Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:42:32 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812041640.IAA16164@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Somebody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, that is who he is. All GC board managers were told about him and advised to remove his postings from their boards. He "spammed" GC boards all over the US with this post: >DATE: Sun Nov 29 11:30:06 1998 >NAME: Steve Bailey >EMAIL: none >NOTE: 300 Moores Lake Road Wadesboro,NC 28170 >SURNAMES: >QRYTEXT: I am currently available for genealogical research in Anson >County,NC. I do not have email so for more details send an SASE to the above >mentioned address or call (704)694-3137 but I will not return long distance >phone calls unless permitted to call collect. Thanks!! >URL: Would you like for me to pass this "complaint" about GC's handling of his posting on to the GC team?? Betsy At 08:28 AM 12/4/98 -0800, Bridgett Smith wrote: >Could it be the situation that has just arisen with the GenConnect >Boards? Someone mentioned Anson County which gave me the >clue. I don't think I have a copy of that message right now, but from >memory (what memory) -- the GC Boards were spammed with >someone who does research for $$$, but no email address. I think >what happened was they traced who was posting it and closed down >their GC boards because of it. It was the Anson County NCGenWeb >CC that did the posting. > >Can't find the darn message now to prove it tho. :( > >Bridgett > >On 4 Dec 98, at 5:22, Bob Bamford wrote: > >> Somebody is trying to make me crazy(er); >> >> I recieved this: >> >> Return-Path: >> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:52:34 -0600 >> From: George Thomas >> Reply-To: geothos@bellsouth.net >> To: essxbook@citrus.infi.net >> Subject: Anson County >> >> Your handling of Steve Bailey is tasteless.. You need to state at the >> local and national level that absolutely no for hire will be tolerated. >> You have done an equal wrong in your handling of this matter. >> >> I replied, respectfully, that I didn't know what he was talking about. Am >> i in the minority? :>) >> >> Bob >> >> > > >Bridgett Smith >SC Rep SE/Mid-Atlantic Region > >bascs@wizard.com > >*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > >TNGenWeb State Coordinator >http://www.tngenweb.org/ > ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:15:48 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812042013.MAA28463@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: Fwd: Re: merope Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is George's reply to me when I complained to him about merope posting my private message. He has thoughts about the "other" list, so I asked about sharing them with you and got his permission. We do need to keep the ALL list, but perhaps rename it USGW-POLITICS so that anyone getting on it know what they are getting into. The new list is needed soon. I believe RootsLady and/or Megan are willing to moderate it. Betsy >X-Warning: UCONNVM.UConn.Edu: Could not confirm that host [137.99.32.121] is gwaller.lib.uconn.edu >Comments: Authenticated sender is >From: "George Waller" >Organization: Univ. of Connecticut Libraries >To: Betsy Mills >Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:58:59 -0500 >Subject: Re: merope >Priority: normal >X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > >Betsy, >When she reposted it did you identify you as the writer? >In any case, she should have respected your request. >If she mentioned your name, I will admonish her. > >I don't see her destroying anything... she is demoralizing, >but has discredited herself except with a *very* small >number of subscribers to -ALL (which is in itself a very >small percentage ... less than 10% of project members). > >The strength of this project lies with the TC CC and SC... and >in some cases the state level is the glue that binds. One reason >I feel that it is ok for merope to mouth off on -ALL is to keep this >kind of dispiriting talk *away* from the state level. So far, this >seems to have worked. Those who need a forum to complain >can do so on -ALL without hurting the project as much as if they did so >on the state lists or by stirring up CCs at the state level. > >I have seen instances where some have tried to stir it up at the >state level, and for the most part no one cares and ignore them > >Not a good answer, I guess, but the best I have. I wish the >"good" list had been started up... don't know what happened to >that one. > >George > >On 4 Dec 98 at 12:49, Betsy Mills wrote: > >> George, >> >> I respectfully request that you do something about merope. I responded to a >> message that she posted to me privately, I specifically denied her my >> permission to repost any of my message to the ALL list, and she did it >> anyway. >> >> She has gotten completely out of hand and is destroying what we have all >> worked so hard to create. >> >> Thank you, >> Betsy Mills >> > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:41:31 -0800 From: "Kay Mason" To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812041544.HAA06584@mail.networkone.net> Subject: Elections committee Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT RE: makeup of Elections committee.. Some of the members are people who served on the last election. Some are new.. of the new members, 4 are volunteers (one of whom is currently in intensive care at Duke Medical Center due to a car accident)-these four people are the only people who contacted me and volunteered.. and I asked 4 people whose posts to various lists impressed me..I did not know any of these 4 people before. I asked several other people who declined (probably wisely). I have asked the regional subcommitte chairs to try to find a volunteer from each of their states to act as liason with the SC of that state... The members of the committee are: Dale "Doc" Schneider-software Randy Winch-software Bob Bamford... acting NC, ex-officio Trey Holt- Board member Megan Zurawicz- Advisor Sue