From MHet703234@aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:55:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14156 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07303 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id 6.6d.193b5e64 (3984); Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d.193b5e64.28b9408b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:23 EDT Subject: Re: the vacant board seat To: hollyft@bright.net, merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, bremerr@oclc.org, rkeason@tir.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6d.193b5e64.28b9408b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Status: RO X-Status: --part1_6d.193b5e64.28b9408b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly, et All. Please send any board related email, and assign any lists to this hotmail address: nw_plains_sc_rep@hotmail.com Thanks! Mary Ann Hetrick --part1_6d.193b5e64.28b9408b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holly, et All.

Please send any board related email, and assign any lists to this hotmail
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Thanks!
Mary Ann Hetrick --part1_6d.193b5e64.28b9408b_boundary-- From MHet703234@aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14319 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MHet703234@aol.com Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07840 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MHet703234@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id 6.27.1a805a13 (3984); Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.1a805a13.28b94134@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:58:12 EDT Subject: Re: the vacant board seat To: hollyft@bright.net, merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, bremerr@oclc.org, rkeason@tir.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_27.1a805a13.28b94134_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10532 Status: RO X-Status: --part1_27.1a805a13.28b94134_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2001 1:01:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hollyft@bright.net writes: > I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could > quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on > the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has > an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are > nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? > > Holly > I think this is something that the CC's in that region need to vote on. I would agree that they should have a chance to elect someone they wish to the spot. Mary Ann --part1_27.1a805a13.28b94134_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/25/2001 1:01:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hollyft@bright.net writes:


I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could
quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on
the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has
an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are
nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please?

Holly


I think this is something that the CC's in that region need to vote on. I
would agree that they should have a chance to elect someone they wish to the
spot.

Mary Ann --part1_27.1a805a13.28b94134_boundary-- From hollyft@bright.net Sat Aug 25 12:41:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08072 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26677 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by tiberius.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010825164147.SKPP29133.tiberius@pooh.bright.net>; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:41:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825123849.0352d650@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:54:08 -0500 To: merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, bremerr@oclc.org, MHet703234@aol.com, rkeason@tir.com, betsym@1starnet.com, TVick65536@aol.com, tstowell@chattanooga.net, pamreid@home.com, IsaiahHarrison@cs.com, ky.quest@gte.net From: Holly Timm Subject: administrative details Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: Dear incoming and remaining board members: I think I have everybody listed on here, please check the email address you receive this through and let me know if it is not the one you want to use for board business. Also, please let me know if you have alternative emails from which you might be posting to Board-L or Board-Exec so I can be sure to have them on the accept list when I take it over. Second, I would appreciate having alternate contact information for each of you (phone and/or snailmail) in case of email problems, etc. My phone number and address are at the end of this letter in case you need to contact me. I am looking for parliamentary procedure that has been adapted for online *meetings*. If anyone knows of some, please pass that on to us. It would I think be a good thing to streamline our procedures somewhat and not get bogged down in technicalities as we have sometimes in the past. Holly Timm NC-Elect 22255 Westwood Fairview Park OH 44126 440-333-8465 (home) From hollyft@bright.net Sat Aug 25 13:00:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09421 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29448 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by lateralus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010825170055.UNCO333.lateralus@pooh.bright.net>; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:00:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825125611.00c9ed80@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:13:17 -0500 To: merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, bremerr@oclc.org, MHet703234@aol.com, rkeason@tir.com From: Holly Timm Subject: the vacant board seat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A Okay, this is just to the incoming board members and is private (do NOT discuss it elsewhere) because at this point it is just an idea bit would like your feedback on the thought. For background just in case you haven't been paying attention Ken Short, SW CC Representative, resigned (although the board has yet to accept it officially, that is more a technical detail, not an issue). The present NC and some board members have discussed filling the seat and the issue has been public as well on the ALL list. I doubt they have sufficient votes to make this lame duck appointment and assuming that, it will fall in our laps to do so. Some say that Don Tharp should be appointed as second runner-up in the recent election for the other SW CC Rep position. Others say that Ed Hayden should be as he probably would have gotten the votes that went to Jana. My own opinion on this is that we can not *know* who would have been second as in the dual races, each CC had two votes, two choices to make and we can not not know where the second choice for those who voted for Jana would have gone (or for Roger for that matter). There are also others who may have run for other races who would be eligible to fill the position. I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? Holly From nate@gte.net Sat Aug 25 13:05:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09943 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (mail.sisna.com [216.126.204.104]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00063 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nate [4.60.200.210] by mail.sisna.