disabilities, I think that it would be a great thing for us all to do. I usually go to http://www.cast.org/bobby/. There is a really nice checker on that site where you insert your url and it checks it for ADA compliance. For the most part, it is very helpful. As for documentation... well, most of the documentation is huge and not very helpful. It gets into the whole legal point and stuff like that. When I have time, I am going to write up a white paper on the most common ADA compliance issues that users need to know. I am going to post it to the Orphan Counties website as a suggestion and if users wish to follow it, they can. This way, I can put it in layman terms and not have people get lost in all of the legalese. (You might take a look at http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/winter00humanrights/waddell.html. This is the best I have found.) Another thing you can do is download a reader and have it read out your website. That gives you a good way to check to see if it makes sense. Sometimes you may think it works, but it doesn't. Unfortunately, they don't have many free readers out there. IBM has one you can download for a 30-day trial. I looked for about 30 minutes and that was the best I could find. God forbid someone would make something for free for people who are disabled. I hope this helps out. > -----Original Message----- > From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator [mailto:richpump@wf.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 11:19 PM > To: Kimm Antell > Subject: ADA complaint > > > > > Kimm you mention ADA complaint in your e-mail [TXGENWEB] About the COM > Award. I was wondering if you knew any url's that discuss this? Or that > helped CC's to do a better job of making their site ADA complaint. It is > something as SC this I am interested in. Also the USGenWeb guidelines > Committee is also looking at this. Richard... > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 From ???@??? Mon Jun 03 20:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53MRHFs028292 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g53MRGJI012995 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g53MNHd16770; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:23:17 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:23:17 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 3 16:23:17 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] [Fwd: RE: ADA complaint] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:22:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c20b4d$1e820520$f377fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3CFBDD5F.FDB0F5C5@wf.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/670 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: V,4"!QHR!!fWS"!IkN"! Screen readers are quite expensive -- $600 and up. And then you need a computer with a certain amount of memory as well as other special equipment. Early on, when computers came with 4 MB RAM, the screen readers needed 16 MB that meant a $3,500 computer. Handicapped people, as a general rule, do not have a lot of money. Thus they may not have the most modern screen reader -- they also would do better with pages that have less flash. With screen readers proper punctuation and spelling is also an issue. I am more sensitive to the blind issue but it is certainly not the only one. People with various physical handicaps also use screen readers. Cheryl From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 06:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g548aaFs010016 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g548aZJI015735 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g548ZnM09864; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:35:49 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:35:49 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Tue Jun 4 02:35:49 2002 Message-ID: <3CFC7B96.58B60A5C@sampubco.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:34:30 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] [Fwd: RE: ADA complaint] References: <000301c20b4d$1e820520$f377fea9@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/671 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 0S8!!1&D"!=l > Screen readers are quite expensive -- $600 and up. And then you need a > computer with a certain amount of memory as well as other special > equipment. Early on, when computers came with 4 MB RAM, the screen > readers needed 16 MB that meant a $3,500 computer. Handicapped people, > as a general rule, do not have a lot of money. Thus they may not have > the most modern screen reader -- they also would do better with pages > that have less flash. With screen readers proper punctuation and > spelling is also an issue. > > I am more sensitive to the blind issue but it is certainly not the only > one. People with various physical handicaps also use screen readers. > > Cheryl From ???@??? Tue Jun 04 06:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5492fFs011221 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5492eJI018026 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 05:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5491rb26774; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:01:53 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:01:53 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Tue Jun 4 03:01:53 2002 Message-ID: <3CFC81BD.A7971C8@sampubco.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 03:00:45 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Guidelines-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Better one - Resent-Message-ID: <3tXBJD.A.FiG.BII_8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/672 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 4Af"!3 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g55EvkFs026857 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g55EvjJI010873 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Masontree@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id o.55.283c406a (16781); Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:57:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Masontree@aol.com Message-ID: <55.283c406a.2a2f80d8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:57:28 EDT Subject: USGenWeb page requirements, suggestions To: merope@radix.net, NEGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 X-UIDL: Gk)#!g9G"!!+^"!n$Q"! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Teresa Lindquist & NEGenWeb, Personal reaction [my comments in square brackets] to the list of proposed county web site "page" features, requirements, etc., by USGenWeb. [just me venting, probably] "Page Design: The Committee discussed a variety of resources that could be recommended as additions [since most co. sites have them, they are not additions] to the websites, ...." 1. including site-wide search engines [I find these very useful] 2. guestbooks [I find these useless] 3. counters [??? good for egos on high traffic counties] 4. updated-on dates [I believe this depends on type of page, probably useless on 1854 Census page]. 5. page design simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, slow dial-up connections, and/or accessibility issues. [I have only had two people tell me they could not access some of my county sites in the last three years] 6. music [probably a mixed bag in terms of beliefs] 7. animations [probably a mixed bag in terms of beliefs] 8. java applets [I use several and have not had any complaints] 9. graphics [Image size (byte count) is a major problem and NEGenWeb should encourage a process that helps us all accomplish minimizing byte count] 10. Visitors should be able to turn off or bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page of some useful design tips to help you get started at ." [explicit examples of code for each "turn on/off" task should be given on this page] 11. Source Data: The Committee discussed the idea of encouraging LCs to transcribe source data .... [I believe every NEGenWeb site has some of this type of data online--seems a moot point--genealogy without source data is usless.] 12. [Note they did not mention copyright dates, queries, surnames, etc., seems curious.] I suggest that two people from the NEGenWeb committee mull all this and do a gentle revision on the NEGenWeb requirements page with little or no real concern for what USGenWeb puts on paper. Emmett Mason, CC Butler, Douglas, Greeley, Nemaha, Perkins, Sheridan Co. NEGenWeb From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 07:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g56MUDV2026208 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g56MUCJI024296 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g56MTD821016; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:29:13 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:29:13 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Thu Jun 6 16:29:13 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606182808.00a2ea40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:30:55 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Resent-Message-ID: <9EB4WC.A.RIF.5I-_8@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/673 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: "a;!!(m0"!g(^!!C]V!! emphasize that cc's should exercise more responsibility for communicating to the state level and decrease their expectations that the sc attach a gps device to each of them.... many seem to expect the SC's to magically devine that they have changed their emails or understood without being told why they are absent, etc cetera From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 07:32:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g573NHV2018630 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g573NGJI025962 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 23:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g573LfX03357; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:21:41 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:21:41 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Thu Jun 6 21:21:41 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606232106.021b14c0@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 23:22:34 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606182808.00a2ea40@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/674 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ,]G!!njI!!6oA"!a78"! This is, of course, a general rule of thumb for how human beings should behave, but it sounds as if this person has a specific beef. There's not really anything in this point that could be made into a guideline that isn't already in practice. Morgan At 06:30 PM 6/6/2002, you wrote: >emphasize that cc's should exercise more responsibility for communicating >to the state level and decrease their expectations that the sc attach a >gps device to each of them.... many seem to expect the SC's to magically >devine that they have changed their emails or understood without being >told why they are absent, etc cetera > From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 07:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g576iPV2000773 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g576iOJI014689 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g576gnM08821; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:42:49 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:42:49 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Fri Jun 7 00:42:44 2002 Message-ID: <3D005599.9B5225B1@sampubco.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 00:41:29 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606232106.021b14c0@mail.usroots.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/675 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 8a(!!,FN"!UCB!!GET!! He's not alone! Holly probably has share of hers, too. David Morgan Edward Johnson wrote: > > This is, of course, a general rule of thumb for how human beings should > behave, but it sounds as if this person has a specific beef. > > There's not really anything in this point that could be made into a > guideline that isn't already in practice. > > Morgan > > At 06:30 PM 6/6/2002, you wrote: > > >emphasize that cc's should exercise more responsibility for communicating > >to the state level and decrease their expectations that the sc attach a > >gps device to each of them.... many seem to expect the SC's to magically > >devine that they have changed their emails or understood without being > >told why they are absent, etc cetera > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 07 08:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57Bo1V2017072 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57BnxJI011891 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g57BkOC22568; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:46:24 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 05:46:24 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Fri Jun 7 05:46:23 2002 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:51:15 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020607074941.00a5b1b0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: Guidelines committee report for the week ending June 2 2002 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/676 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: EM9"!*>$#!9eY!!YnX"! A set of comments from some folks in the Project. -Teresa >To: merope@radix.net >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:02:00 -0500 >Subject: Re: Guidelines committee report for the week ending June 2 2002 >X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 > > >Hi Teresa, >A couple of us discussed some of these items on our state email list, and >our SC Connie Snyder suggested we send our comments to you. So here >goes. > >In setting up guideline or requirements, we need to keep in the mind the >purpose of the USGenWeb Project. It isn't to show off our skill at >designing and building fancy web-pages, but to provide help and resources >for our readers, folks who are interested in history and genealogy. With >that in mind, it becomes easier to evaluate the requirements and >recommendations. > > > > The Committee voted in favor of requiring LCs to provide a valid > > contact email address on their USGenWeb page. >That seems essential. > > > Page Design: The Committee discussed a variety of resources that > > could be > > recommended as additions to the websites, including site-wide > > search > > > engines, guestbooks, counters and updated-on dates. The Committee > > is in > > > general agreement that search engines should be be recommended for > > > inclusion on USGenWeb page. > >Search engines are very very useful. When we didn't have much data on >our sites, it was easy to read through it all. But as we are adding more >and more primary resources, a search engine becomes essential. I think >they should be strongly encouraged. > > > The Committee also discussed a recommendation > > > that Local Coordinators be encouraged to keep their page design > > simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, slow dial-up > > connections, and/or accessibility issues. This item continues under > > discussion and > > currently suggested wording for this recommendation is as follows: > > "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, > > etc. to your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple >for > > the benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn > > off or bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb >has > > a page of some useful design tips to help you get started at > > ." > >Personally, as a reader/visitor, I am annoyed by music (I prefer to >listen to the music of my choice, which I usually do when I'm on the >computer, and not to music of the webmaster's choice.) and my animations. > Part of my annoyance with animations is the visual interruption, but >also by the time it takes to load -- the latter holds true for graphics >and java applets. I just avoid re-visiting pages that take long to load. > I'm personally interested in "content, content and content" -- I don't >think that pages have to be stark or un-attractive, but if I have to wait >a long time to get the content I want, I'm not likely to return to that >site. > > > Source Data: The Committee discussed the idea of encouraging LCs > > to transcribe source data and/or provide a place on the local website > > for the storage of transcribed source data. This item continues under > > discussion. > >This fits exactly with our purpose for our county sites. I'm always >looking for source data. > >Thanks, Teresa, to you and the committe for working on these details. >You deserve a lot of credit and appreciation, whether or not you ever get >any. :-) From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 06:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57C50V2018104 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57C4xJI013418 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g57C0mT00687; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:00:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:00:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Fri Jun 7 06:00:46 2002 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:58:01 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member In-reply-to: <3D005599.9B5225B1@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020607075703.00a5db50@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020606232106.021b14c0@mail.usroots.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5ZlrZ.A.lK.wBKA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/677 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: Am%"!?-?!!P9^"!;[X!! At 12:41 AM 6/7/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >He's not alone! Holly probably has share of hers, too. It would not be too difficult to add a brief statement to the "contact" section reminding LCs that they should keep their contact information updated. -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 06:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57CqOV2021293 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57CqMJI018879 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g57CoGW29872; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:50:16 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:50:16 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Fri Jun 7 06:50:15 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <157.f008d8b.2a320601@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:50:09 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/678 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: G<4"!iNd!!\6E!!8::!! In a message dated 6/7/02 7:01:00 AM US Eastern Standard Time, merope@Radix.Net writes: > It would not be too difficult to add a brief statement to the "contact" > section reminding LCs that they should keep their contact information > updated. > I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a requirement and not a "should". Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 06:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57DAYV2022521 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57DAWJI021026 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g57D6er26647; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:06:40 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:06:40 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Fri Jun 7 07:06:40 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 09:05:37 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01c20e24$07d58340$da65fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020607075703.00a5db50@radix.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/679 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: m;<"!9']"!2e+"!RF^!! I think perhaps in the SC guidelines the SC might do a periodic test mailing to the CCs and see who bounces -- just for safety. -----Original Message----- From: merope [mailto:merope@Radix.Net] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:58 AM To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member At 12:41 AM 6/7/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >He's not alone! Holly probably has share of hers, too. It would not be too difficult to add a brief statement to the "contact" section reminding LCs that they should keep their contact information updated. -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 06:49:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57I7iV2019032 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g57I7gJI029773 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g57I5xg30664; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:05:59 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:05:59 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Fri Jun 7 12:05:58 2002 Message-ID: <3D00F5B8.546167FE@sampubco.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 12:04:40 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member References: <001c01c20e24$07d58340$da65fea9@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/680 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: _75"!I[F!!;H+"!n6~"! that's one of two requirements 1. LC to notify the SC 2. the SC to check at regular intervals to check on mailing tests. 8 are still unaccounted for, in North Carolina from what I saw in the messages. This illustrates the seriousness of the problem. It also compounds the problems for the EC trying to keep up to date email addresses if the SCs and LCs don't keep theirs updated. David Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > I think perhaps in the SC guidelines the SC might do a periodic test > mailing to the CCs and see who bounces -- just for safety. > > -----Original Message----- > From: merope [mailto:merope@Radix.Net] > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:58 AM > To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member > > At 12:41 AM 6/7/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >He's not alone! Holly probably has share of hers, too. > > It would not be too difficult to add a brief statement to the "contact" > section reminding LCs that they should keep their contact information > updated. > > -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 08:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58Bq8V2024346 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58Bq7JI013734 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58BpLu23834; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:51:21 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:51:21 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sat Jun 8 05:51:21 2002 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 07:59:17 -0400 From: merope In-reply-to: <157.f008d8b.2a320601@aol.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/681 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: $DD!!=ZA"!eak!!^\~!! At 08:50 AM 6/7/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: >I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a >requirement and not a "should". Anyone else? The current wording could be changed to the following: "7. CONTACT INFORMATION Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address changes." -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 08 08:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58BtxV2024461 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58BtwJI014038 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58BtBG28991; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:55:11 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 05:55:11 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sat Jun 8 05:55:10 2002 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 08:01:17 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Grab bag! In-reply-to: X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608080037.00a28d80@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020601075832.00ab3ec0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020529150023.0371dc50@getmail.eastman.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020526082645.00a96dc0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/682 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 83?!!MQe!!e4]"!5>/"! > >1) Are you in favor of recommending that Local Coordinators provide a place > >to store transcribed source data at their local site? Yes. > > > >2) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs transcribe source data if it > >is possible for them to do so? Yes. > > > >3) Are you in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of > >transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)? No. -Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58CWbV2026797 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58CWaJI017142 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58CVna21215; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 06:31:49 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 06:31:49 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Sat Jun 8 06:31:49 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:31:35 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/683 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: :fO"!@jo!!Ep,!!TJ="! Indiana has a monthly roll call. LC's have so long to answer the roll call (taking into account the possibility of vacations) and then when two (I think) roll calls are missed the SC starts to investigate. If the email is not up to date, then the roll call message will be returned again causing the SC to investigate. Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether monthly or bimonthly. Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58FcTV2006369 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58FcSJI003330 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58FbfV17246; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:37:41 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:37:41 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sat Jun 8 09:37:41 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c20f02$4157a790$da65fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5t9Ar.A.XNE.FTiA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/684 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: l>]"!joY"!J&g"!&6I"! If it is required it gives the SC a leg to stand on. People who are screwing up don't care of course and legit folks probably don't need to be told but I think it should be there. Cheryl From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IEMV2015539 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IELJI016769 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58IDYt24372; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:34 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:34 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Sat Jun 8 12:13:33 2002 Message-ID: <3D024886.1C323915@sampubco.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:10:14 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/685 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: [Sa"!aki"!'^0!!^P*!! good for me! David merope wrote: > > At 08:50 AM 6/7/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > >I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a > >requirement and not a "should". > > Anyone else? > > The current wording could be changed to the following: > > "7. CONTACT INFORMATION > > Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on > their websites so that > visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are > also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address > changes." > > -Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IEcV2015542 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IEaJI016772 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58IDox25017; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:50 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:13:50 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Sat Jun 8 12:13:49 2002 Message-ID: <3D02490A.EB94743C@sampubco.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:12:26 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <63K-KC.A.oGG.elkA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/686 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 8-g"!VNU!!e,(!!7IZ!! #3 question I am finding more and more are actually steering submitters to Archives to deposit files there. I found out when I contacted the LCs about the will transcripts. One said it is time intensive being reason for steering the primary data there, leaving them for the non-primary data. Can't win on everything. David Samuelsen merope wrote: > > At 08:50 AM 6/7/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > >I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a > >requirement and not a "should". > > Anyone else? > > The current wording could be changed to the following: > > "7. CONTACT INFORMATION > > Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on > their websites so that > visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are > also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address > changes." > > -Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IT7V2016601 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g58IT6JI018053 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g58ISI008863; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:28:18 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 12:28:18 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sat Jun 8 12:28:18 2002 Message-ID: <00b001c20f1a$4250c0b0$8db941d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:28:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/687 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: bV2!!W~c!!_+9"!)D%!! Great!! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" > At 08:50 AM 6/7/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > > >I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a > >requirement and not a "should". > > > Anyone else? > > The current wording could be changed to the following: > > "7. CONTACT INFORMATION > > Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on > their websites so that > visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are > also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address > changes." > > -Teresa > > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g592JGV2012896 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g592JFJI029535 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g592IKi19925; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:18:20 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:18:20 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Sat Jun 8 20:18:19 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:18:09 +0000 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> References: <157.f008d8b.2a320601@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/688 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: /1W"!7XT!!&>)"!\;T"! I have no problem with the intent or wording. Don At 07:59 AM 6/8/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 08:50 AM 6/7/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > >>I think keeping their contact information updated with the SC is a >>requirement and not a "should". > > >Anyone else? > >The current wording could be changed to the following: > >"7. CONTACT INFORMATION > > Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on >their websites so that >visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are >also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address >changes." > >-Teresa > From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 03:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g592VUV2013547 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g592VSJI000603 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g592Ucx07627; Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:30:38 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:30:38 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dcaallen@pacifier.com Sat Jun 8 20:30:38 2002 Message-ID: <200206081927480230.00AAA8FA@smtp.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020608075702.00a6b1a0@radix.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:27:48 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Contact information Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g592UcM07603 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/689 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: )\P"!03<"!3nH!!V1&#! I agree also. Alice A USGenWeb Project CC for Marshall Co., KS Geauga Co., OH Seneca Co., OH Clark Co., WA *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/8/02 at 7:59 AM merope@Radix.Net wrote: >Anyone else? > >The current wording could be changed to the following: > >"7. CONTACT INFORMATION > > Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on >their websites so that >visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are >also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address >changes." > >-Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 06:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g599woV2006382 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 05:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g599wnJI009413 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 05:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g599vuF27542; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:57:56 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:57:56 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 9 03:57:54 2002 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:03:15 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609060116.00a43550@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] New working document Resent-Message-ID: <0t79q.A.JuG.jayA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/691 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: "gl"!%*^!!Vl4"!!`]"! I have posted a new working document at http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt It includes the text changes to the Contact section and adds a new section called "Page Design" to add the approved wording for the page design issues as we discussed. Please let me know if you have any comments on this new version. -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 06:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A0ESV2004062 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A0ERJI022623 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"hK4NmsqDYBDcXo+15G9kAk3bffqVf69BOr9SKKXQBuarg21/92S5bQ=="> Received: (from meadowlark7@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G4WCW7BF; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 20:13:08 EDT To: merope@radix.net Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:07:04 -0500 Subject: Guidelines Committee report Message-ID: <20020609.191527.-228921.2.Meadowlark7@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6,8,10,12,14-18,20,22,24-26,28-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: MJ Houser X-UIDL: B%X!!M Contact Information: The Committee is currently discussing adding a > requirement that Local Coordinators keep their contact address updated with > their State Coordinator. The Contact section of the proposed guidelines > would be reworded as follows: "Local Coordinators are required to provide a > valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if > they need to do so. Local Coordinators are also required to notify their > state coordinators if their email address changes." Excellent! > Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that LCs > provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee was > in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage of > transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe > original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that > circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, so > they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not > requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). That pleases me, too. Mona Meadowlark7@juno.com Buffalo Co. Coordinator, NEGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~nebuffal/ - http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59DnNV2018185 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.79]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59DnMJI028404 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:49:21 -0700 Received: from 169.207.139.254 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:49:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.207.139.254] From: "Ellen- (Genealogy)" To: merope@radix.net Subject: Re: [WIGEN-L] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:49:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2002 13:49:21.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[75702FB0:01C20FBC] X-UIDL: %fZ!!NUn"!oQc"!;Di!! Teresa, In response to this part of your discussions: > > Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that >LCs > > provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee >was > > in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage >of > > transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe > > original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that > > circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, >so > > they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not > > requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs > > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). I believe there should be some minimum requirements regarding the addition of material to the site. Whether it be once a month, once a quarter, or once very six months. I do not agree with the phrase whenever possible. I believe it is always possible to find something to add. Unless I have unusual circumstances here in Wisconsin, I am able, through interlibrary loan, to obtain materials from other states. Through my local library, I have borrowed materials from South Dakota, North Dakota, Iowa, Minnesota, Montana and California. Most of which were early history books that contained early land purchase information, early settlers, history, biographies, etc etc etc. I wholeheartedly believe the more active a site appears, the more researchers will help you with the submission of information. And very often if you ask, they will transcribe for you as well. Thus has been the case with all three of the county sites I maintain. The title an LC is given is coordinator. As such, they aren't required to add the information themselves, but instead coordinate the addition of the materials. I think it is irresponsible on the part of a coordinator to have a site, and do nothing to add new materials, or even update links for that matter. I believe if there is no minimum requirement of adding data, coordinators won't even try. This puts LCs in a difficult position, because even though they know someone will do a better job at the site, they have no cause for removal from the position, because the current LC is meeting the minimum requirements, even though they aren't adding anything to the site, or even updating links. Ellen- Waukesha County, Manitowoc County Wisconsin www.linkstothepast.com > >Please take a moment to look at the latest project report from our >Guidelines Committee. Remember, this will affect you, so let your voice be >heard if you have any concerns. You can contact Teresa directly or myself. > >Jan Cortez >Guidelines Committee > > > Permission to forward where appropriate is granted. > > > > GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 8 2002 > > > > === > > > > On June 2 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Two comments > > were received. One recommended adding a requirement that LCs keep their > > contact information updated with their State Coordinator; this comment >was > > discussed by the committee. The other comment was a generally positive > > response to the recent discussion of page design issues. > > > > - > > > > Contact Information: The Committee is currently discussing adding a > > requirement that Local Coordinators keep their contact address updated >with > > their State Coordinator. The Contact section of the proposed guidelines > > would be reworded as follows: "Local Coordinators are required to >provide >a > > valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them >if > > they need to do so. Local Coordinators are also required to notify >their > > state coordinators if their email address changes." > > > > - > > > > Page Design: The Committee has approved the following wording regarding > > page design: > > > > "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to > > your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the > > benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or > > bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page >of > > some useful design tips to help you get started at > > ." > > > > - > > > > Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that >LCs > > provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee >was > > in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage >of > > transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe > > original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that > > circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, >so > > they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not > > requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs > > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). > > > > === > > > > The current version of the working document is posted > > at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt > > > > Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist > > > > -Teresa Lindquist > > Chair, Guidelines Committee > > Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project > > merope@radix.net > > > > >==== WIGEN Mailing List ==== >Celebrate Wisconsin! >Visit the Trempealeau County WIGenWeb Project Pages >http://www.rootsweb.com/~witrempe/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59F1gV2022945 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from siaar2aa.compuserve.com (siaar2aa.compuserve.com [149.174.40.137]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59F1fJI004657 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id LAA21087 for merope@radix.net; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Sender: Jan_Tripp@compuserve.com Received: from oemcomputer (chi-tgn-goi-vty6.as.wcom.net [216.192.134.6]) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id LAA21035; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000401c20fc6$8dc2f2a0$0686c0d8@oemcomputer> From: "Jan E. Tripp" To: "Jan & Glenn" , References: <002d01c20fba$050e6b80$0bb841d8@JanCortez> Subject: Re: [MIGenWeb] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:01:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-UIDL: _TP!!m:R"!n*M!!ca\!! Hi Jan & Teresa, Just a note to say "thanks" for the committee's work on revising the guidelines. Looks fine to me. I'd hate to think that coordinators use invalid e-mail addresses on purpose but probably good to remind folks to keep their pages current. I'm not sure that requiring street or post office address would make people any more accountable accessible. I work for a large company and we have the same problems when people move and leave no forwarding address with the mail room. It has not changed much since the company adapted an on-line address book a few years back. I think the look-up recommendations are a bit naive regarding securing copyright permissions for anything you look-up for someone. I think there is some room for fair use of materials here. Perhaps recommending limiting look-ups to a name or two, and replying off-list would be acceptable use recommendations. The reference desk at the public library provides a similar service. Jan Tripp Ann Arbor, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" To: ; ; Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: [MIGenWeb] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 > > Please take a moment to look at the latest project report from our > Guidelines Committee. Remember, this will affect you, so let your voice be > heard if you have any concerns. You can contact Teresa directly or myself. > > Jan Cortez > Guidelines Committee > > > Permission to forward where appropriate is granted. > > > > GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 8 2002 > > > > === > > > > On June 2 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Two comments > > were received. One recommended adding a requirement that LCs keep their > > contact information updated with their State Coordinator; this comment was > > discussed by the committee. The other comment was a generally positive > > response to the recent discussion of page design issues. > > > > - > > > > Contact Information: The Committee is currently discussing adding a > > requirement that Local Coordinators keep their contact address updated > with > > their State Coordinator. The Contact section of the proposed guidelines > > would be reworded as follows: "Local Coordinators are required to provide > a > > valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if > > they need to do so. Local Coordinators are also required to notify their > > state coordinators if their email address changes." > > > > - > > > > Page Design: The Committee has approved the following wording regarding > > page design: > > > > "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to > > your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the > > benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or > > accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or > > bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page > of > > some useful design tips to help you get started at > > ." > > > > - > > > > Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that > LCs > > provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee > was > > in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage of > > transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe > > original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that > > circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, > so > > they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not > > requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs > > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). > > > > === > > > > The current version of the working document is posted > > at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt > > > > Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist > > > > -Teresa Lindquist > > Chair, Guidelines Committee > > Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project > > merope@radix.net > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, > front doors, drawers, briefcases, > padlocks, and more. On sale now! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FvNolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59GgXV2008003 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thedam.com (thedam.com [63.229.98.30]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59GgWJI013352 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bushcomputer [63.229.98.150] by thedam.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA03B57030C; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:01:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c20fd3$f31ee700$9662e53f@bushcomputer> From: "Karen Bush" To: References: <002d01c20fba$050e6b80$0bb841d8@JanCortez> Subject: Re: [NYGEN-L] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:33:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-UIDL: =l!#!Wo > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). > > Theresa, I am interested to know why the committee was not in favor of the above. I have been under the impression that they wanted us to work with the archives to build them up. I have some submissions that are difficult to really construct into a sensible page, but can be submitted as a small text file to the archives. I have also had a submitter who was very difficult to work with, because she was so demanding of the finished product and ignorant of basic computer programs and had no conception of the work it took to make the finished page. It's a long story. At that point, it seemed to me that in some situations the Archives are the perfect solution and place for some submissions. Karen Bush Allegany Co., New York GenWeb. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyallega/ From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59H5RV2009171 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59H5PJI015234 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 870162722worldnet.att.net ([12.90.178.242]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020609170523.HSGW19182.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@870162722worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:05:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c20fd7$ba765e20$f2b25a0c@att.net> From: "Lynn E. Calvin" To: Subject: Guidelines Working Document Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:04:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C20FB6.326157E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-UIDL: D8-#!B%J!!;Gm!!!Df"!