Soden - Advisor Webpages- Celia Snyder NE/NC voters Bob Bremer -chair Jeri Shangle NW/Plains Bob Oliver - chair SW/SC Ken Short - chair Harold Kilmer NM SE/MA Ellen Pack chair Beck Earles - KY Nominations Ginger Hayes chair Shari Handley Ron Eason Roger Swafford Rita Maggard Also, there will be a committee to combine all the lists.. Carol Walker Les Shockey The missing member is Phil Sanders. Kay Mason USGenWeb Census Project http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ http://www.usgenweb.com/census http://www.usgenweb.net/census/ ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:05:05 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204120505.007c6c40@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: Somebody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, please. Bob At 10:42 AM 12/4/98 -0600, Betsy Mills wrote: >Yes, that is who he is. All GC board managers were told about him and >advised to remove his postings from their boards. He "spammed" GC boards >all over the US with this post: > >>DATE: Sun Nov 29 11:30:06 1998 >>NAME: Steve Bailey >>EMAIL: none >>NOTE: 300 Moores Lake Road Wadesboro,NC 28170 >>SURNAMES: >>QRYTEXT: I am currently available for genealogical research in Anson >>County,NC. I do not have email so for more details send an SASE to the above >>mentioned address or call (704)694-3137 but I will not return long distance >>phone calls unless permitted to call collect. Thanks!! >>URL: > >Would you like for me to pass this "complaint" about GC's handling of his >posting on to the GC team?? > Yes, please. ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:42:42 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <36681F0D.4A4F2799@tri.net> Subject: Me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Teresa asked that I send her email that her Reps got on to the Board I am doing this to shut her up. I am tired of being grilled by her and so I will send her on to someone else. Next? merope To: Kathy Welch Heidel ============================== Kathy, If you'd like, you can forward my message to the Board list. I only sent it to you, Trey and Betsey, so the others may not have seen it. -Teresa -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ~ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus~ Temporary USGW CC Rep for the SC/SW Region of the USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:16:35 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204131635.007e5b70@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Communication from a potential CC etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've read an meditated on the various responses to the above posting. They ranged from frustration as to what to do to physical mayhem :>) The consensus is that we should disassociate ourselves from the -ALL list. In doing so we need to have a plan as to where we are going. Pardon if I ramble but here are my thoughts: 1. We can cut the link (mention to the -ALL list from all national USGW pages. 2. Do we need to replace it with the "help" list I suggested? Or would our volunteers be better served working with their state organizations, thereby getting localized (and geographically more knowledgeable) help. I think so. The national organization should not be playing mother hen to CCs. The SC should. We are in fact usurping the SCs authority. So... I say no replacement. 3. I have asked the sender ofg the message that percipitated this discussion to use it (without attribution), possibly to send to the -ALL list or possibly to post on the board list. Until e have an ok, we won't persue how to use it. 4. I had suggested, and we had discussed, sporadically, a Daily Board Report to counter the misinterpretation and innuendo contained in the daily Board Show. Someone had suggested a mailing list that CCs could (optionally) belong to but ONLY get mail, not send it. They would get a Daily report from the board following these lines: MOTIONS Motion, as made and seconded along with voting period. Results of votes TOPICS UNDER DISCUSSION Items "on the floor" with the board for example: Discussing improved communication Discussing complaint about a certain page carrying advertising (no specifics) etc. GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS Call for volunteers to help with election at state level. Date for closing of nominations etc. I think I outlined all this before. We absolutely need to develop a line of communication directly with the CCs (at their option) that does not place the communication burden on the SCs. In addition to the ML I would suggest that the last 10, 15 or 30 days reports, be on a web page on the national site for anyone to visit. This would replace Celia's posting of votes. The intent here, very simply is to develop a line of communication that makes the -ALL list redundant. As someone suggested, let it die on the vine. Chew on that. I'm taking the rest of the day off. Bob ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 12:55:14 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812041853.KAA24015@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: Me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay, I replied to her privately as one of her other reps only because I didn't want to hear later that I ignored her and you see where that got me. I will send any further communication from her to the trash. I am divorcing her as a constituent. PS: Can we get this board set to reply to list????? Thanks! Betsy At 01:20 PM 12/4/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >At 11:42 AM 12/4/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >>Teresa asked that I send her email that her Reps got on to the Board I am >doing this to shut her up. >>I am tired of being grilled by her and so I will send her on to someone >else. Next? >> >Like we haven't seen it :>) :>) :>). > >Glad she's in your region. > >Bob > ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:15:44 -0600 From: Kathy Welch Heidel To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <366842ED.ECAB516D@tri.net> Subject: Re: Me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Betsy, I guess that leaves it up to Trey, two down and one to go ;o} Kathy -- Kathy Welch Heidel ~ mailto:kheidel@tri.net ~ ~ICQ# 10547674 ~ AOL I/M heidelhaus~ Temporary USGW CC Rep for the SC/SW Region of the USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 16:02:36 -0500 From: Bob Bamford To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981204160236.007b7410@citrus.infi.net> Subject: Re: Me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:15 PM 12/4/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >Hi Betsy, >I guess that leaves it up to Trey, two down and one to go ;o} > Am i given to understand that this is two divorces in one day and all the parties are females? I hope trey get's home soon, announces HIS divorce, and lends some measure of propriety to these proceedings. :>) More merope soon she'll have no one to talk to but Timmy and Eric with John West to mediate :>) Bob ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:45:44 -0600 From: Teresa Davis To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812042145.QAA09838@mail.msy.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:02 PM 12/4/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >At 02:15 PM 12/4/98 -0600, Kathy Welch Heidel wrote: >>Hi Betsy, >>I guess that leaves it up to Trey, two down and one to go ;o} >> >Am i given to understand that this is two divorces in one day and all the >parties are females? >I hope trey get's home soon, announces HIS divorce, and lends some measure >of propriety to these proceedings. :>) > >More merope soon she'll have no one to talk to but Timmy and Eric with John >West to mediate :>) LOL...Oh gosh, that's a shame! Terry ______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:37:31 -0600 From: Betsy Mills To: Board-Exec-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199812050335.TAA24773@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: Possible solution to the ALL list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know Bob told us to think about this, but being a RW staff member puts me in a different position sometimes. It seems that RootsLady and Rita Maggard have both asked for a new kinder list. Brian is anxious to grant someone, anyone's wish to help resolve the ALL list mess. I was asked as staff to provide "leadership" to Tim and Vicki about the solution to which list to create. (I think that translates that I am older and wiser! ) So, I am putting everyone on hold with this - Rita, RootsLady, Tim and Vicki - while I get the input from the board. I believe Megan would also be willing to work with Rita and RootsLady to help keep the list under control. So, I need some input and approval from the board to make this a list blessed by the board. The listowner(s) need to start writing their welcome message that will include the rules for participation. And I need to report progress on this to my boss! Otherwise, Rita will get a list and we will still have the old ALL list hanging over our heads. I recommend that we keep the old ALL list and rename it something like USGW-POLITICS-L so that people who join will know that is what will be discussed. Maybe they can use it to work on bylaws revisions since it looks like it is headed that way. We need to either allow people to sub to board-l without being able to post or we need the new list that is read-only that Bob mentioned for our own Daily Board Report. We will be able to get that one very quickly also. (Should I have numbered these, Bob? ) Suggestions?? Comments?? Betsy At 01:16 PM 12/4/98 -0500, Bob Bamford wrote: >I've read an meditated on the various responses to the above posting. They >ranged from frustration as to what to do to physical mayhem :>) > >The consensus is that we should disassociate ourselves from the -ALL list. >In doing so we need to have a plan as to where we are going. Pardon if I >ramble but here are my thoughts: > >1. We can cut the link (mention to the -ALL list from all national USGW pages. > >2. Do we need to replace it with the "help" list I suggested? Or would our >volunteers be better served working with their state organizations, thereby >getting localized (and geographically more knowledgeable) help. I think so. >The national organization should not be playing mother hen to CCs. The SC >should. We are in fact usurping the SCs authority. So... I say no replacement. > >3. I have asked the sender ofg the message that percipitated this >discussion to use it (without attribution), possibly to send to the -ALL >list or possibly to post on the board list. Until e have an ok, we won't >persue how to use it. > >4. I had suggested, and we had discussed, sporadically, a Daily Board >Report to counter the misinterpretation and innuendo contained in the daily >Board Show. Someone had suggested a mailing list that CCs could >(optionally) belong to but ONLY get mail, not send it. >They would get a Daily report from the board following these lines: > >MOTIONS >Motion, as made and seconded along with voting period. >Results of votes > >TOPICS UNDER DISCUSSION >Items "on the floor" with the board for example: >Discussing improved communication >Discussing complaint about a certain page carrying advertising (no specifics) >etc. > >GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENTS >Call for volunteers to help with election at state level. >Date for closing of nominations >etc. > >I think I outlined all this before. > >We absolutely need to develop a line of communication directly with the CCs >(at their option) that does not place the communication burden on the SCs. > >In addition to the ML I would suggest that the last 10, 15 or 30 days >reports, be on a web page on the national site for anyone to visit. This >would replace Celia's posting of votes. > >The intent here, very simply is to develop a line of communication that >makes the -ALL list redundant. As someone suggested, let it die on the vine. > >Chew on that. I'm taking the rest of the day off. > >Bob >