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA55CDE80120; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:03:17 -0600 From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: "Holly Timm" , , , , , , , Subject: RE: the vacant board seat Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825125611.00c9ed80@mail.bright.net> Importance: Normal Status: RO X-Status: Holly and all, my preference is that the CC's in that region decide who they would like to serve as their representative. So I would like to see them hold a regional election to fill the position. Nate -----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm [mailto:hollyft@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:13 PM To: merope@radix.net; kheidel@tri.net; janab@slip.net; tngibson@att.net; nate@gte.net; bremerr@oclc.org; MHet703234@aol.com; rkeason@tir.com Subject: the vacant board seat Okay, this is just to the incoming board members and is private (do NOT discuss it elsewhere) because at this point it is just an idea bit would like your feedback on the thought. For background just in case you haven't been paying attention Ken Short, SW CC Representative, resigned (although the board has yet to accept it officially, that is more a technical detail, not an issue). The present NC and some board members have discussed filling the seat and the issue has been public as well on the ALL list. I doubt they have sufficient votes to make this lame duck appointment and assuming that, it will fall in our laps to do so. Some say that Don Tharp should be appointed as second runner-up in the recent election for the other SW CC Rep position. Others say that Ed Hayden should be as he probably would have gotten the votes that went to Jana. My own opinion on this is that we can not *know* who would have been second as in the dual races, each CC had two votes, two choices to make and we can not not know where the second choice for those who voted for Jana would have gone (or for Roger for that matter). There are also others who may have run for other races who would be eligible to fill the position. I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? Holly From kheidel@tri.net Sat Aug 25 13:12:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10521 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tri.net (qmail.tri.net [205.153.244.4]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01200 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23762 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2001 17:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a8a0) (205.153.244.144) by qmail.tri.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2001 17:12:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c12d89$1fff9ea0$90f499cd@n3a8a0> From: "Kathy Heidel" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Holly Timm" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825123849.0352d650@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: administrative details Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:12:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Status: RO X-Status: Kathy Heidel 706 W. Walnut Salina, KS 67401 785-827-2707 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly Timm" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: administrative details : Dear incoming and remaining board members: : : I think I have everybody listed on here, please check the email address you : receive this through and let me know if it is not the one you want to use : for board business. Also, please let me know if you have alternative emails : from which you might be posting to Board-L or Board-Exec so I can be sure : to have them on the accept list when I take it over. : : Second, I would appreciate having alternate contact information for each of : you (phone and/or snailmail) in case of email problems, etc. My phone : number and address are at the end of this letter in case you need to : contact me. : : I am looking for parliamentary procedure that has been adapted for online : *meetings*. If anyone knows of some, please pass that on to us. It would I : think be a good thing to streamline our procedures somewhat and not get : bogged down in technicalities as we have sometimes in the past. : : Holly Timm : NC-Elect : 22255 Westwood : Fairview Park OH 44126 : 440-333-8465 (home) : : From hollyft@bright.net Sat Aug 25 13:43:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13047 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05458 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.46]) by lateralus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010825174257.UOVF333.lateralus@pooh.bright.net>; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:42:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825133616.00bb6ac0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:55:17 -0500 To: merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, bremerr@oclc.org, MHet703234@aol.com, rkeason@tir.com, betsym@1starnet.com, TVick65536@aol.com, tstowell@chattanooga.net, pamreid@home.com, IsaiahHarrison@cs.com, ky.quest@gte.net From: Holly Timm Subject: pre-welcome Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A Well, meant to do this properly but we seem to have stuff coming down the pike at us already and not even in office yet, at least those of us who are new to the board/positions. Anyway, a warm pre-welcome to all of you, be sure you have your asbestos suits ready. With the sudden flurry over the .com situation, I've not got time to polish this up as properly as I intended so please forgive any *rough draft* appearance. I look forward to working with all of you this coming year and hope we can truly work together, agreeing to disagree where necessary and treating each other with respect. I would like your thoughts, opinions, reactions, whatever, to the items below which are some of the things needed (in my opinion). You may