The following comments are in response to your request for input.

re: the "working document"

4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the state mailing list.

This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" you wish to refer.

7. CONTACT INFORMATION Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if they need to do so.

Our local guidelines recommend a valid email address be available for each section of the site, so that content-appropriate questions may be directed to the preparer of a particular page. The assumption is that the preparer/transcriber is probably the person most likely to have direct knowledge of the subject matter and will be best able to answer questions about that content.

Having the Local Coordinator's e-mail address on the "home page" invites general questions that would usually be answered by a more thorough examination of the web-site contents.

3. RECOMMENDED LINKS The primary purpose of the USGenWeb Project is to provide information and assistance to researchers and Local Coordinators should include a page or section of links to any useful genealogical resources that will assist researchers in their area.

Your e-mail included "The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)." Then, why have the archives if we aren't going to use them? The posting of transcribed wills, deeds and other documents on several different locations for one county seems counter-productive. Currently one can find wills for our county at the GenWeb Archives and in the RootsWeb message boards (why there, I can't fathom) and probably in several other locations not even remotely affiliated with GenWeb.

Rather than add to the visitor's search for locations, I would rather have one recommended page for inclusion of these transcribed documents. If I were to add a page for these documents, would you then recommend that I ask permission of submitters to other pages to allow me to copy their documents onto my site, to collect from other sites that which the submitter may have good reason for placing elsewhere?

Thanks for your work in preparing and submitting this working doucument. I hope these comments will assist you in its revision and finalization.

Lynn E. Calvin

Saratoga County NY GenWeb coordinator

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Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59JoFV2018115 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59JoEJI029471 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020609195010.OSMM5116.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:50:10 +0000 Received: from [12.64.54.234] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:50:10 +0000 From: DSABQUINN@att.net To: merope@radix.net Subject: LC rules Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:50:10 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020609195010.OSMM5116.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> X-UIDL: )>d!!95(!!E/T!!onL"! when you say lc are you taling about us county coordinators? I thought we were always referred to as CC's. Anyway's I like the changes you are about to make, the only thing I question is the way the page design one was worded. I think it is good enough to have the usgenweb symbol and state genweb symbol on the page, but I think we can place it prominently anywhere on the page, and I also agree that the worded links to those should be on the first page. I also think rootsweb links should be there. Sandy Quinn CC of Athens and Hocking counties in Ohio From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 16:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AHP2V2010590 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thedam.com (thedam.com [63.229.98.30]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AHP1JI007324 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bushcomputer [63.229.98.143] by thedam.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A58434E037E; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c210a3$b88da740$8f62e53f@bushcomputer> From: "Karen Bush" To: "merope" References: <002d01c20fba$050e6b80$0bb841d8@JanCortez> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065617.00a4d060@radix.net> Subject: Re: [NYGEN-L] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:20:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-UIDL: _CM!!&)p"!?>j"!VI%"! Thanks, I understand now. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: "Karen Bush" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [NYGEN-L] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 > At 09:33 AM 6/9/02 -0700, Karen Bush wrote: > > >Theresa, > > > > I am interested to know why the committee was not in favor of the above. > >I have been under the impression that they wanted us to work with the > >archives to build them up. I have some submissions that are difficult to > >really construct into a sensible page, but can be submitted as a small text > >file to the archives. I have also had a submitter who was very difficult to > >work with, because she was so demanding of the finished product and ignorant > >of basic computer programs and had no conception of the work it took to make > >the finished page. It's a long story. At that point, it seemed to me that > >in some situations the Archives are the perfect solution and place for some > >submissions. > > The majority of committee members had serious enough concerns about the > ownership of the Archives, which is privately held, to decide against > recommending it in the Guidelines. > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > > >Karen Bush > >Allegany Co., New York GenWeb. > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyallega/ > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 06:13:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g599waV2006379 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 05:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g599wZJI009406 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 05:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g599vgJ27261; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:57:42 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 03:57:42 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 9 03:57:40 2002 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:05:22 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com, Daily Board Show , Guidelines , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609060324.00a44ec0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Resent-Message-ID: <3ORE3D.A.tpG.VayA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/690 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ,XF"!^&L!!l`~"!8>R"! Permission to forward where appropriate is granted. GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 8 2002 === On June 2 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Two comments were received. One recommended adding a requirement that LCs keep their contact information updated with their State Coordinator; this comment was discussed by the committee. The other comment was a generally positive response to the recent discussion of page design issues. - Contact Information: The Committee is currently discussing adding a requirement that Local Coordinators keep their contact address updated with their State Coordinator. The Contact section of the proposed guidelines would be reworded as follows: "Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if they need to do so. Local Coordinators are also required to notify their state coordinators if their email address changes." - Page Design: The Committee has approved the following wording regarding page design: "You are free to add music, animations, java applets, graphics, etc. to your pages, but you should try to keep your page design simple for the benefit of visitors with older computers, dial-up connections, or accessibility-related issues. Visitors should be able to turn off or bypass any features that they have difficulty with. USGenWeb has a page of some useful design tips to help you get started at ." - Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that LCs provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee was in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage of transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, so they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). === The current version of the working document is posted at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 06:21:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59A5PV2007086 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59A5NJI010125 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 06:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g59A4VE11124; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:04:31 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:04:31 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 9 04:04:30 2002 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:13:40 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609060552.00a411a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Source data Resent-Message-ID: <2uLW9.A.BtC.ugyA9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/692 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: CM^"!jL""!m0)!!)dg!! The final counts for the items regarding storing and transcribing source data that I asked you to provide an opinion on during this week are as follows: Option 1: 7 for, none against Option 2: 7 for, none against Option 3: 1 for, 1 for with a caveat, and 5 against Nearly everyone who was in favor of options 1 and 2 noted that we should be VERY clear that these are recommendations, not requirements. I have worked up some suggested wording for a new section for the "Recommendations" portion of the proposed guidelines: "SOURCE DATA: Local Coordinators are encouraged to provide storage space on their website for the placement of transcriptions of original source data relevant to their site. Additionally, LCs are encouraged to transcribe source data themselves if original documents are available to them and to encourage the submission of transcriptions by other volunteers. LCs are responsible for ensuring that all transcriptions displayed on their site are in compliance with current U.S. copyright law." Sound OK? All comments are of course welcome! -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59DYJV2017435 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59DYIJI027086 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g59DXPe21453; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 07:33:25 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 07:33:25 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sun Jun 9 07:33:25 2002 Message-ID: <003c01c20fba$3f2bbd40$0bb841d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609060552.00a411a0@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Source data Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:33:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8j_ZxB.A.GPF.lk1A9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/693 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 6R6"!9~H!!!;;"!Ekb"! Fine by me.... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" > The final counts for the items regarding storing and transcribing source > data that I asked you to provide an opinion on during this week are as follows: > > Option 1: 7 for, none against > Option 2: 7 for, none against > Option 3: 1 for, 1 for with a caveat, and 5 against > > Nearly everyone who was in favor of options 1 and 2 noted that we should be > VERY clear that these are recommendations, not requirements. I have worked > up some suggested wording for a new section for the "Recommendations" > portion of the proposed guidelines: > > "SOURCE DATA: > > Local Coordinators are encouraged to provide storage space on their website > for the placement of transcriptions of original source data relevant to > their site. Additionally, LCs are encouraged to transcribe source data > themselves if original documents are available to them and to encourage the > submission of transcriptions by other volunteers. LCs are responsible for > ensuring that all transcriptions displayed on their site are in compliance > with current U.S. copyright law." > > Sound OK? All comments are of course welcome! > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59HtwV2011923 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59HtuJI019587 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g59Ht1H19818; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:55:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:55:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sun Jun 9 11:55:01 2002 Message-ID: <008201c20fde$cb346480$30b941d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020609060116.00a43550@radix.net> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:55:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Comments Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/694 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: $hc"!Y_C"!k;8"!;gl"! I am posting to States where I do websites (MI,WI,OH,NY,IA) and am forwarding posts for your perusual, minus identification. Jan COMMENT: > Just a note to say "thanks" for the committee's work on revising the > guidelines. Looks fine to me. > > I'd hate to think that coordinators use invalid e-mail addresses on purpose > but probably good to remind folks to keep their pages current. I'm not sure > that requiring street or post office address would make people any more > accountable accessible. I work for a large company and we have the same > problems when people move and leave no forwarding address with the mail > room. It has not changed much since the company adapted an on-line address > book a few years back. > > I think the look-up recommendations are a bit naive regarding securing > copyright permissions for anything you look-up for someone. I think there is > some room for fair use of materials here. Perhaps recommending limiting > look-ups to a name or two, and replying off-list would be acceptable use > recommendations. The reference desk at the public library provides a similar > service. From ???@??? Sun Jun 09 20:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59Lr3V2025146 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g59Lr2JI010283 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g59Lq3402154; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:52:03 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:52:03 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sun Jun 9 15:52:01 2002 Message-ID: <002101c20fff$e80b7fa0$a0bc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 17:52:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Comments: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/695 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: hV%"!e`^"!*X3!!H8W!! I'm very pleased with comments coming back on this committee. Most are in agreement - but those that are not, or have other comments - I'm forwarding.... Guess I should have been doing this before. Jan > My biggest suggestion to the committee is that there be a requirement > instituted that county pages be updated with a new addition at least > quarterly, and not just changing the dates on the pages. This really isn't > that hard to do, even cc's living a distance away have access to census > data to transcribe, inter-loaned or current newspapers (obit abstracts), etc. > > Perhaps if the pages are not updated in 6 months, the state coordinator has > the option of replacing the cc--that way the sites are encouraged to grow > and not just moulder when someone loses their initial enthusiasm for the > GenWeb Project--and still allows enough time to handle the occasional job > or family crisis. > > Contact info is fine as long as it is a valid e-mail and *not* mailing > address/phone no., etc. From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 06:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A1JUV2008518 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A1JTJI028569 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5A1IVZ22874; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:18:31 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:18:31 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sun Jun 9 19:18:31 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Comments: Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:17:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2101c$9b02dce0$f377fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002101c20fff$e80b7fa0$a0bc41d8@JanCortez> Resent-Message-ID: <4QXHi.A.ElF.n5_A9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/696 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: MXc"!&eh"!JMm!!d!Z"! While I would LIKE CCs to update their pages at least once a month it is folly to require it [although an SC once tried]. Some counties are very small and have very little to update with. Some CCs don't devote their life to their pages. And what are you going to do if they don't update their pages? You can take away their CC title but Rootsweb will NOT take the pages from them so you have to find a new CC who is going to create the pages from scratch. Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 06:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A2jnV2013454 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A2jmJI006753 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5A2ijR24041; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:44:45 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:44:45 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Sun Jun 9 20:44:44 2002 Message-ID: <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 21:44:05 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/697 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: D9_"!QS~!!I%T!!i$~!! I very much doubt that you will get much support for monthly roll calls. There is to much paper work involved on both sides. Twice yearly might be workable, but yearly is most likely. Richard... INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether > monthly or bimonthly. > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- > INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 07:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAqIV2008505 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAqHJI018192 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AApVE02104; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:51:31 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:51:31 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Mon Jun 10 04:51:27 2002 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:54:47 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065337.00a4aec0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Resent-Message-ID: <-_s_FC.A.ug.zSIB9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/701 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: hHT"!VN~!!5$L"!*KK!! Comments from a project member. -Teresa >Teresa, > >In response to this part of your discussions: >> > Source Data: The Committee continues to discuss the recommendation that >>LCs >> > provide transcriptions of source data on their webpages. The Committee >>was >> > in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage of >> > transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe >> > original source data if possible. The Committee recognizes that >> > circumstance may limit the ability of LCs to do either or both of these, >>so >> > they will be in the guidelines as recommendations and not >> > requirements. The Committee was not in favor of recommending that LCs >> > direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM). > >I believe there should be some minimum requirements regarding the addition >of material to the site. Whether it be once a month, once a quarter, or >once very six months. > >I do not agree with the phrase whenever possible. >I believe it is always possible to find something to add. > >Unless I have unusual circumstances here in Wisconsin, I am able, through >interlibrary loan, to obtain materials from other states. Through my >local library, I have borrowed materials from South Dakota, North Dakota, >Iowa, Minnesota, Montana and California. Most of which were early history >books that contained early land purchase information, early settlers, >history, biographies, etc etc etc. > >I wholeheartedly believe the more active a site appears, the more >researchers will help you with the submission of information. And very >often if you ask, they will transcribe for you as well. Thus has been the >case with all three of the county sites I maintain. > >The title an LC is given is coordinator. >As such, they aren't required to add the information themselves, but >instead coordinate the addition of the materials. > >I think it is irresponsible on the part of a coordinator to have a site, >and do nothing to add new materials, or even update links for that matter. > >I believe if there is no minimum requirement of adding data, coordinators >won't even try. This puts LCs in a difficult position, because even >though they know someone will do a better job at the site, they have no >cause for removal from the position, because the current LC is meeting the >minimum requirements, even though they aren't adding anything to the site, >or even updating links. From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 07:16:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAlkV2008227 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAljJI017744 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AAkvf00443; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:46:57 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:46:57 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Mon Jun 10 04:46:56 2002 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:55:58 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065520.00a4bdd0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: [MIGenWeb] Fw: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 8, 2002 Resent-Message-ID: <6xMfuB.A.6F.gOIB9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/699 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: %IN!!9\d!!4]0"!Tk^"! More comments from a project member! -Teresa >Just a note to say "thanks" for the committee's work on revising the >guidelines. Looks fine to me. > >I'd hate to think that coordinators use invalid e-mail addresses on purpose >but probably good to remind folks to keep their pages current. I'm not sure >that requiring street or post office address would make people any more >accountable accessible. I work for a large company and we have the same >problems when people move and leave no forwarding address with the mail >room. It has not changed much since the company adapted an on-line address >book a few years back. > >I think the look-up recommendations are a bit naive regarding securing >copyright permissions for anything you look-up for someone. I think there is >some room for fair use of materials here. Perhaps recommending limiting >look-ups to a name or two, and replying off-list would be acceptable use >recommendations. The reference desk at the public library provides a similar >service. From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 16:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ABSWV2010373 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ABSVJI021237 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ABRji12343; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:27:45 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 05:27:45 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Mon Jun 10 05:27:41 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.28c08610.2a35e726@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:27:34 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: Source data Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: <9X8kQ.A.tAD.w0IB9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/703 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 0Ji!!+3+!!OJO"!V_F!! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 Looks good to me. > SOURCE DATA: > > Local Coordinators are encouraged to provide storage space on their website > > for the placement of transcriptions of original source data relevant to > their site. Additionally, LCs are encouraged to transcribe source data > themselves if original documents are available to them and to encourage the > > submission of transcriptions by other volunteers. LCs are responsible for > ensuring that all transcriptions displayed on their site are in compliance > with current U.S. copyright law." > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 16:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ACE7V2013268 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ACE5JI025660 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ACDKM16416; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:13:20 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:13:20 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Mon Jun 10 06:13:19 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <125.11d45467.2a35f1d9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 08:13:13 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Comments: Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/704 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ;9(!!~-*"!39!#!5H""! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Since we don't require that a LC be in the county or near the county (sometimes not even the state) they host, we can't really put a requirement on additions. What is easy for me to access and someone else can vary greatly. Some LC's may not want to deal with the copyright issues, especially when some historical groups claim the posting of facts only is against the Copyright laws. We can only provide the LC's with the facts of copyright laws, examples of what can be done and the knowledge that researchers appreciate online information. The LC has to make the choice based on their time available and accessible resources. > My biggest suggestion to the committee is that there be a requirement > > instituted that county pages be updated with a new addition at least > > quarterly, and not just changing the dates on the pages. This really > isn't > > that hard to do, even cc's living a distance away have access to census > > data to transcribe, inter-loaned or current newspapers (obit abstracts), > etc. > > > > Perhaps if the pages are not updated in 6 months, the state coordinator > has > > the option of replacing the cc--that way the sites are encouraged to grow > > and not just moulder when someone loses their initial enthusiasm for the > > GenWeb Project--and still allows enough time to handle the occasional job > > or family crisis. > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 16:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AJEoV2021162 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AJEnJI022826 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AJDoM24233; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:50 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:13:50 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 10 13:13:49 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c210b2$d3995660$da65fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/705 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: m-]!!)mf!!\6Z"![/Y!! >4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the >state >mailing list. > >This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" >you >wish to refer. Right. The people in Texas might think they are supposed to be subscribed to the Delaware list otherwise... Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 20:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ALQ0V2004037 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ALPwJI011581 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ALOrb15731; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:24:53 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:24:53 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Mon Jun 10 15:24:52 2002 Message-ID: <000b01c210c5$411a4e80$98bb41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:24:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/706 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: N(J!!_7-!!,+0"!V6F!! Michigan Roll Calls Monthly. In fact Michigan is so programmed - they even start answering roll call on the first of the month before the roll call officially comes out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ILGenWeb State Coordinator" > I very much doubt that you will get much support for monthly roll calls. > There is to much paper work involved on both sides. Twice yearly might be > workable, but yearly is most likely. Richard... > > INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > > Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether > > monthly or bimonthly. > > > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- > > INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 20:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ALmCV2005907 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ALmAJI014518 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ALl1g18958; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:47:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:47:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Mon Jun 10 15:47:00 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610174119.0377b9e0@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:42:00 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member In-Reply-To: <3D0440A0.F3BE1750@sampubco.com> References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/707 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: Qeh!!/E^!!i[M"!(R5"! I know my state coordinators don't have time for as often as you suggest. The only way this may happen is if the state coordinators have a volunteer who does it for them. Morgan At 02:01 AM 6/10/02, you wrote: >Oregon had no problem with monthly roll calls under previous >SC. The current one was hard to get hold of and now he is stepping >down. Guess who the apparent incoming SC? the previous one. Good >lady who make sure all of us are alive and well. > >Twice yearly - no way! It is enough to make somebody disappear without >notice. Quarterly is better. > >David > >ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > > > I very much doubt that you will get much support for monthly roll calls. > > There is to much paper work involved on both sides. Twice yearly might be > > workable, but yearly is most likely. Richard... > > > > INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether > > > monthly or bimonthly. > > > > > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- > > > INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator > > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 20:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AMSrV2009280 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AMSqJI019637 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AMS3C27791; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:03 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:03 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Mon Jun 10 16:28:02 2002 Message-ID: <3D0527BD.7B18363E@wf.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:27:09 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020610174119.0377b9e0@mail.usroots.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/708 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: X;0!!g%X!!]])#!eH<"! Morgan I think that most SC could come up with a way to do this daily. With mail sorting programs we have now it could be done. But why? I don't think that most CC's would put up with that much checking. Nor do I think it is necessary. Richard... Morgan Edward Johnson wrote: > > I know my state coordinators don't have time for as often as you suggest. > The only way this may happen is if the state coordinators have a volunteer > who does it for them. > > Morgan > > At 02:01 AM 6/10/02, you wrote: > >Oregon had no problem with monthly roll calls under previous > >SC. The current one was hard to get hold of and now he is stepping > >down. Guess who the apparent incoming SC? the previous one. Good > >lady who make sure all of us are alive and well. > > > >Twice yearly - no way! It is enough to make somebody disappear without > >notice. Quarterly is better. > > > >David > > > >ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > > > > > I very much doubt that you will get much support for monthly roll calls. > > > There is to much paper work involved on both sides. Twice yearly might be > > > workable, but yearly is most likely. Richard... > > > > > > INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether > > > > monthly or bimonthly. > > > > > > > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- > > > > INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator > > > > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > > > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 -- Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 20:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AMe1V2010095 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AMe0JI020899 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AMd3b12310; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:03 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:03 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 10 16:39:03 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:37:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c210cf$7c791560$da65fea9@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610174119.0377b9e0@mail.usroots.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0kEZm.A.EAD.HqSB9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/709 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: '2;"!"UX"!AS2"!#m~!! Our SC doesn't do anything, just sits around eating bbq, dreaming of Forsyth and looking at pictures of his brand new grandchild, a first for him. She's a cutie, doesn't look like him: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/hmw1.htm He has us regional coordinators to do the work. Seriously, I think our system of regional coordinators does help catch the bad email addresses without going through roll call. Our CCs don't all answer roll calls, being independent types. Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 06:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A63LV2023433 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5A63KJI023652 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5A62Lo22525; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:02:21 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:02:21 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 10 00:02:19 2002 Message-ID: <3D0440A0.F3BE1750@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:01:04 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/698 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 7?!#!1OX"!^OA"!&d7!! Oregon had no problem with monthly roll calls under previous SC. The current one was hard to get hold of and now he is stepping down. Guess who the apparent incoming SC? the previous one. Good lady who make sure all of us are alive and well. Twice yearly - no way! It is enough to make somebody disappear without notice. Quarterly is better. David ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > I very much doubt that you will get much support for monthly roll calls. > There is to much paper work involved on both sides. Twice yearly might be > workable, but yearly is most likely. Richard... > > INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: > > > Maybe that can be something for the SC guidelines. A roll call whether > > monthly or bimonthly. > > > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- > > INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Mon Jun 10 07:30:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAqDV2008494 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5AAqCJI018177 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5AApQJ02040; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:51:26 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:51:26 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Mon Jun 10 04:51:21 2002 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:00:22 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/700 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: T+~!!6L`"!odC!!R+K"! Comments from a project member. -Teresa >The following comments are in response to your request for input. > >re: the "working document" > >4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the state >mailing list. > >This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" you >wish to refer. > >7. CONTACT INFORMATION Local Coordinators are required to provide a valid >email address on their websites so that visitors may contact them if they >need to do so. > >Our local guidelines recommend a valid email address be available for each >section of the site, so that content-appropriate questions may be directed >to the preparer of a particular page. The assumption is that the >preparer/transcriber is probably the person most likely to have direct >knowledge of the subject matter and will be best able to answer questions >about that content. > >Having the Local Coordinator's e-mail address on the "home page" invites >general questions that would usually be answered by a more thorough >examination of the web-site contents. > >3. RECOMMENDED LINKS The primary purpose of the USGenWeb Project is to >provide information and assistance to researchers and Local Coordinators >should include a page or section of links to any useful genealogical >resources that will assist researchers in their area. > >Your e-mail included "The Committee was not in favor of recommending that >LCs direct submitters of transcribed data to the USGenWeb Archives (TM)." >Then, why have the archives if we aren't going to use them? The posting of >transcribed wills, deeds and other documents on several different >locations for one county seems counter-productive. Currently one can find >wills for our county at the GenWeb Archives and in the RootsWeb message >boards (why there, I can't fathom) and probably in several other locations >not even remotely affiliated with GenWeb. > >Rather than add to the visitor's search for locations, I would rather have >one recommended page for inclusion of these transcribed documents. If I >were to add a page for these documents, would you then recommend that I >ask permission of submitters to other pages to allow me to copy their >documents onto my site, to collect from other sites that which the >submitter may have good reason for placing elsewhere? > >Thanks for your work in preparing and submitting this working doucument. I >hope these comments will assist you in its revision and finalization. From ???@??? 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At 05:52 PM 6/9/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >I'm very pleased with comments coming back on this committee. Most are in >agreement - but those that are not, or have other comments - I'm >forwarding.... Guess I should have been doing this before. Yes Jan, please do forward all comments. I am finding them very useful. -Teresa From ???@??? 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Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 When did the R.A.L. become a member of the mediation panel? Phyllis From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 06:24:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EBKHV2017098 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EBKGJI024616 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.cox.net ([68.9.38.16]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020614112015.NPLH3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@pooh.cox.net> for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:20:15 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020614071817.026a7d10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: htimm@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:22:08 -0400 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: NC Nomination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-UIDL: Nj>!!@WC"!U8N!!"\*#! Good Morning Teresa, I really haven't a clue whether you want to be NC or not but wanted to let you know that I very much hope you do run. You most certainly have my vote and my support. Holly From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 18:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMbGV2015209 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMbEJI024571 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CMR1M29961; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 12 16:27:01 2002 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:12:29 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Comments: In-reply-to: <125.11d45467.2a35f1d9@aol.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612060958.00a6b880@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <-pfnkD.A.BUH.1q8B9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/710 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: R1)#!,FZ"!B!9"!l1:!! At 08:13 AM 6/10/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: >Since we don't require that a LC be in the county or near the county >(sometimes not even the state) they host, we can't really put a requirement >on additions. What is easy for me to access and someone else can vary >greatly. Some LC's may not want to deal with the copyright issues, >especially when some historical groups claim the posting of facts only is >against the Copyright laws. We can only provide the LC's with the facts of >copyright laws, examples of what can be done and the knowledge that >researchers appreciate online information. The LC has to make the choice >based on their time available and accessible resources. I agree. There is also the issue of _requiring_someone to make additions to pages where they may have to pay for space. Yes, I know RW and the Archives provide free web pages and/or storage, but there are any number of reasons why LCs may not wish to use or may be unable to use either of those options. I think the recommendation that LCs transcribe data and/or provide a local place to store it is sufficient. -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 18:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMaRV2015149 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMaPJI024474 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CMR1N30040; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 12 16:27:01 2002 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:16:36 -0400 From: merope Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-reply-to: <000001c210b2$d3995660$da65fea9@Dell> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/711 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: bLp!!f4X"! At 03:12 PM 6/10/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > >4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the > >state > >mailing list. > > > >This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" > >you > >wish to refer. > >Right. The people in Texas might think they are supposed to be >subscribed to the Delaware list otherwise... OK, I have changed the wording slightly in the working document to read: "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their state. These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the mail list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. " Is this clearer? -Teresa >Cheryl From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 18:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMaRV2015150 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CMaPJI024475 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CMR2l30103; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:02 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:27:02 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 12 16:27:02 2002 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:19:29 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] thought from a project member In-reply-to: <000b01c210c5$411a4e80$98bb41d8@JanCortez> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061805.00a6c830@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <197.7edb4d1.2a335327@aol.com> <3D041275.B77EBD1B@wf.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/712 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ?ZB"!2mi"!03E!!!_$#! At 05:24 PM 6/10/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >Michigan Roll Calls Monthly. In fact Michigan is so programmed - they even >start answering roll call on the first of the month before the roll call >officially comes out. > LOL! I think rolls calls are a good suggestion but when they are held and how often ought to be the decision of the SC. Lets defer discussion of roll calls until we are working on the SC guidelines. -Teresa From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 19:36:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNPdV2018880 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNPcJI000221 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CNN6K05552; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:23:06 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:23:06 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Wed Jun 12 17:23:06 2002 Message-ID: <00e001c21268$190b1290$82bc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <000001c210b2$d3995660$da65fea9@Dell> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:23:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/714 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ^\a"!6\m"!^E7"!PdJ"! Sounds good Don - like it better shortened. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Tharp" > Reads just fine to me. However, that second sentence is quite long. > "These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related > business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new > resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." > > Could it be shortened to "These mailing lists are used to inform you of > important > project-related business as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each > other." > > Don > > > At 06:16 AM 6/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > At 03:12 PM 6/10/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > >4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the > > > >state > > > >mailing list. > > > > > > > >This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" > > > >you > > > >wish to refer. > > > > > >Right. The people in Texas might think they are supposed to be > > >subscribed to the Delaware list otherwise... > > > > OK, I have changed the wording slightly in the working document to read: > > > > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > > state. These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > > project-related > > business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new > > resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each > > other. > > Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the mail list for your state of > > interest. If you are not notified of subscription to your state list, > please > > contact > > your state coordinator. " > > > > Is this clearer? > > > > -Teresa > > > > > > >Cheryl > > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 19:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNW4V2019313 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNW2JI000980 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CNTPR09160; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:29:25 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:29:25 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Wed Jun 12 17:29:24 2002 Message-ID: <00ec01c21268$fbd1bac0$82bc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:29:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/715 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: el)!!O2##!jD&"!V>3!! "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their state(s). State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which state to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in three? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" > OK, I have changed the wording slightly in the working document to read: > > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > state. These mailing > lists are used to inform you of important project-related business, such as > state and national > elections and the availability of new resource availability, as well as a > way for LCs and SCs to > assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the mail > list for your state of > interest. If you are not notified of subscription to your state list, > please contact your > state coordinator. " > > Is this clearer? > > -Teresa > > > >Cheryl > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 19:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNY2V2019473 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CNY1JI001163 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CNWVQ14635; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:32:31 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:32:31 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 12 17:32:31 2002 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:41:38 -0400 From: merope Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-reply-to: X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612194121.00a6fe60@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <000001c210b2$d3995660$da65fea9@Dell> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/716 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: C4e"!gd@!!S*~"!8U$#! At 05:06 PM 6/12/02 +0000, Don Tharp wrote: >Reads just fine to me. However, that second sentence is quite long. >"These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related >business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new >resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." > >Could it be shortened to "These mailing lists are used to inform you of >important >project-related business as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each >other." Certainly, this sounds good to me as well. -Teresa >Don From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 06:02:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5D0LaV2022857 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5D0LZJI006473 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5D0KNf06091; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:20:23 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:20:23 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Wed Jun 12 18:20:22 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:19:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2126f$fbb2bce0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <2RSGFC.A.AfB.HV-B9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/717 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: F:K"!UT""!VW4!!H65"! Waking up... In Illinois we do not use the REQUIRED list for anything other than announcements and official things [unless someone goofs]. We have a separate voluntary list to people to assist each other. Might that be so in other states? -----Original Message----- From: Don Tharp [mailto:dontharp@onemain.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:07 PM To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Reads just fine to me. However, that second sentence is quite long. "These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." Could it be shortened to "These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." Don From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 06:13:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5D9wvV2028243 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5D9wtJI002557 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5D9wAU23107; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:58:10 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:58:10 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Thu Jun 13 03:58:10 2002 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:06:48 -0400 From: merope Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-reply-to: <000801c2126f$fbb2bce0$337a010a@Dell> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020613060556.00a01010@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/718 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: K^@!!<)d!!=\%"!@m6!! At 08:19 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: >Waking up... In Illinois we do not use the REQUIRED list for anything >other than announcements and official things [unless someone goofs]. We >have a separate voluntary list to people to assist each other. Might >that be so in other states? Yes, it probably is. But that sort of arrangement should probably be a local decision. -Teresa From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 18:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DG4IV2025890 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DG4GJI014696 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5DG3GM08859; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:03:16 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:03:16 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Thu Jun 13 10:03:15 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:02:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c212f3$b20b8ed0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020613060556.00a01010@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/719 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: )+!#!K+T"!P~p!!W:#"! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 >>But that sort of arrangement should probably be a local decision. Definitely. I don't think we should define what they do with the list in the guidelines and that's what we were doing with saying it was for announcements and assistance... Cheryl From ???@??? Thu Jun 13 18:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DH87V2002406 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5DH85JI023445 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5DH7B901784; Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:07:11 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:07:11 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Thu Jun 13 11:07:10 2002 Message-ID: <3D08D0D8.A1D785EB@sampubco.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:05:28 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020613060556.00a01010@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8f7ma.A.tb._ENC9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/720 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: J$A!![L0"!Hjl"!7Yn"! Oregon, the list is a closed list, only the SC, ASC and the CCs are on it along with SP coordinators for that state. No one else at this point. David Samuelsen merope wrote: > > At 08:19 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > >Waking up... In Illinois we do not use the REQUIRED list for anything > >other than announcements and official things [unless someone goofs]. We > >have a separate voluntary list to people to assist each other. Might > >that be so in other states? > > Yes, it probably is. But that sort of arrangement should probably be a > local decision. > > -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 06:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EHejV2018293 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EHeiJI011709 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5EHdub07141; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:39:56 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:39:56 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Fri Jun 14 11:39:54 2002 Message-ID: <3D0A2992.E54B2FAC@sampubco.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:36:18 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Guidelines-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Need to revisit this issue Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/721 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EI4UV2020295 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EI4SJI014497 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5EI3aw01476; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:03:36 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:03:36 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Fri Jun 14 12:03:36 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Need to revisit this issue Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c213cd$aa901d30$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D0A2992.E54B2FAC@sampubco.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/722 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 11Z"!J\J"!'G=!!K]M!! David -- my transcribers create their own system for numbering in the cemeteries they walk. It's quite clear when others steal their work because we made up the numbering. But I don't know what you are going to do about it. It is not copyrightable even though I put copyright on the page for kicks. What you have done may be copyrightable. And no one enforces copyright anyway, certainly not Rootsweb. You have to sue and who is going to do that. Cheryl From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 06:24:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EIiXV2023935 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5EIiVJI019588 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5EIhet13139; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:43:40 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:43:40 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Fri Jun 14 12:43:40 2002 Message-ID: <3D0A38FA.826D0F5F@sampubco.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:42:02 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Need to revisit this issue References: <000d01c213cd$aa901d30$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/723 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: :R/!!)ie!!dkE"!;E##! I'm talking about a CC taking transcripts from RW message boards and elsewhere without permission from the submitters and removing the names of submitters and their email, pass off as his own, which is one issue. The other issue was this same CC trying to have ME hand over MY SAMPUBCO index to him, without even an acknowledgement, pass off as his own. David Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > David -- my transcribers create their own system for numbering in the > cemeteries they walk. It's quite clear when others steal their work > because we made up the numbering. But I don't know what you are going to > do about it. It is not copyrightable even though I put copyright on the > page for kicks. What you have done may be copyrightable. And no one > enforces copyright anyway, certainly not Rootsweb. You have to sue and > who is going to do that. > > Cheryl From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 06:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FAg3V2023173 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FAg1JI024872 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FAfBJ06411; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:41:11 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 04:41:11 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sat Jun 15 04:41:06 2002 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 06:49:30 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Need to revisit this issue In-reply-to: <3D0A38FA.826D0F5F@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615064619.00a713c0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000d01c213cd$aa901d30$337a010a@Dell> Resent-Message-ID: <6GOE5B.A.BkB.GnxC9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/724 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: WI_"!p=J"!$P["!SOi!! At 12:42 PM 6/14/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >I'm talking about a CC taking transcripts from RW message boards and >elsewhere without permission from the submitters and removing >the names of submitters and their email, pass off as his own, which >is one issue. > >The other issue was this same CC trying to have ME hand over MY >SAMPUBCO index to him, without even an acknowledgement, pass off as his >own. If the rest of the Committee wishes to address the copyright issue, we can do so. However, I think we should focus on the guidelines first. The LC guidelines are almost finished, and I hope to start on the SC ones this weekend. Please lets defer further discussion on this until after we finish up the guidelines. Thanks, -Teresa From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 07:55:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FBfjV2025889 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FBfhJI029760 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FBetH10766; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:40:55 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:40:55 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sat Jun 15 05:40:51 2002 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:49:58 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-reply-to: <00ec01c21268$fbd1bac0$82bc41d8@JanCortez> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/725 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ;jc!!",e"!B^`"!9*3"! At 07:29 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >state(s). > >State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which state >to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in >three? OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the suggested new wording: "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. " Does this work for everyone? -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Wed Jun 12 19:21:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CN8uV2017695 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5CN8tJI028331 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5CN6u106513; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:06:56 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:06:56 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Wed Jun 12 17:06:56 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:06:55 +0000 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> References: <000001c210b2$d3995660$da65fea9@Dell> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g5CN6uM06487 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/713 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: n_["!Qjd"!jMX!!V-U!! Reads just fine to me. However, that second sentence is quite long. "These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." Could it be shortened to "These mailing lists are used to inform you of important project-related business as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each other." Don At 06:16 AM 6/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > At 03:12 PM 6/10/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > >4. MAILING LISTS All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the > > >state > > >mailing list. > > > > > >This might be amended to specify exactly to what "state mailing list" > > >you > > >wish to refer. > > > >Right. The people in Texas might think they are supposed to be > >subscribed to the Delaware list otherwise... > > OK, I have changed the wording slightly in the working document to read: > > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > state. These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > project-related > business, such as state and national elections and the availability of new > resource availability, as well as a way for LCs and SCs to assist each > other. > Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the mail list for your state of > interest. If you are not notified of subscription to your state list, please > contact > your state coordinator. " > > Is this clearer? > > -Teresa > > > >Cheryl From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FIIxV2016830 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FIIvJI005429 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FII8L04801; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:18:08 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:18:08 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Sat Jun 15 12:18:07 2002 Message-ID: <3D0B8479.713F65FE@sampubco.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:16:25 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/728 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: I > At 07:29 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > >state(s). > > > >State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which state > >to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in > >three? > > OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the > suggested new wording: > > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to > assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the > mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of > subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > > Does this work for everyone? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FIaOV2018130 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FIaNJI006965 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FIZZj29300; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:35:35 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:35:35 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sat Jun 15 12:35:34 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:34:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c2149b$4ee8a0f0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <008e01c21491$dfd6e090$0dbc41d8@JanCortez> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/729 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: iD6!!U3A!!VZG"!+m8!! Looks good to me. Cheryl From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FJHpV2020197 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FJHoJI010479 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FJH1a25400; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:17:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:17:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Sat Jun 15 13:17:00 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:16:50 +0000 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> References: <00ec01c21268$fbd1bac0$82bc41d8@JanCortez> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/730 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 3[K!!_fV"!a#I!!e1'"! Super Don At 07:49 AM 6/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 07:29 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >>"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >>state(s). >> >>State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which state >>to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in >>three? > >OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the >suggested new wording: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important >project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to >assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the >mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of >subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > >Does this work for everyone? > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net > From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 06:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FN1gV2002912 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FN1fJI000488 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FN0ml08708; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:00:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:00:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dcaallen@pacifier.com Sat Jun 15 17:00:48 2002 Message-ID: <200206151557370940.0015F747@smtp.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:57:37 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g5FN0mx08639 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/731 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: T3i"!SZb!!](Z!!*^D"! Yes. Alice A *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/15/02 at 7:49 AM merope@Radix.Net wrote: >At 07:29 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >>"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >>state(s). >> >>State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which >state >>to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in >>three? > >OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the >suggested new wording: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important >project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to >assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the >mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of >subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > >Does this work for everyone? > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 06:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5G1CNV2009250 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5G1CLJI011363 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5G1BUm16230; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:11:30 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:11:30 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Sat Jun 15 19:11:29 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <198.855a397.2a3d3fb6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:11:18 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: <8PX-s.A.b9D.CX-C9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/732 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: FXH"!@@R!!Rc<"!KF>!! Works for me. > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to > assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the > mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of > subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 08:09:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FBkLV2026110 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FBkKJI000204 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FBjXN14384; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:45:33 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:45:33 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sat Jun 15 05:45:30 2002 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:54:37 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615075247.009e03a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: wrapping up! Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: bRV"!cPn"!J4*"!nYN"! I've gone through the weekly reports and find no outstanding issues for the Local Coordinator guidelines. Other than items deferred until later (ie, copyright, SC items), does anyone remember anything that we did not address, left hanging, or had additional questions on? -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sat Jun 15 16:07:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FHRwV2013845 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5FHRvJI000949 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5FHR9N24365; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:27:09 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:27:09 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sat Jun 15 11:27:08 2002 Message-ID: <008e01c21491$dfd6e090$0dbc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:27:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/727 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 6[!"!-SN!!33*#!hb#"! Works for me. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document > At 07:29 PM 6/12/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > >state(s). > > > >State should include plural - otherwise I may become confused on which state > >to be subbed to or is subbing to one state enough when I coordinate in > >three? > > OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the > suggested new wording: > > "All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to > assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the > mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of > subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > > Does this work for everyone? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 11:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GExkV2020265 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lc1b.louisacomm.org (host-167-142-199-132.mutel.com [167.142.199.132]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5GExiJI016992 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30202 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (66.43.212.226) by host-167-142-199-141.mutel.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Message-ID: <008a01c21545$a0544840$e2d42b42@default> From: "Keith/Connie Street" To: , "Mark Christian" Subject: Re: Guidelines Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:53:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-UIDL: l<)!!,8'#!>mQ"!-__!! Status: U A few comments on guidelines for Local Coordinators. 4. "Upon joining USGenWeb" - perhaps some place at the beginning it should be clarified what membership in USGenWeb means - such as: is an LC automatically a member? Also - I believe membership in the state mailing lists should directed only to LCs and their assistants (We have other people on ours, such as former coordinators and some who just happen onto them). 5. Question? Are the state GenWebs allowed to have more restrictive requirements? Iowa wants LCs to use a particular query board. 6. As a newspaper editor, I would request you remove newspapers from your lists of local resources. Most newspapers do not have the staff to answer genealogical questions and most papers are on microfilm in libraries. Perhaps it would be better to state where those microfilms are located. Under recommendations - I would like to see all pages created in such a format that they can be printed on a normal size piece of paper - for example, your guidelines do not print out fully on an 8 1/2 x11 page...... Thanks for listening, Connie Street ckcasey@louisacomm.net LC for: IAPoweshiek IACedar IAIowa IALouisa From ???@??? Sat Jun 22 07:16:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5M5gQV2025366 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5M5gPJT022382 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5M5fCr17415; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:41:12 -0600 X-Original-Sender: janab@websweweave.net Fri Jun 21 23:41:11 2002 From: "Jana Black" Old-To: , Subject: RE: [ALL-L] My comments on the Questions posed. Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 22:40:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c219af$47c72580$f2a4ec0c@JANA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25311 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: F"%#!N6"#!8^d"!*]E"! Nancy, Respectfully, I have heard no comments on RW bashing for a long time on this list. If anyone is re-generating that concept it is you by suggesting it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to catch-up on the ALL-Archives before you presume. Things have actually been very quiet. Jana -----Original Message----- From: Nancy T R I C E [mailto:nt@vci.