reply to all but this is not for discussion, many of these are issues that will need to be discussed at length,openly, I am only looking for your preliminary feelings. You may also reply on all or any of the above to me privately and I will respect that privacy. I think we need three committees: 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make some real changes 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in regional/state/county level publicity. Parliamentary Procedure - which I referred to briefly in my initial administrative note. we have too often gotten hung up in or stalled with technicalities trying to apply rules for face-to-face meetings to online ongoing operations. What are our priorities? What is appropriate for Exec list and what is not? Anything else you have on your mind Holly From nate@gte.net Sat Aug 25 17:01:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27662 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (mail.sisna.com [216.126.204.104]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28032 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nate [4.60.200.210] by mail.sisna.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1C722FB0354; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:59:51 -0600 From: "Nathan Zipfel" To: "Holly Timm" , , , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: pre-welcome Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 16:53:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825133616.00bb6ac0@mail.bright.net> Status: RO X-Status: Holly, you have them in the order that I would approach them with priority. re: Parliamentary Procedure - I would hate to see us get bogged down with this. Commonsense guidelines should be sufficient, it works well in another large project I'm involved with. Nate -----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm [mailto:hollyft@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:55 PM To: merope@radix.net; kheidel@tri.net; janab@slip.net; tngibson@att.net; nate@gte.net; bremerr@oclc.org; MHet703234@aol.com; rkeason@tir.com; betsym@1starnet.com; TVick65536@aol.com; tstowell@chattanooga.net; pamreid@home.com; IsaiahHarrison@cs.com; ky.quest@gte.net Subject: pre-welcome Well, meant to do this properly but we seem to have stuff coming down the pike at us already and not even in office yet, at least those of us who are new to the board/positions. Anyway, a warm pre-welcome to all of you, be sure you have your asbestos suits ready. With the sudden flurry over the .com situation, I've not got time to polish this up as properly as I intended so please forgive any *rough draft* appearance. I look forward to working with all of you this coming year and hope we can truly work together, agreeing to disagree where necessary and treating each other with respect. I would like your thoughts, opinions, reactions, whatever, to the items below which are some of the things needed (in my opinion). You may reply to all but this is not for discussion, many of these are issues that will need to be discussed at length,openly, I am only looking for your preliminary feelings. You may also reply on all or any of the above to me privately and I will respect that privacy. I think we need three committees: 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make some real changes 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in regional/state/county level publicity. Parliamentary Procedure - which I referred to briefly in my initial administrative note. we have too often gotten hung up in or stalled with technicalities trying to apply rules for face-to-face meetings to online ongoing operations. What are our priorities? What is appropriate for Exec list and what is not? Anything else you have on your mind Holly From rkeason@tir.com Sat Aug 25 17:04:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27918 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28286 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (port160172.tnt1fnt.tir.com [216.40.160.172]) by atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA23136; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00da01c12da9$02c9ff40$aca028d8@hppav> From: "Ron Eason" To: , , , , , , , "Holly Timm" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825125611.00c9ed80@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: the vacant board seat Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:00:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Status: RO X-Status: Holly, Based solely on the past election, if the seat was not going to go to Don, which as far as I know was the next highest vote getter, then I would prefer that an election be held for that Region so that the CC's could decide. I think as long as we keep the CC's informed, in the loop, and at the forefront of our decisions, then we have done not only our jobs but, I would think, our best. I know there will always be heat from somewhere, but I can live with that as long as we can walk away knowing we did our best. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Holly Timm To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: the vacant board seat > Okay, this is just to the incoming board members and is private (do NOT > discuss it elsewhere) because at this point it is just an idea bit would > like your feedback on the thought. > > For background just in case you haven't been paying attention > > Ken Short, SW CC Representative, resigned (although the board has yet to > accept it officially, that is more a technical detail, not an issue). The > present NC and some board members have discussed filling the seat and the > issue has been public as well on the ALL list. I doubt they have sufficient > votes to make this lame duck appointment and assuming that, it will fall in > our laps to do so. > > Some say that Don Tharp should be appointed as second runner-up in the > recent election for the other SW CC Rep position. Others say that Ed Hayden > should be as he probably would have gotten the votes that went to Jana. My > own opinion on this is that we can not *know* who would have been second as > in the dual races, each CC had two votes, two choices to make and we can > not not know where the second choice for those who voted for Jana would > have gone (or for Roger for that matter). There are also others who may > have run for other races who would be eligible to fill the position. > > I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could > quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on > the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has > an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are > nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? > > Holly > > > > > > From rkeason@tir.com Sat Aug 25 17:18:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28752 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.179]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29706 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (port160172.tnt1fnt.tir.com [216.40.160.172]) by atlantic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13710; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e201c12daa$eda9c120$aca028d8@hppav> From: "Ron Eason" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Holly Timm" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825133616.00bb6ac0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: pre-welcome Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:14:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Status: RO X-Status: > > I think we need three committees: > 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make > some real changes *** Agreed. This should be #1 > 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and > somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been > any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a > standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. ***Agreed. There are plenty of areas that need defining. > 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and > manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in > regional/state/county level publicity. > ***Agreed I think there has been too much riding on just word of mouth and we need positive promotion at every level. > Parliamentary Procedure - which I referred to briefly in my initial > administrative note. we have too often gotten hung up in or stalled with > technicalities trying to apply rules for face-to-face meetings to online > ongoing operations. > ***Agreed. In other areas we learned early that trying to rely specifically on Mr. Roberts was tantamount to just throwing a wrench into the whole works, because Roberts never attended a virtual meeting. Roberts Rules were merely used as a quide when there were real problems. BUT, we had and do have a very good personal working relationship with each other and there was much call to use the book. > What are our priorities? > **** I think as outlined above is a very good start. > What is appropriate for Exec list and what is not? > **** I think that Exec. should be used for nothing but actual situations that are of a personal nature. I think that we need to bring the Project out of the darkness and try to gain a little respectability back to the Offices we hold. > Anything else you have on your mind *** What's for lunch?? Ron From kheidel@tri.net Sat Aug 25 20:38:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11960 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tri.net (qmail.tri.net [205.153.244.4]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20702 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17088 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2001 00:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a8a0) (205.153.244.142) by qmail.tri.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2001 00:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c12dc7$6715ac60$8ef499cd@n3a8a0> From: "Kathy Heidel" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Holly Timm" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825133616.00bb6ac0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: pre-welcome Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:38:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Status: RO X-Status: I wear Nomax Personally I believe all three are really important. Do we have to do these one at a time or can several committees have a go at it at the same time? I feel as though we need to tackle the Domain problem pronto. Doc has not given us much time. If we have to raise money for that then we need to start working on it. Kathy : : I think we need three committees: : 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make : some real changes : 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and : somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been : any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a : standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. : 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and : manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in : regional/state/county level publicity. : : Parliamentary Procedure - which I referred to briefly in my initial : administrative note. we have too often gotten hung up in or stalled with : technicalities trying to apply rules for face-to-face meetings to online : ongoing operations. : : What are our priorities? : : What is appropriate for Exec list and what is not? : : Anything else you have on your mind : : Holly : : : From janab@websweweave.net Sun Aug 26 01:44:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA01766 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.18]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22287 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip ([24.19.156.142]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010826054446.PPTH11524.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@slip>; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:44:46 -0700 From: "Jana Black" To: "Holly Timm" , , , , , , , , Subject: RE: the vacant board seat Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825125611.00c9ed80@mail.bright.net> Status: RO X-Status: Hi Holly, I agree with you. Jana -----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm [mailto:hollyft@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 11:13 AM To: merope@radix.net; kheidel@tri.net; janab@slip.net; tngibson@att.net; nate@gte.net; bremerr@oclc.org; MHet703234@aol.com; rkeason@tir.com Subject: the vacant board seat Okay, this is just to the incoming board members and is private (do NOT discuss it elsewhere) because at this point it is just an idea bit would like your feedback on the thought. For background just in case you haven't been paying attention Ken Short, SW CC Representative, resigned (although the board has yet to accept it officially, that is more a technical detail, not an issue). The present NC and some board members have discussed filling the seat and the issue has been public as well on the ALL list. I doubt they have sufficient votes to make this lame duck appointment and assuming that, it will fall in our laps to do so. Some say that Don Tharp should be appointed as second runner-up in the recent election for the other SW CC Rep position. Others say that Ed Hayden should be as he probably would have gotten the votes that went to Jana. My own opinion on this is that we can not *know* who would have been second as in the dual races, each CC had two votes, two choices to make and we can not not know where the second choice for those who voted for Jana would have gone (or for Roger for that matter). There are also others who may have run for other races who would be eligible to fill the position. I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? Holly From bremerr@oclc.org Sun Aug 26 10:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04808 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mshieldserver1 (mailhost.oclc.org [132.174.29.209]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11939 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM oa1-server.oa.oclc.org BY mshieldserver1 ; Sun Aug 26 10:57:49 2001 -0400 Received: by oa1-server.oa.oclc.