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:48 PM To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ALL-L] My comments on the Questions posed. I must say SO WHAT Don. ;-) Why does everyone care if RW/MyFamily/Ancestry makes a profit? Why is it wrong for them to make a profit and not GeoCities or Yahoo or TriPod or my own ISP? David doesn't have any inside info or know what RW/MyFamily/Ancestry expenses are any more than any of the rest of us do so he can't answer your challenge. You might ask Skyways what they estimate their expenses are every month for hosting KsGenWeb to get an idea. I think Tom & Carolyn could probably find out for you and you could then share that info with us. As for me, I don't really care. If it costs them $10,000 or $100,000 a month... if they make a profit of $10,000 or $10,000,000 a year... as long as our info is available at no charge to our visitors, so what? I unsubbed from this list a long time ago... looks like I picked up right where I left off with everyone trying to bash RW. Such a shame. Regards, nt -----Original Message----- From: Don Tharp [mailto:dontharp@onemain.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:27 AM To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ALL-L] My comments on the Questions posed. Hi David, Your stated costs for RootsWeb to maintain our web sites seems completely out of line with what other organizations are charged for server space. See my message to Daryl. Perhaps you inside information that is broken down to show RootsWeb expenses. If so could you forward your figures to this list for our perusal? I for one would really like to know what it cost Ancestry to maintain all of our web sites and absorb the hits monthly. If I recall correctly, RootsWeb was receiving several hundred thousand dollars a year in contributions and I would imagine it was purchased by Ancestry for considerably more than yearly income. They are no longer receiving those contributions and must rely on hits at their pay per view sites to justify our expense. If they are spending $30,000 a month to support us they must be doing very well with the hits we send them. Don Tharp host Chautauqua County, Kansas At 10:48 PM 6/20/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Megan hit right on that mark. > >It's over $31,000 PER month just for bandwith now. > >Not to mention that Ancestry just bankrolled the new and improved >servers so Rootswe can move everything there in case you haven't paid >attention to announcements last week and this week. > >How many servers do you think Rootsweb is using to support? Several >now. Mailing lists are on at least 7 servers, usgenweb.org on still >another server, worldgenweb.org still another server, homepages on at >least 3 servers, freepages on at least 5 or more servers, how many more >servers are there now? > >And don't forget that Ancestry is paying overhead costs for Rootsweb. >That includes electricity to run servers. Provo City Power is a >municipality owned, not private owned company (Utah Power, subsidiary >of Pacific Power, subsidiary of Scottish Power. Note - Pacific Power is >under investigation for trades involving >Enron.) > >Anyone who visited or on work assignment in Provo where Ancestry/ >Rootsweb is located in, will tell you it is no cheap place. > >David Samuelsen > >"Ms. Piglet" wrote: >> >> No, you couldn't. Not that amount of space, with that much bandwidth, with >> that much full time staff watching it to keep it online. >> >> It's an expensive business. Yes, you can put a server online for >> less----but not with the quality that we have now. >> >> --pig >> >> On 6/20/02 10:49 PM, shared this thought: >> >> >> > I'm going to estimate that the >> > cost to Ancestry to host the USGenWeb does not exceed $500 per month, probably >> > more like $400, and I could do it for less than that. >> >> > > >==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== >The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 08:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5N7HeV2019195 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 03:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5N7HdJT004398 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 03:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5N7F9J09439; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:15:09 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:15:09 -0600 X-Original-Sender: keith@giddeon.com Sun Jun 23 01:15:05 2002 From: "Keith Giddeon" Old-To: Subject: RE: [ALL-L] Not a final post, Re Kelly Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 02:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D15731F.172B0488@sampubco.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25406 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: S0f"!/Am!!$7*"!%(I"! This is the best point made on this list in quite awhile!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: W. David Samuelsen [mailto:dsam@sampubco.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:05 AM > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Not a final post, Re Kelly > > > you have no qualms with Merope running Daily Board with halftruths > and ruining other lives and get away yet you criticize me for telling > full truth? > > Get real! > > David > > Beaufort wrote: > > > > DAvid, It may be your *right to comment on another person's > private life, > > in a public forum, but none the less, it is obvious to all that > when you do > > this....you are acting in a way that is not respectful to anyone. Not > > yourself, or the other members, or to a fellow volunteer. It is obvious > > that when you do this, that you are attempting to bring > discredit against a > > fellow volunteer for what he does in his private life. > > > > I know that this is a regular practice among many here on the ALL > > list....over the years, i have seen it done to soooo many CCs > on this list > > who dared to *present their thoughts and opinions. Anyone who has been > > around even a few years has enough experience here, to > recognize when it is > > being done to someone. > > > > I believe it boils down to *character assassination. It is > being done to > > Charlie...and John Rigdon...at the present moment. It was > done to Teresa > > of the DBS several years back...it was done to a guy named Eric...and i > > recall myself being investigated. I am sure others could add to > this black > > list...it just goes on and on and on like that battery > commercial.......day > > after day...year after year...people on this list attempt to assassinate > > anyone who goes against some *agenda that has been the goal among these > > people for years now. > > > > diane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "W. David Samuelsen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 1:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Not a final post, Re Kelly > > > > > is our business when it is public information. > > > > > > David > > > > > > Volunteer wrote: > > > > > > > > My name is not Russell Barnum, Chareles Russell Barnum, nor > am I that > > > > person. > > > > Otherwise, this is none of your business, nor USGenWeb. > > > > Charles > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "W. David Samuelsen" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [ALL-L] Not a final post, Re Kelly > > > > > > > > oh my! > > > > > > > > I ran Verisign Whois: > > > > > > > > Owner: Russell Barnum, Sun Valley, NV (isn't your full name Charles > > > > Russell Barnum?) > > > > > > > > Techical contact: Jerry Dill (does he know your site is > portal to some > > > > sex sites??) > > > > > > > > David Samuelsen > > > > > > > > Volunteer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kelly: > > > > > Re: Your most recent post. > > > > > You will not have the last word. I stated I'd not discuss > this further > > if > > > > > you agreed. You did not accept my invitation. Therefore, > you may not > > have > > > > > the last word. > > > > > First: there was a request by the subscribers to take > this discussion > > off > > > > > the list. I agreed. You did not refrain from further attacks, but > > there > > > > has > > > > > been no corresponding cry against you for keeping this going. > > > > > Second: My name is not babe. Please don't call me babe. > > > > > Third: You said I'd never have your respect. Answer: I > never asked for > > > > your > > > > > respect. You have no respect to give. The term "Kelly's > respect" is > > an > > > > > oxymoron. > > > > > Fourth: You threatened to report my "sicko butt" to my > ISP. Here is > > the > > > > > address for that server. http://pacbell.prodigy.net/ > > > > > In your report to them, feel free to make up anything you > want about > > me. > > > > > Lie, fabricate, convict by false association, misquote, > just use your > > > > > natural abilities. > > > > > Fifth: Out of ignorance or deceit you continue to make false > > statements. > > > > To > > > > > be clear, I do not own ASE. I am one of two webmasters. I > often use > > the > > > > term > > > > > "my site" and "our site" speaking only as a webmaster, not as the > > owner. > > > > > Sixth: You deliberately mixed two different web sites as > if they were > > both > > > > > ASE. See your reference to your link stated in your last email: > > > > > http://fishrap.ucsc.edu/cgi-bin/fishrap/read-feedback.cgi?id=189 > > > > > Your reference to the link was on a feedback page of Fish Rap. ASE > > does > > > > not > > > > > own Fish Rap. The following feedback item was placed by > ASE on the > > Fish > > > > Rap > > > > > feedback page. Quote:Date: 1/3/2002 > > > > > > > > > > Quote: > > > > > ASE > > > > > Email: ryangb@nvbell.net > > > > > I am building a list of student / college newspaper for > my sports site > > at > > > > > http://www.arizonasportsexchange.com/ > > > > > I'd like to add your paper and even feature it as the > college site of > > the > > > > > day, BUT, who the hell are you. Are you a student run > paper and for > > which > > > > > school. What does UCSC stand for? > > > > > ASE ...end quote > > > > > > > > > > I am not responsible for any other feedback messages on that page. > > That > > > > was > > > > > the first time I saw that newspaper and my feedback > message happened > > to > > > > > appear on that days review page only by pure chance. The > goal of ASE > > was > > > > to > > > > > find out more about that newspaper before we added it to ASE. > > > > > > > > > > Seventh: The banner you spoke about was not a banner, but > a Subject > > > > Heading > > > > > about their News story in that West Coast Newspaper, The Fish Rap, > > which > > > > is > > > > > one of the most popular student run papers. > > > > > > > > > > Eighth: You, nor anyone else, has a right reporting > anything about any > > > > > outside activities of me, the staff of ASE, or any other > Volunteer of > > > > > USGenWeb on this list. I am not running for any office and I'm > > entitled to > > > > > privacy. > > > > > > > > > > Ninth: You did not report correctly what us stated on the > main page of > > > > ASE. > > > > > Here are the links > > > > > from that section you mentioned. > > > > > Hot Babe http://hotbabe.tvheaven.com/ > > > > > Alyssa Milano http://www.alyssa.com/ > > > > > Babe Sites http://www.penelopecruz.iwarp.com/ > > > > > Nicole Kidman http://www.famousbabes.com/nicole/nkpics1.htm > > > > > Babe of the Month site http://www.borntoride.com/babe.html > > > > > You said you did not visit these sites. If you had, you > would see they > > > > refer > > > > > to these celebrities: > > > > > Cindy Crawford > > > > > Mariah Carey > > > > > Cameron Diaz > > > > > J. Love Hewitt > > > > > Angelina Jolie > > > > > Ali Landry > > > > > Daniela Pestova > > > > > Denise Richards > > > > > Britney Spears > > > > > Sarah Michelle Gellar > > > > > Nicole Kidman > > > > > Penelope Cruz > > > > > None of these people are porno stars, to my knowledge. > You said I'm a > > > > sicko. > > > > > ASE reviews links and if we find any that do not meet our > standards, > > they > > > > > are removed. > > > > > I think you lied. I think you did look at the links and > saw nothing > > > > > imporper, but elected to engage in your back-biting, > slimy slander, > > like a > > > > > bully hen in a chicken coup. > > > > > I say again. You are a liar by deceit. > > > > > > > > > > Your actions have convinced me that I must run for NC > next term. Your > > ilk > > > > > does not belong on USGenWeb. > > > > > Furthermore, each time you refer to me on this list, I > will respond. I > > > > know > > > > > you will at some point get your special friend to remove > me from this > > list > > > > > under some false charge. Have at it. Threats don't work on me, nor > > > > slander, > > > > > nor will liars deter me. > > > > > Don't forget to contact my ISP. > > > > > > > > > > Charles > > > > > permission is granted to forward and publish this post. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Kelly Courtney-Blizzard" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:29 PM > > > > > Subject: [ALL-L] Charles & the facts/Final Post > > > > > > > > > > Charles, argue what you want. > > > > > Here's the run down of the facts. The links and your > posts speak for > > > > > themselves. > > > > > > > > > > You started the conversation of the RW PML search trying > to make the > > point > > > > > the the PML is a violation of your privacy. I then told > you that the > > RW > > > > PML > > > > > search was nothing compared to what can be found through a simple > > internet > > > > > search. Hence my findings. You posted to > > > > > > http://fishrap.ucsc.edu/cgi-bin/fishrap/read-feedback.cgi?id=189 and > > the > > > > > title banner of this page says SEX SELLS FREE PAPERS and it also > > states > > > > > "Feedback to: The hunt for the biggest ORGY ever at UC Santa Cruz > > > > > Acomprehensive report". In your post you claim to be > writing a paper > > for > > > > > YOUR sports page at http://www.arizonasportsexchange.com/ > . On this > > page, > > > > > your page, near the top reads "send me a picture of your > sister?", > > "Hot > > > > > babe sites" , "Hot babe Alyssa Milano" & "Babe of the > month". Now I > > don't > > > > > dare click to see what these will take me but I think anyone would > > > > consider > > > > > this a portal to porn. > > > > > > > > > > Charle's if your into that kind of thing then more power > to ya babe > > but I > > > > > will never respect you. In fact I think I need a shower > to wash away > > the > > > > > willies ! > > > > > You'll leave me alone now of I will report your sicko butt to your > > ISP. > > > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > > > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > > > > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 11:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GEfFV2018924 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GEfEJI015451 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5GEeRd12738; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:40:27 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:40:27 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Sun Jun 16 08:40:27 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020615125911.02be2e50@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:00:28 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> References: <00ec01c21268$fbd1bac0$82bc41d8@JanCortez> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/735 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: #B=!!BY`!!_f9"!A/m"! Status: U At 07:49 AM 6/15/2002, you wrote: >OK, based on all the feedback (you guys are so great!) so far, here is the >suggested new wording: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important >project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to >assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the >mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of >subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > >Does this work for everyone? > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net Sounds great. It might be even clearer if instead of "their state(s)" it said something like, "the state(s) for which they host pages," but it still sounds great! Morgan From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 11:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GBHSV2008766 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GBHRJI028912 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5GBGfj24161; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:16:41 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:16:41 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 16 05:16:37 2002 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:25:44 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines , BOARD-L@rootsweb.com, Daily Board Show , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020616072434.009ea310@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 15, 2002 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/733 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: (4\"!]U""!(''#!A\d"! GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 15 2002 === On June 9 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Several comments regarding required updates, required contact information, roll calls, and state mailing lists were received. All were forwarded to the Committee for discussion; see below for further details. - Source Data: As noted last week, the Committee was in favor of both recommending that LCs provide a place for the storage of transcribed source data on their local website and that LCs transcribe original source data if possible. The Committee discussed the following suggested wording for the proposed guidelines: "Local Coordinators are encouraged to provide storage space on their website for the placement of transcriptions of original source data relevant to their site. Additionally, LCs are encouraged to transcribe source data themselves if original documents are available to them and to encourage the submission of transcriptions by other volunteers. LCs are responsible for ensuring that all transcriptions displayed on their site are in compliance with current U.S. copyright law." The Committee briefly discussed a recommendation sent in by a couple of project members that LCs be required to make periodic additions of transcribed source data to their websites. The Committee was not in favor of this suggestion and cited the varying availability of source data and difficulty in obtaining it. - Mailing Lists: Based on member feedback, the wording in the working document was changed to specify which state lists members are required to join. - Roll Calls: Based on member feedback, the Committee briefly discussed periodic roll calls of LCs. Further discussion on this topic was deferred to the discussion of State Coordinator Guidelines. - Copyright: The Committee briefly discussed revisiting the issue of the USGenWeb copyright statement. This discussion was deferred in favor of completing the LC and SC guidelines and will be addressed at a later date. === The current version of the working document is posted at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 16 11:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GC0AV2010818 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5GC09JI002258 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5GBxNe21443; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:59:23 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 05:59:23 -0600 X-Original-Sender: rainelane@earthlink.net Sun Jun 16 05:59:22 2002 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020616080005.00ceb570@earthlink.net> X-Sender: rainelane@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:00:52 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020615074826.00a75180@radix.net> References: <00ec01c21268$fbd1bac0$82bc41d8@JanCortez> <5.1.0.14.0.20020610065923.009e4170@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020612061542.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/734 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: pM1!!Up>!!N[e"!bdV!! At 07:49 AM 6/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their >state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important >project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to >assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the >mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of >subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > " > >Does this work for everyone? sounds good to me.... NEXT!!!! Sunny From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 07:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5H6TeV2012772 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5H6TdJI007862 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5H6Sgp17983; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:28:42 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:28:42 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 17 00:28:41 2002 Message-ID: <3D0D8134.8CBC221E@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:27:00 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Guidelines-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/736 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: X=h"!m#\"!aH<"!2D$#! We need a simple section along with the specific wording. List on how to "copy and paste" specific portions. I came across two counties where it is NOT possible to print highlighted sections without printing the rest of the page. The written instructions should be available to coordinators to copy and include in their sites. On the average, 50 percent of visitors do NOT know how to do "copy and paste" specific section dealing with their own family. I'm talking about the fact that there are those who put multiple records on single page such as will transcripts. Oneida County NY is a good example of that problem. David Samuelsen From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 07:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HAt2V2025628 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HAt0JI029795 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HAsDi15856; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:54:13 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:54:13 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Mon Jun 17 04:54:10 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Guidelines Working Document Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/737 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: E~7!!h@C!!Fp:!!:7Z"! Works for me In a message dated 6/16/02 9:40:44 AM US Eastern Standard Time, morgan@usroots.com writes: > >"All Local Coordinators shall be subscribed to the mailing list for their > >state(s). These mailing lists are used to inform you of important > >project-related business and may also serve as a way for LCs and SCs to > >assist each other. Your state coordinator will subscribe you to the > >mailing list for your state of interest. If you are not notified of > >subscription to your state list, please contact your state coordinator. > > Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HIxKV2007287 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HIxIJI028821 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HIwR917822; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:58:27 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:58:27 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Mon Jun 17 12:58:27 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:58:15 +0000 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with In-Reply-To: <3D0E2188.96125026@sampubco.com> References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/741 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: LJp"!,TF!!#]7"!6#[!! David, I don't see the problem. I was able to copy only a portion of the page, i.e., see below. BARNES, Abram A. :(extract of Petition) Surrogate’s Court, Utica, Oneida County, NY The petition of Alice M. Barnes of the City of Utica in the County of Oneida, represents: that your petitioner is the widow of Abram A. Barnes, late of the City of Utica in said County of Oneida, deceased, that the said Abram A. Barnes died at the city of Utica in said County of Oneida, on or about the 19th day of October 1885, last past, intestate, leaving no will Highlighting the portion I wanted to copy and right clicking the mouse gave me a message that the function was disabled, but using the copy command from the drop down edit menu or using control C works just fine. I would imagine that most newbies would be using the copy command or control C before they started using a menu by right clicking the mouse. Don At 11:51 AM 6/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: >we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the >newbies and intermediate. > >And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family >History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's >because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if >it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the >instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to >add to their sites. > >I am NOT keen on printing entire >http://www.rootsweb.co m/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html >as an example >when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, >Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing >problem.) > >Think of yourself as a newbie. > >David > >Cheryl Rothwell wrote: >> >> Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? >> And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd >> like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. >> >> Cheryl > From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HEw0V2014031 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HEvwJI026824 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HEuQ810779; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:56:26 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:56:26 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 17 08:56:26 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D0D8134.8CBC221E@sampubco.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/738 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ]6K!!Xib!!0nN"!2SV!! Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ48V2007779 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ46JI029509 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HJ3Kn10058; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:03:20 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:03:20 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 17 13:03:19 2002 Message-ID: <3D0E320C.6D163551@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:01:32 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with References: <000901c2162c$f56a4630$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/743 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: pSW!!TV$"!V75"!hbp!! ARE YOU TELLING IT'S OK TO SCREW THE VISITORS BY MAKING THE SITES UNWELCOMING AND UNUSABLE?? David Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > We are going to disagree David. > > -----Original Message----- > From: W. David Samuelsen [mailto:dsam@sampubco.com] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:51 PM > To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with > > we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the > newbies and intermediate. > > And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family > History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's > because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if it > is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the > instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to add to > their sites. > > I am NOT keen on printing entire > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html > as an example > when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, > Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing > problem.) > > Think of yourself as a newbie. > > David > > Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > > Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > > > And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > > like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > > > > Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HHrxV2001474 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HHrvJI020214 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HHr7Y15599; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:53:07 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:53:07 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 17 11:53:06 2002 Message-ID: <3D0E2188.96125026@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:51:04 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/739 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: gmH!!gNn!!]@f!!He`"! we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the newbies and intermediate. And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to add to their sites. I am NOT keen on printing entire http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html as an example when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing problem.) Think of yourself as a newbie. David Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > > Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HIVYV2004813 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HIVXJI025167 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HIUjL16329; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:30:45 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:30:45 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 17 12:30:44 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c2162c$f56a4630$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D0E2188.96125026@sampubco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/740 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 2%O!!j<~!!gG`!!cen"! We are going to disagree David. -----Original Message----- From: W. David Samuelsen [mailto:dsam@sampubco.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:51 PM To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the newbies and intermediate. And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to add to their sites. I am NOT keen on printing entire http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html as an example when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing problem.) Think of yourself as a newbie. David Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > > Cheryl From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ3PV2007698 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ3NJI029418 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HJ2aq08850; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:02:36 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:02:36 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 17 13:02:36 2002 Message-ID: <3D0E31D4.BCE0CB78@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:00:36 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g5HJ2ax08820 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/742 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ^]h"!7h?"!BDB"!f#&"! I'm NOT talking about the experienced visitors. I am referring to the "newbies" and "restricted places" such as libraries where this pose a problem. David Don Tharp wrote: > > David, I don't see the problem. I was able to copy only a portion of the > page, > i.e., see below. > > BARNES, Abram A. :(extract of Petition) Surrogate’s Court, Utica, Oneida > County, > NY > The petition of Alice M. Barnes of the City of Utica in the County of Oneida, > represents: that your petitioner is the widow of Abram A. Barnes, late of the > City of Utica in said County of Oneida, deceased, that the said Abram A. > Barnes > died at the city of Utica in said County of Oneida, on or about the 19th > day of > October 1885, last past, intestate, leaving no will > > > Highlighting the portion I wanted to copy and right clicking the mouse gave me > a message that the function was disabled, but using the copy command from the > drop down edit menu or using control C works just fine. I would imagine that > most newbies would be using the copy command or control C before they started > using a menu by right clicking the mouse. > > Don > > At 11:51 AM 6/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the > >newbies and intermediate. > > > >And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family > >History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's > >because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if > >it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the > >instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to > >add to their sites. > > > >I am NOT keen on printing entire > >http://www.rootsweb.co > m/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html > >as an example > >when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, > >Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing > >problem.) > > > >Think of yourself as a newbie. > > > >David > > > >Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > >> > >> Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > >> And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > >> like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > >> > >> Cheryl > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ7gV2008186 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HJ7eJI000041 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HJ6mt15707; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:06:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:06:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Mon Jun 17 13:06:48 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617150602.03018320@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:07:07 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with In-Reply-To: <3D0E320C.6D163551@sampubco.com> References: <000901c2162c$f56a4630$337a010a@Dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/744 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: _5K"!>RH!!2;1"!$~h"! I think that due to the purpose of this list we don't need screaming, arguing, or vulgarity. Morgan At 03:01 PM 6/17/2002, "W. David Samuelsen" wrote: >ARE YOU TELLING IT'S OK TO SCREW THE VISITORS BY MAKING THE SITES >UNWELCOMING AND UNUSABLE?? > >David From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HK70V2013585 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HK6wJI008131 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HK66S00415; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:06:06 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:06:06 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Mon Jun 17 14:06:06 2002 Message-ID: <3D0E40EE.A3367E33@wf.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:05:02 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with References: <000901c2162c$f56a4630$337a010a@Dell> <3D0E320C.6D163551@sampubco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/745 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: HKP!!>bE!!2#T"!%K"#! David it sounds more like that is what you are trying to tell us. We are still talking about CC's or SC's, not newbie guidelines. Perhaps after we finnish with CC's and SC's we can look at some sort of "newbie" guidelines. Richard... "W. David Samuelsen" wrote: > > ARE YOU TELLING IT'S OK TO SCREW THE VISITORS BY MAKING THE SITES > UNWELCOMING AND UNUSABLE?? > > David > > Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > > We are going to disagree David. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: W. David Samuelsen [mailto:dsam@sampubco.com] > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:51 PM > > To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with > > > > we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the > > newbies and intermediate. > > > > And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family > > History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's > > because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if it > > is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the > > instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to add to > > their sites. > > > > I am NOT keen on printing entire > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html > > as an example > > when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, > > Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing > > problem.) > > > > Think of yourself as a newbie. > > > > David > > > > Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > > > > > And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > > > like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > > > > > > Cheryl -- Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HLoHV2022382 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HLoGJI021342 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HLnOC01209; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:49:24 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:49:24 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Mon Jun 17 15:49:23 2002 Message-ID: <019b01c21648$d5e1b2f0$a2b941d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <000901c2162c$f56a4630$337a010a@Dell> <3D0E320C.6D163551@sampubco.com> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:49:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/746 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: +#8!!ZRQ"!Alj"!