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bremer,Robert" To: "'Holly Timm'" , merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, "Bremer,Robert" , MHet703234@aol.com, rkeason@tir.com Subject: RE: the vacant board seat Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:57:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Status: RO X-Status: Holly, a regional election for the open position would a fair solution. However, I think it does need to be turned around in a short period of time rather than becoming a long drawn out process. -----Original Message----- From: Holly Timm [mailto:hollyft@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 2:13 PM To: merope@radix.net; kheidel@tri.net; janab@slip.net; tngibson@att.net; nate@gte.net; bremerr@oclc.org; MHet703234@aol.com; rkeason@tir.com Subject: the vacant board seat Okay, this is just to the incoming board members and is private (do NOT discuss it elsewhere) because at this point it is just an idea bit would like your feedback on the thought. For background just in case you haven't been paying attention Ken Short, SW CC Representative, resigned (although the board has yet to accept it officially, that is more a technical detail, not an issue). The present NC and some board members have discussed filling the seat and the issue has been public as well on the ALL list. I doubt they have sufficient votes to make this lame duck appointment and assuming that, it will fall in our laps to do so. Some say that Don Tharp should be appointed as second runner-up in the recent election for the other SW CC Rep position. Others say that Ed Hayden should be as he probably would have gotten the votes that went to Jana. My own opinion on this is that we can not *know* who would have been second as in the dual races, each CC had two votes, two choices to make and we can not not know where the second choice for those who voted for Jana would have gone (or for Roger for that matter). There are also others who may have run for other races who would be eligible to fill the position. I have asked Linda Haas Davenport, chairperson of the EC, and they could quickly mount a regional election for the seat which has a year to run on the term. It is my opinion that the fairest way to fill a seat (which has an entire year on the term) is to hold an election between any who are nominated (and accept of course). What is your opinion please? Holly From bremerr@oclc.org Sun Aug 26 11:57:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08244 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mshieldserver1 (mailhost.oclc.org [132.174.29.209]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17190 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM oa1-server.oa.oclc.org BY mshieldserver1 ; Sun Aug 26 11:57:16 2001 -0400 Received: by oa1-server.oa.oclc.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bremer,Robert" To: "'Holly Timm'" , merope@radix.net, kheidel@tri.net, janab@slip.net, tngibson@att.net, nate@gte.net, "Bremer,Robert" , MHet703234@aol.com, rkeason@tir.com, betsym@1starnet.com, TVick65536@aol.com, tstowell@chattanooga.net, pamreid@home.com, IsaiahHarrison@cs.com, ky.quest@gte.net Subject: RE: pre-welcome Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:57:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Status: RO X-Status: My comments are interspersed below: I think we need three committees: 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make some real changes ***I agree. 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. ***I agree. I had a number of emails from new CCs in particular that were looking for help (and not necessarily getting it from their state) with what to put on their web pages. This goes beyond guidelines, but suggestions for page content, examples of HTML coding of forms for online input of information directly to county web pages, etc. on a CC help site would give a good many CCs some confidence that the board is on their side and considers what they do to be important. A mentoring program that would pair up a volunteer, experienced CC with a new CC looking for help should be considered as well. 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in regional/state/county level publicity. ***I agree and will add that the publicity needs to be focused primarily on the state and county projects rather than the special projects. Parliamentary Procedure - which I referred to briefly in my initial administrative note. we have too often gotten hung up in or stalled with technicalities trying to apply rules for face-to-face meetings to online ongoing operations. ***We need to do whatever works and is fair. Use of technicalities to forestall action is just as bad as railroading an action. What are our priorities? ***Simply put, we should be working to promote and facilitate the work of the CCs of this organization. The committees you outlined are a start. What is appropriate for Exec list and what is not? ***Only grievances and personnel matters in the strictest sense. I agree with Terri Pettit's recent public comments that matters which begin as a question from a particular SC or CC that are going to result in policy ought to be discussed on Board-L without bringing the names of the parties into it. Robert Bremer bremerr@oclc.org From kheidel@tri.net Tue Aug 28 22:29:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09806 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tri.net (qmail.tri.net [205.153.244.4]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03835 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14492 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2001 02:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a8a0) (205.153.244.145) by qmail.tri.