-O;"! David, I don't think anyone has said any such thing. We all want to help the visitors or we wouldn't be here. This would be good for a newbie page, and I think it would be of great value, but not when we are discussing the guidelines for the LC's. In another section of the guidelines or Help section, etc. Come on - we are here to have a discussion - not holler at one another. We won't be helping anyone this way. So let's cool our tempers and get back to the job at hand. Jan Cortez ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. David Samuelsen" > ARE YOU TELLING IT'S OK TO SCREW THE VISITORS BY MAKING THE SITES > UNWELCOMING AND UNUSABLE?? > > David > > Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > > We are going to disagree David. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: W. David Samuelsen > > > > we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the > > newbies and intermediate. > > > > And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family > > History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's > > because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if it > > is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the > > instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to add to > > their sites. > > > > I am NOT keen on printing entire > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoneida/wills/willb.html > > as an example > > when I want only Barnes. (I will send her my Belden, Birch, Burtch, > > Burch, and Briggs before end of the month, complicating the printing > > problem.) > > > > Think of yourself as a newbie. > > > > David > > > > Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > Is it our problem that surfers can't cut and paste? What am I missing? > > > > > And if the CC doesn't want you to cut and paste certain portions [I'd > > > like to know how they do that] I don't see that it is our business. > > > > > > Cheryl > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HMSQV2025588 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HMSPJI026067 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HMRZs12730; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:27:35 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:27:35 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Mon Jun 17 16:27:33 2002 Message-ID: <01f401c2164d$f9019ac0$a2b941d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:26:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Response to Committee Report Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/747 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: =G[!!c&'"!Ikj"!bDo"! Rec'd regarding our latest weekly report: Subject: Re:Guidelines Committee report for the week ending June 15, 2002 One thing that really concerns me is even adding some of these as > recommendations > > Yes it would be great to have all CC be able to add material but it's no > possible or even practice. Allowing others to submit this is great, but I'll > give you an example that I received. I had a "cousin" fax me 30 pages of some > marriage, and death records, poor poor quality that now I have to be able to > find time in admist my other responsibilities to get these online. People have > sent their family files thinking these are source material, another sent me a > FTM file, another an Ancestral File. They don't understand that these aren't > source material and get mad when I say yes I want source material, but no yours > isn't. Now you want this listed as a recommendation??? > Furthermore my county's Gen Soc in XX has walked all the cemeteries and > transcribed the early death and marriage records. I provide those as lookup > services. I WILL NOT put them online as it is their only source of revenue and I > feel it is a violation of their copyright. I feel it is ok if someone else does > the leg work again and gives it but it isn't ok to just scan the material. > > Please don't get carried away with trying to "revamp" things. We need to keep > requirements SIMPLE. > > I don't have the time to do more and feel it is an imposition to ask more of us > volunteers. > > thanks From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 19:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HNPXV2029587 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5HNPWJI002746 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5HNOg102730; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:24:42 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:24:42 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Mon Jun 17 17:24:42 2002 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:33:51 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with In-reply-to: <3D0E2188.96125026@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617193310.00a849f0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/748 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: N>~"!"9d"!kOZ"!IS5!! At 11:51 AM 6/17/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the >newbies and intermediate. > >And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family >History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's >because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if >it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the >instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to >add to their sites. This would be a better topic for the "help pages" that I believe the publicity and promotions committee is working on than in the guidelines. -Teresa From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 20:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I0JJV2003847 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I0JIJI009154 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I0IRl28278; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:18:27 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:18:27 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Mon Jun 17 18:18:26 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617200721.02a2e030@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:10:09 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com, USGW-BYLAWS-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/749 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: `6n"!o~!#!YJ-"!6*6"! I am forwarding this to the Bylaws and Guidelines Committees particularly as I would appreciate at least one of you volunteering. It is essential that the results of the committee below not conflict with the bylaws or guidelines nor should it significantly duplicate either. >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:07:38 -0400 >From: Holly Timm >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > >With 11 voting, all affirmatively, and 3 not voting, the following motion >made by Mary Ann Hetrick and seconded by Kathy Heidel is numbered 02-11 is >declared passed. The winner of the SEMA CC Representative race will be >seated as soon as the election for that race is complete. > > >At 08:35 AM 6/12/02 -0400, Mary Ann Hetrick wrote: >I move that the vacancy due to Diane Parsons resignation be filled by the >will of the voters of that region. This will be accomplished during the >upcoming national elections. The winner of the seat to start their term as >soon as the election results are known, in place of the normal September 1 >starting date. From ???@??? Mon Jun 17 21:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I0qiV2005894 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I0qhJI012916 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I0prM07446; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:51:53 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:51:53 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 17 18:51:52 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c21662$356542f0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617200721.02a2e030@pop.east.cox.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2SU2RC.A.I0B.pQoD9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/750 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: >[L"!H0\!!Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:07:38 -0400 >From: Holly Timm >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > >With 11 voting, all affirmatively, and 3 not voting, the following >motion >made by Mary Ann Hetrick and seconded by Kathy Heidel is numbered 02-11 is >declared passed. The winner of the SEMA CC Representative race will be >seated as soon as the election for that race is complete. > > >At 08:35 AM 6/12/02 -0400, Mary Ann Hetrick wrote: >I move that the vacancy due to Diane Parsons resignation be filled by >the >will of the voters of that region. This will be accomplished during the >upcoming national elections. The winner of the seat to start their term as >soon as the election results are known, in place of the normal September 1 >starting date. From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I15jV2006757 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I15hJI014384 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I14sv07908; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:04:54 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:04:54 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Mon Jun 17 19:04:53 2002 Message-ID: <3D0E86F9.D03BD268@wf.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:03:53 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS References: <000801c21662$356542f0$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/752 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: bbP"!R\)"!] > What is SEMA? Is my ignorance a good excuse not to volunteer? I do try > to avoid USGenWeb politics. > > Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Holly Timm [mailto:usgenweb@cox.net] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:10 PM > To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep > >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS > >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > > > >With 11 voting, all affirmatively, and 3 not voting, the following > >motion Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I1CpV2007219 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I1CoJI015295 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I1C1g13555; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:12:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:12:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Mon Jun 17 19:12:00 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:11:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c21665$074f7130$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3D0E86F9.D03BD268@wf.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/753 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ;"a!!&-p"!OP@!!i2-"! I live in the Southeast but I don't think that counts. Cheryl From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I15dV2006751 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I15bJI014378 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I14lr07760; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:04:47 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:04:47 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Mon Jun 17 19:04:47 2002 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:13:45 -0400 From: merope Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS In-reply-to: <000801c21662$356542f0$337a010a@Dell> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617211312.00a7d710@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617200721.02a2e030@pop.east.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8844mB.A.E5B.vcoD9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/751 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: jQ!#!W6d"!Ogm!!OiS!! At 08:50 PM 6/17/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: >What is SEMA? Is my ignorance a good excuse not to volunteer? I do try >to avoid USGenWeb politics. I think Holly forwarded the wrong message. She probably meant to forward the one about the new "Rights and Responsibilities" committee she is forming. -Teresa >Cheryl > >-----Original Message----- >From: Holly Timm [mailto:usgenweb@cox.net] >Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:10 PM >To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep >Vacancy - RESULTS > > > >I am forwarding this to the Bylaws and Guidelines Committees >particularly >as I would appreciate at least one of you volunteering. It is essential >that the results of the committee below not conflict with the bylaws or >guidelines nor should it significantly duplicate either. > > >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:07:38 -0400 > >From: Holly Timm > >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS > >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > > > >With 11 voting, all affirmatively, and 3 not voting, the following > >motion > >made by Mary Ann Hetrick and seconded by Kathy Heidel is numbered 02-11 >is > >declared passed. The winner of the SEMA CC Representative race will be > >seated as soon as the election for that race is complete. > > > > > >At 08:35 AM 6/12/02 -0400, Mary Ann Hetrick wrote: > >I move that the vacancy due to Diane Parsons resignation be filled by > >the > >will of the voters of that region. This will be accomplished during the > > >upcoming national elections. The winner of the seat to start their term >as > >soon as the election results are known, in place of the normal >September 1 > >starting date. From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I7djV2003325 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I7dhJI024548 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I7cqA19451; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:38:52 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:38:52 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Tue Jun 18 01:38:52 2002 Message-ID: <3D0ED4F5.F5A097ED@sampubco.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:36:37 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Bill of Rights/Responsibilities References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617200721.02a2e030@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020617211312.00a7d710@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/754 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 2]S"!n\6"!WAH!!d_'!! I thought same thing. Since that particular committee is being formed to deal with that, I think it is safe to defer the copyright issue (specifically about taking others' works/submissions without permission) to that committee under the aspsect of "Responsibilities". David Samuelsen merope wrote: > > At 08:50 PM 6/17/02 -0400, Cheryl Rothwell wrote: > >What is SEMA? Is my ignorance a good excuse not to volunteer? I do try > >to avoid USGenWeb politics. > > I think Holly forwarded the wrong message. She probably meant to forward > the one about the new "Rights and Responsibilities" committee she is forming. > > -Teresa > > >Cheryl > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Holly Timm [mailto:usgenweb@cox.net] > >Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 8:10 PM > >To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep > >Vacancy - RESULTS > > > > > > > >I am forwarding this to the Bylaws and Guidelines Committees > >particularly > >as I would appreciate at least one of you volunteering. It is essential > >that the results of the committee below not conflict with the bylaws or > >guidelines nor should it significantly duplicate either. > > > > >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:07:38 -0400 > > >From: Holly Timm > > >Subject: [BOARD-L] Motion 02-11 SEMA CC Rep Vacancy - RESULTS > > >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >With 11 voting, all affirmatively, and 3 not voting, the following > > >motion > > >made by Mary Ann Hetrick and seconded by Kathy Heidel is numbered 02-11 > >is > > >declared passed. The winner of the SEMA CC Representative race will be > > >seated as soon as the election for that race is complete. > > > > > > > > >At 08:35 AM 6/12/02 -0400, Mary Ann Hetrick wrote: > > >I move that the vacancy due to Diane Parsons resignation be filled by > > >the > > >will of the voters of that region. This will be accomplished during the > > > > >upcoming national elections. The winner of the seat to start their term > >as > > >soon as the election results are known, in place of the normal > >September 1 > > >starting date. From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I7gjV2003498 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5I7giJI024789 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 03:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5I7fro20810; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:41:53 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:41:53 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Tue Jun 18 01:41:53 2002 Message-ID: <3D0ED56D.D5F7E69F@sampubco.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:38:37 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> <5.1.0.14.0.20020617193310.00a849f0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/755 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 8f8"!K1["!KU(!!C\`!! Afraid not. Publicity and Promotions Committee has nothing to do with this. Their primary assignment is to increase awareness of the USGenWeb Project. Didn't we discuss the KISS policy months ago? This is where this problem fall into. - into our hands. David merope wrote: > > At 11:51 AM 6/17/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the > >newbies and intermediate. > > > >And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family > >History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's > >because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if > >it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the > >instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to > >add to their sites. > > This would be a better topic for the "help pages" that I believe the > publicity and promotions committee is working on than in the guidelines. > > -Teresa From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IAFxV2011518 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IAFvJI008393 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IAFDr04338; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:15:13 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:15:13 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 18 04:15:10 2002 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:24:16 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with In-reply-to: <3D0ED56D.D5F7E69F@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618061229.00a873f0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> <5.1.0.14.0.20020617193310.00a849f0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/756 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: f,L"!U,I!!1H("!-Zp!! At 12:38 AM 6/18/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >Afraid not. Publicity and Promotions Committee has nothing to do >with this. Their primary assignment is to increase awareness of the >USGenWeb Project. We had previously discussed updating the "Information for Volunteers" page located at http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/volunteers.html and Holly determined that it would be better for the Publicity and Promotions Committee to work on that. Any specific instructions or assistance to Local Coordinators belong there and not within the guidelines. I can understand why some members may wish to set their copy permissions to include entire pages, especially if they are trying to ensure that anyone who copies data off their pages also includes the copyright notice or attribution information. I may not like it, but that is their perogative. In any case, your concern about setting copy permissions on web pages would fall under the category of "page design", which already encourages people to keep their pages simple. >Didn't we discuss the KISS policy months ago? This is where this >problem fall into. - into our hands. Our task is to write basic guidelines for the members of the project, not to address every conceivable issue that might come up. If we attempt to do that we will accomplish two things: 1) we will scare off potential volunteers; 2) we will seriously lessen the chances that the guidelines we propose will be passed by the Board and/or the membership. -Teresa From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 06:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IASxV2012162 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IASvJI009479 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IASDK16781; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:28:13 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:28:13 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 18 04:28:11 2002 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:37:05 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618063635.00a89850@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: Guidelines Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/757 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ;+5"!K57!!ISh!!+l&"! Comments from a member on the recent weekly report. -Teresa >A few comments on guidelines for Local Coordinators. > > >4. "Upon joining USGenWeb" - perhaps some place at the beginning it should >be clarified what membership in USGenWeb means - such as: is an LC >automatically a member? > >Also - I believe membership in the state mailing lists should directed only >to LCs and their assistants (We have other people on ours, such as former >coordinators and some who just happen onto them). > >5. Question? Are the state GenWebs allowed to have more restrictive >requirements? Iowa wants LCs to use a particular query board. > >6. As a newspaper editor, I would request you remove newspapers from your >lists of local resources. Most newspapers do not have the staff to answer >genealogical questions and most papers are on microfilm in libraries. >Perhaps it would be better to state where those microfilms are located. > >Under recommendations - I would like to see all pages created in such a >format that they can be printed on a normal size piece of paper - for >example, your guidelines do not print out fully on an 8 1/2 x11 page...... > >Thanks for listening, From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IAr3V2013453 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IAr2JI011724 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IAqIX31143; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:52:18 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:52:18 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 18 04:52:14 2002 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:59:49 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: Guidelines In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618063635.00a89850@radix.net> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618065225.00a91ec0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/758 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: n/d!!i#n!!K`n!!Sc!!! At 06:37 AM 6/18/02 -0400, merope wrote: >Comments from a member on the recent weekly report. And my comments inserted. :) >>4. "Upon joining USGenWeb" - perhaps some place at the beginning it should >>be clarified what membership in USGenWeb means - such as: is an LC >>automatically a member? The bylaws determine who is a member. >>Also - I believe membership in the state mailing lists should directed only >>to LCs and their assistants (We have other people on ours, such as former >>coordinators and some who just happen onto them). This would be up to the State Coordinator. I know some limit membership to the LCs of their state, but others do not. >>5. Question? Are the state GenWebs allowed to have more restrictive >>requirements? Iowa wants LCs to use a particular query board. There is nothign that I know of that limits the states from instituting their own guidelines, so long as they are not in conflict with the bylaws or the general guidelines. >>6. As a newspaper editor, I would request you remove newspapers from your >>lists of local resources. Most newspapers do not have the staff to answer >>genealogical questions and most papers are on microfilm in libraries. >>Perhaps it would be better to state where those microfilms are located. As a researcher, I am often looking for information from newspapers and they are valid resources for genealogists. Like any other resource listed, newspapers are free to turn down requests for lack of staff or time, charge for their services, direct inquiries elsewhere, ignore them, or make the copies as time allows. I don't see any reason to remove newspapers from the list of resources; if we did so, we can make the same case for every resource on the list (ever seen how understaffed some old churces are, or some county courthouses?) and then we will have no list of resources at all. >>Under recommendations - I would like to see all pages created in such a >>format that they can be printed on a normal size piece of paper - for >>example, your guidelines do not print out fully on an 8 1/2 x11 page...... This is a page design issue and we generally allow great latitude in page design. I don't see how we could justify restricting LCs in this fashion. -Teresa merope@radix.net -Teresa >>Thanks for listening, From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IBMqV2015089 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IBMpJI014444 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IBM7B10300; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:22:07 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:22:07 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Tue Jun 18 05:22:06 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618072302.0270cec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:23:59 -0400 Old-To: USGW-BYLAWS-L@rootsweb.com, USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: [BOARD-L] Volunteer Bill of Rights and Responsibilities Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/759 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ^fj!!N[C"!?d!!!BK\!! OK... sending the right message with this this time --------------------------------- I am forwarding this to the Bylaws and Guidelines Committees particularly as I would appreciate at least one of you volunteering. It is essential that the results of the committee below not conflict with the bylaws or guidelines nor should it significantly duplicate either. >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:44:18 -0400 >From: Holly Timm >Subject: [BOARD-L] Volunteer Bill of Rights and Responsibilities >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > >Several incidents over time have brought up the discussion at times of a >"Bill of Rights", most recently by some on the Bylaws Committee. Both the >Bylaws and Guidelines Committee are addressing clarifying and updating >some of the requirements, structure and procedure that is perhaps part of >how we deal with each other within the project but may not touch on all >areas particularly those touching on matters of respect and its opposite, >abuse. Although what has been most vocalized publicly is *abuse* or >*unfair treatment* of CC's, it is a two way street and SC's as well have >been abused as have other volunteers. > >I am therefore calling for volunteers and creating a Rights & >Responsibilities Committee to discuss and investigate these issues, and, >if they determine it appropriate, drafting a Volunteer Bill of Rights and >Responsibilities. It does need to be perfectly clear that those who >volunteer must be open to all sides of the problems, CC, SC, et cetera and >be willing to discuss and consider the issues with an open mind. This is >neither a *bashing* committee nor a *whitewash* committee. > >There are no qualifications regarding project position (except one must >have some position in the project) but volunteers must make some statement >as to why they feel they should be on the committee and why they feel they >can be open minded about it. Those interested in the being on the >committee should write me with the responses mentioned at usgenweb@cox.net > >Holly > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IBSCV2015397 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IBSBJI014910 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IBRQb13283; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:27:26 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:27:26 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Tue Jun 18 05:27:24 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618072432.0270b0c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:29:17 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] found another issue to deal with In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020617193310.00a849f0@radix.net> References: <3D0E2188.96125026@sampubco.com> <000e01c2160e$fac28340$337a010a@Dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/760 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: OeG"!D/f"!=n&"!,m4"! Teresa is correct, this is precisely the kind of subject that is appropriate for the Help Pages and as leader of the Help Pages team I will add it to the list. At 07:33 PM 6/17/02 -0400, merope wrote: >At 11:51 AM 6/17/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >>we should be caring for the researchers who visit. Especially the >>newbies and intermediate. >> >>And I DO know for a fact when I try to use computers at the Family >>History Library, the copy and paste is NOT an option at all. It's >>because their computers are configured to PRINT WHOLE PAGE, even if >>it is 100 pages long or not. This should give you an idea why the >>instructions for "copy and paste" should be given for the LCs to >>add to their sites. > >This would be a better topic for the "help pages" that I believe the >publicity and promotions committee is working on than in the guidelines. > >-Teresa From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IEq8V2001721 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IEq6JI009455 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IEpLN04623; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:21 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:21 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Tue Jun 18 08:51:20 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: Guidelines Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c216d7$70f9e440$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618063635.00a89850@radix.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <23ZOm.A._HB.pj0D9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/762 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 1Id"!I]_"!'0I!!-5-"! >4. "Upon joining USGenWeb" - perhaps some place at the beginning it >should be clarified what membership in USGenWeb means - such as: is an >LC automatically a member? Who would have thought people don't know? This might be a good idea. >Also - I believe membership in the state mailing lists should directed >only to LCs and their assistants (We have other people on ours, such as >former coordinators and some who just happen onto them). I agree but I think that's up to the SC. No 'happen on' people should be there because you have to be subscribed by your SC. >5. Question? Are the state GenWebs allowed to have more restrictive >requirements? Iowa wants LCs to use a particular query board. I assume the answer to this is yes. >6. As a newspaper editor, I would request you remove newspapers from >your lists of local resources. Most newspapers do not have the staff to >answer genealogical questions and most papers are on microfilm in >libraries. Perhaps it would be better to state where those microfilms >are located. I don't think this person speaks for all newspapers. Many are selling obits [and enforcing their copyright]. I don't think 'most' newspapers are on microfilm at the library. Ain't so in my county. IF the newspapers are available on microfilm at a local library [or maybe the state archives] it would be good to mention that. However, this would go on the helps page rather than guidelines I think. >Under recommendations - I would like to see all pages created in such a >format that they can be printed on a normal size piece of paper - for >example, your guidelines do not print out fully on an 8 1/2 x11 >page...... Me too. And I'd like the millionaire to visit once a week... Cheryl From ???@??? Tue Jun 18 16:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IEqCV2001728 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5IEqAJI009476 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5IEpId04551; Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:18 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:51:18 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Tue Jun 18 08:51:18 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Fwd: Re: Guidelines Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c216d7$6f0edd20$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020618065225.00a91ec0@radix.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/761 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: dKC!!~'H!!dhV"!G'W!! Do we strongly encourage the using of a mailing list to go with the pages? I use the mailing list to cover some of these issues that for one reason or another can't go on the pages. [Newspaper X is really nasty about obits. The trick to getting the clerk in county X to help is...] Cheryl From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 09:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LBqJV2005484 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LBqHJI021811 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5LBpUI11949; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:51:30 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 05:51:30 -0600 X-Original-Sender: rainelane@earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 05:51:27 2002 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020621074810.00ce65b0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: rainelane@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:52:33 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Questions for the Guidelines Committee Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/763 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: :Tl"!L<&!!f9*!!ND^!! In the NY SC election, this question was brought up to my attention. I think this question needs "specific" attention. I would hate to see some CC's be upset by this at this point. >A personal question which only applies to me... I am a webtv user, >which has a few limitations such as not being able to upload or >download, or open word documents (no hard drive). I do store data on my >Kings site, but would not be able to , for example, transcribe and >upload data to the archives. Sunny From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 09:40:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LDGbV2011266 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LDGZJI000859 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5LDFof23012; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:15:50 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:15:50 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Fri Jun 21 07:15:50 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <43.d4208ab.2a4480f7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:15:35 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Questions for the Guidelines Committee Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/764 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: QP/"!D&,#!(mi!!J^l!! If unable to upload, how would this person be an LC? How does this person put their web page online? I'm not familiar with webtv, so need some enlightenment. Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- INGenWeb Johnson County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/johnson/index.htm INGenWeb Bartholomew County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/bartholomew/index.htm INGenWeb Unknown County Coordinator www.ingenweb.net/unknown/index.htm Indiana Biographies, Johnson County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~injohnso/jcbiopage.html Indiana Biographies, Bartholomew County Coordinator www.rootsweb.com/~inbartho/bios/bcbiopage.html From ???@??? Fri Jun 21 09:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LDhmV2013535 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5LDhkJI004237 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5LDh0S12437; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:43:00 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:43:00 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Fri Jun 21 07:43:00 2002 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:51:32 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] Questions for the Guidelines Committee In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20020621074810.00ce65b0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020621094943.00a79b20@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <9L6mnB.A.KCD.k1yE9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/765 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ]\I"!