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 02:29:14 -0000 Message-ID: <00eb01c13032$5d69d700$9ff499cd@n3a8a0> From: "Kathy Heidel" To: "Holly Timm" Cc: "Teresa" Subject: Hello Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:29:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Status: RO X-Status: A I am heading out to Tulsa for a couple of day's for Sewing Classes tomorrow afternoon. But I love Alice's idea about the Newsletter, is there a way this can be incorporated in to the Project and have Alice be in charge or will it take an act of Congress? I truly believe this might work especially if the SC's and CC's will be able to send in stories and etc.? I have seen more positive input these past couple of days than for a long, long time. Hope it will continue. You all be good, I forgot to tell ya, might get to meet Linda H-D. Looking forward to Saturday. Kathy "I was cut out to be rich.....but I was sewn up wrong!" Kathy Welch Heidel - mailto:kheidel@tri.net South Dakota, West ASC ~ USGWP USGenWeb Project County Coordinator for KS & MO KS Civil War, KS Native American NW/PLAINS AB CC REP From hollyft@bright.net Wed Aug 29 07:20:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA07042 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11507 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.22]) by lateralus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010829112021.CZZM333.lateralus@pooh.bright.net>; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:20:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010829065305.00c821b0@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:13:54 -0500 To: "Kathy Heidel" From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Hello Cc: merope@radix.net In-Reply-To: <00eb01c13032$5d69d700$9ff499cd@n3a8a0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A I already had a newsletter idea penciled in on my list of things ... perhaps for the Publicity/Promotion committee to consider. I'll write Alice later asking her what sort of form she things the group would take and review what has been said on the ALL list as well but I think perhaps some sort of group or team with a board member liaison. At 09:29 PM 8/28/01 -0500, you wrote: >I am heading out to Tulsa for a couple of day's for Sewing Classes tomorrow >afternoon. But I love Alice's idea about the Newsletter, is there a way this >can be incorporated in to the Project and have Alice be in charge or will it >take an act of Congress? I truly believe this might work especially if the >SC's and CC's will be able to send in stories and etc.? I have seen more >positive input these past couple of days than for a long, long time. Hope it >will continue. >You all be good, I forgot to tell ya, might get to meet Linda H-D. Looking >forward to Saturday. >Kathy > >"I was cut out to be rich.....but I was sewn up wrong!" >Kathy Welch Heidel - mailto:kheidel@tri.net >South Dakota, West ASC ~ USGWP >USGenWeb Project >County Coordinator for KS & MO >KS Civil War, KS Native American >NW/PLAINS AB CC REP From hollyft@bright.net Wed Aug 29 07:39:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04513 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14107 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pooh.bright.net ([209.143.46.22]) by tiberius.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010829113948.DCPP29133.tiberius@pooh.bright.net>; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:39:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010829074930.00c95d30@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: hollyft@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 07:52:16 -0500 To: merope From: Holly Timm Subject: Re: Hello Cc: Kathy Heidel In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010829065305.00c821b0@mail.bright.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-Status: A At 07:32 AM 8/29/01 -0400, merope wrote: >Alice has said she'd serve as editor, and a Board liaison is certainly a >great idea, but I would prefer it if the Board does not exercise >"editorial control". If fact, it shouldn't even be called the "Board >Report" or whatever Alice suggested, but propably something with >"USGenWeb" in the title, The USGenWeb Town Crier, maybe? correct on the not being called the Board Report... the Board report should just be a feature or column.. as to editorial control, if I recall correctly most of what was being said on the list was to avoid editorializing at all. >That way it can expand beyond being just a "Board report" and cover other >stuff, like the "research tool of the month", highlighted USGW pages, etc. >If people can get involved as contributors, guest columnists, etc, it >might encourage more participation in other areas as well. yep and I am off to work Holly From ky.quest@gte.net Fri Aug 31 08:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA02575 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp002pub.verizon.net (smtp002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.181]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA19786 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion (chcgil2-ar2-129-239.chcgil2.dsl.gtei.net [4.40.129.239]) by smtp002pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id f7VC0sI26737 Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:00:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004801c131f2$8c303220$0301a8c0@vz.dsl.genuity.net> From: "Diane Parsons" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Holly Timm" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010825133616.00bb6ac0@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: pre-welcome Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 07:57:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Status: RO X-Status: Holly, Realize I am very later in responding here ! Sorry about that. 1) Bylaws- both to clarify some points that are muddy and to perhaps make some real changes ### AGREED, seems to be very much needed 2) Guidelines - our guidelines (suggested as well as required) are old and somewhat outdated, the internet changes quickly and there have never been any in place really for SC's or interaction between CC and SC. Possibly a standing committee or morphing into one that mentors. ##### AGREED, we are sadly lacking in these areas 3) Publicity/promotion - probably a standing committee to both plan and manage project wide publicity and to assist SC and CC's in regional/state/county level publicity. ##### AGREED Anything else you have on your mind ##### I believe we should be meeting for " virtual meetings" on a more regular basics. I have heard that we have a Mirc chat room, but have never received "official" notice and information on how to participate. Maybe I am the only one that is in the dark about this ? Diane Montgomery Parsons