*Ma"!SWe!!gY1!! At 07:52 AM 6/21/02 -0400, Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome wrote: >In the NY SC election, this question was brought up to my attention. I >think this question needs "specific" attention. I would hate to see some >CC's be upset by this at this point. > >>A personal question which only applies to me... I am a webtv user, >>which has a few limitations such as not being able to upload or >>download, or open word documents (no hard drive). I do store data on my >>Kings site, but would not be able to , for example, transcribe and >>upload data to the archives. We aren't recommending requiring that anyone transcribe or upload data. We are recommending that it be encouraged. -Teresa >Sunny From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 06:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5P1utV2005974 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5P1usJT016388 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5P1slh03684; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:54:47 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:54:47 -0600 X-Original-Sender: keith@giddeon.com Mon Jun 24 19:54:46 2002 From: "Keith Giddeon" Old-To: Subject: RE: [ALL-L] Responce to Mr Rigdon Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25530 X-Loop: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGENWEB-ALL-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: +DJ"!!!mA_"!#im"! Don, The GA Guidelines go beyond the USGW P bylaws and are valid and enforced. These guidelines did not fall from the sky. They were voted on and passed by an overwhelming margin, section-by-section. The closest vote on any section was 50-something to 8 or 9.Therefore they are valid. Don, please tell me that you are not advocating that state CCs do not have the right to pass their own state guidelines/bylaws? --Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Tharp [mailto:dontharp@onemain.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:12 PM > To: USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ALL-L] Responce to Mr Rigdon > > > Girl Cloud; > > I am not privy to the full text of the Georgia bylaws, but I am aware that > the controversy revolves around the time the bylaws were accepted by the > GAGenWeb membership and the time frame that those bylaws permitted > compliance with the GA bylaws. > > The controversy is *NOt* about what was on the pages before the > bylaws were > accepted by the membership. > > You seem to be conversant with those new bylaws, could you extract from > them the date they were accepted by the membership and the clause that > indicated the number of days to be given to the local sites to be brought > into compliance. That would certainly help those of us on this list that > have not seen your bylaws. If the bylaws have been violated as you contend > then it should be easy for you to inform us of such by forwarding the > material requested. > > Be that as it may, I do believe that our USGW P bylaws supersede those of > an state bylaws so I will call you attention to the fact that our > bylaws do > allow a *coordinator* to list for sale their own material as long as it is > not on the home page. > > The bylaws of Georgia exceed those of the USGW P and are therefore not > valid. Our bylaws do say that states may have additional requirements, but > they do not say that state bylaws can supersede those of the > national project. > > Perhaps another election is in order after the bylaws are rewritten to > comply with those of the national project. > > FROM THE USGWP BYLAWS > A website may list research materials and/or services which may be for > sale/hire, either by the *coordinator*, a genealogy society, or others. > Such a listing shall not be on the main web page for the site, but may be > linked from the main web page. > > WHAT YOU FORWARDED FROM THE GEORGIA STATE BYLAWS > Items will not be offered for sale by a GAGenWeb *Coordinator*, > or any entity > with whom the Coordinator may have a monetary interest. > Additionally, monies > will not be solicited on any GAGenWeb state or county page with the > following exceptions: > > > a) Professionally printed books, bound in hardcover or industry accepted > (perfect bound, etc) softcover, that contain information related to the > county or subject of the Web page on which it is offered. > b) Professionally manufactured CD-ROMs containing data related to the > county or subject of the Web page on which it is offered. > c) Requests for donations to a legitimate genealogy or historical > society. > > > Hopefully your material will help this list to arrive at consensus of who > is telling the truth and who is blowing hot air. > > Don Tharp > Host - Chautauqua county, Kansas > > > > > ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== > The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/02 ==== USGENWEB-ALL Mailing List ==== The USGenWeb Project is not a commercial project. From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 13:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NG6wV2015359 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.100]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g5NG6vJT015399 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 12:06:57 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-merope=radix.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2002 16:06:56 -0000 X-Sender: margie@majorinternet.net X-Apparently-To: dailyboardshow-owner@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63064 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2002 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2002 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.majorinternet.net) (63.82.121.14) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2002 16:06:56 -0000 Received: from q3e8j2 [24.92.94.53] by mail.majorinternet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A5FF2B4200B6; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c21ad0$676fdfe0$355e5c18@midsouth.rr.com> Reply-To: "Margie Daniels" From: "Margie Daniels" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623090301.00a24d90@radix.net> Subject: Re: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending 6/22/2002 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:09:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-eGroups-Moderators: dailyboardshow X-UIDL: \(F!!]e"#!98-!!1_%"! Page Design Issues: The Committee briefly discussed page design issues. One member suggested including a section that instructed members on how to design their pages so that visitors could copy and paste specific portions, as opposed to the entire page. This topic was deemed as more suitable for the Help pages subcommittee of the Publicity and Promotions Committee and was referred to them. ***** This will not be a problem if they keep going the way they are many County Coordinators will fold up their tents and just leave. If the visitor does not know how to copy and paste they are at the wrong site they should be using a tutorial to teach them how to copy and store records. Copy and paste does not stop there they have to know how to handle what is copied from that point. If as much time was spent on transcribing records and getting them online that these committees use we would have a wealth of information online. Just my thoughts on the subject. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: "Guidelines" ; ; "Daily Board Show" ; Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending 6/22/2002 > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Free $5 Love Reading > Risk Free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/0csqlB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 22 2002 > > === > > On June 16 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Three comments > were received from project members and forwarded for discussion. > > - > > Page Design Issues: The Committee briefly discussed page design > issues. One member suggested including a section that instructed members > on how to design their pages so that visitors could copy and paste specific > portions, as opposed to the entire page. This topic was deemed as more > suitable for the Help pages subcommittee of the Publicity and Promotions > Committee and was referred to them. > > - > > Rights and Responsibilities: USGenWeb National Coordinator Holly Timm > solicited the Committee for members for the proposed new Rights & > Responsibilities Committee. > > === > > The current version of the working document is posted > at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt > > Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist > > -Teresa Lindquist > Chair, Guidelines Committee > Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project > merope@radix.net > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > dailyboardshow-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 06/20/2002 From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 09:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NCtlV2005218 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NCtkJT029563 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5NCt1I03424; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:55:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:55:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 23 06:55:01 2002 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:04:06 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines , BOARD-L@rootsweb.com, Daily Board Show , USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623090301.00a24d90@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending 6/22/2002 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/766 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: =0'!!1GO"!Yp)"!_&%!! GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 22 2002 === On June 16 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. Three comments were received from project members and forwarded for discussion. - Page Design Issues: The Committee briefly discussed page design issues. One member suggested including a section that instructed members on how to design their pages so that visitors could copy and paste specific portions, as opposed to the entire page. This topic was deemed as more suitable for the Help pages subcommittee of the Publicity and Promotions Committee and was referred to them. - Rights and Responsibilities: USGenWeb National Coordinator Holly Timm solicited the Committee for members for the proposed new Rights & Responsibilities Committee. === The current version of the working document is posted at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 09:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ND3cV2005591 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5ND3bJT000410 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ND2qr24531; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:02:52 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:02:52 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 23 07:02:51 2002 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:11:30 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623090440.00a6f040@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: State Coordinator guidelines Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/767 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: eHT!!mc+!!:"=!!ScB!! OK, I think we are ready to wrap up our discussion of Local Coordinator guidelines; don't worry, we can revisit them later, when we are ready to finalize the full set of guidelines. Please everyone visit http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/statepage.html, and familiarize yourselves with the current SC guidelines. We will do this the same way as we did the LC guidelines, working more or less from the top down. To get us started, I would like to suggest something organizational with the workign document Several of the items apply generally to ALL members of the project and I would like to group them together at the top under a heading "General Requirements", rather than repeat them in both sets of guidelines. For right now, this will include the Logo, Funding, and Contact portions of the current working documents, and I will reword them slightly in order that they apply to all members and not just LCs. Does this work for everyone? -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 13:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NDpfV2008046 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NDpeJT004342 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5NDotx32434; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:55 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:50:55 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sun Jun 23 07:50:54 2002 Message-ID: <017101c21abc$fa1d8e50$34bc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623090440.00a6f040@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: State Coordinator guidelines Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:50:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/769 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 9OM"!0/h"!:+ > OK, I think we are ready to wrap up our discussion of Local Coordinator > guidelines; don't worry, we can revisit them later, when we are ready to > finalize the full set of guidelines. > > Please everyone visit http://www.usgenweb.com/volunteers/statepage.html, > and familiarize yourselves with the current SC guidelines. We will do this > the same way as we did the LC guidelines, working more or less from the top > down. > > To get us started, I would like to suggest something organizational with > the workign document Several of > the items apply generally to ALL members of the project and I would like to > group them together at the top under a heading "General Requirements", > rather than repeat them in both sets of guidelines. For right now, this > will include the Logo, Funding, and Contact portions of the current working > documents, and I will reword them slightly in order that they apply to all > members and not just LCs. > > Does this work for everyone? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > > From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 13:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NE33V2008709 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NE31JT005297 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5NE2G324630; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:02:16 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:02:16 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Sun Jun 23 08:02:16 2002 Message-ID: <01a501c21abe$90648390$34bc41d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:02:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/770 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ]#S"!/8!"!8\P!!adE"! As list owner for the state mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county coordinators. hmmm - what does this actually mean? Think it should be taken out, or corrected to state LC list. If it mean State genie list - well I know for a fact that the SC does not have the MI,WI or NJ lists. Items of interest? Maybe project business and items of interest. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists > Here are the top two items in the list of current SC guidelines: > > "State Mailing List: Each state is required to maintain a mail list to > which all county coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters > related to the project will be disseminated. As list owner for the state > mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county > coordinators. State coordinators should periodically check to make sure all > county coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." > > and > > "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join > the State Coordinators mail list. Send an email to the National Coordinator > at bwills@ionia-mi.net to be added to the mail list." > > Obviously the email address in the second one needs to be changed; it is > very out of date. Also, the link to the NC still goes to Tim Stowell, so > it should be changed as well. I would suggest the following wording for > this one: > > "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join > the State Coordinators mail list, SC-COORD-L. Send an email to the National > Coordinator to be added to the mail list." > > For the top one, I would suggest something like the following wording: > > "State Mailing List: Each State Coordinator is required to maintain a mail > list to which all Local Coordinators are subscribed. This is where all > matters related to the project will be disseminated and State Coordinators > should forward all items of interest to county coordinators." > > I'm not sure how specific to be with this. There have been some concerns > in the past with SCs who don't forward important information to their LCs, > including info on elections, so I think at the very least, SCs should be > _strongly encouraged_ if not outright required to forward this sort of > thing to their LCs. > > Comments? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net > > From ???@??? Mon Jun 24 06:56:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5O6goV2005108 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5O6gnJT002884 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5O6fv415811; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:41:57 -0600 Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:41:57 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Mon Jun 24 00:41:54 2002 Message-ID: <3D16BE9A.B34C27DA@sampubco.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:39:22 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/772 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 5ZO!!`a("!fFn!!8Q9"! Aside from the concerns, the descriptions are fine. The concerns that some SCs don't forward important information is still a problem with at least half of the states. David merope wrote: > > Here are the top two items in the list of current SC guidelines: > > "State Mailing List: Each state is required to maintain a mail list to > which all county coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters > related to the project will be disseminated. As list owner for the state > mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county > coordinators. State coordinators should periodically check to make sure all > county coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." > > and > > "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join > the State Coordinators mail list. Send an email to the National Coordinator > at bwills@ionia-mi.net to be added to the mail list." > > Obviously the email address in the second one needs to be changed; it is > very out of date. Also, the link to the NC still goes to Tim Stowell, so > it should be changed as well. I would suggest the following wording for > this one: > > "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join > the State Coordinators mail list, SC-COORD-L. Send an email to the National > Coordinator to be added to the mail list." > > For the top one, I would suggest something like the following wording: > > "State Mailing List: Each State Coordinator is required to maintain a mail > list to which all Local Coordinators are subscribed. This is where all > matters related to the project will be disseminated and State Coordinators > should forward all items of interest to county coordinators." > > I'm not sure how specific to be with this. There have been some concerns > in the past with SCs who don't forward important information to their LCs, > including info on elections, so I think at the very least, SCs should be > _strongly encouraged_ if not outright required to forward this sort of > thing to their LCs. > > Comments? > > -Teresa > merope@radix.net From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 06:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PA9kV2005939 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PA9jJT003768 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PA8x603138; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:08:59 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:08:59 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 25 04:08:57 2002 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:17:11 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-reply-to: <01a501c21abe$90648390$34bc41d8@JanCortez> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061232.00a88850@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/773 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: &4D"!Eg<"!AnH!!aUW"! At 10:02 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >As list owner for the state mail list, the state coordinator will forward >items of interest to county coordinators. > >hmmm - what does this actually mean? Think it should be taken out, or >corrected to state LC list. If it mean State genie list - well I know for a >fact that the SC does not have the MI,WI or NJ lists. It means the list managed by the State Coordinator to which all LCs are required to belong. The guidelines don't and shouldn't (IMO) refer to any other mailing lists associated with the county, such as any genealogy-oriented lists. I would even go so far as to encourage that SCs maintain separate lists for those purposes and that they not be combined. >Items of interest? Maybe project business and items of interest. OK. Or "items of interest related to the USGenWeb Project"? -Teresa From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 06:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PACtV2006129 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PACrJT003994 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PAC8506733; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:12:08 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:12:08 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 25 04:12:05 2002 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:19:50 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/775 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: oRp!!^%0!!0b,!!2";!! At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: >Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are >tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode >Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is need >for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" may be >advisable? From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing list of all local-level coordinators." So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they are not states. -Teresa From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 06:35:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PACJV2006111 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PACIJT003974 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PABX606131; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:11:33 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 04:11:33 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Tue Jun 25 04:11:29 2002 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:20:36 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061959.00a8b9e0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Member comment Resent-Message-ID: <7Q9kq.A.dfB.VHEG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/774 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: *#I!!-V%"!,$!"!Y@m!! From a project member: >Page Design Issues: The Committee briefly discussed page design >issues. One member suggested including a section that instructed members >on how to design their pages so that visitors could copy and paste specific >portions, as opposed to the entire page. This topic was deemed as more >suitable for the Help pages subcommittee of the Publicity and Promotions >Committee and was referred to them. > >***** This will not be a problem if they keep going the way they are many >County Coordinators will fold up their tents and just leave. If the visitor >does not know how to copy and paste they are at the wrong site they should >be using a tutorial to teach them how to copy and store records. Copy and >paste does not stop there they have to know how to handle what is copied >from that point. > >If as much time was spent on transcribing records and getting them online >that these committees use we would have a wealth of information online. > >Just my thoughts on the subject. From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 19:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PFxnV2002763 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PFxmJT014411 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PFwwk32050; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:58:58 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:58:58 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Tue Jun 25 09:58:58 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] Member comment Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c21c61$131c9180$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061959.00a8b9e0@radix.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/776 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 6*7!!W4&#!E!4!!677!! Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 I tend to agree.... -----Original Message----- From: merope [mailto:merope@Radix.Net] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:21 AM To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Member comment From a project member: >Page Design Issues: The Committee briefly discussed page design issues. >One member suggested including a section that instructed members on how >to design their pages so that visitors could copy and paste specific >portions, as opposed to the entire page. This topic was deemed as more >suitable for the Help pages subcommittee of the Publicity and >Promotions Committee and was referred to them. > >***** This will not be a problem if they keep going the way they are >many County Coordinators will fold up their tents and just leave. If >the visitor does not know how to copy and paste they are at the wrong >site they should be using a tutorial to teach them how to copy and >store records. Copy and paste does not stop there they have to know >how to handle what is copied from that point. > >If as much time was spent on transcribing records and getting them >online that these committees use we would have a wealth of information >online. > >Just my thoughts on the subject. From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 19:01:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PHFwV2009619 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PHFvJT024937 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PHF8332762; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:15:08 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:15:08 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cristian@netonecom.net Tue Jun 25 11:15:08 2002 Message-ID: <014a01c21c6b$cf0365e0$20b841d8@JanCortez> From: "Jan Cortez" Old-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:07:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/777 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: QN-!!p)_"!Z-N!!JdU!! Vermont does not have a list either. We do a forward all to the few LC's we have there. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "merope" > At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: > > >Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are > >tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode > >Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is need > >for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" may be > >advisable? > > From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed > to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing list > of all local-level coordinators." > > So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the > bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or > possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they are > not states. > > -Teresa > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 25 19:01:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PL85V2000063 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5PL83JT025373 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5PL6Jh26236; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:06:19 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:06:19 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Tue Jun 25 15:06:18 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020625170720.00a38ec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:08:18 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <014a01c21c6b$cf0365e0$20b841d8@JanCortez> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4zoQNC.A.nYG.KtNG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/778 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: D-T!!6Y="!hFG"!&Cc"! Perhaps the definition of mail list can include a list of emails when a state is very small? At 01:07 PM 6/25/02 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote: >Vermont does not have a list either. We do a forward all to the few LC's we >have there. > >Jan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "merope" > > > > At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: > > > > >Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are > > >tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode > > >Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is >need > > >for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" may be > > >advisable? > > > > From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed > > to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing list > > of all local-level coordinators." > > > > So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the > > bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or > > possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they >are > > not states. > > > > -Teresa > > > > > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 06:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5Q2e8V2025125 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5Q2e7JT004828 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5Q2dAr21086; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:39:10 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:39:10 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Tue Jun 25 20:39:09 2002 Message-ID: <3D1928A9.7651BB54@sampubco.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:36:25 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: Guidelines-L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/779 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ]``!!ENG!!~*U!!n)*#! Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 29-30 Last Will and Testament of W. G. Boyer Filed July 8th, 1893, J. W. Morrow, County Clerk In the Name of God: Amen, Know all Men, that I W. G. Boyer of Heppner, Morrow County in the state of Oregon of the age thirty eight years, being of sound and disposing mind and memory, and not acting under duress, menance, fraud or undue influence of any person whomsoever, do make, pubish and declare this my last Will and Testament, in manner and form following to wit: First: It is my will, and I do order, that all my just debts, and funeral expenses be duly paid and satisified as soon as conveintly can be done after my decease. Second: I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife Eliza Jane Boyer all my real and personal property and estate of whatsoever kind or nature during her natural life and after her death then to my children share and share alike and in case any of my children shall die before my said wife, leaving issue, then it is my will that the issue of my said child shall receive such share of my said estate as my said child would receive had it survived its mother. But it is hereby provided that if my said wife should marry at any time after my death then all my said estate shall be divided equally between my said wife and my children, Ethel Low, Glen and Guy share and share alike. It is my will that my said wife shall have the same power and authority to sell and dispose of my said estate and execute conveyances therefor as I now have myself, and that she shall in case of sale of property apply the proceeds to the support of herself and children as she may deem best. And lastly, I nominate, constitute and appoint my said wife Eliza Jane Boyer my executrix without bonds to be the executrix of this my last will hereby revoking all other wills, legacies and bequests by me heretofore made, and declaring this and no other, to be my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand, this thirtieth day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and ninety three. W. G. Boyer The above instrument was at the date thereof signed, sealed, published and declared by the said W. G. Boyer as and for his last will and testament in presence of us, who, at his request and in his presence, and in the presence of each other, have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto, George W. Couser, residing at Heppner, Oregon D. W. Ayers, Sr., residing at Heppner, Oregon Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 39-40 William H. Cradick Filed 14 August 1896, J. W. Morrow, Clerk In the name of God, Amen, I, William H. Cradick of the County of Morrow and State of Oregon of the age of fifty nne years and being of sound and disposing mind and memory, and not acting under duress, menace, fraud, or unduly influence of any person whatever do make and publish and declare this my last Will and Testament, in manner following that is to say. First, I direct that my body be decently buried with proper regard to my station and condition in life, and the circumstances of my estate. Secondly, I direct that my exeutor hereinafter named as soon as he has sufficent funds in his hands, pay my funeral expences and the expenses of my last sickness. Thirdly, I give and bequeath to my daughter Francis J. Gordon, wife of William Gordon of Heppner, County of Morrow and State of Oregon, the sum of one hundred Dollars; and to my daughter Mary E. Moore, wife of Asa Moore of Milton, County of Umatilla and State of Oregon, the sum of one Hundred Dollars and ot my son James F. Cradick of Milton, County of Umatilla and State of Oreogn, the sum of Twenty five Dollars and to my son Charles W. Cradick, of the County of Morrow and State of Oreogn, one span of horses which he is to select out of my stock or in lieu thereof the sum of one hundred Dollars, whichever he may elect to take which said several legacies or sums of money I direct and order to be paid to the said legatees, after first paying an fully satisfying all my just debts, and the expenses of administration. Fourthly, I give and bequeath all the rest residue, and remainder of my real and personal estate, goods and chattels of whatever kind or nature owned by me at the time of my death to my son John W. Cradick of the County of Morrow and State of Oregon. Lastly; I hereby nominate and appoint my said son John W. Cradick the executor of this my last Will and Testament, without bonds, and hereby revoke all former wills by me made. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of November, in the eyar of our Lord, one thousand Eight hundred and Ninety one. William H. Cradick The foregoing instrument, consisting of one page besides this was at the date hereof by the said William H. Cradick, signed and sealed and published as, and declared to be, his last Will and Testament in presence of us, who at his request, and in his presence and in the presence of each other, have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto. George Cousen Frank Gilliam Frank Kellogg Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 49 E. L. Matlock filed Sept 1st, 1899, Vawter Crawford, Clerk, by Wm. Smith, Deputy Be it remembered, that, I, E. L. Matlock of Heppner, Morrow County State of Oregon, being of sound mind and memory, but knowing the uncertainty of this life, do make and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament: 1. I hereby order and direct my executor to pay all of my just debts and liabilities. 2. I hereby will and bequeath to my daughter Martha Roberts all of the following described real property situated in the City of Heppner, County of Morrow and State of Oregon, to wit: Lot. No. Three (3) in Block No. Thirteen (13) in Stansbury's Addition to Heppner, as platted and said plat recorded in the office of the County Clerk of Morrow County. 3. I hereby will and bequeath to my son Leslie L. Matlock all the rest and residue of my real property wheresoever situated, under the terms and conditions, that the said Leslie L. Matlock shall at his own expense cloth my daughter, Bertha Matlock, ina proper manner and according to her station in life, and keep her at school at some suitable and competent educational institution, until she arrives at the age of twenty one years, or until she marries. 4. I hereby will and bequeath to my said Bertha Matlock all my cattle without reserve. 5. I hereby will and bequeath to my granddaughter, Edna Florence the Sum of five dollars. 6. I hereby will and bequeath to my granddaughter, Lavelle Florence, the sum of five dollars. 7. I hereby will and bequeath to my daughter, Minnie Vaughn, the sum of five dollars. 8. I hereby will and bequeath to my daughter, May Ayers, the sum of five dollars. 9. I hereby will and bequeath all the rest of my personal property to my children, Martha Roberts, Leslie L. Matlock, Minnie Vaughn, May Ayers, and Bertha Matlock in equal shares, Each of said children to share and share alike. I hereby name, constitute and appoint Leslie L. Matlock to be the sole executor of this my last will and testament, and I further order and direct that he be not required to be give any bond for the faithful, or other discharge of his the duties of said office as such executor. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and in the presence of two witnesses declared this to be my last will and testament this 15th day fo April 1899. E. L. Matlock On this 15th day of April, 1899, E. L. Matlock of Heppner, Morrow County, State of Oregon signed the foregoing instrument in our presence, declaring it ot be his last will and testament and as witnesses thereto we two do now, at his request, in his presence and in the presence of each other, hereto subscribe our names. P. B. McSwords, residence, Heppner, Morrow County, Oregon George Conser, residence, Heppner, Morrow County, Oregon Statements of subcribers filed 1 Sept 1899 by witnesses, George Conser, 29 July 1899, notary Public C. E. Redfield P. B. McSwords, 29 July 1899, notary C. E. Redfield Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 15 Will of Joseph L. Jones Filed Aug. 29th 1888, C. L. Andrews, Clerk In the name of God, Amen: I, Joseph L. Jones of the age of fifty one years and being of sound and disposing mind and memory and not acting under duress, menance, fraud or undue influence of any person whatever, do make and publish and declare this my last will and Testament in manner following that is to say: First = I direct that my body be decently buried with proper regard to my station and condition in Life and the circumstances of my Estate. Secondly: I direct that my executor hereinafter named as soon as he has sufficient funds in his hands, pay my funeral expenses and the expenses of my Last sickness. Thirdly: I hereby give and bequeath and devise all my pesonal and Real property of whatever nature and kind in Klickitat County, Washington Territory, comprising horses, cattle, land and improvements on land to my brother Harry Jones of near Heppner, Or. Fourthly: I give bequeath and devise all my Interests Legal and equitable in and to all my mining claims and lodes in Howling Flat, Sierra County, California and all other of my Real and Personal property in California to my Brother in Law Wm. W. Sim of near Sacremento California. Fiftly. I hereby give bequeath and devise all my interest in and to the present railroad claim on which Mrs. Emma Kilcup now resides to said Mrs. Emma Kilcup. Sixthly: I hereby give and bequeath and devise all the rest of my property Real and personal, cash and notes equally half and half between my said Brother Harry Jones and Mrs. Emma Kilcup. Seventhly: I hereby declare pubish and expressly provide that in case Mrs. Emma Kilcup (who is now a widow) marries again before my death, she the said Mrs. Emma Kilcup is in such event to only receive my interest only in the said Rail Road claim on which she now lives and no more of my Real or Personal property or Estate whatsoever or at all, and that in such event the whole of my Real and Personal property, cash and notes is to become the sole property of my said Brothe rHarry Jones only and I do hereby will declare and upon said condition make known the same. Eighthly: I do hereby give bequeath and devise to my wife Laura Jones the sum of Twenty Five dollars and no more and hereby will and declare that she shall not be entitled or have any of my property whatsoever except said sum of Twenty Five Dollars. My reasons for so doing are that she has proven herself to be a vile, intrue, drunken and profane wife wholly unfit as a companion for any decent man and a disgrace to her sex, she having threatened to kill, poison, burn and otherwise injure me and has rendered my Life unhappy and so much so that we cannot live again together as man and wife. Lastly: I hereby nominate and appoint my said brother Harry Jones of near Heppner Oregon the Executor of thsi my last will and Testament without bonds, and hereby revoke all former wills by me made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 8th day of May A.D. 1888. In presence of Joseph L. Jones (seal) witnesses below. The foregoing instrument consisting of two pages besides this was at the date hereof by the said Joseph L. Jones signed and sealed and published as, and declared to be his last will and Testament in presence of us who at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto. Geo. Wm. Wright, residing at Heppner, Oregon W. J. Leezer, residing at Heppner, Oregon Now on this 8th day of May 1888, personally came Joseph L.Jones the above name person personally known to me and subscribed and acknowledge the above to be his last Will and Testament. Geo. Wm. Wright (seal) Notary Public for Oregon Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 19 Will of John C. Spray Filed Feby 26, 1891 at 4 p.m., J. W. Morrow, clerk I, John C. Spray, of the Town of Heppner, County of Morrow, State of Oregon being awre of the uncertainty of life and in failing health but of sound mind and memory, do make and declare this to be my last will and testament in manner following to wit: First. I give devise and bequeath unto my youngest son, Abram Lilcoln [sic] Spray two thirds of my farm owned by my self nea rEight Mile P.O. consisting of three hundred and twenty acres, with two thirds of all the houses, tenements and improvements thereunto - belonging, to have and to hold unto my said son, his heirs and assigns forever, and I also direct my aforesaid son and daughters the some of twenty five dollars each in four years. Second, I give, devise and bequeath unto my wife Catharine Spray one third of my farm owned by myself near Eight Mile P.O. consisting three hundred and twenty acres with one thrid of all the houses tenements and improvements thereunto belonging: to have and to hold unto my said wife her heirs and assigns forever. And Lastely, [sic] I nominate and appoint as executor of this my last will and testamentary youngest son Abraham Lilcoln [sic] Spray. I further direct that my debts and necessary funeral expenses shal [sic] be paid from promisory notes paiable [sic] to me. In witness whereof I John C. Spray to this my last will and testament have hereunto set my hand and seal this ninth day of January eighteen hundred and ninety one. Signed, sealed and declared by John C. Spray as and for his last will and testament in the presence of us who at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names hereunto as witnesses thereof. John C. Spray (seal) Mrs. W. H. McAtee T. A. Kieffer Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 22 The Last Will and Testament of Ann Elizabeth Allen filed May 12, 1891, at 2 p.m., J. W. Morrow, Clerk The Last will and testament of Mrs. Ann Elizabeth Allyn, wife of Pettysville, Morrow County,Oregon. I, Ann Elizabeth Allyn considering the uncertainty of this mortal ife and being of sound mind and memory (Blessed be Almighty God for the same) do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form following (that is to say). First, I give and bequeath unto Frederick Gienger, now of Pilot Rock, Umatilla County, Oregon, John Gienger, now of Hamilton, Grant County, Oregon, Catherine Pettys (wife of Manuel Pettys), Caroline Sparks, Louisa Rose and Mary Fry, the following property (Real Estate) to wit: the NW 1/4 of Section 20 in Township 1 North of Range 24 East Willamette Meridian. The said quarter section to be sold and the proceeds divided equally between the said above named heirs after my death. I also give and bequeath my home place containing 162 (One Hundred and Sixty- two) acres on Willow Creek, Morrow County, Oregon to my beloved husband Thomas Jefferson Allyn for his use and benefit during his natural life; after his death this property with the stock and chattels connected therewith (what may be remaining on the place) to go to George Wasington Gienger my soon [sic son]. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the 26th day of September in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eighty-Eight. Ann Elizabeth Allyn (her x mark) The above instrument was signed by the testator in our presence and she acknowledged it be her last will and testament. Alive Leach, witness Carrie Nunan, witness Wm. L. Halley, witness The above instrument consisting of this one sheet of paper was at the date hereof declared to me by the testator Mrs. Ann Elizabeth Allyn to be her last will and testament and she then acknowledge to me that she had subscribed to the same which she had subscribed to in my presence at my office in Lexington, Morrow County, Oregon on the 26th day of September 1888. (Seal) Jerry Nunan Notary Public Lexington, Oregon Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 37 In the County Court of the State of Oregon, for the County of Morrow Int he matter of the Estate of Justus Beaman, deceased} will, filed Jan 3d 1896, J. W. Morrow, County Clerk State of Oregon, County of Morrow, Heppner Precinct} Being of sound mind but in very poor health do this day make my final will and testament. First. Unto my beloved wife Eliza Beaman I give and bequeath all my property both real and personal subject to the following conditions. Second. That she pays all my just and honest debts and pay all my funeral expenses. Third. It is my wish and will that my wife shall pay unto my two sons and two daughters and one grandson namely, Justus M. Beaman and Elmer Beaman, Mrs. Ida B. Cox, and Olive E Beaman and Winnie W. Carrico to each the sum of 5 (five) dollars to be paid to them within a reasonable time after my death. Fourth. It is further my will that my wife shall manage all business pertaining to the care of all property left to her by this will. Fifth. The foregoing provisions of this will shall hold good so long as my wife shall remain my widow. But if she in her judgment sees fit to be married again then all property remaining in her hands at that time that was left by me shall be divided equally and she shall have one half and the other half shall be divided equally between the foregoing named filed children of mine. Witness this day my hand and seal this the 3 day of November AD 1890. Justus Beaman (seal) In presence of John Gentry, Wm. Barton. Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 44 John N. Elaer filed 28 Jul 1899, Vawter Crawford, County Clerk In the Name of God, Amen, Know all men, that I, John M. Elder, of Heppner, County of Morrow, State of Oregon of the age of sixty three years, being of sound and disposing mind and memory, and not acting under duress, menace, fraud, or under influence of any person whomsoever, do make, publish, and declare this my last Will and Testament, in manner and form following, to wit: First, It is my will and I do order, that all my jsut debts and funeral expenses be duly paid and satisfied as soon as conveniently can be done after my decease. Second, I give and bequeath unto my beloved wife, Lucinda Elder, one third (1/3) of my property both real and personal of which I may be possessed and wheresoever situated, at the time of my decease. Third, I give and bequeath unto my son, Benjamin Franklin Elder, one third (1/3) of all my property both real and personal, of which I may be possessed and wheresoever situate at the time of my decease. Fourth, I give and bequeath unto my sons, Charles Oliver Elder; James Lewis Elder and my daughter Mary Belle Bucknum and my grandson Fredrick L. Elder share and share alike the remaining one third (1/3) of all my property both real and personal, of which I may be possessed, and wheresoever situate, at the time of my decease. And Lastly, I nominate, constitute and appoint my wife Lucinda Elder to be the executrix of this, my last Will, hereby revoking all other wilsl, legacies and bequests by me heretofore made, and declare this, and no other to be my Last Will and Testament and I further will that my wife be not required to give bonds. In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, this second day of June, in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Ninety-Nine. John N. Elder (seal) The above instrument was, at the date thereof signed, sealed, pubished and declared by the said John N. Elder, as and for his Last Will and Testament in presence of us, who, at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other, have subscribed our names as witnesses thereto: Jas Jones, residing at Heppner, Oregon N. S. Whetstone, residing at Heppner, Oregon In the County Court of the State of Oregon for Morrow County, In the matter of the Estate of John N. Elder, deceased Testimony of Subscribing witnesses to will, filed Aug. 11, 1899, Vawter Crawford, County Clerk State of Oregon, County of Morrow} ss I, James Jones, of lawful age and a competent witness being first duly sworn in open court estify as follows: I reside in the City of Heppner, County of Morrow, and State of Oregon. I knew John N. Elder in his life time and the time of witnessing his will hereinafter mentioned, he was a resident of the city of Heppner, County of Morrow and state of Oregon and was such resident at the time of his death, he died on the 5th day of June A.D. 1899 and left estate in the County of Morrow, State of Oregon. The instrument now shown me marked as filed in this County onf the 28th day of July A.D. 1899, purporting to be the last Will and Testament of said deceased was signed by said John N. Elder, deceased, at his home in the City of Heppner County of Morrow and State of Oregon on the 2nd day of June A.D. 1899, the day it bears date, in the presence of myself and N. S. Whetstone, the other subscribing witness with whom I was acquainted at the time of witnessing said Will and the said John N. Elder thereupon published the said instrument as: and declared the same to be his last Will and Testament and requested us in attestation thereof the sign the same as witnesses. The said N. S. Whetstone and I then and there, in the presence of John N. Elder, deceased, and in the presence of each other subscribing our names as witnesses to said instrument. At the time of executing said instrument, the said John N. Elder, deceased was over the age of 21 years, to wit: of the age of 63 years or thereabouts, and was of sound and disposing mind, and nor under any restraint, undue influence, or fraudulent misrepresentations. James Jones The above testimony being reduced to writing, was signed by the witness the said James Jones and was subscribed and sworn, to in a open court before me this 11th day of Aug A.D., 1899 Vawter Crawford, County Clerk The above statement is repeated same by N. S. Whetstone of Heppner. Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 34 State of Oregon, County of Umatilla } ss In the matter of the Estate of Robert Douglass, deceased. Filed for the record and probate June 9th 1880. Letters Testamentary filed Oct. 10th 1894, J. W. Morrow Clerk J. B. Keeney, clerk To all Persons to whom these presence shall come greeting, Know ye that the will of Robert Douglass, deceased, a copy of which is hereto attached has been duly proven in the County Court for the County aforesaid, and that William M. Douglass who is named as executor therein, has been duly appointed such executor by the Court aforesaid this therefore authorizes the said William M. Douglass to administer the estate of the said Robert Douglass, deceased according to law. In testimony whereof I, J. B. Keeney, clerk of the said County Court have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the seal of said Court, this 3 day of August 1888. [seal - County Court, Umatilla Co., State of Oregon] J. B. Keeney, clerk by M. F. White, deputy State of Oregon, County of Umatilla] ss It do solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Oregon, and that I will faithfully perform, according to law, the duties of executor of the estate of Robert Douglass, deceased, so help me God, Will In the name of God, I Robert Douglass of the County of Umatilla, State of Oregon of the age of thirty three years, and being of sound mind and memory do make, publish and declare this my last Will and Testament, in manner following that is to say. I give and bequeath to my son William M. Douglass all my real estate and personal property of all kinds I may be possessed of at the time of my death, the following sums of money to be paid by said William Douglass to my children. First: To Ann Eliza the sum of two hundred dollars. Second: To Sophy Jane the sum of two hundred dollars. Third: To John Levi the sum of two hundred dollars. I hereby appoint my son the said William M. Douglass sole executor of this my last Will and Testament without requiring any security whatever. Robert [his mark x] Douglass The within instrument was at the date thereof signed, sealed published and declared by the said Robert Douglass and for his last will and testament in presenc eof us, at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other have subscribed our names as witness thereto and the above instrument was at the date thereof declared to us by the said Robert Douglass the testator therein mentioned, to be his last will and testament, and he at the same acknowledged to as and to each of us that he signed and sealed the same and we thereupon at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other, signed our names thereunto as attesting witnesses dated the 23rdof March 1880. Umatilla County, State of Oregon. Lucus D. Smith Manuel J. Sylvia C. A. Gridley State of Oregon } County of Umatilla } I, J. B. Keeney County Clerk in and for Umatilla County, State of Oregon do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and correct copy of the Last Will of Robert Douglass, decd as the same now appear of Record in my office and in my custody and the whole thereof. Witness my hand and the seal of the County Court hereunto affixed this 3rd day of August A.D. 1880. J. B. Keeney Co. Clk State of Oregon} County of Umatilla} ss I, B. S. Burroughs County clerk in and for said county and state, and ex- officio Clerk of the Circuit Court of the State of Oregon for Umatilla County do hereby certify that the foregoing has been by me compared with the original and that it is a correct transcript therefrom and of the whole of such original, as the same appears of record and on file at my office and in my custody. In Testimony Whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said Court this 19th day of July A.D. 1894. {seal} B. S. Burroughs, Clerk, by deputy From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:12:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QDmkV2005753 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QDmjJT010119 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QDltS22126; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:55 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:55 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Wed Jun 26 07:47:54 2002 Message-ID: <3D19C565.28F76262@sampubco.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:45:09 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626060952.00a99de0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7igLu.A.kZF.LYcG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/781 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: G]p!!kNj"!&< > At 08:36 PM 6/25/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 29-30 > > > >Last Will and Testament of W. G. Boyer > >Filed July 8th, 1893, J. W. Morrow, County Clerk > > [snip] > > David, > > While this was fascinating, it is off topic for this list and beyond the > scope of the committee's duties. > > -Teresa From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 06:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QADrV2022001 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QADqJT018292 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QA3l232012; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 04:03:47 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 04:03:47 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 26 04:03:45 2002 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:10:36 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! In-reply-to: <3D1928A9.7651BB54@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626060952.00a99de0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/780 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: [#="!)9'#![pH"!GVJ!! At 08:36 PM 6/25/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >Morrow County, OR; Volume A, page 29-30 > >Last Will and Testament of W. G. Boyer >Filed July 8th, 1893, J. W. Morrow, County Clerk [snip] David, While this was fascinating, it is off topic for this list and beyond the scope of the committee's duties. -Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 13:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NFZ5V2013492 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NFZ4JT012691 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5NFYEr05288; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:34:14 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:34:14 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Sun Jun 23 09:34:14 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:36:08 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/771 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: WjA!!FZ;!!-*F!!c'N"! At 09:18 AM 6/23/02 -0400, merope wrote: >Here are the top two items in the list of current SC guidelines: > >"State Mailing List: Each state is required to maintain a mail list to >which all county coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters >related to the project will be disseminated. As list owner for the state >mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county >coordinators. State coordinators should periodically check to make sure >all county coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is need for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" may be advisable? >and > >"State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join >the State Coordinators mail list. Send an email to the National >Coordinator at bwills@ionia-mi.net to be added to the mail list." > >Obviously the email address in the second one needs to be changed; it is >very out of date. Also, the link to the NC still goes to Tim Stowell, so >it should be changed as well. I would suggest the following wording for >this one: > >"State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join >the State Coordinators mail list, SC-COORD-L. Send an email to the >National Coordinator to be added to the mail list." > >For the top one, I would suggest something like the following wording: > >"State Mailing List: Each State Coordinator is required to maintain a mail >list to which all Local Coordinators are subscribed. This is where all >matters related to the project will be disseminated and State Coordinators >should forward all items of interest to county coordinators." > >I'm not sure how specific to be with this. There have been some concerns >in the past with SCs who don't forward important information to their LCs, >including info on elections, so I think at the very least, SCs should be >_strongly encouraged_ if not outright required to forward this sort of >thing to their LCs. > >Comments? > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QHadV2026779 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QHabJT009167 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QHZlj28792; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:35:47 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:35:47 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Wed Jun 26 11:35:47 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626132840.0302fec0@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:30:08 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <3F41wC.A.wBH.ztfG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/782 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: D'Q"!6Z("![E2"!W?e"! At 11:36 AM 6/23/02, you wrote: >At 09:18 AM 6/23/02 -0400, merope wrote: >>Here are the top two items in the list of current SC guidelines: >> >>"State Mailing List: Each state is required to maintain a mail list to >>which all county coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters >>related to the project will be disseminated. As list owner for the state >>mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county >>coordinators. State coordinators should periodically check to make sure >>all county coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." > >Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are >tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode >Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is need >for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" may be >advisable? Instead of making it confusing with exceptions, maybe we should just leave it "maintain a mailing list." If there are only 2 or 3 people a SC needs to contact, then that is their mailing list, and they'll know there's no need to keep a 'formal' mailing list like xxx-L@rootsweb.com. Morgan From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QHdJV2027077 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QHdIJT009410 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QHcQe31490; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:38:26 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:38:26 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Wed Jun 26 11:38:26 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626133103.03056030@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:32:51 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/783 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: D,R!!40o"!f](#!alU!! At 06:19 AM 6/25/02, you wrote: >At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: > >>Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are >>tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode >>Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is >>need for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" >>may be advisable? > > From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed > to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing > list of all local-level coordinators." > >So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the >bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or >possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they >are not states. > >-Teresa Sorry, this is the same point of my last email - " . . . maintain a current mailing list of all local-level coordinators." It doesn't say where or how, so it's fine, even for DC or Delaware, etc. If the SC has an address book entry in their email program to go to the one or two other people in their small state, then that's their mailing list so they met the requirement. Morgan From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QIq6V2003528 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QIq4JT018435 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QIoFq05599; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:50:15 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:50:15 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Wed Jun 26 12:50:15 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c21d42$26b41ba0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D19C565.28F76262@sampubco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/784 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: \L[!!RQZ"!i%]!!*Sl!! I think you have beaten that horse to death David... Cheryl From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKD6V2011348 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKD4JT029065 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QKCCE24354; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:12:12 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:12:12 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Wed Jun 26 14:12:11 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:11:53 -0500 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626133103.03056030@mail.usroots.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/785 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: +HB"!%b@!!e$>!!WH:"! Perhaps we need to include private email as an alternative, but with wording that makes it mandatory that any USGW P business mailed to any CC in the state must be mailed to all. Other wise some SC that gets mad at one of their CCs will just leave them off private email list or even contend they didn't think all CCs would be interested. Might even program their server to prevent the CC from communicating with the SC. Which brings up a concern. I have been informed of SCs deleting CCs from their state mail list. We probably need more teeth in this requirement. At the minimum every CC should be able to receive the list mail. I can understand that an SC would want to be able to restrict input to the list because of the actions of some CC, but no SC should be allowed to prevent their CCs from receiving the list mailings. Don At 01:32 PM 6/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: >At 06:19 AM 6/25/02, you wrote: >>At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: >> >>>Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are >>>tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode >>>Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is >>>need for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" >>>may be advisable? >> >> From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed >> to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing >> list of all local-level coordinators." >> >>So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the >>bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or >>possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they >>are not states. >> >>-Teresa > >Sorry, this is the same point of my last email - " . . . maintain a current >mailing list of all local-level coordinators." It doesn't say where or how, >so it's fine, even for DC or Delaware, etc. >If the SC has an address book entry in their email program to go to the one >or two other people in their small state, then that's their mailing list so >they met the requirement. > >Morgan > From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKoDV2014637 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKoCJT004066 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QKn1929965; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:49:01 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:49:01 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Wed Jun 26 14:49:01 2002 Message-ID: <3D1A2871.7407D73B@wf.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:47:45 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/786 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: c9K"!&:]"!5Dg!!4"$#! Don I am sure that all of the CC's you know are perfect little angels. Darn my luck in my state they are a bit more human. In fact some are down right contrary. That doesn't make them bad CC's. I don't see a need to make subscription to a mailing list, by it's self cause for removal of a CC. Good SC's will find ways to get the necessary info to them. Even if they don't appreciate it. Richard... Don Tharp wrote: > > > Which brings up a concern. I have been informed of SCs deleting CCs from > their state mail list. We probably need more teeth in this requirement. At > the minimum every CC should be able to receive the list mail. I can > understand that an SC would want to be able to restrict input to the list > because of the actions of some CC, but no SC should be allowed to prevent > their CCs from receiving the list mailings. > > Don > > At 01:32 PM 6/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >At 06:19 AM 6/25/02, you wrote: > >>At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: > >> > >>>Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are > >>>tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode > >>>Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is > >>>need for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" > >>>may be advisable? > >> > >> From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed > >> to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing > >> list of all local-level coordinators." > >> > >>So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the > >>bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or > >>possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they > >>are not states. > >> > >>-Teresa > > > >Sorry, this is the same point of my last email - " . . . maintain a current > >mailing list of all local-level coordinators." It doesn't say where or how, > >so it's fine, even for DC or Delaware, etc. > >If the SC has an address book entry in their email program to go to the one > >or two other people in their small state, then that's their mailing list so > >they met the requirement. > > > >Morgan > > -- Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKrtV2014885 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QKrrJT004441 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QKqpt02046; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:52:51 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:52:51 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Wed Jun 26 14:52:51 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c21d53$3c195760$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/787 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: bpR"!6?A"!6U-"!K5:"! Are there read only lists -- is that possible on Rootsweb? An SC could make the required list read only, no posting. -----Original Message----- From: Don Tharp [mailto:dontharp@onemain.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:12 PM To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Perhaps we need to include private email as an alternative, but with wording that makes it mandatory that any USGW P business mailed to any CC in the state must be mailed to all. Other wise some SC that gets mad at one of their CCs will just leave them off private email list or even contend they didn't think all CCs would be interested. Might even program their server to prevent the CC from communicating with the SC. Which brings up a concern. I have been informed of SCs deleting CCs from their state mail list. We probably need more teeth in this requirement. At the minimum every CC should be able to receive the list mail. I can understand that an SC would want to be able to restrict input to the list because of the actions of some CC, but no SC should be allowed to prevent their CCs from receiving the list mailings. From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QL5tV2016089 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QL5rJT006105 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QKwmc06970; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:58:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:58:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Wed Jun 26 14:58:48 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c21d53$7230b140$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D1A2871.7407D73B@wf.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/788 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: C[,!!U,9!!P^_!!%lc!! >>I am sure that all of the CC's you know are perfect little angels. Darn my luck in my state they are a bit more human. In fact some are down right contrary. That doesn't make them bad CC's. I don't see a need to make subscription to a mailing list, by it's self cause for removal of a CC. Good SC's will find ways to get the necessary info to them. Even if they don't appreciate it. Richard... I think he's talking about you Morgan. Cheryl From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QLjsV2019294 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QLjrJT011121 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QLj3H11893; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:45:03 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:45:03 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dontharp@onemain.com Wed Jun 26 15:45:02 2002 X-Sender: dt1012793@pop.onemain.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:44:44 -0500 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Don Tharp Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <3D1A2871.7407D73B@wf.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020625061818.00a85a10@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/789 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: ~G7"!MVI"!#aB"!9Wj"! At 03:47 PM 6/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Don I am sure that all of the CC's you know are perfect little angels. Darn >my luck in my state they are a bit more human. In fact some are down right >contrary. That doesn't make them bad CC's. I don't see a need to make >subscription to a mailing list, by it's self cause for removal of a CC. >Good SC's will find ways to get the necessary info to them. Even if they >don't appreciate it. Richard... Richard, thanks for the reality check, I must be human. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I wasn't speaking of removing a CC from the project. I was speaking of an SC removing a CC from a state email list. Removed completely, that is. No sending, no receiving. What I am saying is that if a CC is so disruptive on a state mail list that the SC would want to prevent their input to the list then they may be justified in doing so, but they are not justified in keeping that CC from receiving all mailings from the state mail list as long as that CC is in good standing with the project. Just wanted to let the SCs know that they must keep *all* CCs informed. Hope that is a better explanation, sorry for the misunderstanding. Don > >Don Tharp wrote: >> >> >> Which brings up a concern. I have been informed of SCs deleting CCs from >> their state mail list. We probably need more teeth in this requirement. At >> the minimum every CC should be able to receive the list mail. >> I can >> understand that an SC would want to be able to restrict input to the list >> because of the actions of some CC, but no SC should be allowed to prevent >> their CCs from receiving the list mailings. >> >> Don >> >> At 01:32 PM 6/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> >At 06:19 AM 6/25/02, you wrote: >> >>At 11:36 AM 6/23/02 -0400, Holly Timm wrote: >> >> >> >>>Small point: a couple of states do not have mail lists because they are >> >>>tiny, District of Columbia and Delaware I believe, not sure about Rhode >> >>>Island or Hawaii. When it is only 2-4 people they don't feel there is >> >>>need for an actual mail list. Perhaps some sort of exception "for size" >> >>>may be advisable? >> >> >> >> From the bylaws: "Section 4. State Coordinators shall remain subscribed >> >> to the State Coordinators mailing list and maintain a current mailing >> >> list of all local-level coordinators." >> >> >> >>So we don't have the option of making an exception for size, until the >> >>bylaws are changed. The District of Columbia and any other territories or >> >>possessions of the US would not fall under this requirement, since they >> >>are not states. >> >> >> >>-Teresa >> > >> >Sorry, this is the same point of my last email - " . . . maintain a current >> >mailing list of all local-level coordinators." It doesn't say where or how, >> >so it's fine, even for DC or Delaware, etc. >> >If the SC has an address book entry in their email program to go to the one >> >or two other people in their small state, then that's their mailing list so >> >they met the requirement. >> > >> >Morgan >> > > >-- > > > Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 > From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:27:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QMChV2021808 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QMCfJT014631 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QMBaK05064; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:11:36 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:11:36 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 26 16:11:36 2002 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:20:14 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! In-reply-to: <3D19C565.28F76262@sampubco.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626181907.00aa60b0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626060952.00a99de0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_ZBKNB.A.3OB.YwjG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/790 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: jk'#!;N)"!gU7"!FO+"! At 07:45 AM 6/26/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >Not fascinating. What I and driving the point is that > >HOW IN HELL do you try to print out a specific portion without >printing out the rest - resulting in 28-30 pages of wasted paper?? [snip] David, As chair, I have determined that this issue is best handled by the Publicity/Promotions committee and it has been referred there by Holly Timm. If you have suggestions to make regarding this issue, please direct them there. Thanks! -Teresa From ???@??? Wed Jun 26 18:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QMJaV2022364 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5QMJQJT015436 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5QMHGZ11389; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:17:16 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:17:16 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Wed Jun 26 16:17:16 2002 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:26:19 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020626132840.0302fec0@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626182510.00a9a4a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2Zdqe.A.txC.s1jG9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/791 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: im%"!ZiO!!f6B"!RcY!! At 01:30 PM 6/26/02 -0400, Morgan Edward Johnson wrote: >Instead of making it confusing with exceptions, maybe we should just leave >it "maintain a mailing list." If there are only 2 or 3 people a SC needs >to contact, then that is their mailing list, and they'll know there's no >need to keep a 'formal' mailing list like xxx-L@rootsweb.com. I agree with this. If the interpretation for four years has been that "mailing list" can include a handful of email addresses, then I see no need to change it. If we do, we immediately get into the morass of trying to objectively decide how small is small enough for the exception. -Teresa From ???@??? Thu Jun 27 06:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5R4urV2018651 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5R4upJT028611 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5R4u0r31959; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:56:00 -0600 Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:56:00 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dcaallen@pacifier.com Wed Jun 26 22:56:00 2002 Message-ID: <200206262152140810.031DA864@smtp.pacifier.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626182510.00a9a4a0@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623113312.0267ce10@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626182510.00a9a4a0@radix.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:52:14 -0700 From: "DC & Alice Allen" Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id g5R4u0x31935 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/793 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: nVX!!7H0!!N^8!!K)T!! This works for me as well. No need to complicate things. Alice A *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/26/02 at 6:26 PM merope@Radix.Net wrote: >At 01:30 PM 6/26/02 -0400, Morgan Edward Johnson wrote: > > > >>Instead of making it confusing with exceptions, maybe we should just >leave >>it "maintain a mailing list." If there are only 2 or 3 people a SC needs >>to contact, then that is their mailing list, and they'll know there's no >>need to keep a 'formal' mailing list like xxx-L@rootsweb.com. > >I agree with this. If the interpretation for four years has been that >"mailing list" can include a handful of email addresses, then I see no >need >to change it. If we do, we immediately get into the morass of trying to >objectively decide how small is small enough for the exception. > >-Teresa From ???@??? Thu Jun 27 18:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REETV2024661 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REESJT023542 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5REDR518960; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:13:27 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:13:27 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Thu Jun 27 08:13:26 2002 Message-ID: <3D1B1CDC.1B2C7393@sampubco.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:10:36 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626060952.00a99de0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626181907.00aa60b0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/794 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: pD="!=Ff!!%8o!!+N\!! BULL! This is a matter for the Guidelines - to recommend EXTREMELY STRONGLY that such files be DIVIDED INTO INDIVIDUAL FILES!!!!!!@!@! At the library I had to pay for 10 WASTED PAPER when I wanted only ONE page containing one record I wanted. DAvid merope wrote: > > At 07:45 AM 6/26/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > >Not fascinating. What I and driving the point is that > > > >HOW IN HELL do you try to print out a specific portion without > >printing out the rest - resulting in 28-30 pages of wasted paper?? > > [snip] > > David, > > As chair, I have determined that this issue is best handled by the > Publicity/Promotions committee and it has been referred there by Holly > Timm. If you have suggestions to make regarding this issue, please direct > them there. > > Thanks! > > -Teresa From ???@??? Thu Jun 27 18:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REMdV2025452 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REMbJT024578 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5RELmM29858; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:21:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:21:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: morgan@usroots.com Thu Jun 27 08:21:47 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020627101528.0388e350@mail.usroots.com> X-Sender: morgan@mail.usroots.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:16:09 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Morgan Edward Johnson Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <001e01c21d53$7230b140$337a010a@Dell> References: <3D1A2871.7407D73B@wf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/795 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: [_h!!4"8"!e+E!!(2P"! At 04:52 PM 6/26/02, you wrote: > >>I am sure that all of the CC's you know are perfect little angels. >Darn my luck in my state they are a bit more human. In fact some are >down right contrary. That doesn't make them bad CC's. I don't see a need >to make subscription to a mailing list, by it's self cause for removal >of a CC. Good SC's will find ways to get the necessary info to them. >Even if they don't appreciate it. Richard... > >I think he's talking about you Morgan. > >Cheryl Yes, yes, I cause so much controversy . Morgan From ???@??? Thu Jun 27 18:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REcVV2026955 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5REcTJT026641 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5REbeT16567; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:37:41 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:37:41 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Thu Jun 27 08:37:39 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020627103733.00a35170@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:39:39 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! In-Reply-To: <3D1B1CDC.1B2C7393@sampubco.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020626060952.00a99de0@radix.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020626181907.00aa60b0@radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/796 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: l9_!!g(##!ETd"!e6e!! David, please email me privately on exactly what it is you want the CC's to be recommended they do... what the alternatives are. This committee has decided not to include it as part of the Guidelines and I agree with them, it is much more suitable in the helps, recommendations, and suggestions for site construction. At 08:10 AM 6/27/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: >BULL! > >This is a matter for the Guidelines - to recommend EXTREMELY STRONGLY >that such files be DIVIDED INTO INDIVIDUAL FILES!!!!!!@!@! > > >At the library I had to pay for 10 WASTED PAPER when I wanted only >ONE page containing one record I wanted. > >DAvid > >merope wrote: > > > > At 07:45 AM 6/26/02 -0600, W. David Samuelsen wrote: > > >Not fascinating. What I and driving the point is that > > > > > >HOW IN HELL do you try to print out a specific portion without > > >printing out the rest - resulting in 28-30 pages of wasted paper?? > > > > [snip] > > > > David, > > > > As chair, I have determined that this issue is best handled by the > > Publicity/Promotions committee and it has been referred there by Holly > > Timm. If you have suggestions to make regarding this issue, please direct > > them there. > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Teresa From ???@??? Thu Jun 27 18:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5RGBhV2005646 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5RGBfJT012315 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5RGArm09419; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:10:53 -0600 Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:10:53 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Thu Jun 27 10:10:53 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] you solve this! Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:53:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c21df2$b8163730$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3D1B1CDC.1B2C7393@sampubco.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/797 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: N^3"!4;["!`HC!!8(Q!! It seems to me that there is no need to shout or swear. It seems to me that this issue has been discussed and agreed upon by the majority -- let's move on. Cheryl From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 07:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5T3wFV2012425 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5T3wEJT019584 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5SE1ZZ04795; Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:01:35 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:01:35 -0600 X-Original-Sender: dsam@sampubco.com Fri Jun 28 08:01:29 2002 Message-ID: <3D1C1230.862416D1@sampubco.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:37:20 -0600 From: "W. David Samuelsen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD479 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists References: <001d01c21d53$3c195760$337a010a@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/798 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: C2a"!b"X!! > Are there read only lists -- is that possible on Rootsweb? An SC could > make the required list read only, no posting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Tharp [mailto:dontharp@onemain.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:12 PM > To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists > > Perhaps we need to include private email as an alternative, but with > wording that makes it mandatory that any USGW P business mailed to any > CC in the state must be mailed to all. Other wise some SC that gets mad > at one of their CCs will just leave them off private email list or even > contend they didn't think all CCs would be interested. Might even > program their server to prevent the CC from communicating with the SC. > > Which brings up a concern. I have been informed of SCs deleting CCs from > their state mail list. We probably need more teeth in this requirement. > At the minimum every CC should be able to receive the list mail. I can > understand that an SC would want to be able to restrict input to the > list because of the actions of some CC, but no SC should be allowed to > prevent their CCs from receiving the list mailings. From ???@??? Sat Jun 29 15:34:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5TEYYV2014821 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5TEYXJT012065 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5TEXar30223; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:33:36 -0600 Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:33:36 -0600 X-Original-Sender: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Sat Jun 29 08:33:32 2002 From: INJohnsonCo@aol.com Message-ID: <96.289c913a.2a4f1f36@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:33:26 EDT Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/799 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: `<_"!Yd6!!>!6"!X)j!! In a message dated 6/26/02 3:53:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, LoganCty@mindspring.com writes: > An SC could > make the required list read only, no posting > > Maybe the minimum requirement is at least a read only mailing list and > anything more interactive be up to the SC. But specify that all LC's are > to receive Project information. I don't think the smaler states are a > problem since they are already functioning under this guideline with no > problems. We haven't really changed the requirement. Each state is required to maintain at a minimum a read only mail list to > disseminate project related information to all local coordinators. Each > local coordinators must be subscribed to the mail list. As list owner for > the state mail list, the state coordinator must forward items of interest > to all local coordinators and periodically check to make sure all local > coordinators are subbed to the state mail list. Cheryl Zufall Parker -|--- Johnson County, Indiana From ???@??? Sun Jun 23 13:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NDA4V2005917 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5NDA2JT000899 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5ND9HT15015; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:09:17 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:09:17 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 23 07:09:17 2002 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:18:07 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Resent-Message-ID: <9lLqZB.A.dqD.9hcF9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/768 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: Sl!"!C!##!NpG"!->S!! Here are the top two items in the list of current SC guidelines: "State Mailing List: Each state is required to maintain a mail list to which all county coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters related to the project will be disseminated. As list owner for the state mail list, the state coordinator will forward items of interest to county coordinators. State coordinators should periodically check to make sure all county coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." and "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join the State Coordinators mail list. Send an email to the National Coordinator at bwills@ionia-mi.net to be added to the mail list." Obviously the email address in the second one needs to be changed; it is very out of date. Also, the link to the NC still goes to Tim Stowell, so it should be changed as well. I would suggest the following wording for this one: "State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join the State Coordinators mail list, SC-COORD-L. Send an email to the National Coordinator to be added to the mail list." For the top one, I would suggest something like the following wording: "State Mailing List: Each State Coordinator is required to maintain a mail list to which all Local Coordinators are subscribed. This is where all matters related to the project will be disseminated and State Coordinators should forward all items of interest to county coordinators." I'm not sure how specific to be with this. There have been some concerns in the past with SCs who don't forward important information to their LCs, including info on elections, so I think at the very least, SCs should be _strongly encouraged_ if not outright required to forward this sort of thing to their LCs. Comments? -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 21:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g610hxV2007784 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g610hwJT005356 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-eGroups-Return: notify-return-merope=radix.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2002 00:43:57 -0000 X-Sender: john.ballard@anu.edu.au X-Apparently-To: dailyboardshow-owner@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93109 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 00:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jul 2002 00:43:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO anu.edu.au) (150.203.2.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 00:43:57 -0000 Received: from anumail.anu.edu.au (anumail.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.90]) by anu.edu.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g610hqTk022438 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:43:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from [130.56.16.97] (gradmac02.anu.edu.au [130.56.16.97]) by anumail.anu.edu.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g610hpgH017019 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:43:52 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: a101170@anugpo.anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630100611.009fe940@radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630100611.009fe940@radix.net> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:37:32 +1000 To: dailyboardshow-owner@yahoogroups.com From: John Ballard Subject: Re: [DBS] Fwd: [Board-Exec] Unsubbing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-eGroups-Moderators: dailyboardshow X-UIDL: L_4"!JZ@!! Sitting at a pristine distance from all this, but with sympathies fully engaged, my advice would be to adopt a stance of dignified regret at the posturing of others, rather than joining in the slanging. It would befit your formal position. Rather than simply asserting Holly's ignoring of the rules, provide a couple of obvious cases and then mourn the failure to maintain the rules, which you attempt to follow assiduously. > >>I am also unsubscribing Teresa Lindquist as she has chosen not to >>>participate in this list but to subvert it by emailing all the AB members >>>in order to avoid the appearance of participating on the exec list >>>herself and yet in actuality discussing issues privately while >>>criticizing and flagrantly disrespecting the confidentiality of >>>discussions of sensitive matters on the exec list. > >I have not, per your own statement, violated the confidentiality of the >secret list. I have NEVER denied that I participate in the secret list by >reading it, but that I do not respond to it. It is clear to anyone who >reads the DBS that I do participate in the list, I just do not post >responses there. There is no rule disallowing sending personal mail to my >colleagues; you have recognized this and stressed repeatedly that if the >rest of the Board does not like it they can make and pass a motion and you >would abide by their vote. You yourself have stated that you do not find >the weekly summary of activity to be in violation of the list rules, and >you have allowed it to continue for 8 months. Now suddenly I am >"flagrantly disrespecting" your rules? Rules you yourself have ignored for >the most part over the last few months and which you are in violation of >with this action? > >Apparently following the rules is pointless. So be it. > >-Teresa >merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jul 07 07:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g67Bi6V2018052 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g67Bi5JT012456 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g67BgNfk026038; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:42:23 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:42:23 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jul 7 05:42:21 2002 Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 07:47:29 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020707074202.00a148d0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Resignation Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/817 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: nLp"!b?;!!kXk!!(QO"! Good morning all, I am very sorry to have to say this, but I will need to resign my membership in this committee. I just don't have enough time right now to give it the attention it deserves. I am appointing Don Tharp to serve as interim Chair until Holly can find a replacement Board member to take my place. I do want to thank each of you for the work done so far and encourage you to continue with the task. We have made an excellent start and I have no doubt that the final product will benefit USGenWeb and its volunteers. It has been a pleasure to work with you. -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative-at-Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jul 07 08:02:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g67Bp1V2018396 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5-new.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g67Bp0JT012995 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g67BotQF007848; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:50:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 05:50:55 -0600 Message-Id: <200207071150.g67BotQF007848@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: merope@Radix.Net Subject: Re: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020707075650.00a25be0@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020707075650.00a25be0@radix.net> X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com Precedence: junk X-UIDL: 61&"!!S%!!fGf"!:4S"! 32760 merope@radix.net merope@Radix.Net You have been removed from the list. 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Sun Jun 30 10:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UBiBV2024783 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UBi9JT027017 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UBhLm00627; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:43:21 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:43:21 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 30 05:43:19 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:52:37 -0400 From: merope Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020623091212.00a6d0a0@radix.net> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630075039.00a04090@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: <8MOMbD.A.aJ.Y7uH9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/800 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: (ej!!0N]"!~1J"!WBP"! At 09:18 AM 6/23/02 -0400, merope wrote: >"State Coordinators Mail List: All state coordinators are required to join >the State Coordinators mail list, STATE-COORD-L. Send an email to the >National Coordinator to be added to the mail list." This is the currently proposed wording for this section. Is it OK with everyone? I actually think the last sentence is unnecessary, but it doesn't hurt to leave it in. -Teresa merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 10:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UBkQV2024965 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UBkOJT027257 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UBjbY02969; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:45:37 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 05:45:37 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 30 05:45:36 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:54:54 -0400 From: merope X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: Guidelines , BOARD-L@rootsweb.com, USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com, Daily Board Show Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630075306.00a08390@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending 6/29/2002 Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/801 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: 4h-!!j:I!!6/8"!M6)!! Permission is granted to forward where appropriate. GUIDELINES COMMITTEE WEEKLY REPORT, for the week ending June 29 2002 === On June 23 the weekly report was submitted to the Project. One comment was received regarding page design issues. - State Coordinator Guidelines: On June 23, the Committee begins to discuss proposed State Coordinator guidelines. The Committee is currently discussing the state mailing lists requirements and the requirement that SCs belong to State-Coord-L. State mailing lists: Some concern was expressed over requiring very small states, territories, and/or districts with a very small number of counties (or no counties) to maintain a mailing list. Discussion thus far has supported a reading of the requirement to "maintain a current mailing list of all local-level coordinators" to include a less formal email system. Concern has also been expressed over SCs who remove Local Coordinators from the state mailing lists, SCs who do not forward important project-related business to the state mailing lists. These items are still under discussion. State-Coord-L: There is also a current requirement that SCs subscribe to State-Coord-L. This requirement is currently under discussion. === The current version of the working document is posted at: http://www.radix.net/~merope/lcguide.txt Please address comments to Teresa Lindquist -Teresa Lindquist Chair, Guidelines Committee Representative At Large, USGenWeb Project merope@radix.net From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 10:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UCJtV2026730 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UCJsJT029699 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 08:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UCJ3R16693; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:19:03 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 06:19:03 -0600 X-Original-Sender: merope@radix.net Sun Jun 30 06:18:56 2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:50:27 -0400 From: merope In-reply-to: <96.289c913a.2a4f1f36@aol.com> X-Sender: merope@radix.net Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630074717.009f7ab0@radix.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/802 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: L/N!!@KZ"!`5O!!9Wm"! At 10:33 AM 6/29/02 -0400, INJohnsonCo@aol.com wrote: >Each state is required to maintain at a minimum a read only mail list to > > disseminate project related information to all local coordinators. Each > > local coordinators must be subscribed to the mail list. As list owner for > > the state mail list, the state coordinator must forward items of interest > > to all local coordinators and periodically check to make sure all local > > coordinators are subbed to the state mail list. Cheryl, This is very good; it appears to cover most of the bases of our discussion thus far. Here is a slightly spruced up version: "Each State Coordinator is required to maintain at a minimum a read-only mailing list to disseminate project related information to all Local Coordinators. Each Local Coordinator must be subscribed to the mail list. As list owner for the state mail list, the State Coordinator must forward items of interest to all local coordinators and periodically check to make sure all local coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." Can the rest of you let me know what you think of this wording? -Teresa From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 10:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UDpHV2001410 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UDpGJT007079 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UDoOK15174; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:50:24 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:50:24 -0600 X-Original-Sender: usgenweb@cox.net Sun Jun 30 07:50:24 2002 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630094851.0279d8b0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: usgenweb@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:52:34 -0400 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630074717.009f7ab0@radix.net> References: <96.289c913a.2a4f1f36@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/803 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: d2i"!G&!#!E9p"!o`@"! At 07:50 AM 6/30/02 -0400, merope wrote: >"Each State Coordinator is required to maintain at a minimum a read-only >mailing list to disseminate project related information to all Local >Coordinators. Each Local Coordinator must be subscribed to the mail >list. As list owner for the state mail list, the State Coordinator must >forward items of interest to all local coordinators and periodically check >to make sure all local coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." > >Can the rest of you let me know what you think of this wording? This can be read to say that a state must have a read-only list although many states have only one non-read-only list. I also think that if a state has the required list as read-only, it should have a second *chat* list where cc's can speak freely. By the above, an SC could have the state required list as read only and provide no means whatsoever for the CC's to speak. I do not think that is the intent of this group. From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UGfhV2011123 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UGffJT021772 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UGeoB26693; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:50 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:40:50 -0600 X-Original-Sender: richpump@wf.net Sun Jun 30 10:40:48 2002 Message-ID: <3D1F3443.866B9FBF@wf.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:39:31 -0500 From: ILGenWeb State Coordinator X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630074717.009f7ab0@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2-hiL.A.jgG.RSzH9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/804 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: *mX"!EpH!!2U>!!\A1!! Teresa I have a problem in a couple of areas. As worded if it had been in effect a while back it would have cost me Two CC's. These CC's had been ban from the server we use for mailing list. They were not even allowed to receive e-mail from the list. Where it says "State Coordinator must forward items of interest" I would prefer something more along the line of, "State Coordinator should endeavor to insure that State membership are kept informed as to USGenWeb information and help byway of the State mailing list. One of the main reasons I don't like "State Coordinator must". Is because there are times when I am out of pocket, and one of our two ASC post this information for me. With "State Coordinator must" I would be required to repost all info a second or third time. Richard... merope wrote: > > "Each State Coordinator is required to maintain at a minimum a read-only > mailing list to disseminate project related information to all Local > Coordinators. Each Local Coordinator must be subscribed to the mail > list. As list owner for the state mail list, the State Coordinator must > forward items of interest > to all local coordinators and periodically check to make sure all local > coordinators are subbed to the state mail list." > > Can the rest of you let me know what you think of this wording? > > -Teresa -- Richard M. Howland ILGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 150433539 From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UHdLV2014321 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UHdKJT026738 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UHcSx16281; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:38:28 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:38:28 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sun Jun 30 11:38:27 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c2205c$bb2af570$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <3D1F3443.866B9FBF@wf.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/805 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: RX\"!]8@"!)?Z!!iSc"! Aren't SCs allowed to follow the spirit if not the letter of the rule? As long as it gets done -- that's the issue. Obviously a rule cannot be written that covers every event. And certainly the SC cannot be responsible for Rootsweb's hissy fit. Cheryl From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UHdaV2014325 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.81]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UHdZJT026748 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g5UHchV16356; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:38:43 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 11:38:43 -0600 X-Original-Sender: LoganCty@mindspring.com Sun Jun 30 11:38:43 2002 From: "Cheryl Rothwell" Old-To: Subject: RE: [USGW-Guidelines] TOPIC: SC mailing lists Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2205c$c569a3b0$337a010a@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630075039.00a04090@radix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/806 X-Loop: USGW-GUIDELINES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: USGW-GUIDELINES-L-request@rootsweb.com X-UIDL: lNX!!+hX!!'hl!!:g@"! Why do they have to send an email to the National Coordinator to be added? Shouldn't the NC do that automatically when there is a change? I agree on the State list. In fact I think I would favor a read only list for the announcements. But you need a chat list too. The only reason I think it is necessary for the SC to set up the chat list is so it is not archived for public view. Otherwise upset CCs could set up their own and the world could read it. Cheryl From ???@??? Sun Jun 30 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UJI2V2019652 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fl-mta04.durocom.com (fl-mta04.durocom.com [216.53.195.241]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UJI1JT005791 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diane ([216.10.173.116]) by fl-mta04.durocom.com with SMTP id <20020630191759.CGVZ3256.fl-mta04@diane> for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:17:59 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c2206a$da2930f0$74ad0ad8@diane> From: "Beaufort" To: "merope" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020630075306.00a08390@radix.net> Subject: Re: [DBS] Guidelines Committee report for the week ending 6/29/2002 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:17:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-UIDL: VO'#!VYF!!'Qo"!';W"! I wonder if you all could cover what the purpose of the state mail list is. I believe in the beginning it was so that the state members could communicate. However since some xxgenweb list are in read only mode...I believe that original goal has been side stepped. Providing a discuss list does not remedy the situation since not all are subbed to it & they won't tell us who is. This type of lack of communication it what results in someone like Derick getting elected. Private mailings do not work - especially when a state has a leadership writing people privately and slandering that person to the NEW CCs thus leaving that person incapable of equality in communication affairs. remember, Derick did this to me in a private letter to Charlie when he was new. state list should be for open moderated communication. Anything else results in serious censorship & corruption. diane From ???@??? 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